Ughhhhh I'm trying to do this last assignment for my programming class and it's so hard because I have zero motivation to do anything anymore, lol. I just want the semester to be over already! So anyway, I'm procrastinating on 3FC for a bit....hehe.
I know I just wrote that I was feeling great today earlier, but now I'm feeling kinda nasty and bloated. I should expect this by now since it happens every single day after I super-carb-load. Whatever, should go away soon!
OH, and to be honest, my habit-ridden brain really wants me to plan on taking another refeed on Monday, even though my original plan was that I would do it just yesterday and that'd tide me over for this coming week. Talk me out of it, anyone (or into it, whichever...)??
Joss- The brace looks neat but pretty uncomfortable. ): I wore a back brace at night for like a year or so when I was in middle school for scoliosis, and it was so hard to keep it on the whole night! I'd end up ripping it off after being itchy and sleepless at like 3 AM, lol. Your food looks good. Everyone here is a much more creative cook than I am, apparently!!
Krampus- Hooray for your back being better and having a good workout! Must feel great. Your post reminded me that I probably ought to try out karaoke when I'm in Japan....
Domlacha- Hi and welcome! It sounds like your plan is good. I'll look forward to hearing your progress! What are you getting your Master's in??
OhthePlaces- Ooops, sorry to hear about your binge-fest, I know well how those go. It's great that you've gotten back up and on it though! Your goals sound awesome, good luck!! Like Joss said, don't worry about keeping up in this thread too much or trying to talk to everyone individually, unless you're bored like I am a lot, haha. Just a few sentences to let us know how your day's been and how you're feeling will suffice! (:
Turbo- Haha, I love that picture, I read that website a lot. Your fridge sounds cute!! I love the holidays too. (: Your December goals sound really great and very doable!
Dreamer- Hi there, best of luck making it into the 120's this year!! I'm kinda hoping to slip into the 100's just a bit if I can....
OH my gosh we're on to page 2 of the month already? Wow. This will be a quick update.
In case any of you missed it since it was the last post in the November thread,I dropped below 150 yesterday! And as an update, I woke up to a SOLID 149 or slightly below today!!!!!!! I'm out of the 150s! I hope to get down to 146 by the 15th and would like to be 145 by the 31st, figuring for the holidays.
Dishes update- I WIN He did the dishes today. I slept in and woke up to him loading the dishwasher and informing me he couldn't find 3 plates. We're on load 2 in the dishwasher of his doing today AND he even cooked dinner, though I did chop the veggies for the stir fry. His veggies, we all know I don't eat them, I ate the chicken in a tortilla. He's in trouble for other things now, but the dishes are done and we can now eat things other than frozen pizza, sandwiches and chips.
Today went pretty well, and I felt in total control of my food for once. I'm feeling kind of cranky/jumpy, but I think that's just PMS.
I got my haircut today. I was going to wait until closer to my trip at the end of the month, but it was starting to really annoy me. Plus a fresh haircut always makes me more motivated. I also got pretty much all my Christmas shopping done. Luckily I don't have many people to shop for. The stores are already so chaotic with holiday shopping!
I bought some black hair dye too... I'm a little scared about actually doing using it, but I've been wanting to try black hair for a couple years now so I think when I get back home in January I'm gonna go for it!
Krampus - Glad your back is better and yay for 125! To answer your question, I don't think there is anything that makes me feel bad about not losing weight... I guess at this point I just feel like I know eventually I will get to goal, cause after already losing 80+ pounds I know I can. So I have nothing driving me to do it now, even though I want to. Does that make sense?
Joss - That omelet looks super yummy! And I don't think I'd be able to sleep with that brace... I can barely sleep when I have socks on.
Right now my plan for getting back on track this month is to set more rigid goals each day, instead of the vague "do better" thing I've been trying. I joined the 21 day challenge on the chicks up for a challenge board. It helped me a lot this summer to keep track there, so I figured it would do the same now.
Everyone seems to be determined to keep on track till Christmas!
I'm enjoying a very nice glass of wine and not feeling guilty about right now! LOL!
Krampus...You must be so happy your back is feeling better! Congrats on the 125! It's amazing how fast you can drop those few extra pounds. I need your trick!
