Fatmad Congratulations on 156. You definitely have learned your woe. Hope the new bread works out for you.

Carol Sue I could never give up the scale either. It actually keeps me on track. I know giving it up or doing other little tricks works great for some people but I'm not one of them. Like you I don't want to wake up a few weeks or months down the road probably at the doctor's weight and find I've gained rather than lost.

Weight is up to 182 this morning which is no surprise. I know some ot this is from last night but I think I need to go back to 2MAD plan and wait until 3ish to eat first meal. Since I seem to have developed night time eating that probably is the best way for me to go. I get busy and can go all morning without eating so I need to take advantage of that right now. The good thing is that FBG was 99. So the weight will come back down in a day or two.

Chicken cooking in tomato marinade and I will add mozzarelly to mine and swiss to DH. I cant get pretty kale here like I did in SC so I have it cooking for my veggie today. I think I will make either egg or tuna salad to eat for supper tonight so I won't get hungry for a snack. So I am back OP with a plan. Now to do it.

Have a nice day everybody.
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Well today was a better day. Ended up eating 2 meals within 4 hrs. So back on track. Now the goal is to make a week of it. IF I can trust MFP I had 1180 calories today.

I am 157 today after eating yesterday. The bread was ok with lots of PB and a bit of jam on it. I may have had a few too many carbs with blueberries and yogurt as well as the toast and jam. No sugar though. For supper had leftover ribs and a salad. today is fasting.
I stopped weighing daily for a while, and I might do so again soon, but to do that, there has a to be a plan to follow. When I was strict keto and ADF, I knew it would go down over time.
I was interested today because of trying the bread. I will say I am still feeling a bit tender in the lower abdomen, even after using the washroom. I feel that it has come back to being as much a bother as when I was undergoing all the testing 3.5 years ago. I don't really want to do another elimination diet, that is hard to do with keto. I guess I would just eat meat ? LOL

Trish, now that you have seen the 170s I know you will work hard to get back there. Yes, go back to what was working.
Have a good day friends.

I had 2 naps yesterday, one 1 hour and one 2 hours. Then I slept 8 hours overnight. When it gets dark my body wants to sleep.

I had a 16.5 hour fast yesterday and 1200 calories in 6 hours. 6 hours seems to be my automatic eating window, and 1000-1200 seems to be my automatic calorie count. Its higher or lower from day to day. I think if I continued on this way I would lose gradually and it would not feel like a diet and I will occasionally have a shorter window. I have done well for 3 days but I try not to get complacent because I know I can snap in a second and have binge-like eating. I can't say I binge because that makes me think of eating a whole cake in one sitting. I never do things like that. Its just eating extra food when I'm not hungry.

The scale did go down today a bit and I set the balance beam scale to see if I can only move it when it goes down. Right now I am more interested in stopping my overeating than in the scale because I feel the one will effect the other.

Mad, was that the Keto bread that you tried? I saw a new Keto bread at Wal-Mart yesterday but I forget the name of it. It was not with the other bread. I will look next time. I considered trying it but it was $5.39. Also, I am working toward not eating as much bread so I will stick with the Sara Lee. I no longer eat toast with my eggs unless they are sunny side. Mostly I eat scrambled eggs. I am also skipping bread in restaurants. My carbs have been 50-55 GM per day and blood sugar has dropped. Only taking half dose of G. This will help improve my lab work in February. 77 more days. I think I could do all meat for a while but eventually would want vegetables. I had steak yesterday because I was really craving it.
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Trish, I think a later eating window will work great for you as you stay up later than I do. You can have your eating window whenever you want. And it actually helps if its not the same all the time. If this feels right for your body, do it! I am used to going to bed on an empty stomach and I like when my stomach growls during the night. Many can't sleep when hungry but I can.


DH wants to go to the casino today so he doesn't miss Thursday night football. Whatever.

Weight back to 180.6 this morning so the overeating wasn't too bad. Hopefully I will be back in 170s tomorrow or the next day. I do know that a lot of people have a cheat day but I don't like to have a runaway day. At least eating only 2MAD, I can pretty much eat whatever we want even the heavy salty stuff.

Carol Sue I go to bed most nights around 1 am, so by the time I go to bed, I haven't had anything to eat for 4 or 5 hrs. I heard years ago not to eat anything 4 hrs prior to bedtime. So I still try to follow that rule. I usually stop eating by 6 or 7 however, on occasion when I'm not hungry until 8ish I might have something then. I still like the IE woe along with my IF plan.

