[Wannabehealthy]

Good for you, Trish. I think once you have done some intermittent fasting, hunger takes on a new personna. I remember how for years if i was going somewhere I would make sure I ate a good meal in case no food was available. As if I would get sick and die if I didn't eat. I didn't know what hunger felt like. Now I actually like the feeling of hunger and consider it a good thing....a sign that I'm not overeating. I always think I don't lose, but my weight went from 217 to the 180s and has been there for a while now. I feel like I'm always off plan, but lifestyle has changed. And I want it to continue to change.

DH has started to really like the Dr Oz show. I told him that of all the doctors he could listen to Dr Oz is the worst. So much of what he shows is bogus. However today he had a segment on Intermittent Fasting. D H asked me about it and I was explaining that it's what I do, or aim to do, by not eating after dinner. I didn't really pay attention so I don't know if what was said was correct as I know it. DH thought you eat continuously for 8 hours. LOL

So, sorry that I got off track. I would also not force food to a point that someone else recommends. I would listen to my own body and make sure I didn't go over. I think you will do very well with this. Do you think the pills really kept you from overeating or was it the IDEA of the pills. The mind can be manipuulated. I want my mind to be manipulated. I want to forget to eat instead of thinking about food 24/7. Even when fasting I am constantly thinking about the food I am not eating. I want to be going along with my day and then think " Oh, I'm hungry! ".

If the pills or shots really keep you from overeating, how will you do maintenance? Maybe by that time your body will be accustomed to less food. This is why I'm hoping it is the thought of the pills/shots doing it. I feel as though maybe I could lose just riding on your coat tail. You are changing your diet by reducing fat. Just that alone has to do something. This is interesting and it is causing all sorts of thoughts to run through my mind. It reminds me of when my friend bought this drink from QVC and said it really works. Then she switched to WW and said that really works. Now she cut carbs and says that really works. So she is very good at following diet plans and any plan you stick to will work. I am having good thoughts about this that it will teach you a new way to eat.

[fatmad]

I knew you could do it Pipsicle! Well done. I hope you can switch over to 2MAD for yourself as well, now that you have done an extended fast it won't be so daunting. Perhaps once a week and you will soon see big changes. You can be really proud of yourself. Glad it also shows on the scale.
I am below 152 today. Plan is to eat today and tomorrow.
I don't have any major side effects from Wellbutrin. I am very sensitive to the effect that gives me urinary retention so I get bladder infections easily if I am not very careful to take my time and empty completely. It was worse with effexor and zoloft which is part of the reason I stopped those, and switched to Wellbutrin. It seems I have enough of a mood disorder that I can't really get off the antidepressants. I am on a very low dose however. I believe its not necessary for most people to have a high dose for "addiction" care, which is for quitting smoking and impulse eating.
Going to the farmers market today. I have been successful in doing most of my meat shopping there. I plan to get boneless thighs today and plan a couple of chicken dishes, one for tonight and one for later in the week.


I will also buy some of the GF "Keto" scones that I like as I have a date for a tea party with a neighbour and her delightful 3 year old this afternoon. I love my friendships with the kids here. Last night another neighbour called, her son was upset because they passed a car accident that looked like my car, and her was worried for us. I spoke to him and reassured him I was fine, and we made a plan for a visit. This is the kid who helped with my butterflies in the summer. Its nice to have friends of all ages, isn't it?

I also saw an old friend yesterday at the meeting I attended. She has struggled with her weight all her life, and was very interested in the Diabetes Code. And then I have to leave it there, right? I shared information with her, and have to hope she can find a path to better health, Her doctor did suggest she try fasting! so supportive. After this though, I must not ask or judge unless she brings it up. I just pray for her to be able to manage this part of her life.

Hope everyone has a good, on plan day

[pattygirl63]

FBG 138 and new low weight is actually 211. I've now dropped 2.2 lbs since I got the shot Tuesday morning. So this is definitely working. My FF yogurt didn't set. It still had liquid on top so I threw it out. I will either continue using the full fight or I will buy the low fat or ff Greek yogurt I used to eat. I figure the FBG will be a little higher because the shot some how makes the cells release fat and it turns to glucose to move out much like when fasting. I asked the dietitian about that and she agreed saying it would get better as time goes along.