Wine of choice...Hmmm...I judge a wine by taste and value. I am pretty addicted to some pricey wines, but I don't feel they are good value for money. I am a huge California wine lover for value. I like Fetzer Cabernet and Merlot, and it's cheap. Also J. Lohr...vintage wine but $20 here in Canada per bottle. Still relatively inexpensive but probably way cheaper in NY. Mondavi is good too and price points vary. I love to experiment with wines from Spain...some are so cheap and actually very good.
Funny...I also graduated from cheap white to red too. I used to be addicted to Australian reds (Shiraz) when I converted, but now I can't even drink it. But you know, I really like a nice Sauvingon Blanc or Chardonnay in the summer when it's hot.
Turbo...I used to be a holiday person, but now I'm more of a "get out of town to the sun" type of person! Family complications (Divorced parents, crazy siblings and in-laws) have made it easier to flee for the holidays. That way nobody gets offended! Or maybe they all are! Lol!
Joss...Those food pics are amazing! I love to cook too, and the challenge to make things healthy is sometimes hard to do. That brace looks so uncomfortable!
Kakers... Good for you! You've earned one for the wives! And congrats on breaking the 150!
Mottainai... How do you have all these refeeds and stay so skinny? Lol! And please tell me what a "super carb load" consists of?
Bunneh, Domlacha, Ohtheplaces & Dreamer...Welcome! And looking forward to hearing about your progress!
Mottainai, what does a "refeed" consist of? Sorry you're feeling bloated... That is the worst feeling and it's so much more obvious to me when I'm at a lower weight.
Joss, your food looks awesome! I wish I enjoyed cooking... Maybe I would if I actually took the time?
Turbo, I love the holidays too! Especially now that I have kids (a 3.5 year old boy and an almost 2 year old girl) I get to experience everything like a kid again.
Bunneh, I love the way a fresh haircut can lift your spirits! I have to hold out until after January to get mine cut because in in my BFF's wedding and need to grow it out enough to have my hair styled up. It's driving me crazy already though and I just got it cut a couple of months ago.
Kakers, woohoo for the 140s!
Bayzee, I love wine. Haha
I'm too lazy to get on my laptop so I usually post from my phone. I forget what else I wanted to comment on! I had a great eating day yesterday and a long cardio workout at the gym. I'm feeling so much better now that in out of the binge haze and my bloated belly is going down a bit. Sundays are usually my rest day, but I'm planning to go this afternoon to help off set the 3 days of crazy eating I did this week.
Oh guys...I feel so sad and desperate and scared. I got a phone call to interview for a job and whne i called back I was told hat the company decided not to hire anyone. That was a few days ago and that was when I went back to a trigger food...bread. I went up like 20 lbs from my reg weight - but I'm not scarfing down 10K cals a day - its more like I've been eating light soups (that are high in sodium) and lots of carbs. I'm still scared that I managed to put on that many lbs in a couple weeks even tho I'm a good cal counter and I know thats not possible, but still. Its messes up the mind.
I feel like a failure. My job situation my turn around soon, but at the same time because it hasn't started - nothing concrete has actually HAPPENED Idk...that combined with these cloudy days just makes me feel so desperate-sad. That worst part is that I have an interview on Monday but I'm so bloated I'll have to wear my "fat" clothes because I for sure can't fit into my pants and WHO is the cause of that? ME.
Its strange...I do what I can to fill the hours, I volunteer, I walk ALL day and yet nothing gives me a restful nights sleep other than a regular work day. I can't sleep very well so I kill the hours munching away. Therapy doesn't help...I still have trouble sleeping - I took some pills to help me but they last for a few hours and then i'm awake again.
This is the first time I think I've cried since Ive been unemployed. I'm just so sad that I was harassed at work to the point where I had to put myself in this situation. At interviews people assume I've been fired...so hard to BS a reason of why I left.
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Morning, Feathers!!
My my my, two pages on just the 1st...
I'm happy to report that I slept well two nights now! Yay.
Question: is it bad form to go to a dinner party and eat mainly only from the dish you brought yourself?
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Turbo- your pictures are always so cute!!! xD
Pixellate- I'm so so sorry to hear about your situation and that you're feeling so down!! It must be so hard. ): My husband is also unemployed and trying to find work with zero success, so I can kind of relate... And not being able to sleep is the worst!! I wish I could do more for you, but I am praying that things look up for you. Hang in there, sending lots of cyber-hugs!
