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srmb60
07-01-2010, 08:28 AM
Good morning and happy Canada Day!

If you're wondering just what Primal means, here's a link to help you.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/
Welcome to all!

Morning regulars! Well, how did June go? Got any thoughts and plans for July?


srmb60
07-01-2010, 08:42 AM
Ok here we go. I did a ridiculous amount of measuring this morning ;)

I lost 1/2 pound and 3/4 in in my hips. And I have massive calves for the size of me.

In an effort to find something else to track (since I'm pretty sure my composition is changing far more than my weight ever will now) I tried body fat percentage. Using my scale and three different online calculators, I'm somewhere between 21 and 24 % ... not bad for an old girl!

As for July ... I still haven't worked any lifting in with any consistency. I sound like a broken record ;)

koceank29
07-01-2010, 08:42 AM
Happy July! Today my hubby and I celebrate our 10 yr wedding anniversary! It's a good day!

I have a busy day so I'll be back later with some thoughts on June and changes for July.

Have a great day everyone!


tymaboy
07-01-2010, 09:08 AM
koceank29- Happy Anniversary! Any special plans tonite?

Bob- is it the beginning of the month that you let everyone know how you did? Its sounds like you did a great job in June & am curious to how you did.

Susan- Better becareful we dont want you to wither down to nothing. I could not imagine being a size 2. I would be very happy if I was able to get that small. I was happy at size 5 as a teen & in my 20s.

I want to say THANK YOU to all of you here. I think this thread is just what I needed. I hopped on the scale this morning & it read 142. I have not measured myself which I know I should. I was staying right at 144 before Susan found me, I finaly got a loss. I do expect it to go back & forth between 143 & 142. I still have quite a bit of reading to do on the Primal Blueprint but I have been thinking I am having an easier time then what I was trying before.

Does anyone run here? My DS is a runner & would like me to start running with him. I cant run & have to work myself up to it. I am just wondering how I would handle the carbs if I try to run with him. Or can I run & stick to what I am doing?

BibBob
07-01-2010, 12:11 PM
I'm in a little hurry but the news is good and bad. The bad news is this nonsense is giving me insomnia. I am now 33 hours into a fast save a little coconut milk in my coffee. In those 33 hours I have walked 5-6 miles three times. So, I think once the body adjusts to infrequent meals that are large enough to include optimum nutrition, energy concerns and fasting are not an issue. Melatonin or Acetyl L Carnitine may be acting like a stimulant though. I just added them for the insomnia and other issues and I am charged up.

I walked to the docs to squeeze every pound out of this weigh in and....












:carrot:26 more pounds!:carrot:

srmb60
07-01-2010, 12:21 PM
Awesome!

Ilene
07-01-2010, 12:33 PM
:woohoo: BOBBERS !!!!! Way to go SO proud of you :bravo:

(btw we have a cat named Bob and his nickname is Bobbers)

Tyma -- I run 3x/week and this was a big fear of mine, almost a phobia that I would pass out even when I was eating carbs I was afraid I would faint for lack of them.... BUT I didn't and I won't, I only do 5-8kms, I've never had a problem. I think if you're an elite athlete, yes, you would need special needs for carbs, but not us regular recreational runners...

Ilene
07-01-2010, 12:40 PM
My stats lost 1 lb ... better than a gain I guess :shrug:

Weight: 154.8
Chest: 35.25 (+.75) :shrug:
Waist: 29.3 (-.25)
Hips: 39.5 (same)
Thigh: 22.75 (-.25)

Weird numbers ... but I feel good...

katerina11
07-01-2010, 02:54 PM
JUNE
Weight: 280
Chest: 54
Waist: 48
Hips: 56
Thigh: 32

JULY
Weight 278
Chest 55 (+1??)
Waist 46 (-2") :carrot:
Hips 55.5
Thigh 32.5

Only 2 pounds lost, but I am thrilled that it's two inches from my waist.

katerina11
07-01-2010, 02:56 PM
BibBob WOW!! :carrot::carrot:

I am not up for 40 hour fasts yet, but I might consider it looking at your losses!

wildviolets
07-01-2010, 03:20 PM
Wow Bob! I'm so happy for you.....and the rest of you as well. I just had a hotdog (with bun) and french fries with cheese because i was out with a bunch of moms and their kids that I don't know well and I caved. I now feel like crap physically and mentally. Oh well.

Anyway, just wanted to congratulate you all on your progress!!!!

srmb60
07-01-2010, 03:43 PM
I think we should be happy that were not losing our boobs :devil: I've done that on a very low fat diet too!

Of all the crappy things out there ... I don't mind some fries once in a while. Maybe not primal but they're not grain, sugar or chemicals.

tymaboy
07-01-2010, 04:12 PM
Good job Bob!!!

wildviolets- Its Ok it happens to all of at one point or another. You still have the rest of the day to make better choices & there is always tomorow.