Carol Sue I never used to worry about getting hungry if I didn't eat since food wasn't all that important to me, but since all this dieting over the years I noticed that I always seem to think I need to eat before I go any where, especially if I'm going to be gone for very long.

I asked DS about her doctor referring her to this place because I thought about emailing my doctor about what I'm doing. She said her doctor actually sent her there for her to have the surgery, but when she got there for her appointment, she learned that they would help you by giving the shots and working with your diet etc without having the surgery. So that is how we got into this. This helps me because this is not just one of those "diet" places that my doctor said he didn't think worked. This is a plan to help you see if you can do it without the surgery. This is why I actually trusted this place and their info. Saying that, it doesn't mean I have to do anything that I don't feel comfortable with. In fact, after reading the goal plan and talking to the NP I see, I think a modified Atkins (not high fat) or South Beach or even the new DASH diet would work with these guidelines. I know SBD worked pretty good for me although I never went as low in fat as he said because I knew that you need some fat and they say that here in this plan. In fact, avocados or guacamole is on the 5 day sample meal plan.

I ate breakfast a little early this morning since I'm trying to get on a routine where I eat about the same time everyday. I may end up with the 10 hr eating window. However, I really don't want to have any snacks during that time. I think the pills would have actually worked for me in time, but I feel like I am getting more of a jump start to getting the weight moving down with the shots and at the same time I'm learning where I need to tweak things in my diet to not only continue the weight loss but I want this to help me get into a lifestyle of eating that I can live with the rest of my life so that I it will become so much a part of my life that do not ever have to diet again so that I be able to maintain. I feel like you and I have a lot of knowledge of all the things we've read and learned about diets and now I'm learning how to bring it all together into One Plan that works for me personally. I don't know if the pills and shots are manipulating my mind or not. I just know that for some reason nothing consistently worked for me before and I am just hoping this will.

I don't think I'm going to worry about getting on their app to much. I'm using MFP and I'm just printing out the pages like I always do and I will make copies and take them to them when I go for the shots. They can look at them and then email me their suggestions.

Mad It is so nice that you have so many young people around you. I honestly believe they keep us young. I do miss having children around. That is sweet that the little boy was worried about you and glad you were not in the accident. Thanks for the info on Wellbutrin. I don't want to add any meds that I don't need.

This has been a busy week and the rest of it will be too. Go meet DS and Daddy at CHF today. I need to tell them not to make the appt. on 2nd Thursday of the month as it knocks him out of going to a local church luncheon on that day which he enjoys. Or to at least make it later so he can do both. Tomorrow is beauty shop and we go see Daddy on Saturdays.

Have a great day everybody.

[fatmad]

Trish: I am happy for the weight loss, that's a big shift very quickly. Well done.
I bought chicken to make for supper, but after the tea party with my little neighbour, I am really full and can't imagine eating again. LOL.
They are forecasting freezing rain tomorrow, that could affect my visit with my cousin. Dang

[pattygirl63]

Thanks Mad. I'm sorry the weather may prevent you from seeing your cousin. That is a bummer. Is that your cousin who has cancer?

I may find I will have to stop eating today because we had chili and of course it is high in sodium and fat since DH only likes Hormel. I put it in the crockpot before I left to meet Daddy and DS at CHF so DH could eat if I didn't get back to cook. However, Daddy's appointment went much faster than usual so I was able to go by the store and get home in time to have dinner with him. I got my favorite Greek yogurt and needed to get some more cauliflower for DH and decided to pick up some chicken legs and thighs since they want me eating more chicken. If I can get by without eating anything else today, then I will end up with a 7 hr eating window today.

Carol Sue I told DS that they wanted me to eat 3 meals and 2 snacks but there is no way I can do that. She said she doesn't do that. I don't intend to eat that many meals and snacks either.

I decided this morning that since this is a high protein, low fat, low carb diet plan that I am going to work at staying more low carb, high protein and moderate fat. I think eating that way will help keep me from wrinkling so much. I did hear from the exercise coach and I shared with her my goals and she suggested that I work to increase my bike exercises to 30 minutes 3 - 5 days a week and alternate some walking with it which is what I had told her was my goal. It seems this is what she tells most of her patients. I was hoping for some advise on some back strengthening exercises but didn't get any. I still hope losing weight will help with some of that.

