[fatmad]

Hey friends: had a hard time around supper time last evening, then realized I had such a busy afternoon I wasn't drinking much. So had a big glass of water, some salt and magnesium (the Fung recommendations) and that helped. They also recommend pickle juice, so I had a swig of that too. grosses DH out, but for pickle lovers its great. A glass of water with ACV is also something they recommend. In any case, it got me through. This morning sees a new low of 157, but that is fasted of course, Today will be an eating day and I have the food planned out. (wedge salad for lunch, with hard cooked eggs, wings for supper)
I will do OMAD tomorrow, as we have a potluck planned. or 2MAD and fast on Saturday, not sure. Must buy the beets for the borscht at the market today.
Got my new CPAP to try yesterday. Seemed fine last night. VERY quiet. I didn't sleep the best. We cleaned the room yesterday and rearranged some things and it felt different a bit, I think it affected my sleep somewhat. I also realized I have been dreaming more regularly. I no longer think its so rare that I remark when I dream. I think I notice dreams most nights now. They are not anything special, and I usually don't remember them, or only remember bits, but thats fine. For so long I did even think I was dreaming at all, that its nice to be back to "normal"

Carol: I hope you slept well. Looks like you have TG well in hand.
Trish: glad this is agreeing with you. We expect ups and downs on the way. Like you say, a little bounce is normal.

Hope everyone gets a nice walk in today!
wherever, however you do it?

[Wannabehealthy]

I don't understand but this is the second time my morning post is gone.

Wt 198 FBG 134. Wt getting too close for comfort.

Yesterday, I went over 5K steps on my Fitbit without even realizing it.....not checking and purposely working toward more steps. My steps have been low since my foot pain started and I've only been over 5K a couple times.

Sleep was good last night. I stayed up as late as I could and fell asleep quickly. I did get up and had a bit of a problem falling back to sleep but did some deep breathing and before I knew it I was awake again and the sun was shining. So the deep breathing did the trick. It clears my mind, as I breathe in, breathe out.

DH wants to go to the casino today, but go early and come home early so he can watch the Steeler game tonight. It's usually hard to pull him away from a slot machine when he's winning, so we'll see. I don't want him to lose. I don't know what it's like there in the afternoon. I will try to behave at the buffet.

Have a good day, everyone!

[pattygirl63]

Weight up to over 220 today, but that bounce is my fault as I ended up having a snack last night way 2 hrs outside of my maximum 8 hr window. Thank God the FBS was 133 only up 1 pts from yesterday. I went on MFP and added the snack to keep myself honest on calorie count and my calories were over 1600 and sodium, carbs and fiber were too high. When I saw the amount of calories and my weight was up to 221.8, my first thought was "and the doctors tell me to eat 1800 calories?" If I ate the amount of calories the doctors tell me to eat I would never lose weight, but be gaining. So today I'm back to my lower calories.

I thought of going back to low carb, but I know that doesn't work for me and talked myself into continuing what is working. I am so thrilled that the FBS is coming back down. So I had my oatmeal breakfast this morning. Planning a salad with the BBQ DH likes for lunch. I am looking to eat just 2MAD.

Have a good day.

[Wannabehealthy]

Just got home from the casino and we brought all our money with us. That's all I ask anymore. I ate a little too much atl the buffet. But the only carb was half a biscuit and veggies. Otherwise chicken and steak. I wanted a baked potato but they didn't have any. Probably because it was lunchtime instead of dinner. They had mashed and homefried but I didn't want them.

I could not lose on 1800 either Trish.

[fatmad]

I at to plan today, but I suspect I overate. I will expect a bounce up tomorrow, which happens anyhow, after eating post fast. I think I will OMAD tomorrow, not 2MAD to allow time for this to dissipate.
Carol, keep walking if you can, and glad you had a day out without a big expense.
Trish, keep on if you can, doing what works. Low carb doesn't seem to work for you because you can't tolerate the higher fat you need to make it work.
If you go low carb but high protein, instead of high fat, the protein will get processed as carbs and you lose the advantage. So stick with what works.

sleep well everyone

[pattygirl63]

Thanks fatmad. I did stay with the Mediterranean woe. I actually had a good day today although I did get hungry around 8ish, but then that is what time I ate last night. I figured that was why and I didn't want to get into the habit of snacking at night again so I made it without eating.

Headed to bed.