BibBob
07-01-2010, 06:59 PM
I have a journal over at MDA. This is my post today if any of the information is inspiring. hehe I think that little compliment went to my head.

So as the winter deepens and food becomes more scarce, I'm going to fast every other day in July.

Here's a great link from Dr. Eades discussing my fasting program. (http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/intermittent-fasting/fast-way-to-better-health/)

I also cannot help but think calorie restriction, despite it's bad name, may be the correct way forward for me permenantly. If I IF it just isn't that hard to keep my calories very low. The first half of Dr. Eades post and current and past experience have me thinking I just may be a candidate. I do intend to IF as a habitual lifestyle.

Here's a gal who did the exact every other day eating program. (http://musingforces.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=34) Her story is inspiring to me.

And one of the most cited studies. (http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/81/1/69)

I know I may be pushing it, but I'm not carrying this weight an y longer than I absolutely have to. My plan when I started was 100 pounds in 4 months. I'm 3 pounds ahead of schedule but the going will get rougher. We'll see how July goes with 15 all day fasts. My goal should have me around 290 at the end of the month. That is my old wall. I have plateaued there twice and gave up. If all goes well, August will be even more challenging, and I will likely break juice fasting out of the weight loss tool shed. Primal juice fasting. There will be no plateau.

I'll post before and afters when this winter idea is over.

Ilene
07-01-2010, 09:03 PM
I have a journal over at MDA. This is my post today if any of the information is inspiring. hehe I think that little compliment went to my head.

So as the winter deepens and food becomes more scarce, I'm going to fast every other day in July.

Here's a great link from Dr. Eades discussing my fasting program. (http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/intermittent-fasting/fast-way-to-better-health/)

I also cannot help but think calorie restriction, despite it's bad name, may be the correct way forward for me permenantly. If I IF it just isn't that hard to keep my calories very low. The first half of Dr. Eades post and current and past experience have me thinking I just may be a candidate. I do intend to IF as a habitual lifestyle.

Here's a gal who did the exact every other day eating program. (http://musingforces.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=34) Her story is inspiring to me.

And one of the most cited studies. (http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/81/1/69)

I know I may be pushing it, but I'm not carrying this weight an y longer than I absolutely have to. My plan when I started was 100 pounds in 4 months. I'm 3 pounds ahead of schedule but the going will get rougher. We'll see how July goes with 15 all day fasts. My goal should have me around 290 at the end of the month. That is my old wall. I have plateaued there twice and gave up. If all goes well, August will be even more challenging, and I will likely break juice fasting out of the weight loss tool shed. Primal juice fasting. There will be no plateau.

I'll post before and afters when this winter idea is over.Such great information Bob... I was jus thinking about before and after pics of you, can't wait to see them...

tymaboy
07-01-2010, 09:19 PM
I finally broke down & measured myself. I still have measurements from 2008. Its not pretty. I have gained almost 4 inches on waist & thighs & a little over 7 inches on my hips! What an eye opener.


Waist-32.5
Abdomen-34
Hips-39.5
Thigh-22
Calf-12.5
Arm-10

srmb60
07-02-2010, 07:16 AM
Good morning!

I'm anxious to see befores and afters of Bob too.

Tymaboy ... you'll be so glad to have those measurements for comparison!

Ilene
07-02-2010, 12:32 PM
Just back from the gym and a little shopping spreeeee!! I had to buy size 6 pants :woohoo: ............so happy with that... an NSV for sure because the scale barely moved....

koceank29
07-02-2010, 12:51 PM
Finally I have a minute! Whew, busy day yesterday, I had 2 houses to clean then hubby and I had a nice Primal anniversary meal, some shrimp, veggies and red wine.

So June was not great for my numbers...5 Lbs lost, 1" in my hips lost.
I think the lack of exercise and the abundant amount of coconut milk may have been my downfall. I am happy with the weightloss though and I fit into smaller clothes and still have more energy than I know what to do with!

July is going to be good though...I am implementing more fasting(thanks to Bobs links)and I started today. I had a large breakfast and am fasting until breakfast tomorrow or lunch. I also am going to get back to my exercise on a more frequent basis, since my DS got out of school our schedule has been off track, so I'm thinking how to fit my exercise back in this month. I'm shooting for big numbers for Aug 1st!

WAY TO GO BOB!!!!!TRUELY INSPIRATIONAL WHAT YOU'RE ACCOMPLISHING!

Ilene
07-02-2010, 01:40 PM
So June was not great for my numbers...5 Lbs lost, 1" in my hips lost.Kara, ...IMHO I don't think the coconut milk hindered your weightloss at all .... those are great numbers :bravo:

I forgot to mention that last week I did some IFing... I ate supper at 5 or 6 then would have lunch the next day at 11-12, so 18-19 hours of fasting... it was easy peasy...

wildviolets
07-02-2010, 02:12 PM
Ok,
I'm starting today and my measurements are as follows:
weight=181
chest=43
waist=38
hips=45

Boy is that depressing.....oh well hopefully in August I'll have something to show for my efforts.

