If you read my ENTIRE post and didnt just comment on what would be relevant you YOUR argument...I ALSO said it could be childhood trauma or neglect....
Would you like to be the pot or the kettle? Because you did not read my entire post either.
I said to blame it solely on society is a cop-out. I also said that I don't know if she suffered childhood trauma or neglect...however, even if she did suffer childhood trauma and neglect, that still isn't an excuse! She isn't the only one to ever experience any suffering. You've shown that yourself with your own story. If everyone that suffered any hardships acted the way she does, the world would be in complete chaos.
And Im pretty sure you dont know what their situation was..He was an abusive alcoholic...so she eventually started fostering children....She had a total of 15 children in her home at one time...She had to take care of herself and her kids after he died of a heart attack...And money isnt the only way to take care of kids....People with less children are on assistance.....I just said mentally she should get help so she can be better for her kids..
For the hundredth time...I NEVER SAID SHE WASNT IRRESPONSIBLE but I don tremember GOD giving me my platinum perfection card...So Im not going to judge her...I hate that everyone has to look at things from the same point of view or you get angry....You came in at the end of the debate....
I came in at the end of the debate? I made the first or second comment. *is confused*
I just don't like it when people make excuses for their or other peoples' behavior. Ok, so she might have had a bad childhood, so what? Plenty of people have bad childhoods, and they don't go out and spend thousands of dollars on in vitro and have 14 kids. No number of excuses excuses her behavior or her choices.
She has problems and her children deserve ot be raised by a stable parent. Her kids will most likely be taken away by child protective services, people like her are why CPH exists. No number of nannies will raise those kids right.
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Kiahna - I just want to say that I really respect how you have held your own in this discussion without making snide personal comments toward anyone, though a few have been directed toward you. It's interesting because you are the lone voice here calling for compassion and understanding- why can't more of us be this way? I don't think anyone wants to be judged harshly for her own mistakes, yet so many of us are quick to judge others. I personally find being overly judgmental or critical to be one of my own worst qualities - I love to watch reality shows and at times do gloat over another's misfortunes or even gossip about people I know. I truly dislike this quality in myself and have worked to improve it... although I don't work on it as hard as I should.
It's hard for me to be as nonjudgmental as you are (including about this topic), but I commend you for both your ability to try to understand the whole person, as well as to stay composed in this discussion.
I only caught the last couple of minutes of the show after I read this post (last night), and the mere sight of those 8 babies laying on the rug, screaming their heads off in unison is enough to make me glad I didn't watch the whole thing!
I've seen enough interviews of her on other shows to believe that there is something wrong with her mentally. I don't mean that it's nuts to have that many kids (because the Duggers seem quite happy, and my dad has 10 siblings), but that she seems....detatched from reality or something. She can put sentences together, but what she says doesn't seem to make sense (to me). Very strange situation.
And I'm wondering....how does a student find the money to get IVF in the first place? A friend of mine is looking into it, and it's $15K for the FIRST treatment alone.
Kiahna - I just want to say that I really respect how you have held your own in this discussion without making snide personal comments toward anyone, though a few have been directed toward you. It's interesting because you are the lone voice here calling for compassion and understanding- why can't more of us be this way? I don't think anyone wants to be judged harshly for her own mistakes, yet so many of us are quick to judge others. I personally find being overly judgmental or critical to be one of my own worst qualities - I love to watch reality shows and at times do gloat over another's misfortunes or even gossip about people I know. I truly dislike this quality in myself and have worked to improve it... although I don't work on it as hard as I should.
It's hard for me to be as nonjudgmental as you are (including about this topic), but I commend you for both your ability to try to understand the whole person, as well as to stay composed in this discussion.
Making mistakes at the expense of yourself is one thing, but making mistakes at the expense of another (or 14 others in this case) is an entirely different case.
And I'm wondering....how does a student find the money to get IVF in the first place? A friend of mine is looking into it, and it's $15K for the FIRST treatment alone.
Would you like to be the pot or the kettle? Because you did not read my entire post either.
I said to blame it solely on society is a cop-out. I also said that I don't know if she suffered childhood trauma or neglect...however, even if she did suffer childhood trauma and neglect, that still isn't an excuse! She isn't the only one to ever experience any suffering. You've shown that yourself with your own story. If everyone that suffered any hardships acted the way she does, the world would be in complete chaos.
Ive shown that I have overcome... that doesnt mean everyone can...if you really believe that then the world would be perfect... Majority of my family havent....Not everyone can be the same or react the same....I may have overcome but I still have trust issues that i am working on...So I know that even if I do become rich I will still have some problems...
I came in at the end of the debate? I made the first or second comment. *is confused*
I just don't like it when people make excuses for their or other peoples' behavior. Ok, so she might have had a bad childhood, so what? Plenty of people have bad childhoods, and they don't go out and spend thousands of dollars on in vitro and have 14 kids. No number of excuses excuses her behavior or her choices.
She has problems and her children deserve ot be raised by a stable parent. Her kids will most likely be taken away by child protective services, people like her are why CPH exists. No number of nannies will raise those kids right.
I didnt make excuses...your not listening..your the type of person who is like "so what you had it hard...overcome it right now!"not reality...your mind is extremely complex and can make or break you....How about this..How about we agree to disagree...you think everyone should react to things like you think they should...Its just not reality....I hope she gets better and I hope for the best...
Making mistakes at the expense of yourself is one thing, but making mistakes at the expense of another (or 14 others in this case) is an entirely different case.
But being understanding of the person and where they've come from is an admirable thing, no? That's what I was driving at - I agree she is likely going to damage 14 little lives and personalities but still do we need to judge, judge, judge (criticize) or somehow reach out in a positive way. By "we" I mean all of us and society in general.
Kiahna - I just want to say that I really respect how you have held your own in this discussion without making snide personal comments toward anyone, though a few have been directed toward you. It's interesting because you are the lone voice here calling for compassion and understanding- why can't more of us be this way? I don't think anyone wants to be judged harshly for her own mistakes, yet so many of us are quick to judge others. I personally find being overly judgmental or critical to be one of my own worst qualities - I love to watch reality shows and at times do gloat over another's misfortunes or even gossip about people I know. I truly dislike this quality in myself and have worked to improve it... although I don't work on it as hard as I should.
It's hard for me to be as nonjudgmental as you are (including about this topic), but I commend you for both your ability to try to understand the whole person, as well as to stay composed in this discussion.
Thank you...I am judged so much still..So I dont like to judge others..I know how it hurts..And it can hurt bad! Im still battling myself to be what I want to be...