This has been a busy week for me and still have to go to beauty shop in the morning and go see Daddy Saturday. I hate to say that I'm really tired tonight.

Y'all have a great evening.

[Wannabehealthy]

I am reading a book I got free from Amazon about intermittent Fasting 2019. I am so glad I didn't pay for it. It is so poorly written. It seems it was written in another language and poorly translated to English. It's laughable!! Half of the sentences don't even make sense.

[Wannabehealthy]

We went to the casino. It was terrible. We enjoyed the buffet but DH couldn't get on the machines he likes. These old people seem to be there every day, no matter what day we go. He played some other machines but didn't like them as much, plus on the way home he told me he forgot to use his free play. If you don't use it its gone. He says he's never going again and I told him I will never believe him again. I just give up. I hate it so much I don't know how i will get through it again.

Rant over.

[fatmad]

Oh Carol: you can rant all you want. Like you say, you know he will go again and you will get in the car so you will go again. Sometimes we do things we don't want to do, just to be part of things with people we care about.
Yes Trish, its my cousin with cancer that I am visiting. I hope I can do it without a lot of tears. I have not seen her since the diagnosis as terminal. I don't want to bring her down or make it about me. So I plan to take her holiday shopping. Do things so that we don't dwell on things.
I did well yesterday and weight is 152 today so all good.
But I will be eating again today. I did something unusual and ate already this morning, and will eat while visiting my cousin, (the weather looks ok so I am going).
Then I will fast the rest of the day and into tomorrow. We are having supper on Saturday at a restaurant for a friend's 50th birthday, so I will fast from lunch time today until then.
But I will have a trip to the market again tomorrow morning to get food for early in the week.
Hope everyone has a good Friday

[Wannabehealthy]

Sorry to hear of you.r cousin's diagnosis but I think spending time with her is the best thing for both of you. Make the best of the time she has left. Many people stay away at times like this because they don't know what to say. I hope you make good memories with her.

I wanted to skip breakfast today after all the food I had yesterday but I was hungry. That happens. The more I eat the hungrier I get. So I had eggs and bacon. It is very satisfying to me and should keep me from eating until dinner. I read that eating lots of vegetables lowers cortisol so that's what I want to do. Now to stick to my plan.

[pattygirl63]

FBG 118 and weight 211.6 so bouncing. I'm sure the bounce was the chili which isn't surprising. I usually gain 2 or 3 lbs after chili so I consider this progress.

Mad My heart goes out to you in this situation. My prayers will be with you for a good visit and that the Lord will give you strength to be there for your cousin. It isn't easy to watch a loved one who is slipping away from us. We have to just try to remember to be thankful and treasure each and every moment we have left with them.

Carol Sue I am so sorry about the casino experience. Like Mad said we know he will go again and you will go because that is what we do with those we love and want to be with. Maybe by the grace of God, he will finally get so dissatisfied with his bad experiences that he will stop, but until then we know how addictions are and this seems to be his vice. You vent when you need to. That is one nice thing about our little thread is that we can do that. Hope today will be a better day.

I got an email with an article in it from Dr. Fung's new Fasting site on milk. I printed it out so I can read it again. Looks like I may have to give up dairy. I only skimmed over it but it seems to be a catch 22 thing. Dairy proteins stimulate high levels of insulin. Partially due to the incretin effect. I need to look up an article that she refers to that Dr. Fung wrote titled "Is Dairy Fattening". She says that most dairy products score extremely low on the glycemic index, but very high on the Insulin Index. I think we need a list of foods that raises Insulin.

I got to get out of here and get to the beauty shop. I will read the article I printed out and let you know what else it says when I get back.

Hope everybody has a great day.

[Wannabehealthy]

I don't expect DH to give up the casino completely but so many times I suggest we go once a month or even twice a month. He agrees. Maybe he means it at the time but the next week he wants to go again. I try not to think of him being addicted, but in my heart I know he is, and I am enabling him. Those are very hard thoughts to accept.

Trish, I always lost well when I drank milk, and have not dropped pounds since I stopped. I never considered it a detriment to my weight loss or to my blood sugar. It may effect someone else differently.