I figured if I posted this, it would keep me accountable.

I need to read all that info you guys have posted. You are all so knowledgeable. I love this primal way of living because I feel so darn good on it (no stomaches or headaches and I can sleep!) and all the health info is just interesting to me. Plus the food is so satisfying it's almost too easy. Of course I haven't kept good track of my carbs and I'm starting today. That's going to be the hardest part for me. I hate to track everything I eat because I cook alot of what I eat and it's a pain.

I appreciate all the info you guys share and your food/recipe ideas. It really helps and motivates me.

wildviolets
07-02-2010, 02:20 PM
Also I forgot to mention my goals.....I'd like to exercise more. I go to the gym 2 times a week and on the other days I walk/swim/bike etc.

I have so many opportunities to exericse. I have a 5yo boy who just learned to ride a bike and we live on a bike trail! Also we have a pool and I have numerous things in my house that can provide exercise (ex bike, treadmill, wii, exercise dvds, etc.) So really I have no excuse NOT to exercise more.

SO I'd like to exercise for an hour 6 days a week.
Also I'm intriqued with the IF. I'd like to start doing that at least once a month, maybe more if I can do it.

BibBob
07-02-2010, 08:20 PM
Here's a poor quality before pic.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4067/4653323802_8456dcb885_m.jpg

And here's a story that really motivated me. That pic is April 28th in Staples Center, $350 seats for a Laker playoff game. Man, I hated going to games last season, so fat! I'm wearing black short in the pick. You can see a piece of my leg. What you cannot see is my knees are literally jammed into the seat in front of me. It was painful and made me squirm. When I squirmed, I bumped the back of the chair enough that the guy sitting in front of me got sick of it. Sigh, I felt awful. The seats next to me are empty because the person from one side was taking my pic, and the other was not there yet. A nice couple showed up a few minutes later and the husband had to sit on the end because he had a cast on his foot. His wife was next to me, and I could tell immediately she wasn't to pleased to pony up 3 bills for to be crowded into a seat. It was easty to see the disappointment in her eyes. I asked her about it. She said she felt claustrophobic sitting next to me. Ugh. Don't judge her though. She would have just kept her mouth shut and been miserable if I didn't start the conversation. So I switched seats with the guy who took the pic, a 150 pounder. And I crammed in next to him and my sister, who is to the right of me in that pic. I was wedged into that seat and the unforgiving steal sides hurt my hips for two and a half hours. This happens at amusement parks too. I wanted to do a ride with my daughter last year at Disneyland and the harness wouldn't latch. Crap. Stop the ride! Make a scene. Must remove fat man from seat. Sheesh, embarrassing for me and my kid. Let's not talk about airplanes. It's miserable being huge. Right before signing up here at 3FC I had company over for bbq. As dinner was served, I sat in the "head of the table chair". You know, one of the two with armrests. I had stopped sitting there because it was tight, but with company and all, I took the head seat. My *** wedged the armrests apart and that chair exploded beneath me. Sigh, so embarrassing. I have a huge head, XL hats are usually tight, but in that pick it looks undersized compared that "body" beneath it. Anyway, this is the type of stuff that made me decide to do it, do it fast, and whatever works has to be the way I eat forever. I was prepared to be a raw vegan or just not eat, if necessary. I would rather be lean, comfortable, happy, not embarrassing to myself or my daughter, not in pain every morning, able to buy clothes with no worries, enjoy Disneyland, Laker games, BBQs and so much more; than eat.

The early September post winter pics will be better quality but I despise fat porn. God why do they do that!? Strip some 350 pound embarrassed person down to his or her undies and show the world? Not cool. I hate the Biggest Loser and all the fat porn copycats. I am taking pics in an orange shirt on the first of each month. I deliberately picked a very tight shirt that is not very tight now. :)

BibBob
07-02-2010, 08:28 PM
Also, my brother lost his job today and will be moving in with me again. He is the ultimate junk food SAD eater. I am serious. He will eat donuts for breakfast, McDonalds for lunch, and whatever for dinner always followed by a big dessert. Boxes of cookies disappear around him daily. He is 5-11 and 185 pounds and can't gain weight. I am not looking forward to this, but his company is always welcome. That's him next to my sis. :)

Edit: Just got off the phone and it appears bro is going to stay in LA. Whew!

kamesennin
07-03-2010, 03:30 AM
Hi! Wondering if I can join your thread! I have the Primal Blueprint book and am looking to really get serious. I've been in denial about grains hands-over-ears lalalala for a few years now. But I'm ready since nothing else has worked. Lost a few pounds just by giving up on coffee and going mostly gluten free so I am going to stick this out. Dh says I look better and smaller and I haven't even done much!

