I didnt make excuses...your not listening..your the type of person who is like "so what you had it hard...overcome it right now!"not reality...your mind is extremely complex and can make or break you....How about this..How about we agree to disagree...you think everyone should react to things like you think they should...Its just not reality....I hope she gets better and I hope for the best...
I've had it hard, I had cancer. I had a boyfriend go overseas for a year and a half. And I'm not going to blame other people for it. His dad is mentally ill and blames everyone for his problems. He just sits there and feels sorry for himself and hates on everyone around him. And he only has himself to blame. I overcame my problems and didn't play the blame game, which is what she is doing.
She won't get better if she doesn't get help, and she looks like she isn't going to be getting any professional help any time soon. Just like my fiance's father won't get better because he doesn't think that he's ill, and he thinks he's right, and he'll live the rest of his life alone because he won't get help.
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But being understanding of the person and where they've come from is an admirable thing, no? That's what I was driving at - I agree she is likely going to damage 14 little lives and personalities but still do we need to judge, judge, judge (criticize) or somehow reach out in a positive way. By "we" I mean all of us and society in general.
Thats how the world is...and it stresses me out sometimes...We judge clothes, hair, feet, skin, socioeconomic status, and everything else...But for some reason we never judge ourselves...I feel sorry for her...in a empathetic way...I sometimes feel down at the way Americans react to eachother...I say Americans because this is where I live....
I've had it hard, I had cancer. I had a boyfriend go overseas for a year and a half. And I'm not going to blame other people for it. His dad is mentally ill and blames everyone for his problems. He just sits there and feels sorry for himself and hates on everyone around him. And he only has himself to blame. I overcame my problems and didn't play the blame game, which is what she is doing.
She won't get better if she doesn't get help, and she looks like she isn't going to be getting any professional help any time soon. Just like my fiance's father won't get better because he doesn't think that he's ill, and he thinks he's right, and he'll live the rest of his life alone because he won't get help.
Where maybe hes not ready to come to grips with it..If hes mentally ill he isnt thinking straight anyway....I couldnt imagine having problems like that...Not everyon eis you...and you cant expect them to react how you want them to....Thats kinda narrow mined...not to be mean...but you cant expect the world to do what you would do...its not fair...And what you see isnt always the truth in every case...Some can paint a pretty picture and show the real behind closed doors...
I've had it hard, I had cancer. I had a boyfriend go overseas for a year and a half. And I'm not going to blame other people for it. His dad is mentally ill and blames everyone for his problems. He just sits there and feels sorry for himself and hates on everyone around him. And he only has himself to blame. I overcame my problems and didn't play the blame game, which is what she is doing.
She won't get better if she doesn't get help, and she looks like she isn't going to be getting any professional help any time soon. Just like my fiance's father won't get better because he doesn't think that he's ill, and he thinks he's right, and he'll live the rest of his life alone because he won't get help.
But congrats on battling and overcoming cancer! I couldnt imagine that! I couldnt mentally do it and hope i never have to...thats awesome...
But being understanding of the person and where they've come from is an admirable thing, no? That's what I was driving at - I agree she is likely going to damage 14 little lives and personalities but still do we need to judge, judge, judge (criticize) or somehow reach out in a positive way. By "we" I mean all of us and society in general.
But from what I've heard and from what her parents have said, and what she's said.... she was lonely as a kid, as an only child, and didn't feel "loved" so she had tons of kids who would love her.
People have reached out to her. People give her free diapers, toys, etc, and she rejects it. She just turns around and gives it away. People have offered her free nanny and nurse help, and she fired them because she thought they were "spying." I already gave her the benefit of the doubt and I really did feel sorry for her and compassion, and her actions thus far have shown that she's really not worthy of my compassion. She doesn't want anyone's help and those kids are going to suffer for her own selfishness.
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But congrats on battling and overcoming cancer! I couldnt imagine that! I couldnt mentally do it and hope i never have to...thats awesome...
Thanks.
But if I can overcome something like that, she can overcome having a lonely childhood.
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Where maybe hes not ready to come to grips with it..If hes mentally ill he isnt thinking straight anyway....I couldnt imagine having problems like that...Not everyon eis you...and you cant expect them to react how you want them to....Thats kinda narrow mined...not to be mean...but you cant expect the world to do what you would do...its not fair...And what you see isnt always the truth in every case...Some can paint a pretty picture and show the real behind closed doors...
