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Old 12-06-2002, 04:34 PM   #211  
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Am still here, but today I am eating for Scotland, am going to end up with a very lean week next week if I keep eating points like this all weekend.

Spent all day moving PCs which must count for something and tomorrow I get to start moving them all into there new homes, once the electricians have got all the desks wired up.

Busy busy busy.

Sean was sick again this morning the poor wee soul isn't very well at all at the moment, the only consolation is that appears to be a lot of it going around at the moment. At least now he has the weekend to sleep it out of his system.

Need to work all weekend - worst luck.

Any other WW watchers out there, what do you think of the new strategy ? Don't want to post my thoughts yet as I know TQ goes tomorrow morning

Ray has gone for a takeaway - I will need to work hard to burn off these extra cals

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Old 12-06-2002, 05:16 PM   #212  
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Ayup all<

I have been so busy this week as I am sure we all have, food has not been top of the list, lets hope tomorrows weigh in proves this!!!!
Just about got the prezzies sorted, cards yet to write/post, no oven so cakes not even thought bout!!
Going to France tomorrow, in laws here to look after h, we are staying overnight, looking forward to it, but could do without it if you know what I mean!! Xmas will come wether i am ready or not so am trying to enjoy it!! Got a dress from matalan for £8 and am really thrilled with it!!!!!! i will P-A-R-T-Y in it this Xmas and all that jazz!!
Keep up the good work!!
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Old 12-07-2002, 01:32 AM   #213  
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Me again!! have been up since 5am, dunno if I am excited about the trip to France or what but I am wide awake. I have cleaned the kitchen and am about to iron. No doubt I will be flagging later.

Carol- spoke to my friend last night who goes to ww and she said they had to sing simply the best and rock around the clock at her meeting this week due to the launch of their new time to eat, diet. Just sounds like more money making sales ploys to me, ever the cynic!! so scales are back and after all that toss em out stuff over the last 2 years....says she who will buy em in a weak moment thinking they are what I ned to make me lose weight!! Lets hope not!!

Well better get off and get ironing, have a great weekend folks!!
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We didn't sing but we had to cheer !!!!!!!!!!!!! Think it is just a money spinning re-launch of pure points under a different name. With a few subtle changes.

Was dicussing it with a friend who goes to a different class from me and we decided that they have implemented it now at their quietest time so that the leaders can get used to it and then in January when the advertising campaign starts, every one will look like they know what we are doing. My friends leader has been doing the quick to kick for a fortnight and has lost 11lbs - what she didn't tell her class was that she had gained 7 of those, whilst on holiday the week before - so yes she losts them, but they would have been water weight. (friend helps out at the class - that's how she knew about the gain)

And the price is going up in January to £4.75

Have finished moaning, have a great time in France, I'm off to work
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Old 12-07-2002, 09:21 AM   #215  
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I rejoined WW about two weeks ago with a work colleague. She spends most of her time at work browsing the WW site, so told me last week that the price was going up in January and also the new slogan. Personally I just think it's a marketing play to sell more WW branded stuff. Did you know those wonder scales are about £35!!!!

Interesting article the other day in the Mail, the author of Fat is a Feminist Issue (Susie Orbach?) and a few others are planning to sue WW. If anyone's interested, I'll type the article out in full and post.

Apparently you'll receive literature or something every week as opposed to the old system where you got nothing after week 10.
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Old 12-07-2002, 02:15 PM   #216  
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Gail had a round leaflet all about pancake day with her on Tuesday. She said we would get something every week from now on, with a bigger item the first week in the month.

Everything Gail was talking about was expensive, the scales that point the food for you, the database, nothign for those on a budget here.

Will just need to give it a go and see how I get on.

Think I have forgotten what points are and how to count to 24 this week

Am very tired - again - is my danger time - eat more when I am tired.
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Old 12-07-2002, 06:03 PM   #217  
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BigPhatBooty - I'd be interested in the article that you spoke about.

Smiling Sal - Everything Gail was talking about was expensive, the scales that point the food for you, the database, nothign for those on a budget here.

hmmm I was thinking of joining after xmas. Am on a tight budget which is why I haven't joined before.
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Old 12-07-2002, 07:56 PM   #218  
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Leigh,

I don't know whether you like the sound of the eating plan for slimming world, but if you're on a budget then you might want to consider it as it's a little cheaper.

At the moment it costs £3.75 a week, and there are always offers on when you join. Either it's the full £10 to join, but your first class free, or you have to pay for the first class, but the joining fee is half price at £5.

After that there are things you could spend your money on (their own muesli type bars, recipe books) but all you actually need is a set of regular kitchen scales.

Anyway you can find out more at their website http://www.slimming-world.co.uk or feel free to ask me. I know I sound like I'm on comission, but I promise you I'm not!

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Old 12-08-2002, 01:59 AM   #219  
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TQ.are you returned from France yet laden with all sized bottles of wonderful stuff?

