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Old 08-22-2006, 05:12 AM   #286  
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Oh - just noticed - do you live in Lewisham? I was brought up in New Cross Gate and went to school in Greenwich. I used to go bowling in Lewisham - and the cinema - and clubbing .... swimming at Ladywell baths .... OMG - memories!
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Old 08-22-2006, 05:14 AM   #287  
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Eeew that's gross! I hope she gave the guy a good slap!
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Frus - make the most of the guilt trip - maybe get him to do some hoovering... polishing... how about window cleaning????
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Old 08-22-2006, 05:15 AM   #289  
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No, she didn't know what had happened until she got to work and we pointed out the.... evidence... on the back of her skirt.
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Old 08-22-2006, 05:16 AM   #290  
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I don't think I should push my luck!

Bank holiday weekend is designated tidying weekend - I can't see my chest of drawers for all the clothes spilling out of them and piled up on top of them!! Oh and DF has agreed to ride b!tch at the bank holiday! Wonders will never cease!
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Frus - I'm so sorry about your family situation. I'm sure that it will straighten itself out

Helen - hope your legs recovered in time for your run today. I get really irritated with people commenting on my weight loss/exercise. My boss keeps telling me I'm doing too much exercise and advises me not to cycle into work or run in the 5K - this from someone who does no exercise! It astounds me that people think they have the right to comment about such things. Family always will, but strangers or aquaintances should know better. OK rant over!

Sarah - sorry about your teeth Disgusting perv, I hope someone has caught him and smacked him by now

I'm bored out of my brain at work today
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Old 08-22-2006, 06:19 AM   #292  
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I've not been told not to exercise yet, but people do ask me "WHY?" A lot!

What kind of bike saddle did you get? I'm looking at some on e-bay with a notch out of the back...
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Old 08-22-2006, 06:47 AM   #293  
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Hello all, not been posting have I??? But I have been lurking!

I'm doing well, I'm working hard on my exercise again, and sorting my food out. I've decided that I work best on 3 good meals a day, I can't do the several small meals or I over eat. So I am planning for 500 calories each meal, which works well so far! I've not weighed since June LOL!
One day I'll weigh in, but not for a while yet!

I'm looking at eBay for a frock to wear to my Christmas do, thought I'd get in early!
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Old 08-22-2006, 06:51 AM   #294  
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Oooh I have some more frocks that you might like I'm thinking of ebaying them too! They're not ballgowns though!
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Old 08-22-2006, 07:20 AM   #295  
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Sarah Ann- Firstly, you are spoiling your dentist!! I bet he had a cocktail or three on you!!

Secondly, no not a lewishamite. My friend lives in Lee. I used to live in East Dulwich and also around Nunhead. My bruv used to lodge in New Cross and I have fond memories of the (is it?) Rosemary branch pub and a kebab place called Kevmo burger which did lovely falafels. Mmmm.

Eww about the skirt! I got on tube with a friend once and could not understand why the bloke opposite kept staring at us behind dark glasses. He was sitting with his legs wide and then I realised when my friend bellowed out "That poor man doesn't realise he has no underwear on"!

Yeah right! Dark glasses so he can see our reaction but we cannot look at him. Honest you could see everything. He must have spent ages in front of the mirror! Trust my gormless friend to blab it out!

I noticed when he got off the train he did not 'put it back in' but put his bag in front of him to hide it!
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Old 08-22-2006, 07:25 AM   #296  
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Actually apart from that one time I haven't noticed or been on the receiving end of pervs - unlike when I was a school girl and old pervs would come right up very close and be humming a tune (?The dirty old man song???!!) and put there hand on mine. Ewww! I was really shy then and just moved away quick, but now of course it would be a different matter. Yeuch!
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Old 08-22-2006, 07:53 AM   #297  
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Frus - you shouldn't ask me about saddles - I have read an awful lot about them and I can't stop myself from informing anyone who asks. I apologise in advance!

I'm now on saddle no. 5. Women have problems with saddles, they seem to be specifically designed to injure the soft genital tissue we have . If you ride an upright bike, like a mountain or hybrid bike, you would probably never have this problem, but a road bike with its low aero bars means that you will be leaning on these parts and with the movement of your legs and bumps in the road you can often rub yourself raw If this is something that happens with your saddle, it should just go in the bin (or ebay!). You can do things to reduce rubbing, such as no pants or things with central seams, and some ladies swear by lubrication. Because I ride for 30 mins each way at quite a good speed and get very sweaty, I take a change of clothes with me so I can use padded cycle shorts with the no underwear solution I do have nightmares about leaving my pants at work though! It is recommended that the saddle be kept absolutely level, but women often find it more comfortable to tilt it slightly forward to relieve pressure on the nose. The problem with this is that you put more weight on your hands and this can cause shoulder and lower-back pain.