Fatmad I wondered about the bread causing you problems too. I tried eating almond flour as well as drinking almond milk and it gives me potty issues. I have come to realize that I seem to be a person who has to do more of a Mediterranian woe. I was looking at a sample picture of how to eat the plan with a plate etc and realized that it is very similar to WWSF plan. I hope you won't have to go through the elimination diet again.

We aren't going to the store today. Probably will go Thursday because I don't want to be shopping with people shopping for Thanksgiving. That way I can go to the beauty shop and just come home Friday.

Have a great day everybody.

Trish, I think we naturally eat more or less on certain days. It doesn't have to be called a cheat day because that sounds like something bad. You are doing everything good in my opinion! I'm glad you are back to 180 and will probably be back in the 170s tomorrow. :cp:

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I had another 19 hour fast and now I'm eating scrambled eggs before we leave. I also cooked some cauliflower because that is one of the veggies that helps kidney issues. DH doesn't like cauliflower unless its breaded so I never cook it with our dinner. I will probably eat something at the casino. I love their salads, but my eating window might be extended. And I'm ok with that as long as I don't eat when i 'm not hungry.

Ended up with about a 5 hr window. I did a lot of exercise today and had 1266 calories I thought I ate more so I was surprised when I tracked it that came out so good. I usually plan my calories in advance but for the past 2 days when eating 2 meals, I tracked at the end of the day and turned out better. So may try this for a while and see how it goes.

Talked to DBS today and got some more ideas from her on evening meals and how she eats. It really helps me a lot. She also told me that drinking decaf green tea gives her diarrhea so that could be one of my problems. So won't drink any more until I can go to the store and get the caffiene green tea.

Another good day. Hope your casino day was good Carol Sue.

Casino day was terrible! No more Tuesdays, but of course, that's not up to me.

I also tossed and turned most of the night but I'll be ok after some coffee. Probably take a nap today. I'm glad that the casino is over with for the rest of the week.

Eating was good again. I want to look back and see how many straight days I did well. I think I'm improving. Scale went down a nudge but not to the point of discussing it. Still too high. I'm mainly concerned with total cals and portions right now. I'm also glad that blood sugar has dropped so it will effect my bloodwork.

I never noticed a problem with decaf green tea but I don't drink it daily. I like drinking decaf tea so I can have it on a cold evening and not worry about it keeping me up. I have other teas too that I bought to try and should use them up before buying more.

Trish, I never really plan my calories. I enter my first meal after I eat to see how many calories I have left for my second meal. If I know what I'm having for dinner I enter it to see my total for the day. Sometimes after dinner I come back and correct it according to what I actually ate but sometimes I was right. The thing I like about this is I eat according to my hunger on a good day. It just so happens that it comes out around 1000-1400. This tells me my appetite is right on spot. That only applies to a normal eating day. When I overeat its way out there. This is how a normal person eats. They eat what they want and don't count, and some days they overeat, but they don't let it bother them. It bothers me because one bad day leads to another and another. I want to eventually not be so obsessed with what I'm eating. My likes have changed and I rarely eat the favorite foods I used to like. Country fried steak with country gravy used to be a favorite. I would never order that now. I am more into plain whole foods. I know some restaurants use too much seasoning and we have started ordering things "no seasoning." Texas Roadhouse is guilty. I want to taste my meat, not the seasoning. One time I asked the server what type of seasoning was used and he said "Texas Roadhouse Seasoning.". I guess he thought I wanted to copy it but I wanted it omitted. Applebees does that too. If you order without seasoning they usually comply.

A 5 hour window is good. That's my average. But I'm not against going longer or shorter. Yesterday was 3.5 hours because I was at the casino. When we were leaving DH got a hot dog and wanted me to eat too but I already ate while I was reading. Today DH might want to go for breakfast when he gets up. He likes to go the morning after the casino. He is a creature of habit.

I have some calls to make today and some cleaning.

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Carol Sue Sorry the day at the casino wasn't very good. I guess they can't always be great.

I remember a lot of my struggles when trying to lose and get FBG down too that I never could understand why that if the bs was good the weight wasn't always as good and vice versa. I still don't understand that. When I think the FBG should be good because the weight is down, it isn't. Sometimes like today it is 105. I could understand the days weight was up why it was 108 but weight is lower today to 178.4 so why wasn't it back down in 90s. ??? Very confusing. I think it is just part of our body adjusting to everything.

