Doing our own thing #4 - Page 19 - 3 Fat Chicks on a Diet Weight Loss Community

Jello · 09-17-2002, 02:11 PM

Whew! I got lost too!!! Big joke on Jo disappearing like that!

Humph!

Just kiddin'! I guess 3FC decided we just needed more space for all our "stuff". (George Carlin says if it's yours, it's stuff and if it's someone else's it's s**t.)

Anyhoo...

Uh Tiff. Do those gym hootches have any brains to speak of? Sadly, sometimes the muscles increase and the IQ decreases. Which reminds me of an old WW commercial showing this short, bald, sorta heavy set guy who announces his reason for wanting to lose weight is so that people can "love me for my body and not just my mind".

It was cute!

Well, guess you had to be there.....

BTW Tiff, tea with lots of honey. Not great for the diet but helps the sore throat, I've found. Normally, I don't like honey but that's one time I use it. Hope you feel better. Then you can join us all in our happy

dance for you! I'm sorry about what happened at the WW meeting. Maybe it was just a one-time thing because there were a bunch of newbies?? If it happens again and again, you might want to try another meeting? Or ask the leader if there's anything she can do to change it. One thing I found when I was going to meetings is that WW really wants its members to be happy and keep coming (and paying). You can even call the main 800 number with any complaints if it comes to that.

Nurse, of course you weren't overbearing!! And I knew you were right. Gotta sit down with the dr. That's why he makes the big bucks after all, right?

Speaking of that, I scheduled an appt. for next Wednesday morning. I could have gotten in sooner but figured I might as well wait for Aunt Flo to get on her bus and hit the road. I told the receptionist that I wanted to have some extra time to talk with the dr. about all my troubles. Let's just see what he has to say.

Meanwhile, I think Flo knows that I'm trying to kill her. She's currently kicking me in the stomach and playing my head like a drum. But she will NOT keep me from going to the gym tonight! So there!

Gotta keep up with my "hootchiness" training....

DNW · 09-17-2002, 02:15 PM

Dear Tiffany, Dyanm1, Semo, Tigerlily, Semo, and Jello:

I very, very much want to be a "Gym Hootch", maybe that can be a new forum name for us? I loveChina..except she kinda got screwed on the voice a bit...it just doesn't match up with the rest of her...but she is my idol. I am too old for the spandex though (almost 54)

I lost 2 1/2 lbs. finally and i am sore from going to the gym and lifting, and walking in the cold and dark in the morning(ok i;m being a bit dramatic here...it isn't dark yet in nj at 7:15 AM in the morning yet...but it's only a matter of time)

I have to keep telling you all how much you all inspire me to keep on keepin on...what a gift this site is

Regarding the so-so WW meeting...that's why i don't go anymore...meetings go really expensive in no. j at $12 per week, and i wasn't get enough information. Overeaters Anonymous is much cheaper, just a donation, but you have to find the right group...sometimes (at least where i live) people have mental health issues too....and i am not real comfortable with that.

Love you all and i haven't even met cha' yet!!

Dyanm1 · 09-17-2002, 02:23 PM

Nursey~ Poo

,

I am so glad that you find us inspirational

, I got the warm and fuzzies. But don't forget we're all in this together. You too are an inspriation. I think we all are in our own way, and by just coming to this sight shows how commited we can be. I found this site in June of this year, and look at me go! I KNOW I wouldn't have made it this far without it or you lovely ladies. Oh yeah, side note: I was talking to my sister last night on the phone and she just wanted to to tell me she was so proud of me for starting this journey and staying with it for this long

. Ya gotta love her! She had made my night!

GROUPHUG

!

Thanks for the slide/point finder info.....I can be a little slow.

SEMO · 09-17-2002, 02:47 PM

Oh My Goodness, I was about to panic, thought they had deleted us. Whew.........

So D.Nurse, curious about the weight lifting, how much weight are you starting out with? I had read a post by MrsJim and she was avid about lifting as heavy as possible. What are they recommending for you? I'm such a wimp, my arms feel like jello and I think I'm doing good with five pound weights.

Let's just say that Gym Hotchies have no brains... at least they don't until we become Gym Hootchie Cootchies then they will be very smart...We're all going to look good in spandex one day.

We have cockle burrs too, along with ticks, mosquitoes, chiggers, fleas, and flies. We have it all.

19.5 pounds in one week, how can that be possible? And I agree, that it couldn't be healthy.

Slide ruler...sounds like too much work for me, but then that's probably why I'm where I am now.

Tigerlily · 09-17-2002, 03:31 PM

Speaking of tea....
a friend told me to put a little hershey's syrup in peppermint tea. could it be? could it taste like a peppermint patty?

i'll be trying it when the weather get chilly.

Tiffany123 · 09-17-2002, 03:36 PM

http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm

Site above is an easy place to check your BMI. When I started this diet, my BMI was 37.0. Today it is 31.7, so I am moving down.