OhThePlaces- Glad you're feeling better now! What I've been doing for several weeks is having one day a week what I'm calling a "refeed" and eating basically around 6000 calories, mostly in ice cream, lol, plus my favorite higher carb vegetables. It sounds kinda nuts, but doing that once a week and eating just my regular healthy and low-carb the rest of the week, I've been losing weight steadily with zero effort!
Bayzee- Yay for enjoying wine. To be honest, it's kinda cool to me that you like wine so much, haha. Since I could drink, I thought I would be really into it and actually bought like wine tasting books ad stuff, but....it turns out, I just don't really like any alcohol very much at all! Haha. Um, mega-carbs is my usual day of something like five or six thousand calories in high-carb sugary foods.... It seems I don't gain weight doing it two or fewer times a week. If I knew how that worked, believe me, I'd slap a trademark on it and sell it!! (;
TheBunneh- Ooh, can you take pictures if you dye your hair?? What color is it naturally? I'd love to see you go black, I've wondered about doing it myself vaguely before! I think it's a great idea to set more specific goals. It helps me a lot to have a couple very specific things that I can say I'm going to do just each day, rather than focusing too broadly.*
Kakers- Yay for your double victory!!! Out of the 150's is awesome, and it sounds like your husband finally got it. (;
I'm a big heavy Mrs BLOBBY. My belly is all funny and I don't have a shape anymore, I'm laughing about it too though. Blerrrr, I wasn't even drinking this weekend I just seem to use other people being around as an excuse to stuff my face. Hmm... Drinking tea now and back to the rabbit poops. We all know the drill.
Back for personals tomorrow.
Also.. it's December? DECEMBER?!?!?!? Crap, Christmas shopping tomorrow. Yo ho ho.
Time for personnals from my couch, if I don't fall asleep before I'm done :P
JossFit : Love, love, LOVE your new user picture!! Is it a eatable snowman? (you're chicken ceasar salad looks deliciouuuus by the way. Yumm, ceasar salad!)
I don't think it's nutty to decide in advance what or when are going to be your cheat day. You're gonna be ready for it! So far, we have a few dates we know that we are having parties/dinners/stuff so it would be good date to indulge a bit. I need to figure out a clearer strategy, but I don't want to put too much pressure on myself neither... I guess it's all about balance, but isn't it a lack of balance that all got us to gain weight in the first time? :P
OMG that is the foot brace? It looks quite intense! I get why you manage to get it out of there while you sleep!
OhThePlaces : Nice goals! This thread do moves quickly... This weekend especially was WOAHHH! I'm not a kid person (yet) but I'm going to be a godmother in a few days, and I'm getting excited about what I'm going to do with the girls in the future Christmas.. Maybe I'm coming around to the kid thing
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Okay the boyfriend is watching footbal and there is this player called RUDOLPH. Like the reindeer. That is AWESOME.
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Domlacha : Hi and welcome!! I like your goals, there is a lot of focus on the sport parts! I'm finishing a master too, in what field was yours?
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Okay, Rudolph guy just scored a touchdown. This reindeer football player rocks.
*** krampus : Oh freaking yeah on the 125! Artisan fair things are awesome ideas for gifts... I should hit someplace like that for my Christmas shopping! I don't know what to do with my life once we hit January neither. It's like I don't have any purposed anymore LOL it is so depressing taking the Christmas decorations down...
mottaini : carb-loaded day are awesome for many things, as they seem to boost metabolism and everything... But since I cut a lot of carbs, everytimes I carb load my stomach go OMG OMG CARBS STOCK EVERY THING. I really don't know what to say to you about you wanting to get another refeed day... If your weight is still going down, I guess why not? Do you feel you're losing to fast right now?
For the pictures, I'm a big fan of Memes, 9gags and stuff... I love to use stupid pictures to show how I feel Aahah!
kakers : Tons of good news for you! Congrats on the 140's number AND for the strike winning! (Did you find the 3 plates that disapeared?! LOL)
TheBunneh : A new haircut usually get me such a huge confidence boost Did you change your hair a lot?
Bayzee : I'm starting to think that escaping to some sunny place could solve all of ''Where are we going for Christmas'' problem We have 3 areas to go, and they are all scattered all over province of Quebec... Pleasing everyone is hard!