[fatmad]

Did ok in spite of over eating yesterday. At least I stayed LCHF. I was actually just below 157 which surprised me. I think I will still do OMAD today. I am not at all hungry after eating so much. I am liking the new CPAP, its very quiet, and it tells me how long I have been sleeping, or at least using the CPAP. SO thats interesting and I can check it every morning. I didn't get a great sleep on Wednesday night, and it showed about 5 hours only, since I didn't put it back on after going to the washroom. Last night I went to bed early. Had a little insomnia, but left the CPAP on and did breathing and meditation to get back to sleep, (worked eventually) I was in bed 10 hours! I know I didn't sleep the whole time, but I did sleep well overall. I like this feature.
Its going to snow here today. I am all for it, I like it to be proper winter instead of cold and rainy.
Last night our social committee plan winter activities for our community. We will need cold weather and snow to make those happen.
Trish, glad you managed to keep to plan. Staying with a WOE for the long term is the right move. You can combine with with IF etc but sticking to plan will help a lot.
I wonder if the calorie guides assume a certain age. We all need a little less as we age. I would expect a lower calorie count is normal as we get older. And of course activity comes into it. Carol you have been really restricted in activity with your pain. That never helps us to stay active. I know when I haven't slept well, I do not feel like getting active. And then life interferes.
I can't go for the walk I planned this morning because I am waiting for an electrician. After cleaning the bedroom all my outlets stopped working. Very frustrating.
Hello to our lurkers. Hope everyone has a good day leading into the weekend.

[Wannabehealthy]

Wt 199 FBG 187 .No surprised after my messed up eating day yesterday. Pain level is up too. Coincidence? Our weather will turn blustery today so I want to stay in a and won't get as many steps. I wore different shoes yesterday to see how feet reacted. So far so good. Hand pain only.

I started reading Metabolism Miracle. This has a different plan from the other book and might work better. You do 4 strict days then 8 weeks of low carb with no weighing or measuring. I don't know if I can stay off the scale for 8 weeks. I am curious and looking forward to reading g more.

[pattygirl63]

Quick flyby as I've got to hit the road. LOL!!! Friday is always a busy morning for me.

Just checking in to say FBS is 118 this morning. YAY!!! Weight back down only .4 lbs but I guess it will eventually line up. Choosing to trust the plan.

BBL for individuals.

[Wannabehealthy]

Originally Posted by pattygirl63

Thanks fatmad. I did stay with the Mediterranean woe. I actually had a good day today although I did get hungry around 8ish, but then that is what time I ate last night. I figured that was why and I didn't want to get into the habit of snacking at night again so I made it without eating.

Headed to bed.

I wanted to comment on this. I have read that when you eat on the same schedule all the time, your body seems to recognize that and begins to want food at those times on a regular basis. I remember when I worked I ate at least a small lunch every day because they gave me a lunch break and everyone else was eating. If someone didn't eat, everyone would comment that they weren't eating. Some people went outside and walked around the building, weather permitting, but I liked to go into the break room and sit and relax for that time, and eating seemed to go hand in hand with that. When I had days off I never ate lunch.

DH eats something before he goes to bed every night. When I first met him it was Post Raisin Bran. Now he has switched to Cream of Wheat or Oatmeal, and he always has warm milk on it. He will occasionally have pancakes or cake of some kind if he has it. He is a creature of habit and I can't imagine him going to bed without eating something. I am trying so hard to stop eating after dinner. That was my schedule for so many years, but now there is so much food in the house it's very hard for me to do it. I will have to do it ONE DAY, then try again the next day, just take it one day at a time until I get used to it.

One of the books I was reading, I forget which one, had a list of diet myths. One of them was "Always be a little bit hungry, even at bedtime, because that means your body is burning fat and you will lose weight." They say it is a myth, but that worked for me for so many years. I ate, but never enough to feel really full and always felt a bit of hunger. And I maintained my weight. Proof that what works for one does not work for all. I think once you get used to going to bed hungry it becomes normal.

[pattygirl63]

Baby sister came to the beauty shop a little bit before I left. She said they are working at getting their business taken care of so they can get settled here. She is just having a difficult time. Although she wants to save her marriage, she says she is having a difficult time. I really think if they can get settled here that things will become better for them. I wish she would talk to me, but she isn't ready yet. So I just keep praying for them. They are supposed to go see Daddy today and if her 3 grandkids from Dallas area doesn't go for the Thanksgiving dinner with Daddy then she and her DH will go. That will be good for all of them.