Nice to see numbers that move DOWN instead of up. Especially before Thansgiving and Christmas. I am a candy maker for the Holidays, and I give fudge and divinity, etc for gifts...and I tell you what, after doing that for a couple of days, the mere smell of it makes you want to barf. So, I am thinking that I will still be doing that and shouldn't have a problem eating it all...I think I am at a place in my head, where I want what is best for me. I want to take care of my body and do nice things for myself. I have never in my life, honestly cared about myself. Now, it is nice to realize that I like myself. Even fat, I like myself, and want to have the best body I can.

It's the only one I will ever have, and I hate that I have abused it like this. If it were a car, it would have been LONG traded in.

Anyway, off on another tangent there. Glad to see everyone found us again!

Talk with you all later,
Tiff

DNW · 09-17-2002, 03:52 PM

Semo:

Maybe very heavy weights work for for Mrs. Jim, but she is also in mid-30's and has been doing this for a while.

As a healthy rule you start out with lower weights and work your way up. Generally when you do sets of repititions, the last rep should be a killer (in other words you feel like you can't do one more). Sets are usually 8-10 reps or 10-15 reps. When the current weight you are lifting is no longer a killer on the last repetition then you are ready to up to the next level which is generally 8 lb weights after the 5's. This should take about a month before it gets easy and remember only lift every other day. You need the day after the session to let your muscles recover and build tissue. You are in effect making microscopic injuries to your muscles and they repair themselves by producing more cells and therefore increasing the muscle size.

I get the following magazines: Shape, Fitness, and Muscle & Fitness for Her, every month and also swear by Karen Ande's book, "A Woman's Book of Strength". She tells her story and also gives very detailed and informative information on all the different lifts along with great pictures of how to do each move.

Note: If you lift moderate wieghts and do fadter repitions you will and burn fat, and gain muscle. If you lift very heavy weights you will increase your muscle size greatly over tiem. I don't think you are aiming for this....generally only serious body builders do this and if you look at the latest pics of Mrs. Jim it seems to me she is getting a little too muscular, but that's just me talking.

Most important never lift on an empty stomach and weight 1 hour or after eating. You also need a lot more protein when you lift for energy and to help you rmuscles develop.

Good Luck!!

DNW · 09-17-2002, 03:55 PM

Corrected my spelling, boy iwsh this thng had a spell check..it will make more sense now.

Quote:

Originally posted by deadnursewife
Semo:

Maybe very heavy weights work for for Mrs. Jim, but she is also in mid-30's and has been doing this for a while.

As a healthy rule you start out with lower weights and work your way up. Generally when you do sets of repititions, the last rep should be a killer (in other words you feel like you can't do one more). Sets are usually 8-10 reps or 10-15 reps. When the current weight you are lifting is no longer a killer on the last repetition then you are ready to up to the next level which is generally 8 lb weights after the 5's. This should take about a month before it gets easy and remember only lift every other day. You need the day after the session to let your muscles recover and build tissue. You are in effect making microscopic injuries to your muscles and they repair themselves by producing more cells and therefore increasing the muscle size.

I get the following magazines: Shape, Fitness, and Muscle & Fitness for Her, every month and also swear by Karen Ande's book, "A Woman's Book of Strength". She tells her story and also gives very detailed and informative information on all the different lifts along with great pictures of how to do each move.

Note: If you lift moderate wieghts and do faster repititions you will and burn fat, and gain muscle. If you lift very heavy weights you will increase your muscle size greatly over time. I don't think you are aiming for this....generally only serious body builders do this and if you look at the latest pics of Mrs. Jim it seems to me she is getting a little too muscular, but that's just me talking.

Most important never lift on an empty stomach and wait 1 hour or after eating. You also need a lot more protein when you lift for energy and to help you rmuscles develop.

Good Luck!!

Cafe976 · 09-17-2002, 03:59 PM

Hi !

I'm hanging in there - but I am still a little under the weather so a quick post per day is about where I'm at. (I did post yesterday, n'est ce pas?) Plus, at work... you know.

Kayla, Jello - you both have my support for different reasons! I think everything to say has already been said but I'm with you in spirit...

Dyan - 19.5?

On the other hand, you did say the person was on the 100-to-lose thread, and many who are overweight to that extent DO suffer from edema-type issues... AND you said she was on a diuretic (medication), so perhaps losing that much fluid wasn't unhealthy for her at all, and when assisted with medicine, it just happened???

I like your wait and see approach. At least this site is a healthy place where it is unlikely that even new people reading will assume they can lose that much fat in a week. You did good to vent in another forum.

Too tired to shout to everyone.

Germy kisses~

MrsJim · 09-17-2002, 04:00 PM

Excuse me...TOO muscular??? (sorry to butt in, but I saw my name being mentioned).

I don't think so...Remember, that women can only go so far since we have very little testosterone... Mistress Krista says it FAR better than I can... ( http://www.stumptuous.com/gymlies.html )

Quote:

LIE: Weight training will make you huge and masculine.

Probably the worst lie ever. People look at women bodybuilders and say, "Ohmigawd, they're huge and if I lift anything heavy I'll look like that too." Nope. In general, women are not able to build monstrous muscle mass in the same manner as men, due to a number of physiological factors. It's a rare woman that can become a competitive bodybuilder, and to get that big she has to combine genetics, extensive long-term training, strict diet, and supplementation (legal or otherwise).