We are going out to eat at the steakhouse on this side of town and I used to get country fried steak but I realized one day that what looked like a huge serving of steak is mostly batter that I don't need. Since I don't cook steak at home much any more, DH said that I should pay more and get the fillet mignon like he does and get a good steak. So that is what I do. Not only do I get a good steak, but I can stay OP.

DBS told me last night that she still counts calories. I don't know that that means she actually writes or track it but she was telling me how many calories were in somethings that she eats to stay low calorie and low carb.

I've got boneless pork chops in the crockpot for main meal and eggs boiling to make either egg or turna salad for some evening meals/snacks. Also have half my exercises done and got to go do the bike.

Hope everybody has a great day.

Trish, you posted early today!

My overnight fast was 19.44 HR and I just ate scrambled eggs. I was wrong about DH wanting to go out, but he wants donuts. We have to go to Wal-Mart because our printer ran out of ink so maybe he will get donuts there. I want pork chops to make pork and sauerkraut so I hope Wal-Mart has some so I don't have to go to another store.

Trish, there are different things that affect blood sugar and also weight. I don't understand it either. I never understood why blood sugar goes up in the morning when I fasted since 4pm. I have heard all about the dawn phenomenon but don't really understand it. I think my diabetes is progressed to the point that my A1c will never be like yours no matter what. But readings are so much better than before when I was getting those very high spikes I told you about. I am eating lower carb, 50-80 GM per day. I sure hope I can keep this going one day at a time. When I had those high spikes I was eating lots of bread, candy, noodles, things I know spike my blood sugar. I hope I never go back to that. The bad numbers for kidney function scared me. My numbers are elevated but not yet in the high danger zone. This is a wake up call. Once they get in the high danger zone it is too late. The doctor has said nothing, this is my own opinion based on my online research. This bothers me, because I feel that the doctor didn't say anything because there is not a pill to take to fix this. I don't want to change doctors because he is convenient. Also, he wanted to change my diabetes meds and I said no. I think I can correct my blood sugar using the meds I'm on now. If I say No he accepts my decision. So that's why I stick with him.

When I was on my first diet I memorized the calorie count of most foods I ate. I never tracked or counted but I was losing so I knew I was doing something right. I now understand that other things factor into weight loss, like carbs and protein. But counting calories keeps me in the ball park. I know its just a habit. Not bad in my opinion but not really necessary. Many articles I read tell me that I should eat a lot more calories some even say over 2000. What would I weigh if I did that? I read that long term dieting can really slow metabolism. To fix metabolism there is a diet to follow, and in most cases you will gain weight before you get your metabolism fixed. Then you will lose. I do not want to take that chance. I never want to see the scale go up again. I will never intentionally increase calories above 1200.

I did a 5 hr eating window and had 1130 calories. May have been less cause wasn't really sure how to count the chicken/egg salad I had for supper. Another good day.

Carol Sue I honestly think we have to do what we know works for us to control our bs. If I had done what my doctor told me when I met him, I don't think I would have ever got it under control.

I think I'm going to have to take the Lasix everyday but trying not to. I can tell the difference in how my legs and feet feel the days I don't take it, but still trying to do it fewer days each week. I've done 2 days of my 3 days exercises this week and will make tomorrow my 3rd day this week.

Ready for bed soon. I posted this morning becaue I got up earlier this week so was able to post earlier. Don't know if this will change as I gte used to the time change. Good night.

Weight went down a bit in spite of the sodium in the sauerkraut. I didn't eat as much of it as I usual do. I like to put it on mashed potatoes but I didn't want to eat the potatoes. I found out that I don't like pork and sauerkraut that much without potatoes. I buy boneless pork for DH but I prefer bone-in.

Trish when I was diagnosed I was told to have 45 carbs at each meal and 15 at each snack. If blood sugar went up they added more med. They never mentioned cut back on carb. I don't understand why. They don't want us to control blood sugar with diet. They want to sell more med. My doctor never discusses diet with me.

If you need Lasix take it every day. When I took LASIX I had to take potassium with it. LASIX made me not feel good. MY blood pressure med contains a diuretic.

I also had a 5 hour eating window. That is what feels natural to me. I love the feeling of an empty stomach and hot coffee in the morning.

DH bought 6 donuts. I wish he would change his diet. He eats too many sweets and puts so much sugar in his coffee. Lots of sugar in his cereal. Canned fruit in heavy syrup. But I keep my mouth shut. I don't like him telling me what to eat. I tell him his pain is caused by too much sugar but he doesn't believe me.

I need to improve myself before I can change him.

