For anyone interested in sticking with the old points system, I was able to find a few apps for my Android phone which will work. They're not as good as the online WW tools were, but... they'll do I think. There are probably similar apps for iphones and blackberries... maybe even some online tools I haven't found yet. Now I feel like I can officially cancel my WW Online subscription, and keep doing it on my own. If they'd just let us continue to access their old tools, they'd still be getting my money... oh well.

kk344 - I remember how upset I was when exchanges went out the window years ago. I had lost all my weight on exchanges and never found points worked as well. It was really hard for me to change from a program that worked for me so I do understand not being happy at changing from a program that has worked well for you.

Personally I have always felt points were flawed because they made it all to easy to fill up on junk food carbs hurting nutrition and causing a lot of satiety.

If they truly believe that the Points program is not as good nutritionally and weight wise as the new program I think they have a, well, moral obligation not to offer it.

I do agree that calculating is more difficult. For restaurants, most restaurants that offer calories nowadays has full nutritional info on their website. I've taken to looking it up before I go.

If I couldn't do that you can do a quick and dirty estimate of 40 calories per point adding more points if it has high fat or carbs. This isn't exact but can give you an idea until you are in a situation where you can look it up later. For me, I've come to realize that eating out is a big problem for me so I'm trying to eat out less and prioritize going to restaurant that are in the Dining Out book (which I keep in my purse).

I don't mind a bit of a challenge....it keeps things interesting.

I just need to know how to get a hold of a new calculator and scale without joining (doing it at home).

I even went to the WW online and I don't see it offered yet.....when will it come up as being able to order?

Anyone know?

Thanks,

Dawn

FWIW, according to my math genius hubby, dividing by 36 gives more accurate results. lol

40 calories?

I thought most 1 point items ranged from 50-75 calories depending on the fiber involved.

Maybe that was my problem!

I know that many things just didn't compute to me.....0 point canned soup was 0 points if you ate 1 serving, but was 2 points if you at the entire can........I ended up just counting it as 1 point per half can because otherwise I could eat the "almost a point but count as 0 points) all day long!

The exchange program with only 2 bread exchanges did work for me. I was hungry though and needed to add more veggies and fruit, which I didn't at the time.

I was also hungry all the time. Back in my 20s I didn't mind being hungry, but now (44) I seem to not tolerate it as much and will binge if I am too hungry.

Dawn





QUOTE=Koshka;3587958]kk344 - I remember how upset I was when exchanges went out the window years ago. I had lost all my weight on exchanges and never found points worked as well. It was really hard for me to change from a program that worked for me so I do understand not being happy at changing from a program that has worked well for you.

Personally I have always felt points were flawed because they made it all to easy to fill up on junk food carbs hurting nutrition and causing a lot of satiety.

If they truly believe that the Points program is not as good nutritionally and weight wise as the new program I think they have a, well, moral obligation not to offer it.

I do agree that calculating is more difficult. For restaurants, most restaurants that offer calories nowadays has full nutritional info on their website. I've taken to looking it up before I go.

If I couldn't do that you can do a quick and dirty estimate of 40 calories per point adding more points if it has high fat or carbs. This isn't exact but can give you an idea until you are in a situation where you can look it up later. For me, I've come to realize that eating out is a big problem for me so I'm trying to eat out less and prioritize going to restaurant that are in the Dining Out book (which I keep in my purse).[/QUOTE]

The new tools are showing there for me... it won't let me link to them though because I haven't posted enough... lol

Will this work? store.weightwatchers.com/productdetail.aspx?productid=5030022&categoryid=El ectronics Just copy and paste, that takes me to the new points calculator.

dawn, i am doing ww online this time, and i was able to hit the "shop" tab, and i ordered a new kit, 2 calculators, fruities, and some bars. i did all that yesterday.

40 calories (or 36) is to figure out the new points. The old points were roughly based on 50 calories per point (with more for fat and less for fiber).

The actual calculation for the new points is something like: (Fat)(9/35) + (Carbs)(19/175) + (Protein)(16/175) – (Fiber)(2/25), according to one post I saw. In other words, you can't figure it out accurately based just on Calories/Fat/Fiber any more.

okay, so maybe i missed something.........what is the difference between ww at home, and ww online, thought they were the same, but now......i am thinking they are different.

anyone know?

I thought they were the same too.

kk344 - I do realize that the 40 (or 36) is for the new program. I was just responding to you indicating that under the old program you could do an estimate based upon 50 and adding a bit for fat. You can do that for the new program as well but use a different base number and consider carbs as well.

You can just go to a meeting location and buy the calculator and scale. You don't have to join to buy the things they sell.

I went to my meeting today during lunch. Man that place was packed!! I am looking forward to the new program. I am nervous, as I think I should be, but I am going to give it a shot and see how it goes.

I was not a member of weight watchers when the Core program came out, but I know that the program was a flop. Does anyone remember if the hype on that program was more or less than the new PointPlus?

Unfortunately, I on the other hand, are on the flip-side of most of you where the old plan didn't allow me to lose more than 4 lbs. before i would plateau. At the time WW told me that i was eating too many carbs (maybe). The old plan to me was harder because like others have said, it was much easier for me to eat 1 and 2 pt snacks all day. This is like my 11th time joining and i think the fruit idea is great.

I have to say, at the end of day 3 i feel great and am down 3 lbs. (which i know is mostly water). But it's made me MUCH more full and my attitude is much better. I hope you all find this transition go smoother as the weeks go on.

I was not happy having to learn a new plan but honestly it's not that different.

Oh. I thought I had to be a member. Maybe I will pop over there.

Are the new scales out too?

Dawn