Am I being extra thick this morning? I know dawn has not cracked yet but I could not sleep.....but did I read that ww had a sheet about pancake day, last week???????It's not FLIPPIN' Christmas here yet,let alone Shrove Tuesday. I know we can get easter eggs usually on Boxing day but this really does take the biscuit!! or the pudding,as I prefer.What does everyone else think!!
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Old 12-08-2002, 02:40 AM   #220  
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Leigh if you just go to meetigs and don't buy all the WW stuff you'd be fine. I only buy the WW caramint sweets as I have become addicted to them. I don't buy their expensive chocolate bars, cook books, pedometers, etc. and now scales. I just make do with m own things and it is working for me, albeit slowly.

Mini Gems slimming world sounds, good I know you do red and green days. And again I know a woman who has lost a lot of weight following that plan.

Ate far too much last night, but then today is a new day and I have to make it my back to plan day. Am off to try and point out what I will be eating for the day.

Am hoping all the additional exercise this week will keep my weight steady and not show too much of a gain this week - no harm in wishful thinking
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Old 12-08-2002, 06:58 AM   #221  
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Default article as promised...bit long

I rejoined WW for the 4th time 3 weeks ago and the colleague I joined with showed me this article on Friday 6th December. Just want to see what everyone else thinks.


Daily Mail - Thursday 5th December
Why I believe Fergie’s diet only make you fatter by Susie Orbach (Author of Fat Is A Feminist Issue)


With its beguiling “before” and “after” photos of weight-loss triumph, the commercial diet industry has traded for too long on our modern obsession with our weight.

Over the years, we’ve been urged to eat less fat, then to eat more fat; to eat more carbohydrates, the to eat no carbohydrates at all.

Diet plans come and go, and with them the happiness and emotional well-being of the millions of people who are sucked into the weight-loss dream.

Now it’s time to make a stand. I have convened a lobbying group, AnyBody, to campaign against the body hatred that is now so endemic to our society.

We’re attacking this problem on many different fronts, one of which is a planned legal action against the diet industry giant Weight Watchers.

We intend to represent thousands of women and men who have paid out many hundreds of pounds to Weight Watchers, only to find that they have ended up fatter than before they embarked on its’ laborious programme of counting “points” and weekly weigh-ins.

I know we will face criticism for even contemplating court action. Critics will argue that this is the compensation culture gone crazy and that those who fail to lose weight have only themselves to blame, because they are greedy people, lacing in will power, whose weight gain has more to do with their predilection for junk food than any flaws in the Weight Watchers’ system.

But the reality is very different. There is sound scientific evidence that suggest that the whole concept of dieting is fundamentally flawed.

Our campaign is not to make loads of money but to challenge the ideas of Weight Watchers and other organisation that are as questionable and even potentially harmful.

I want to make it clear that my quarrel has never been with the concept of weight loss.

Obesity is a serious problem. Government figures suggest that more than half of women and tow-thirds of men in Britain are over-weight or obese.

Our children are affected, too: one-third of all girls aged 11 are overweight and 20% of all 11 year old boys are overweight.

These figures are disturbing and the problem requires solutions that work.

I first crossed swords with Weight Watchers in a TV debate in the early Eighties. My book, Fat Is A Feminist Issue, had raised the hackles of the diet industry by arguing that diet plans simply don’t work.

They give us an external structure of rules and regulations that make us feel temporarily safe but fail to look at what I regard as the real problem: why people eat when they are not hungry.

After a robust debate, I spoke to Weight Watchers’ then chief executive in Britain, an American. She told me that one of the biggest problems confronting Weight Watchers was recidivism - people who followed the diets and then went back to their “bad” eating habits.

She seemed genuinely concerned and told me that they were working with psychologists to confront these problems.

Since then, Weight Watchers has become a multi-million-pound business, and I don’t believe it is the very “problems” of recidivism that has made Weight Watchers its fortune. For those who feel they are overweight, Weight Watchers offers what seems to be the perfect solution: you can lose weight while still eating your favourite foods, albeit in smaller portions.

Food and drinks are given “points” depending on their saturated fat and calorie content. Members are given a maximum number of points to stick to with the aim of losing between one and two pounds each week.

Some members opt for go-it-alone programmes at home but most attend group meetings run by a Weight Watchers leader.

They pay £9 to register and a weekly fee of £4.50 for the privilege of being weighed in public and attending a discussion on weight loss, although I believe a big money spinner for Weight Watchers is in the sale of pre-packaged diet foods.

It’s certainly true that people do lose weight with Weight Watchers. The problem is that they quickly put it back on again. The reason is simple: our bodies are simply not designed to diet.

Our metabolisms have what scientist call a “set point” - something like a thermostat in a central heating system.

When we gorge ourselves at Christmas, our metabolisms speed up to burn off the excess food. But when we reduce our intake, as when we go on a diet, our bodies go into survival mode, slowing down our metabolisms.

If we continually diet, our body thermostat eventually fails to rest itself once we begin eating normally again. Our metabolisms continue to operate at the slower rate and we start to regain weight.