If you enjoy watching bodybuilding, have a look at the tested (natural, i.e. steroid free) shows versus the untested (anything goes) shows. You will notice a great difference in the builds of the women onstage. A natural female bodybuilder is lean, almost wiry, and certainly not the mythical monsters whom exercising women fear resembling (have a look at my reader letters page to see some examples). Also, women bodybuilders do not normally have the low levels of bodyfat that they do while in competition. Low bodyfat makes muscles stand out, and it changes the contours of the face, making jawlines and cheekbones prominent, which contributes to a rather unnatural look. Bodybuilders about to go on stage for a competition look quite odd, actually, due to dehydration, extremely low bodyfat, and deep tans. During the offseason, competitors' bodyfat is higher, and in clothing, most wouldn't stand out as unusual in any way.

The average woman (that's you) cannot achieve a masculine monster look simply through strength training. You're not going to wake up after a workout and be huge. You don't believe me? OK, then, try to get huge. Just try. And see how far you get.

My current split:

Day 1 - Chest/quads
Day 2 - Shoulders/abs/calves
Day 3- Back/hamstrings
Day 4 - rest
Day 5 - Biceps/triceps
Day 6 - rest

And "heavy weights" depends on your definition of "heavy". Right now for example, my dumbbell shoulder press max is 8 reps with 22.5 pound dumbbells - the guys in my gym press at LEAST twice that on average. Dumbbell concentration bicep curls - 10 reps at 17.5 pounds (again, the guys at my gym usually use the 30-45 pound dumbbell ranges). All I'm saying is that you start where YOUR max is. For some people that would be 5 pound dumbbells - others, 10 -20 or more. But to make progress, once the weight gets too light, you MUST increase it - otherwise you won't make progress. Muscle adapts very quickly - especially for folks who are just starting out.

BTW I will be 40 on November 10th.

DNW · 09-17-2002, 04:27 PM

Dear Mrs. Jim:

No offense was meant or intended...I merely stated my opinion, and I am entitled to it, the picture of you in the shorts and tank top on your site makes you look too muscular.

Listen you have done a remarkable job of turning yourself into to an great example of what can happen when you put your mind to something and also are a role model for me and others. I am in awe of your accomplishments. Really!

The picture you just sent with your post is much softer and probably is a better representation of what you really look like now. I am glad you sent it since it doesn't look like the one of you in the shorts. You should know that sometimes pictures tend to over blow certain angles, especially if the ambient light is not correct, I do photography as a hobby so I know what I'm talking about. Perhaps that is what happened in the earlier picture.

But please don't take offense because I really admire you...but again, I do have a right to my opinion...and I see from what I have read on the many forums that people are constantly giving one another their opinion and advice and I feel I should have the same opportunity.

Since Semo only gave me information which stated that your advice was to use the heaviest weights possible I responded to that information.

I go to your site and have found very useful information, and am really an admirer. What you have done is nothing less than a miracle....but I will not retract...to me you look too muscular.

Tiffany123 · 09-17-2002, 04:28 PM

All I can say is Wow. You look beautiful.

I think that there is a lot of conflict with people about body-building/weightlifting. One thing is the myth about bulking up...and another is not being sure what to do or how much to start with. Mrs. Jim, thank you for the private message and I agree that the site you mentioned was perfect for giving all the information that I was looking for.

I also suggest looking at the Library for books on weight training. I like that term better than body building, because that brings to mind the bulky male competition types.

I think to get the kind of muscles that the women have in professional competition, you would have to be on a SERIOUS program...and that isn't what I am talking about. I like the idea of doing some weight training just to tone up my muscles. Especially the ones that don't get used by taking a walk. I want a little definition. And I think by doing some research, I can get there.

But again, this is an issue that varies from individual to individual. We won't all want to accomplish the same thing in a weight program.

Again, Barnes and Noble, Borders, etc...are packed with helpful books. Check your library, check the internet and absolutely read this site.....

http://www.stumptuous.com/program.html

There is a wealth of information there.

Tiffany

Tiffany123 · 09-17-2002, 04:31 PM

Sorry if my post was confusing, the first part was directed at Mrs. Jim and the rest to everyone else. LOL....

Anyway....moving on....

SEMO · 09-17-2002, 04:31 PM

MrsJim, you look wonderful! Let me say and I think I can speak for all of us here, that we in no way meant to insult or hurt your feelings. I had looked at your home page yesterday and was curious about the weight lifting. I've never tried it other than using weights with exercise videos (walk away the pounds, and ballalero, firm etc) I don't go to gyms and since D.Nurse is about my age (50ish) I wanted to know what her program consisted of. Again no offense was intended and I hope none was taken.

Mel · 09-17-2002, 05:08 PM

No offense Karen!

Ladies, I'm lifting twice the weights she posted, I squat 275 for my last set, I'm 48, and I'm sure not bulked up! Thanks to those heavy squats and lunges my formerly fat size 16 butt now fits into size 4-6 jeans depending on brand!

Keep on lifting!

mel