This thread is hard to search. I have done it several times and can't actually locate it without doing a search. anywho.
I remember when i first came on here with fast5. boy did i receive alot of negativity, but then a couple of people jumped in. NOW there is a whole thread.
I am still breastfeeding, but i have PLENTY of fat stores so i'm jumping back in and doing IF, because it has worked for me in the past.
this morning i woke up (after several bf and nap sessions) at 12 pm and I didn't eat until 4:15 pm. I had a cup of tea with a tsp of honey. I remember JohnP's words about not breaking the fast. I felt really really good. Better than i have in a while. Then I ate at 4:15 pm and immediately began to get lethargic again. some of my choices were great and some not so great, but I WAS hungry. I like the way hunger makes me feel. Yet i was hungry without the I'm going to collapse feeling that dieting makes me feel.
so day one of IF completed. we will see what tomorrow brings.
I too enjoy the hungry feeling. I just keep sipping on my tea or water and I think of it as my little pet... I must keep it in check, can't just let it go running around causing chaos... Keep it leashed
Today, I'm glad to experience the freedom of IF because for the past two days I've gone above my usual caloric intake a total of 1300 calories, so I can call a 24-hour fast (starting 4 minutes ago) and not feel any angst over this!
I'm exhausted. I've not been sleeping well for a few nights. My mother's been commuting her stress on to me and it SUCKS! Wish I could quit her!
As my friend says, that which does not kill us makes our a$$es bigger.
I've been on a serious search this morning for information on eating plans while IFing. But haven't really found much on the topic.
I am interested in zig-zagging my calories quite a bit (i.e. 800 one day 1600 the next) and possibly doing nothing but blended fruit/veg smoothies on the low cal days to really pack in the nutrients. I feel like I either have a hard time getting my 1200 a day or I go over more than I'm comfortable. I also found myself running around the kitchen stuffing food in my face at 9:45pm so I could meet my calories in my given window. I have since moved my window up to 2-7 or 3-8pm. This works well for me since I don't eat after dinner. Now I just have to get the food thing in order.
Have any of you found that since starting IF you can't fit much in your gut when you finally do get to eat or that you really aren't that hungry? I am having trouble with this too. I literally spent 30 minutes figuring out what the very best choice at Panda Express( I know, it's bad, but I've been craving it) would be and when I went to eat it I got halfway through my 280 calorie Panda Bowl and wasn't hungry anymore. How in the heck am I supposed to get in 1200 calories in a 5 hour window when I can barely eat 280 in one sitting? I ended up forcing myself to eat it, knowing that dinner was another low calorie meal that I had spent a lot of time planning...
Anyway, I am looking for anything you all can through at me. I'm just trying to perfect this as much as possible now that I've got the fasting part down.
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I run a forum specifically on IF and I have read almost every thing on the topic. A couple of observations an 8 hour feeding window meaning 3 meals about 4 hours apart works very well for a majority of people long term. After 16 hours of fasting depending on your activity level gluconeogenesis ( breaking down protein to create glucose for your brain) becomes a bit high and you dont want to lose any muscle so a 16 hour fast close to ideal. Going for a walk or other low intensity exercise after hour 12 will accerate fat loss and especially help with any stubborn fat (usually around thighs and hips of women abdominal area for men)
You are in a overall calorie defecit under these conditions your protein requirements increase the RDA wont cut it any more so make sure you are getting enough protein this has many benefits
Last edited by Rick Raymond; 07-13-2011 at 11:51 AM.
@ Rick, THanks for your reply...This week and half of last week I'm running closer to a 20 hour fast. Is that bad? I'm moving toward a low carb, high protien higher fat feeding during my window. Do you have any experience with this? Is there anyway I can get the info on your IF forum?
@ Rick, THanks for your reply...This week and half of last week I'm running closer to a 20 hour fast. Is that bad? I'm moving toward a low carb, high protien higher fat feeding during my window. Do you have any experience with this? Is there anyway I can get the info on your IF forum?
Thanks
I wouldnt say its bad just that long term a shorter window will be more ideal as far as high protein higher fat yes I am familiar. In a lot of ways a lower carb intake achieves some of the things that the fast does. What works best for most people is having your low carb days with your biggest deficit and then having say 3 higher carb days per week. high carb days will help up regulate thyroid and leptin among other positive things to keep the diet working long term. I think I have to be around here for a while before I a can post a link but my forum is at intermittentfastingforums.com
Rick - please site your source for catabolism of muscle after 16 hours.
Even if accurate - the amount would be so minor it would be fairly irrelevant.
If you have read everything than I assume you're read Eat Stop Eat. I haven't read it but I understand Pilon references studies which show no loss of muscle at the 24 hour mark.
Goodluck with your forum. I think IF is going to be real big in the future.
John
I like a guy who looks at the source and I did say I could back what I said up so I asked for it. lol
I have a busy day I am leaving on a trip tomorrow but I will try to get the more through explanation up later with sources.
Rick - please site your source for catabolism of muscle after 16 hours.
Even if accurate - the amount would be so minor it would be fairly irrelevant.
If you have read everything than I assume you're read Eat Stop Eat. I haven't read it but I understand Pilon references studies which show no loss of muscle at the 24 hour mark.
Goodluck with your forum. I think IF is going to be real big in the future.
After 12-16 hours of fasting (1) Liver Glycogen is depleted at which point the brains requirement for glucose must be met by the glycerol portion of triglycerides and glycogenesis of your bodys protien. The glycerol accounts for about 20 grams per day. The remaining 80 grams comes from glycogenesis.(2,3) It takes roughly 2 grams of protien for the liver to produce 1 gram of glucose.(1) If you do the math that comes out to about 7 grams of protien per hour. For the last 4 hours of a 20 hour fast 28 grams. Doesnt seem too much except keep in mind that a pound of muscle on your body has water and other things included so its actually made up of 120 grams of protien. Every 5 days you break down 1 lb of muscle.
Now all that said you body will fight back When you have your first meal with adequate protein your body will rebuild some of that.
1 Fuel Metabolism in Starvation Annual Review of NutritionVol. 26: 1-22 (Volume publication date August 2006First published online as a Review in Advance on May 9, 2006DOI: 10.1146/annurev.nutr.26.061505.111258 George F. Cahill, Jr.*
2 Felig P. et. al. Blood glucose and gluconeogenesis in fasting man. Arch Intern Med (1969)
well, this is my third day of fast 7 I guess. I like a 7 hour eating window for now. I might raise it to 8 when i start waking up earlier or something. I don't know yet. So that means I am fasting for 17 hours. I still feel really good, and I am looking more defined. The way my stomach is slimming down, I am guessing my body is burning the fat for fuel. I am not losing weight yet though.
I am pretty sure my daily walks of pushing the 30 lb tandem stroller with my 10 lb son up and down hills for 2 miles, has built back some of the muscle I AM SURE i lost during my pregnancy and especially during my couch ridden days following my c-section. So I'm not sweating the NON weight loss.
just got to remember to grab the good foods when I break the fast.
Jendit
ultimately if some thing is working for you thats what matters and the switch over once liver glycogen is depleted is not like an on off switch either its a slow switch over. If you are losing inches in the areas you want to with out losing weight thats pretty ideal so just keep doing what you are doing. Thats body recomposition and its the holy grail of the dieting world.
Last edited by Rick Raymond; 07-13-2011 at 04:02 PM.
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