No, he's in his 50s, he'll never get help. He'll live alone for the rest of his life because no one wants to have anything to do with him. Once you've reached the point of being a paranoid schizophrenic that late in life, cutting off everyone, there will be no break through or "coming to grips" with it.
And people help themselves every day. To sit there and say that it shouldn't be expected of everyone is faithless almost. If I can do it, she can do it. If you can lose a lot of weight, so can I. We might not be the same person, but we're both people. Know what I'm saying?
And if she really was that helpless or in need of help that bad, CPS would have to come in.
No, he's in his 50s, he'll never get help. He'll live alone for the rest of his life because no one wants to have anything to do with him. Once you've reached the point of being a paranoid schizophrenic that late in life, cutting off everyone, there will be no break through or "coming to grips" with it.
And people help themselves every day. To sit there and say that it shouldn't be expected of everyone is faithless almost. If I can do it, she can do it. If you can lose a lot of weight, so can I. We might not be the same person, but we're both people. Know what I'm saying?
And if she really was that helpless or in need of help that bad, CPS would have to come in.
I get what your saying...I just think that we cant all "overcome"...so of us will fail...Thats why the world isnt perfect...No compassion without pain...I think I saw that in a movie lol..GOD give us all perfect lives or the ability to possess such determination...I really believe that...If he did everything would be perfect....And its evident that it isnt....I hope she gets better and I hope her kids have the best lives possible...She does give stuff away but we dont know why..So what she gives stuff away...We dont what is on her mind or the depth of her detrimental state....I think someone should help her because stress can make anyone crazy and I wouldnt want her to harm her kids..Like millions regardless of how many kids or how rich they are do everyday....NOT everyone will overcome....I dont expect anything of anyone else...I only expect things for myself....If you continue to expect things and believe everyone can overcome odds you will just stress yourself out...Your doing great...just think about you and your family...not in a selfish way....you know what I mean....
I'd be suprised if this were possible, unless disability checks in her state are a LOT higher than they are here.
She's in California, so I dunno. Maybe her parents also chipped in.
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I get what your saying...I just think that we cant all "overcome"...so of us will fail...Thats why the world isnt perfect...No compassion without pain...I think I saw that in a movie lol..GOD give us all perfect lives or the ability to possess such determination...I really believe that...If he did everything would be perfect....And its evident that it isnt....I hope she gets better and I hope her kids have the best lives possible...She does give stuff away but we dont know why..So what she gives stuff away...We dont what is on her mind or the depth of her detrimental state....I think someone should help her because stress can make anyone crazy and I wouldnt want her to harm her kids..Like millions regardless of how many kids or how rich they are do everyday....NOT everyone will overcome....I dont expect anything of anyone else...I only expect things for myself....If you continue to expect things and believe everyone can overcome odds you will just stress yourself out...Your doing great...just think about you and your family...not in a selfish way....you know what I mean....
Then that's really defeatist if you think we can't all overcome our problems. I know if my fiance's father started going to a psychiatrist and taking meds, his problems would most likely go away, but he won't because he thinks he's sane.
Yes, you'll fail.... but you have to think of what this woman's supposed problems are. Growing up lonely. Boo-freaking-hoo, that doesn't mean you go out and have 14 kids when you're unemployed and on disability and single.
Please stop making excuses. I'm not even talking about having a "perfect" life, I'm talking about helping yourself before you hurt other people, and for you to sit there and say that's not possible for some people is false. And defeatist. Look at how much weight you've lost, it's obviously possible to help one's self.
Maybe I just don't understand what you're saying. She won't get better unless she gets help. It isn't magical and doesn't happen overnight. She was crazy before she had the 8 babies and she IS getting help from a team of nannies, and no, a psychologist cannot help her if she does not want their help. By her giving away charitable donations, it's apparent she doesn't want anyone's help. Understand?
And if you really do think that not everyone can overcome their problems, then that is defeatist and a very negative attitude. People have gone from being homeless to being millionaires, homeless to going to Harvard, grown up in an abusive home and become incredibly successful.
Everyone has the power to help themselves. Everyone.