I have about 85 lbs of lean muscle mass--should I be getting around 85g of protein per day? It's hard to figure out what to eat since I am so short and don't need much.

Nice to meet all of you!

koceank29
07-03-2010, 07:18 AM
Welcome kameesennin! I think on the protein side you are aiming for .7-1g per lb of lean body mass, so 85g or a bit less is good. Sounds like you are ready, you will most likely notice tons of body recomposition as your fat starts burning. Just remember, fat is a good thing now, its hard to get used to, but butter/coconut oil/olive oil/fats from meat are okay...I still have to remind myself that fats are good and not to be scared of them.

Bob- So glad you shared that photo and story with us, really puts things in perspective of where your journey started. Good idea about the orange shirt, you will swimming in it soon enough.

koceank29
07-03-2010, 07:22 AM
Thanks Ilene...5 lbs is good, it just pales in comparison to my April loss of 24lbs. Of course that included lots of water weight, but I'd like to get at least 10 for July.

I just drank a cup of coffee so that ended my 24 hr fast, although I won't be eating food until 12-1ish. Still in fat burning mode, I have penny mouth and my sweat is ammonia smelling, can't believe thats a good thing, yay for fat burn!

BibBob
07-03-2010, 12:51 PM
In a hurry again. Going to the airport to pick up bro, and trying to leave early enough to hit a good farmers market. BUT, Kara? 24 hours? Are you nuts!? :D

I have more to say (and encourage) about the combo of intermittent fasting and primal eating. There's some great online sources like Eat Stop Eat that you have to pay for unnecessarily. The body building "cutters" have discovered it and their unforgiving attitude toward fat people makes the sites a little disturbing. Funny the multi meal frequency dogma came from them. The "gainers" are doing great with multi meals, but the cutters didn't have much luck after some 20 years of bogus metabolism acceleration.

A retired MD, Dr. Herring, put together the Fast 5 lifestyle in a free e-book (http://www.fast-5.com/content/welcome) I highly recommend. Just incorporate the foods we believe in to his schedule and the combo is life-changing for me.

There are certain people, hypoglycemic and known eating disorders, who probably shouldn't do this. I also think it is nutty to do without nutritionally dense meals, Primal Blueprint style. Primarily because Mark advocates the bulk of your diet being veggies. Many paleos lean carnivore. I think intermittent fasters need every micronutrient provided by healthy veggies that they can eat. Fat and protein are easy peasy for me.

Also, you will find what Ilene did, 16-18 hours works very potently for some that don't make the 24 hours comfortably. My 30+ hour business is just maximizing the fat burning period that starts around 10-12 hours. My long term plan is one big healthy satisfying meal a day for maintenance. I just have to survive this primal winter first!

BibBob
07-03-2010, 01:04 PM
Hi!

:wave:

Welcome aboard. We are always happy to see new faces!

wildviolets
07-03-2010, 02:12 PM
I have a question.......So according to the Primal Blueprint or this Fast Five technique, is it a good thing or at least an ok thing to skip breakfast all the time?

I'm not hypoglycemic and I am almost never hungry for breakfast. I think I could fast at least 17 hours everyday and more if I skip lunch.

I just got into a habit of eating breakfast because it's been pounded in my head via the media that breakfast is necessary. In my heart I never thought it was true.

Just wanted to know what you all thought about that.....

koceank29
07-03-2010, 05:46 PM
wildviolets...eat when you want! Don't force breakfast on yourself, I also had that pounded in my head for so long and I pounded that into my mothers head and husband and son. I think the whole idea is that you eat when your body tells you to.

So I had a BAS for lunch about 12 and it was delicious! We went to the park for some exercise and fun and I just finished up my dinner, Aztec stuffed peppers breakfast style. I have a pork butt in the crock pot for breakfast tomorrow and then I'm pulling a 36 hr fast! I can't wait honestly. I feel so good when I'm fasting, so many years of feeling stuffed, the empty feeling in my stomach feels rejuvinating some how.

Have a great 4th to those that are celebrating tomorrow or tonight!

BibBob
07-03-2010, 10:51 PM
Well, I am off to a terrible start in July. On the first I came off a fast and celebrated the weight loss with a two feasts. On the 2nd I had forgotten a promised cookout, went ahead with it, and ate another huge feast. Today, I pick up my bro, who is starving when I get there, so we went to Red Lobster and I had scampi and crab legs, calimari and deep fried broccoli. Boooo.

I'm going for a walk.

koceank29
07-04-2010, 07:50 AM
Bob...eh, you'll bounce back with a fast I'm sure and the walk will help. I've never had deep fried broccoli, they deep fry everything now I guess.