Pixellate : I'm so sorry to hear about your situation I feel that in this time of the year, where everything is like ''happiness, chrismtas, joy, yay'', feeling down always gets to an exponential state. If people think you got fired in interview, maybe you could mention that it was your decision to leave? But overall, I get you : if that can comforts you, I've been looking for jobs for week and I had ZERO interview yet.
LeilaJey : Ah, you posted while I was writing my 45 minutes long post! I can take your funny stomach/no drinking if you want to take my killmenow/hangover headache if you want to
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I'm feeling so BLAAAAH. Once I got up this morning and got stuff going, I was fine enough to survive through shopping for Christmas furniture and the car thing appointed (and another 770$ bite the stuff in car tires... HUHHHHHG). But then we got home and we had brunch, I hate 2 belgian waffles and some maple bourbon beans and we just... crashed. The boyfriend, the cat and I are all laying down, each on our couch/chair and we are BLAAAH. We decided to take a nap before working on the Christmas tree lol
3 years ago, I was able to stay up until 5AM, drink my life in beers and go to a biology class at 9AM. I feel I'm barely surviving today LOL
On a good side, a bought tons of sparkly Christmas stuff. I had to work my way with the boyfriend on getting a silver sparkly reindeer but I finally got what I wanted. WIN.
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Ugh, I have to face the facts Feathers; I'm JossFit, and I'm addicted to Arctic Zero... I can't have it in the house! I have to order it and then I have all these pints sitting there and I eats them all! LOL No more ordering it I guess. My husband has a grocery store right near the house that sells it so I'll eat in there when I can buy it a pint at a time.
I ended up going a bit over my calories today and yesterday, but nothing that really matters. I just ate too much AZ!
I'm getting used to the new running shoes and I'm loving how much better my feet feel already. Today was a cardio day for me so I did a lot of stairs and am slowly working my way back up to running a bit more. So far, so good.
Turbo - Thanks! haha I was feeling festive, but also kind of healthy and sort of frumpy so I found this picture and it seemed appropriate. I didn't make it, but it appears to be a cottage cheese snowman with carrot nose, raisin eyes and buttons with celery arms. Whoever DID take this picture is pretty creative!
I actually don't know how I manage to get out of that brace each night without waking up completely, but somehow I do! Just call me Houdini! hahaha
I know what you mean about not being able to hang like I used to. I'm tired now if I eat a big meal! I'm in bed by like 8:30 every night and I'm perfectly happy with that most times. I definitely can't drink and party and stay out all crazy late too often anymore. When I do it ruins me for days afterward.
Sparkly reindeer? Lets see!!
Leila - I was having rabbit poops for days and I don't know why because my diet was filled with lots of veggies and normal healthy stuff, but then I was driving in to the gym on Friday morning... OH MY GAWD. I thought "Oh wow, I have to go now. No seriously, now. Holy ****, today is the day... this is the day I'm actually going to $hit myself!" LOL I made it in time, but it was close! hahaha I get that scenario much more often than I get the rabbit turd situation. Pros and cons of being a fast pooping kettle bell swinger huh?
It sounds like you had a fun weekend though! Rabbit poops aside, I'm sure it was worth it right? Tasty stuff at least?
Pixelllate - Oh hunny, I wish I had some amazing perspective to share with you or some nugget of advice but all I can really say is just to hang in there! Do you have the extra cash to maybe go out and buy something new for your interview? I hate to think of you nervous on the interview AND feeling uncomfortable because you don't like your outfit. Maybe a friend has something fierce you can borrow?
Perhaps in the meantime you can battle that water retention as best as you can; drink lots of water, sit in a sauna and relax, try to put down the bread, do a little cardio, etc. I know you can get some of that off pretty quickly which will probably help your mood and confidence a lot.
OhThePlaces - Yeah, sometimes its a good idea to forgo the rest day and just do *something* to get yourself back on track. If you don't mind me asking, why were you having such a hard time the last few days? legit binges or a lot of social overeating?
haha my food pictures are funny because they always look like such small portions on my huge dishes. I actually don't spend much time at all cooking... everything is pretty fast and mostly one pan/pot meals. Especially the veggie/protein dishes; it all just goes in a pan and what comes out gets eaten!
Kakers - ROCKSTAR! Congrats on the weigh-in AND on winning the war with the dishes! You mentioned your hubby was 'in trouble' for something else... is that why he finally caved?