I just read a couple articles about milk/insulin. What I got from it is that milk does raise insulin but increases insulin sensitivity. We need insulin. When we eat, blood sugar rises. Insulin pushes blood sugar into the cells to be used for energy. It is when we are insulin resistant that levels stay high for long periods of time. This is probably why they had me drinking milk when I was diagnosed with type 2.
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[pattygirl63]

Carol Sue I didn't mean to imply your DH has an addiction. It could be that he just enjoys playing and was disappointed with the out come of not winning the past few times. I know my Daddy says he used to love playing poker and he absolutely loved it. He gave it up when he became a Christian and decided to become a minister. Heck I play the Lottery and don't think of myself as being a gambler. I just figure someone is going to win and why not me. There are times I do not want to stand in line to get a ticket but most of the times I still buy them.

As for the dairy, I do try to drink my coffee without cream, but I just can't. For one thing it gives me indigestion another thing is that I prefer it. I can start using the non-dairy creamer and drink just 2 cups of coffee instead of the 3 I usually drink now although I'm not sure it is a bad thing if I want 3. I've heard you need 2 to 3 servings of dairy for strong bones and I usually have 8 oz of milk and once in a while I have a string cheese or a pinch of shredded cheese on my eggs for breakfast. I just am not sure I have enough to cause me any problems. I guess I think strong bones is far more important. However, I know I could be wrong, but I won't give it us at this time since I don't think it has been a problem for except when I got off of it and I really think not using it like I should have was the reason my bones got weak. I will still see if I can find out what Dr. Fung has to say about it and keep an open mind.

[Wannabehealthy]

Trish, I, myself think that DH is addicted to gambling. He plays the lottery, too. The casino has really cut back. You don't see people winning like they used to. It's something to do once in a while, not every week. They are building a new casino 25 miles from here. I am in big trouble!

[fatmad]

I had a lovely visit with my cousin. She didn't want to go out to do anything so we just stayed at her place and chatted.
She is going to a concert next week with my sister. I didn't realize that my sister and I, who have always seen her a couple of times a year outside of our big family gathering, see and communicate with her more often than her brothers do. I guess it isn't uncommon, we were friends as well as cousins growing up, so maybe have more in common with her. In any case, we are happy to keep up these visits.
She looks great and you would never know she has cancer and its terminal. She started chemo last week, but had to put her cat down the same day. She cried more about that than herself. Not a surprise. Its fresh and painful. And now her house feels empty. That's going to be hard.
We have no idea how long she will have. The chemo is maybe going to help shrink the tumours and give her time but with quality of life. I hope and pray it will do so. I told her I will commit to helping her die the way she wants to, and help her family with that, including providing nursing care. I hope that's a long way off though.

So not much new otherwise, except that I ate when I got home, because sadness does that. I won't be upset with myself, I will be gentle with myself and not judge.
I hope everyone can do that the days we don't quite manage our plans.

[Wannabehealthy]

Glad you had a nice visit, Mad. She needs your kindness.

My blood sugar was 129 this morning. I know I will be disappointed with My A1c in December. I just hope it isn't too much of a bump up. I was eating so much chocolate candy and cookies. I don't even like the cookies that much. And bread. It is supposed to be once in a while. I know what I'm supposed to do. I have improved, but not enough. Two days now I wanted to skip breakfast but didnt. I know the eggs are low carb and low calorie and they are not my problem. I need to work on the carbs at dinner, and keep the meal small. Eat to hunger is what works. Lots of veggies. I know I can do this. I've done it before. I need to keep talking to myself about this until I am back on plan 100%. I know it's important to eat what I like and I do like vegetables very much. But it's easier to mistreatment DH is having.


Last night I had very bad indigestion. Very strong burping, almost painful. I waited too long hoping it would go away then took Pepcid. The dose is 1, but it says no more than 2 in 24 hours. I have never taken 2 and don't want to start. Once I fell asleep I slept well. This is something I get when I eat onions but as far as I know I had none. I ate half of a hamburger that DH made. No onions that I know of. I hope I don't get that again. My Pepcid is old. Might be expired.

Back to Walmart today. Hope I stick to my list.