Kiahna - I just want to say that I really respect how you have held your own in this discussion without making snide personal comments toward anyone, though a few have been directed toward you. It's interesting because you are the lone voice here calling for compassion and understanding- why can't more of us be this way? I don't think anyone wants to be judged harshly for her own mistakes, yet so many of us are quick to judge others.
i think when you're parading your private life for a documentary on network TV and holding a press conference in your living room as you return home with 2 of your children from the hospital, you're opening yourself up to be judged. this was HER documentary and the time for her to show HER side of the story. i went in perfectly open minded and if anything, WANTING to see some good in this woman who everyone is picking on. it just wasnt there, bottom line.
She's in California, so I dunno. Maybe her parents also chipped in.
Then that's really defeatist if you think we can't all overcome our problems. I know if my fiance's father started going to a psychiatrist and taking meds, his problems would most likely go away, but he won't because he thinks he's sane.
Yes, you'll fail.... but you have to think of what this woman's supposed problems are. Growing up lonely. Boo-freaking-hoo, that doesn't mean you go out and have 14 kids when you're unemployed and on disability and single.
Please stop making excuses. I'm not even talking about having a "perfect" life, I'm talking about helping yourself before you hurt other people, and for you to sit there and say that's not possible for some people is false. And defeatist. Look at how much weight you've lost, it's obviously possible to help one's self.
Maybe I just don't understand what you're saying. She won't get better unless she gets help. It isn't magical and doesn't happen overnight. She was crazy before she had the 8 babies and she IS getting help from a team of nannies, and no, a psychologist cannot help her if she does not want their help. By her giving away charitable donations, it's apparent she doesn't want anyone's help. Understand?
And if you really do think that not everyone can overcome their problems, then that is defeatist and a very negative attitude. People have gone from being homeless to being millionaires, homeless to going to Harvard, grown up in an abusive home and become incredibly successful.
Everyone has the power to help themselves. Everyone.
smh (shaking my head)....I hope everyone in the world overcomes what you want them too...
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i think when you're parading your private life for a documentary on network TV and holding a press conference in your living room as you return home with 2 of your children from the hospital, you're opening yourself up to be judged. this was HER documentary and the time for her to show HER side of the story. i went in perfectly open minded and if anything, WANTING to see some good in this woman who everyone is picking on. it just wasnt there, bottom line.
you saw what they wanted you to see...thats how the media works..Many think if you go to Compton California then you will be shot on site...NOT TRUE! I lived there majority of my life...Media portrays everything as negative as possible..they need people to watch....drama drama drama....thats all they want...listen to that Nas song "I know I can"...and that where is the love song by black eyed peas.....all of what they say is obvious....
you saw what they wanted you to see...thats how the media works..Many think if you go to Compton California then you will be shot on site...NOT TRUE! I lived there majority of my life...Media portrays everything as negative as possible..they need people to watch....drama drama drama....thats all they want...listen to that Nas song "I know I can"...and that where is the love song by black eyed peas.....all of what they say is obvious....
actually what i wanted to see was a woman who has been misrepresented by the media. i was internally rooting for her and wanting to see a good mother who has been bashed by the tabloids. instead i saw a woman who is almost childlike and out of touch with reality. she is even quoted in the show as saying that she didnt think about the consequences, and that she "screwed up" her life, and her kids. that was the most realistic thing she said in the entire 2 hours. this wasnt a tabloid article, this was HER documentary that she wanted to have. it was her chance to prove everyone wrong. she failed in my eyes, and i think in almost everyones eyes.
actually what i wanted to see was a woman who has been misrepresented by the media. i was internally rooting for her and wanting to see a good mother who has been bashed by the tabloids. instead i saw a woman who is almost childlike and out of touch with reality. she is even quoted in the show as saying that she didnt think about the consequences, and that she "screwed up" her life, and her kids. that was the most realistic thing she said in the entire 2 hours. this wasnt a tabloid article, this was HER documentary that she wanted to have. it was her chance to prove everyone wrong. she failed in my eyes, and i think in almost everyones eyes.
I saw it too...I may be desensitized....because I lived in areas where the kids curse like they are adults.....I saw a kindergardener cursing at my daughters school! I was like "wow should you be talking like that?"...And he told me to "mind my effin business"...ofcourse he cursed though! Ive seen some terrible children! And their parents are usually just as bad....She is stressed though....I hope she comes out on top! Im not saying be poster perfect...I just hope she gets better...I see this all the time where I live...Kids without diapers changed....cursing...shooting....fighting....so much in this world we cant change....its stressful....but I dont get angry....I try to be optimistic and expect nothing....this way I wont get angry or frustrated....not saying you are....