I am finishing up my day of feasting yesterday and had slow-cooked pork butt and eggs for breakfast with 2 cups of coffee. I ate so much yesterday in comparison to my usual days, I ate tons of veggies some meat and splurged on whipped cream and greek yogurt mixed together, that should be illegal. As soon as I finish this cup of coffee I will be starting a 36 hr fast, I'm going to try to get some exercise in this afternoon during the 11m olds nap time and then we'll go to the park for a 2 mile walk, 2 miles is about all she can handle in the stroller before the screaming begins!

Oh, my husband finally is going Primal with me, he has been about 50/50 with it the past 3 months and finally I coaxed him to do it and he can't believe how good he feels. I'm happy for him, I'm waiting for the extra energy to kick in for him because I know then he'll realize how lazy the grains were making him and the sugar was just dragging him down.
Have a great day everyone!

wildviolets
07-04-2010, 08:12 AM
Kara,
I'm so excited for you that your DH is joining you. My husband thinks I'm nuts but never says anything. I think he's just happy I feel better. I had been sick on and off for a year or two and that was upsetting to him.

I keep thinking if I would lose a significiant amount of weight (20 lbs?), that would get his attention.

And Bob, sometimes life interferes with our best intentions but we have to just keep on, keepin' on.

CJZee
07-04-2010, 08:31 AM
Hi everyone. I will take my measurements later, but just realized I have not lost one pound in June. I'm trying to think about it as "practice maintenance" but that is not really making me happy right now, arhghghgh.

Part of the reason is I'm away from home and cannot do much of my own food preparation. But that is no excuse.

So back to basics for July:
1. Log all food in my CalorieKing software.
2. Stay around 50 grams of carbs per day
3. Stay around 1550 calories per day
4. Go to classes at the local Y while I am away from home at least 4x per week
5. Take a walk every day, even if it's a short one

tymaboy
07-04-2010, 09:42 AM
Happy 4th everyone. This will not be a good weekend for me. I already gained a lb. Hopefully it is only water, woke up with cramps this morning. Almost a week early :-( (sorry Bob TMI)

I wish my family would be will to join me in my quest. I think it would be much easier. I was almost really bad yesterday. I had such a craving for Beechers ice cream but by the time the craving got so bad we only had 19 minutes to get to Beechers for they closed. I had 1 smore instead - it was not the same.

koceank29
07-04-2010, 10:41 AM
Wildviolets: Thats what my husband would say too until recently, it does help when you're supported. I'm happy you're feeling better, it makes a huge difference in your quality of life probably. I got sick in 2007 and I'm convinced it was diet related, no one could ever pin point it though. My husband commented this morning he felt like his sinus problems have been going away this week, I let out a big I TOLD YOU SO!

CJ- it definitely is harder when your not in your comfort zone, but it looks like you've got a good plan! Where were visiting again? New England somewhere? How is it?

Tyma- It definitely is easier when family is supportive. Good thing Beechers was closed then, huh! Have you tried making the choc. truffle things, they are good for cravings so you don't eat sugar or grains and you can put different things in them before they turn solid. Heres a link:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/showthread.php?27-Primal-quot-Candy-quot&highlight=chocolate+truffles

walking2lose
07-04-2010, 11:03 AM
Hi all - I went out of town for a couple of days, so I'm catching up on reading.

First - Bob - WOOT!! Your progress is amazing... PLEASE don't beat yourself up over the little slips. Those are all part of the 80/20 and if you don't have a few little slip ups now and then you risk major binges (at least in my experience) - the seafood meal sounds like it was very primal except for the fried brocoli.

Tyma - I would chalk that ice cream craving up to PMS and put that s'more in the 20% too... just get back on track today. Everyone else - way to go -- it sounds like everyone has found some kind of groove. Let's keep it up!

My embarrassing confession: I did something I regret on Thursday night -- not sure exactly how it happened because it hit me unbelievably fast, but I had a heck of a lot too much vodka and ended up with a day and half hangover!! Oh, I felt so so horrible - this has only happened to me once in maybe 20 years, and I guarantee it will NOT happen again - ever. Anyway, Fri and yesterday I had no strength to exercise (not even walk) but at least there wasn't a lot of food involved.

We celebrated our anniversary last night with a meal out - I had ribeye and my husband had coconut crusted shrimp. We were going to split but the shrimp seemed heavily breaded with no coconut to be seen, so I mostly ate the steak (which was great). I did go non-primal by eating half an ear of corn and half order of the slaw that came with it.

Today is a new day -- making guacamole deviled eggs for cookout tonight, NO ALCOHOL will be involved, and I'll probably make due with a burger with no bun and hopefully a few veggies.

My weight has stayed the same this week, but for the month of June I lost about 6-8 lbs and feel great.

For July, I'm going to focus on upping the exercise, eating clean primal foods, and maybe throwing in an IF or two.

Here's to a Happy and Primal 4th and a healthy July for all of us!

srmb60
07-04-2010, 12:55 PM
I think I've mastered sausage gravy! Butter, sauteed sausage meat, milk, a smidge of chicken boullion cube and I thickened it with potato flour. It only took about a tsp. We ate it over scrambled eggs. It was great!