I went to see Daddy and he was doing fine. We had one of our really good visits... one where I really hated that I had to leave. He seems to be having more and more trouble using his arms than he was. That bothers me. We don't see the neurologist until the day before Thanksgiving. Therapy thinks he has lost range of motion and can't get it back. I hope the doctor will have answers for us. It is difficult for me to watch him struggle and I want to help him, but feel it is so important to let him do what he can.

[Wannabehealthy]

Today I found out that a waitress at a restaurant we frequent passed away. She was 74, very bubbly and active. She died in her sleep, which is really the best way to go. No suffering. But it will be so hard to go there for dinner and not see her.

Trish, I'm glad you had a good visit with your Dad. I'm sorry to hear he is losing some of his function in his arms. That is so sad to hear. I'm also sorry to hear your sister won't talk to you, but maybe it's best if they work this out themselves without others knowing the details. Once you hear it, you can't unhear it. You know what I mean? Just keep praying for them is the best.

I have done well with eating today. I had one egg and two slices of bacon for breakfast. I am not going to buy bacon anymore. If I get it when we go out for breakfast I eat it and it's gone, but if I buy it, I have a whole package and if I don't eat it every day it will spoil. I don't want to eat it every day. I get tired of it. It's a once in a while thing for me so I will leave it for breakfast out.

I don't think I ate lunch. Oh, yeah, I ate some of the sandwich spread I made for DH and ate it without a bun. He bought these really good buns and I wanted one!!! I had 1/2 of a banana somewhere along the line and a few pecans. For dinner we went out and I had a Buffalo Chicken Salad and decided I don't like Buffalo. LOL The first couple bites were ok then it was too hot for me. Right now I am not hungry. I would like to eat some cauliflower because I don't feel that I'm getting enough vegetables, but on the other hand, I want to go to bed without eating anything. I used to eat vegetables for my lunch and now I'm just not getting enough of them. I don't count salad because that's just lettuce. I don't think cauliflower would add many calories or anything else, but it would shorten my fasting time.

One of the hints in the book is to drink hot tea to keep from eating at night so I think that sounds good.


I read further into that Metabolism Miracle book. The first 3 days aren't anything different, but it just says they will be the hardest because you're starting out low carb, so it's like having low-carb flu. For the low carb, she does not count veggies as carbs but no starchy veggies are allowed, and I didn't see any fruit on the list, not even berries. You can have 5 net carbs per every 5 hours, so 5 net carbs per meal. This means if you have bread that the carbs minus the fiber comes out to 5 or less, you can have 1 slice at a meal. After 8 weeks of this, you can start adding carbs similar to what Dr Atkins said. So this is really nothing new. I'm glad I got the book from the library and didn't pay for it. I don't know if I'm going to read any further, but just try to follow low carb like I usually do and stick to it a little better. DH wanted to buy some ice cream but we were already passed the store and didn't want to turn around in the rain. I am so glad. I don't know if I could have resisted ice cream tonight.

So I guess I will go make some tea and read until bedtime.

[Pipsicle]

Well, October I re-committed to taking care of myself. I gained 7 pounds- sigh. On a brighter note, I exercised a lot more. In the end, I usually gain 5 pounds whenever I consistently exercise more so 7 is not too far off of that. Trying again this month. I really want to weigh less at the end of the year than I did at the start.


I had two weeks of great FBS numbers and now it is back to the typical I had been seeing. I've been trying to figure it out. My latest guess is I was eating cookies as my sweets instead of candy and soda in that time frame. Maybe it was an issue of slower absorption. Either way, I need to cut down on my calories overall. Can't seem to make small changes and can't seem to make big changes. Wish I could find a successful path. I was able to do a 24 hour fast recently. I think of it as a 'supported' fast since I drank the other things allowed and didn't do it with just water.


Mad- A while ago you asked what you could do to support me. I'm not really sure aside from 'listening' to my ramblings. I have a great life so I feel bad for complaining. I also have some big, big issues that are probably hard for people to relate to.