The other type of pain is pain in the sit bones. Anyone new to cycling, or who cycles only once every couple of weeks will get pain in the sit bones. Once you have been doing it for a while it will get better. However, that doesn't nessesarily mean that the saddle you have is right for you. Womens' sit bones are further apart than mens so they often need wider saddles. The sit bones should be resting on the saddle, not either side of it, if that is the case the saddle is too narrow. A firmer saddle is also better long term. If you only use the bike once a week for a 2-3 mile trip into town a big squishy saddle will be fine. But a squishy saddle means that you will be putting pressure not only on the sit bones, but on all the soft tissue around it, which can be very uncomfortable on a longer ride or if cycling every day. A saddle with a wide nose can also mean that you rub your thighs against it which is also pretty unpleasant on a long ride. Like mattresses, firm is sometimes better.

The problem is that all women are different so there is no telling which saddle will work for you. Some women have very wide sit bones, and some have narrow sit bones and therefore find mens' saddles more comfortable. Some good bike shops will let you try out saddles before you buy, but the range of womens saddles will often be pathetically small. Better makes of saddles often come with a money back guarantee if you don't like them. I've given a description of the saddles I've used below, but as you'll see, some of the ones that I have hated, have come very recommended by other women, so you will probably have to try saddles out for yourself.


First saddle was the Bontrager mens one that came with the bike. Very bad. Within 3 weeks I had bought a new one.

Second was a specialized women's mountain-biking one (about £20 - only one in the local bike shop). I used that for about a year but never found it comfortable either on the sit bones or the nose.

Third was really funny shaped one called a Selle SMP TRK Ladies (about £20) with a very large hole in the middle and a very dipped nose. This was recommened and much loved by a large number of ladies on the team estrogen womens cycling forum. However I found the hole very uncomfortable, the pressure on either side of the hole was too much for me and I only used it for 3 rides.

Fourth was a Brooks B17 Ladies (around £35), the ultimate touring saddle, again recommended by a large number of cyclists. Really tough, strong leather that will be often be very uncomfortable at first, but over time it will mould to fit the contours of your behind and be incredibly comfortable. If looked after (can't be left in the rain and needs "proofhiding") it should last for a very long time/for ever. Unfortunately it was also the most uncomfortable saddle I have ever owned. I can put up with a bit of pain round the sit-bones and it wasn't too bad here, but the nose... Lets just say it wasn't good. It was also incredibly slippery which gave me shoulder pain as I had to use my arms a lot to keep myself on the saddle.

Finally I have gone for a Terry Butterfly (£75) my most expensive saddle, but the one that seems to work. It has a hole, but not too large. The saddle has a bit of padding and has a wide rear, but not wide in the middle or nose so that it doesn't rub my inner thighs. No rubbing on the nose, but there is still some pressure when I ride in the drop position. Not supposed to last forever, as the soft foamy stuff gets compressed with time, but I'm happy for now. I've still got a little pain around the sit bones, but I've only had it for about a week, so my bottom has to get used to the different design. However it is already getting better in this area.

Hope this helps (and that you'll forgive me for the length of the reply!)

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Old 08-22-2006, 08:26 AM   #298  
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That's alright, that's just what I was after!

My Dad's saddle is surprisingly tipped backwards and I am blistered from just a mile!!! I'm surprised at the difference in feeling of riding the road bike - balance/posture/ease of pedalling. It's wierd how lowering and narrowing the handlebars can change the whole experience!

I'm looking at cyclexpress to see what they have. ebay was a bit lame!
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Old 08-22-2006, 08:31 AM   #299  
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I see they have a butterfly for £25 and also the "leather and titanium" version for £75! I think that's more than the bike's worth! I'll settle for the nylon and chrome version!
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I just want a frock, not a gown! So you might be my woman!

I am bidding on one that I saw in Oasis marked down to £20, but they have sold out of size 16, but this one is going into silly money territory, so time for me to back away and find another dress to love!
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