Bayzee - The brace is actually more comfortable than it looks. It's not painful, just awkward but as long as I'm laying down I feel okay with it. Evidently my subconscious disagrees and pulls it off when I'm sleeping though... haha
I love that you love your wine and really know what you like! I haven't ventured into reds yet because I don't drink that often, but I'm oh so slowly getting away from the super sweet stuff like Reislings and find myself going for pinot grigio or chardonnay now. I still love my whites, but reisling and moscatos are too sweet now. Maybe you could suggest a good 'beginner' red for me? Something sort of light and sweet?
Thebunneh - I find I do better when I set SPECIFIC goals, so maybe you will too! What have you come up with so far? I aim for a certain calorie range, plus a set number of weights and cardio sessions per week with a minimum amount of time spent doing the cardio (Otherwise I'll stop after 3 minutes... hahaha)
Mottainai - How is the homework coming along? I'm excited to go back to school but also nervous... I hate homework! You had scholiosis growing up? How is your back now?
Joss- No, I'll go in to why he is in trouble after personals, but it's not why he caved. He just is typically pretty awesome and after a day off with lots of sleep felt like being productive. Before he became LPO it was common for me to come home on his 2nd day off do a practically spotless house. And BTW I had never heard of Arctic Zero before, and after you mentioning it I had to look it up and I happened to find out one of our local stores carries it. I may have to try it.
Turbo- we found 1 missing plate. 2 still MIA but we have a lot of cleaning left to do, so I'm sure they will turn up. That hangover cat picture is hilarious and I am the same way, in college I drank plenty and had a hangover once. On spring break. In mexico. Now, I have like 2 drinks and drink water after and eat before bed and still wake up feeling like poo. So not fair!
mottainai- I don't know if that is bad form to only eat food you brought, but it sounds like something I would do. I'm such a picky eater often it's the food I bring that is the only thing I'm not scared to eat.
pixelllate- don't beat yourself up!!! Job hunting is SUPER stressful and you have to cut yourself some slack and be patient with yourself.
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Sticking below 150 still. I was worried today because yesterday I drank myself silly. Ok I had like 3 drinks. Maybe 4? I don't remember. But I didn't eat a ton so I guess it all worked out. Woke up feeling kinda yuck, but started feeling better. With our newly recovered dishes we cooked a nice brunch of bacon and chocolate chip pancakes. For dinner I made garlic cheesy bread. I haven't tracked my calories this weekend, and I'm debating backing away from tracking. We'll see.
So, yeah, my husband is in trouble. After I got up yesterday to him doing the dishes, I checked our account to make sure our checks had gone in and we had enough in there for rent. I was SHOCKED at our balance. Definitely not enough for rent, and for the 2nd month in a row he had money transfer out of our account before his scheduled transfer. So I asked him why, and where our money went and all he could say was "I don't know, I only have $40 in my account." Even though he said he was going to try and figure it out, he clearly never bothered to, even after I pointed out that we JUST got his paycheck and he'd already withdrawn/spent MORE than his last 2 paychecks worth. Instead of figuring out what was going on, he snuck out of the house and went for a walk for an hour without his phone or wallet or anything, because I was mad at him. NOT COOL. So tonight I made him print out his bank statement. Since late October there's over $2100 in fraudulent charges from his debit card!!!!! WTF! How do you NOT notice that when TWO MONTHS IN A ROW I point out that more money is being transferred than usual? It's like he didn't even bother looking to see what charges were there. And most of the charges are the same amount, $104.90 or $62.94. All he printed out was the statement starting Oct 19, so who knows how long this has been going on.
Now we don't have enough money for rent, my car and credit card payments are behind by a full month, and I have NO CLUE how we are going to be able to pay for Christmas presents for anyone. I'm hopeful that the bank will be able to refund us most of those charges but I doubt it will happen quickly. So blah. Yay stress.
But hey if I can't afford to buy us groceries it will continue the barely eating trend LOL
Just a quick check-in this morning. Pretty frustrated to see 116.0 AGAIN! I thought I would break it today, but I guess not! I did a day of RFL yesterday.
I have 3 weeks till my vacation and I want to drop a couple more pounds. At this rate, I'll be lucky to drop one. Sigh...
I'm back to 145 this morning, which makes me happy. I really want 143 to be my average again soon.