DH would like if I could dream up a biscuit for him;)

He's in this with me now too. It is much nicer. He had to make an announcement in church today and had to wear a t-shirt instead of his suit jacket etc. His belly is disappearing and his dress pants looked so baggy!

wildviolets
07-04-2010, 02:10 PM
Hey Kara,
I made those Chocolate-Coconut things and they are perfect for a sweet bite.....not so good that I want to eat them all but good enough to be satisfying to just eat one.
Thanks!

Ilene
07-04-2010, 02:31 PM
Wildviolets and kamesennin :welcome:

Bob -- You're story made me sad :hug: ... I know you can do it this time...

Wildviolets -- I was one, until March, that would eat 5-6 mini meals/day, I was never hungry but if I happened to miss a feading :lol: I would get shaky ... With Primal I am IFing pretty regularly, 3-4x/week, eating at 6pm then not eating again till 11am the next day with no shakes at all or weakness... You just have to try it yourself and see how if feels for you but I find for myself the less carbs I eat the easier it is to IF...

W2L -- Way to go on your weight loss in June! I never thought of guacamole deviled eggs, great idea :hun: ... A question about avocados... How do you keep it if you only use half of one, mine are black and aweful the next day, unless I eat it all immediately... Happy Anniversary!

Kara -- that Primal candy recipe looks really good :hun:


Family support: Well you know, no one in my family realises that I'm a Primal eater, they know I lo-carb it they just don't realise that it's really NO carb... When I make supper I now make a BASalad, another cooked or raw veggie and a protein. At first I was making rice or pasta for them but no one was eating it because they were eating too many of the veggies and they were full, so I stopped making it and no one is asking for the carb :lol: ... If they feel the need for a carb after supper they eat a fruit or a piece of bread... I don't talk about my way of eating at all, I've only talked to my running client about it, she's the only one that understands because she's done Atkins before, I lent her my book to read and sent her the MDA Primal 101 link... BTW my husband is not overweight at all he's 5'10'' 175lbs, just one of those naturaly thin people that us folks who struggle with weight love to hate :lol: ... He eats well though he's not a junk food eater and never has been, he'll eat whatever I make and be happy with that, in my tofu days he'd even eat that, without a complaint... His saying is: ''If I don't have to make it, it's good!'' what a guy I love him to death, he's a keeper...

Hangovers: I'm tired and slightly hung over this morning myself... Met up with 2 GFs for a BBQ yesterday afternoon and we drank a pitcher of Margaritas and 4 bottles of wines, between the 3 of us, in my defence :lol: this was in a 8 hour span, still, I'm paying for it this today of course :doh: ... We had loads of laughs and fun though... Her meal was pretty primal with chicken, BAS and roasted potatos, but I immediately felt my stomach bloat from the potato and felt slightly sick, but in the end all was good...

Just back from a 50 minute bike ride, ugh, I'm drained...I wonder why :dizzy:

CJZee
07-04-2010, 07:18 PM
A question about avocados... How do you keep it if you only use half of one, mine are black and aweful the next day, unless I eat it all immediately..

Hi Ilene -- when you cut the avocado in half, leave the pit in the half you're not going to eat. Then wrap the whole thing, including the pit, in plastic wrap and put in the refrigerator. Mine last several days like this.

Ilene
07-04-2010, 07:22 PM
Hi Ilene -- when you cut the avocado in half, leave the pit in the half you're not going to eat. Then wrap the whole thing, including the pit, in plastic wrap and put in the refrigerator. Mine last several days like this.I'll try that CJZ thanks!

BibBob
07-04-2010, 07:44 PM
Thanks for all the thoughts. I'm still blowing it. Hey it's Independence Day and my brother is here. What? Must BBQ. :)

Sorry my story made you sad, Ilene. It just made me really mad.

Susan -- Nice work on the sausage gravy. Man, could I disappear massive amounts of biscuits and gravy in the day.

wildviolets -- Kara gave the perfect answer for intermittent fasting. Eat when you want. Like many, I never had a strong need for breakfast. So waiting for lunch could easily create a 19 hour fast (dinner @ 7pm, lunch at noon) and I would have experienced approximately 5 hours of body fat burning. Now pushing the lunch back an hour here and there may lead to waiting for dinner and establishing a pretty simple 20 hour fast and 4 hour eating window daily. In that window it helps to eat one nutritionally dense meal, and for me anyway, one small meal or snack that helps me make it the next day.