Hi friends: 157 again today after eating yesterday. I was doing really well, but caved and had a sweet dessert, because DD brought her man over for supper too, so I felt obliged to provide dessert. (why do we do that? it was just simple home cooked food for supper, so why did I feel the need to add dessert? maybe this is another thing I need to get over, and just save desserts for special occasions or once on the weekend etc. )
In any case, its been a busy 24 hrs. We had a memorial service to go to yesterday, which was actually lovely, and got to see many friends in person, first time since the summer. Also had live music in the church. we had to be masked and were asked not to sing, but we sang quietly along under our masks. The couple's son, who is a dear friend and musician, played several favourite songs and some religious ones too for his parents. They were a grand couple, so fun and full of life, died at 97 and 99, early victims of covid19. The memorial was finally held because we can all travel safely now, so their daughter and son who live in Nova Scotia came. They will take the ashes home and inter them in Nova Scotia now.
Then I had a doctor's appointment, and have a new prescription for a protein pump inhibitor for possible reflux. See if that helps whatever is going on with my throat. Also booked for a mammogram. Its been 10 years, so I agreed to it. There is no breast cancer in the family and I never feel lumps, but its ok to check.

And then after supper some sad news. Our nephew (DH's side) has died. He went to hospital a couple of weeks ago, after a negative covid19 test, but trouble breathing, and they thought pneumonia. They drained fluid from his lungs, and found a mass; stage 4 lung cancer in a non-smoker. He also had a large blood clot in the other lung. He has been in hospital since, as they do more tests, and trying to get him well enough for treatment. They thought he would pass on Sunday night but he rallied. But last evening the clot dislodged and went to his heart and he died, with his wife at his side. He would have turned 50 in a couple of weeks. His youngest child is 16. Usually cancer gives you time, and they had a little, for loving goodbyes, but not the months one would have expected.
We haven't been around to ask if he put off getting seen, because of Covid, etc. Its one of those little family tragedies that just happen in life all around us. DH is pretty broken up.
Not sure yet what is planned for services, the family was still in shock at his illness.

I any case, time to walk the dog, have a good day. It is grey here and will rain in a while. best get out while I can.

Mad, I am sorry to hear of your nephew's illness and passing. Many people disregard symptoms until an illness has progressed. It can be very hard on the family but preferable to long suffering. May he rest in peace and may the family find comfort in memories.

Fatmad So sorry about your DH nephew. So so sad. I pray for all of y'all as it is not an easy thing to go through.

I don't know why we think we have to have dessert after a meal especially when company comes. We never did that in my family but DH#2s family always did and that is how I got started doing it. I always thought it was expected after that.

Carol Sue The original doctor who diagnosed me with diabetes handed me a bunch of information that I don't think he agreed with. Then he said, "This is the materials Iam supposed to give you, but you will figure it out yourself." He had been my families doctor for years and was Mama's doc when she died. I guess that some how he knew we would figure things out. He is the one I gave him the book Fit For Life (think was the title) to see what he thought about it and would approve of it. He and his wife were oriental although I never knew from where. He glanced through it and said said "This is how my wife eats". She was one of his nurses and the only time I saw her, I knew it was a good diet plan because she was short and very thin but healthy. They shopped at the health food store where I worked for a few weeks. I've always said I would eat that way some day but never fit my lifestyle. Now the 8 hrs when you are to eat fruit only, I mostly liquid fast. Then I use 5 hrs most of the time for an eating window instead of 8.

Weight down to 178. FBG is 104 which it does when I'm doing more of low carb meals for 2nd meal, but it is a healthy woe so I figure the FBG will line up eventually.

Busy day. Doing our store shopping today so we don't have to go again until the week after Thanksgiving. So lots to do before then. Trying to post earlier in the day so I don't forget. Some days I almost forget to post since I'm trying to be more active these days.

Have a blessed day everybody.

Please don't ever stop posting! I need this thread to keep me in line.

DH talked to his son, who is mad because we aren't going to step daughters. Funny he doesn't realize I didn't get mad when he didn't come to my house. So we will get talked about on Thanksgiving. I was going to invite him to stop to see us on the way home but now I don't want to, but I would like to give them a pie and see DGS. Holidays are supposed to be a happy time not a family feud.

I am not big on dessert so I never think to make it. I only have pumpkin pie because its Thanksgiving. My DIL is the one who always brings dessert. We never had dessert growing up unless it was somebody's birthday and my mother baked a cake. When my step kids lived here I baked a couple times a week but now only DH eats the sweets.