My goals each day are to stay under 1,800 calories and log everything. No more going into the kitchen and randomly getting three cashews. Yes, it's only three cashews, but when I do it a few times a day it adds up. If I'm that hungry I should make a real meal and log it...
For the questions regarding my hair: Yep, I'll post pictures when I dye it! (If I don't chicken out. ) My natural color is kind of a light/medium brown. It can have some coppery undertones in the right light. I usually dye it red if I dye it (haven't in a while because it's very prone to damage) but I feel like something new and bold.
Didn't change it much when I cut it. Mostly just a trim and some fresh layers to clean it up a bit. Plus I asked the stylist to thin it out a lot because my hair is reaaaally poofy.
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kakers Eeep! Can you contest the charges since they are fraudulent? We're really paranoid about stuff like that. My husband always double checks bank and credit card balances down to the pennies... (To the point where it irritates me sometimes but I see it could be worse! )
Joss I had an Arctic Zero problem for a while... it's so easy to justify eating a lot of it! I stopped buying it because I realized it didn't make me feel very good when I ate it.
Hi Feathers, I was late to work because I spent so long in the bathroom this morning. 124.2 - totally worth the poop-delay
This weekend was hectic. Saturday was karaoke night, my friend brought this girl he's seeing who is, to put it mildly, a dumb cokehead. She forgot her ID so my bf drove her back to go get it. Then she put in songs for us all to sing and started screwing around with the MC, messing up his papers (songs in correct order) and stuff like that and generally being a menace. We all miss this friend's old gf.
Yesterday I worked for 6 hours at a local bakery that needed extra help during my city's "Victorian Stroll" street fest. I stood outside in the wind selling (amazing) cookies and coffee/hot cocoa to pedestrians. It was COLD but I made $99 and only ate one cookie which I consider to be a MASSIVE victory.
Looking forward to crafting and relaxing after the gym tonight!
TheBunneh Good luck in your efforts to get strict in getting to goal - I'm excited to see photos of the black hair. My hair is basically black in a state of nature but I dye it darker just for the extra contrast.
Bayzee Wouldn't it be nice if as featherweights we could lose 2.5 lbs every week like people who start at higher weights do? Seriously. I still like crappy $10 bottles of wine but perhaps one day my tastes will refine themselves as yours seem to have.
kakers Hooray for the dishes and being under 150 - but whoooooa what's your husband buying that's emptying you guys out?! I hope it's nothing shady or some kind of horrible porn addiction or anything like that. Bacon and chocolate chip pancakes, yummmmmm.
JossFit So glad to see the food pictures have returned! I am going to start buying shirataki noodles - I have been craving pad thai and fettucine like a madwoman the past couple days. How many pints of Arctic Zero is it possible to eat at once?? I couldn't sleep with that foot brace on either, it looks super uncomfortable...
TurboMammoth Dude I get the worst hangovers now, too. I felt funny yesterday and I had only had 2 Corona beers the night before - but I never really mastered the art of drinking myself stupid without getting hung over, I just wasn't as aware of how my body felt.
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pixellate We've been talking but HUGSSSSSSS FOREVER for you. I'm glad you are doing a little better!
LeilaJey I somehow avoided the SOCIAL EATING trap this weekend. I imagine I will binge myself stupid on Thursday at a potluck dinner. Or maybe tomorrow at a BBQ, sigh. How are you doing otherwise?
mottainai Nah I don't think that's bad form. I do that too (salad) but I never stick to my "I'll mostly eat this" plan. Planning in general is f#%ked with me, I am terrible at it. Make sure the line between "refeed" and "binge eating on Thursdays" stays solid, yeah?
OhThePlaces Glad you are starting to feel more like your usual self. Binge haze is a terrible mental place to be in.
I'm finishing a master too, in what field was yours? 
I feel that in this time of the year, where everything is like ''happiness, chrismtas, joy, yay'', feeling down always gets to an exponential state. If people think you got fired in interview, maybe you could mention that it was your decision to leave? But overall, I get you : if that can comforts you, I've been looking for jobs for week and I had ZERO interview yet. 
) My natural color is kind of a light/medium brown. It can have some coppery undertones in the right light. I usually dye it red if I dye it (haven't in a while because it's very prone to damage) but I feel like something new and bold.