Lately, I am struggling to help my kid in math. She can do the math and does a lot of it in her head. However, she is only graded on how well she shows her work and explains how to do it. She has dyslexia so this is hard (and perhaps impossible) for her. I have been trying to get her teacher to understand this. The teacher wants my daughter to "focus" on the write up. It is literally the part she cannot do and has nothing to do with focus or being able to do the math. My daughter did 25 algebra problems in one night. Turned in the assignment a day early and all of the answers were correct. The teacher gave her no positive feedback and criticized her for not enough write up. This all sounds like nothing to do with a weight loss but I find just thinking about the math issue makes me feel hungry. Talk about eating your feelings. I am really angry and disappointed with the math teacher but don't have the skills to process it without food. Plus, I am sad my kid is not getting a fair shake and worried I won't be able to support her enough.


I didn't mean to turn back into a lurker but lots going on (work, Girl Scouts to lead, Halloween, hosted party, the election, hubby on travel, class, appts). Hope to be back sooner rather than later.

[pattygirl63]

I didn't do very well today because I had a snack tonight and junk food not healthy. I can't say I was really hungry I just wanted it. Dumb move, but it is over.

Talked to my niece tonight and planned what I'm going to do for Thanksgiving. We are sure anyone is coming other than her parents and DH and myself so she is cooking a turkey and veggies. Her Dad is making the stuffing that he always makes and I'm going to cook a ham and I want to try my hand at making cranberry sauce and I will get the rolls. It will be nice not to have a lot of leftovers to bring home. Also since BIL is making the stuffing, I won't have it hanging around the house tempting me to eat it.

fatmad Congratulations for getting under 157. You are doing great. Sounds like the CPAP is helping you rest too.

Carol Sue I think one of my problems is that I'm not eating enough veggies the past few days which might be why it has been so easy to fall of the wagon. I've been having indigestion the past few nights even last night when I didn't eat anything after 5 pm. I woke up in the middle of the night with it and had to get up and take some medicine to get rid of it. I haven't had stomach problems in a long time and hope I'm not going to have that now. DH says it is stress, but I thought I was de-stressing. Maybe trying to figure everything out about who is going to go eat with Daddy next week for the Thanksgiving dinner at the nursing home and trying to figure out what I was going to do about Thanksgiving day must have been bothering more than I thought. Hopefully my tummy will settle down now.

Carol Sue I did that Metabolism Miracle Diet when I lived in SC. I did it when it first came out and did pretty good for a short time, but I never could do the whole 8 weeks. It was just so strict and I actually felt like it was too much work. It took way more time than I wanted to spend doing it. I mean I made home made ice cream on it and it was awful.

Pipsicle I wish I could say this will get easy but it sure hasn't for me. I do very well for a while and then I mess up. However, I found some people talking about doing Intermittent Fasting and some of them said not to worry about it when you eat outside your window and not to quit. Just keep doing it and you will get better with it. This week I have had 2 off days which gives me 5 successful days and I will continue starting each day doing what I know to do with the hopes that I will eventually get to where the off days will become less and less.

One thing I am doing is keeping record of what I eat. This isn't always easy because I don't like putting all that on MFP, but by tracking it on there and printing it out then I will know what I ate and might even figure out if something triggered the slips.

I hope we all get a good nights sleep tonight.

[Wannabehealthy]

Wt 198 FBG 117. The earlier I get up the lower FBG. I thought I would get a whoosh with my good eating and fasting window but I am happy to get 1 lb farther away from 200.
My stomach is really growling but my black coffee will hold me.

Popsicle I'm so sorry to hear you are having these problems. I just want to give you a big hug. I understand the way you feel about how you daughter is being treated at school. It seems that some teachers/schools are not up to date on the needs of kids with difficulties. My stepdaughter had a learning disability called auditory discrimination which made it hard for her to understand instructions. She was in some programs in grade school that helped but they didn't have that in Jr and Sr high. Dealing with it is no doubt stressful for you and making it difficult to manage your eating and therefore diabetes . Please keep coming here as much as you can and we will give you support and encouragement.

Trish you are so right about doing as many good days as you can and gradually improving. I feel so good about myself when I have a good day and stick to healthy eating. Not just healthy food but no excess eating. When you eat is as important as what you eat...and how much. I don't know why I don't think about that when I'm tempted. I keep remembering when Dr Lyle said "Its just food." He promotes a plant based diet but his attitude applies to any WOE. Don't let food hold so much power. You only put gas in your car when the tank starts to get empty. Except for DH who likes to keep the tank topped off. Come to think of it He eats that way too. Small amounts but often.

So we have to take each day as it comes and learn a lesson from the bad days not to repeat them. We can do this.