For example: Dinner at 6 could be pork chops, carrots, and a big salad with bacon and hard boiled eggs. Maybe around 9 or 10 have some primal cereal, chopped nuts, sliced berries and cream or coconut milk, or as one friend of mine does, bacon and eggs. That's two decent meals in 4 hours. Some sleep better with a full belly, some don't. If you don't make the small meal first and earlier. Maybe right after work or even as a late lunch, say 3pm. Then have the large meal at 6 or so and there you've done it. 20 hours. Fat will burn more rapidly than someone eating the same calories spread out. You will entrain ghrelin to signal less hunger daily. You will become more sensitive to leptin, filling up easier and solving portion control issues. And you will become more insulin sensitive. This is what research is telling me and what I am experiencing. I haven't eaten since Red Lobster yesterday around 5. It's almost 5 again, and I can eat, but I am not particularly hungry. Either or would be fine with me.

Now to light that BBQ and put some chairs on the roof for fireworks :)

katerina11
07-05-2010, 10:34 AM
How was everyone's 4th of July? We went to the drive in and watched a double feature. I was surprised how many people were there instead of shooting fireworks. My son loves the drive-in so that's how we decided to spend our holiday evening. Before primal I bought lots of chocolate and pringles for these outings, but last night I had some beef jerky (9 gm carbs for 3.5 oz) and a handful of cashews, and was satisfied.

koceank29 aztec stuffed peppers? recipe please? YUMMMMMM

tymaboy i remember the ice cream cravings. the cravings will get easier and easier to deal with. i hardly crave sweets now. i do have to stay away from even super dark chocolate though, otherwise it will trigger me.

Ilene it sounds like you had a fantastic time with your friends! I love days like that.

Susan, I've never been much of a gravy eater, but that gravy sounds yummy!

AFM I am a bit frustrated with my lack of weight loss. For the last five days I have been monitoring my ketosis with some ketosticks. I have been in ketosis (moderate) for the full five days and have not lost a pound. I haven't lost a pound in weeks actually. My body is incredibly resistant to weight loss it seems. I have even cut calories without really meaning to. I am just avoiding food now if I can help it. Still no weight loss. :( I eat between 1000k and 1600k a day. There should be a loss, KWIM? I won't stop eating this way because of the other benefits, but I am not just slightly overweight, I am HUGE and I know my metabolism is broken and I do try and get 65-70% fats, but this is ridiculous. I need to lose this weight and I don't know if it will ever happen.

My husband drops five pounds in a week eating more than I do. And he's not even obese! He has a little belly fat, that's it. Very frustrating.

katerina11
07-05-2010, 06:33 PM
I have decided that when I have lost 50 pounds I am buying myself this because I totally deserve it. I deserve it now for coming this far, but I want to give myself a goal to shoot for, so I don't get too overwhelmed by how much father I have to go. I have been coveting this necklace for years, but never buy things like this so it will be nice to finally have it.
http://sattvagallery.com/delicate-necklace.html

srmb60
07-05-2010, 07:32 PM
Oh Kathy, that's pretty. Go for it! And we want pics when you get it.

Ilene
07-05-2010, 09:18 PM
Kathy, that is soooo pretty, you sooo deserve it :yes:

srmb60
07-06-2010, 06:16 AM
Good morning!

I should change that s/c/g thing in my profile. I can't recall the last time I was 128 lbs. Oh maybe for a half day ...
I'm sorry that I keep going on about this but it baffles me! I can start pinching at my armpit and hardly have anything to grab until I get to about the muffin top area. It's awesome! But I'm sure glad I hadn't set my heart on getting to be 120 lbs!

wildviolets
07-06-2010, 06:54 AM
Kathy,
Just a thought on the weight loss....Do you think your digestion may be sluggish? I was having alot of problems with my stomach.... I thought I had GERD. But many doctors later a Naturopath got me started on taking a spoonful of Apple Cider Vinegar in a glass of water one half hour before meals. I immediately lost 5 lbs (probably water weight) and my stomach problems started to clear up.

My stomach problems weren't about too much acid but not enough. The food was just staying in the upper part of my stomach and was taking days to digest. I won't gross you out with the associated problems.

I only mention this to you because I believe you were taking the same prescription drug I was for stomach problems. It starts with an O????? I haven't used it in about 6 months.

This way of eating has helped my stomach TREMENDOUSLY!

Just thought I'd throw that out as a possibility.

wildviolets
07-06-2010, 06:56 AM
Thanks everyone for answering my breakfast question and thanks Bob for all the detail. I think I'm going to try that when my husband goes out of town next week....it will be easier for me to try it without having to cook for him at a certain time. I'm excited to try it!

koceank29
07-06-2010, 08:50 AM
Aztec Stuffed Peppers- Cut tops off and get seeds out, coat in olive oil and cook in oven at 375 for about 20 min(you want them almost soft) Then fill with whatever you'd like. and put back in oven for another 5ish min and turn broil on for about 1 min to brown up the cheese and pepper.