This leads to the “yo-yo effect” - a vicious cycle of weight-gain and weight loss.

If the plans actually worked, members would have to sign up only once.

Instead, they find themselves returning to its products and promises time and time again.

This leads to huge profits for the diet companies. During the Nineties, American consumers spent more than the annual government budgets for education, health and welfare combined. I believe that the real solution is to re-educate our bodies and minds to eat only when we are hungry. It suits the diet industry far better to convince us that we need their programmes.

There is no doubt that they have a captive market - psychologically prepared for them by the media, fashion and advertising industries who constantly bombard us with photographs of slim and beautiful young women.

They create a vulnerability in all of us that enables organisation such as Weight Watchers to make millions.

For Weight Watchers it’s a win-win situation. The relatively few people who do not lose weight permanently can be claimed as a victory and photographed for publicity purposes.

The rest will continue to buy their products - blaming their failure on their own lack of will power and putting their trust back into an organisation that has failed them in the first place.
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Old 12-08-2002, 07:19 AM   #222  
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BigPhatBooty - ty for typing all that out. It was a good read.

Smiling Sal - ty for your suggestions. But am still concerned about the cost of attending each wk to ww.

Mini Gem - ty for that am off to have a look at Slimming World.
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Old 12-08-2002, 04:41 PM   #223  
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Leigh it does work out expensive. I haven't been able to afford to go for a long time. Ray was working at a very low paid job and we were struggling to survive. When Rays current contract comes to an end WW will be the first thing to go. It has helped me to focus for the last few weeks, but I know I will get to a stage where I am just wasting my money by going as I'm not following any of the stuff and I will just jack it in, yet again and spend the money on something more worthwhile.

BPB - Thanks for typing all that. A lot of it rang true, between WW, Scottish Slimmers and Camelon Slimming (local club) I reckon I have joined and rejoined about 8 or 9 times. Each time being heavier than I was when I left the last time.

Just think of all that wasted money and effort.

I know I struggle with my metabolism. I don't think mine speeds up to cope with the additional food at Christmas and that is where my problem comes from. Over every Christmas / New Year holiday for the last 14 or so years, I have gained half a stone, on a good year. Usually if I'm honest it is more like 10lbs to a stone and then I struggle during Jan to Mar to lose it and then gain it all back before the schools finish at the end of June, usually all gained back long before that. And then I gain steadily until about October when I get an attack of the guilts, thinking, I weigh so much now so after Christmas when I've eaten everything I want over the holidays I will weigh XX stones.

I remember watching some documentary a few years ago about a group of 'laddos' and one said he would sleep with any woman as long as she was under 12 stone and I was so proud of the fact that he would sleep with me. (Not that I would sleep with him, he was hideous, but I was that proud that I fell within his 'sexy' weight limit, even if I was on the very top of it) That thought has been going round my head a lot recently, not sure why.

I am hoping Ray will get kept on at work until the end of April, if not longer. Because if I am not fed up with it by then and jacked it all in myself, I'll have stepped in to my starting to regain weight cycle. I really want to do this. I want to be sitting here next year telling you all that I have gone out and brought my size 12 dress and the 'just-in-case' outfit which will be all fitted and stunning. I don't want to be hunting out those shops which do size 22's. Am fed up with being a size 22, but don't want to be a 24 - you know what I mean.

I think I have the mindset this time. I do line the WW fat cats pockets with my membership money every week, but I don't buy their brand stuff. Am afraid I see the £35.00 scales that point your food for you as the height of nosense. I can weigh out the chicken and look in a book for the points value, why do I need a machine or a database to do it for me.

All the goodies are the same, the cereal bars are nice and are only 2.5 points, but the jordan ones I brought are nicer, bigger and better value for money and points at only 2 points each.

I could go on for ever. I shouldn't have read the article. it will be interesting to see if they do manage to being a court case against WW. I would be an ideal example I must have weighed just over 11 stone when I first joined a slimming class and here I am several years later, weighing in at 16 stone 7lbs, when I re joined, 10 weeks ago.

Am going to copy this into my journal. Am too lazy to write any more.

Am just back in from work. The office is moved, half the people won't be able to log in tomorrow as I had to rob peter to pay paul to have enough network points for the top floor, but the bit I stole them from will have noone working at it tomorrow, so I should have a chance to find a more permanent way around it then

Am very tired, am going to have a cheese sandwich, a packet of salt and vinegar crisps, couple of glasses of wine and then off to bed.
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Old 12-08-2002, 04:50 PM   #224  
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Some one notice I have been losing weight

Isabelle will be getting all her computer problems fixed first from now on.

Was so chuffed that some one noticed
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ya hoooo!!! it is great isn't it when folk start to comment on how well you are looking.....And SmilingSal...YOU ARE DOING GREAT!!!!
I think it is down to you racing hither and thither getting all your family sorted and ready for Christmas...look! I caught a snap shot of you in the high street the other day!
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