I used goat cheese and bacon for the stuffing this time(bacon I crisped up first and chopped in pieces) Next time I'm not using the aztec peppers, they are too bland, we like spicy at my house. The farm stand had them really cheap so I tried them. Here is a link I saw earlier on MDA, sounds delish! Although I may use different ingred, but I liked the concept.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/crock-pot-pork-stuffed-peppers/

tymaboy
07-06-2010, 09:19 AM
Glad to be back to regular schedule again. I did not eat as bad as I could have but still did not make the best chooses. Yesterday morning I was back up to 144. Last nite DH & I did end up at Beechers for ice cream. I thought it would show on the scale this morning but I actuelly dropped a lb.

Sassykathy- The necklace is beautiful! If I wore jewelry it is something that I would like to get too. DH buys me jewelry once in awhile but I barley wear it.

BibBob
07-06-2010, 01:17 PM
Okay then. I am now 38 hours into a fast and feeling GREAT. This may be an adrenal response that could eventually lead to adrenal fatigue, but the four days of blissful eating probably make that no concern. Despite being a little disappointed in my ability to stick to the plan, I sill feel like weight came off during those four days. It's times like this that I know, for me anyway, it is far better just not to weigh myself. Period. I am happy to wait for the 1st of August.

Kathy, that is a nice reward for 50 pounds. My plan was pizza at 50 pounds, My favorite restaurant at 100. But instead I skipped the pizza and just celebrated the 50 pounds for a few days of primal over eating. As to the stalled weight loss, maybe you too should not worry about the scale daily, weekly or whatever. Just stick to a healthy plan. Weighing yourself, counting calories, balancing macros -- to me all of these are the accessories of a diet, not a lifestyle, and diets are not sustainable whereas a lifestyle is by definition.

As fast as I am losing now, I do know your frustration. I could maintain 350+ pounds at 1800-2000 calories a day before I started this lifestyle. The math didn't make sense and my brother could maintain 185 at 3000+ calories. Life just sucks like that sometimes. My mom likes to count calories, years of WW and Tops, and she calculated my average daily calories in July at 900-1000. That's really low, but the fasting days are zero calorie days and the eating days are generally 1200 to 2000. I agree with wildviolets that you could have digestive problems and maybe even thyroid issues. Gut flora? But remember Dr. Harris at Panu's plan for a broken metabolism? Get 85% of your calories from fat. There are levels of ketosis and it seems deep ketosis is healing for broken metabolisms. I thought my metabolism was broken, but a couple weeks averaging 20g of carbs a day including a few zero gram days (fasts) and something stoked the fat burning process. I truly hope you find a successful approach.

My brother's diet:

Yesterday he made pancakes for everyone in the morning. His were swimming in fake maple syrup. At lunch he just snacked on half a box of Entenmenn's donuts. For dinner, he went to Arby's and got a big roast beef sandwich, some fries and a coke. He had the 20 oz. fast food soda and 3 cans of full strength Pepsi yesterday. This morning I noticed the box of donuts is empty. Sigh. I gotta live with this!?

koceank29
07-06-2010, 01:39 PM
Good grief Bob, your brother is like a walking temptation. Stay strong and just imagine his organs having to work overtime on all that poison. I don't know your brothers age, but 10 years from now you'll be looking younger than your age and he'll probably be looking 10 years older. It will catch-up in the later years.

So I've been having an ongoing conversation in my head lately(not the crazy kind!). I leave for Ocean City,MD next Friday and will be there 8 days and my hubby and I have been discussing the food plan. We'll be at a condo with my mother, step-father, my grandparents and my kiddos of course, and we are the only healthy eaters in the family, everyone else is CW healthy. Of course the boardwalk has tons of temptations, but after my little experience with birthday cake in Florida I want nothing to do with sugar or junk food, it will ruin at least 1 day for me since I'd be stuck in the condo near the bathroom. I have decided to bring my food processor so I can make a few little primal treats for me and hubby. My kids will be having their bdays there as well, so more bday cake! I have finally realized, its just not worth it to eat junk, I feel crappy emotionally and physically for days after and it takes 1 wk to get back into Primal happiness for me. I'm not one the people that can eat something bad and have no adverse effects, my body really punishes me. So thats my conversation...I decided to obstain from boardwalk treats and just stick with my regular eating, it will make me feel so much stronger in the long run. I will be eating toppings off of pizza, and tons of seafood probably cooked in veg. oils, but aside from that no funnel cake,canolis,ice cream,sugary lemonade,fudge or anything else that I'd normally eat there, I'll make my own versions. Another thing that drove me to thinking this way is how far I've come, I would hate to go on vacation and center it around food like others in my family and end up gaining 10 lbs back, its just not worth it right now. I'm going to for once in my life, go on vacation and spend my $$ on activites with my son, like kayaking,beach hike,parasailing,jet skiing, etc, instead of wasting $$ on "treats".

Done!

wildviolets
07-07-2010, 08:21 AM
Good attitude Kara!

I find family vacations and get togethers a complete disaster for me. My sister says that we a compulsive partying gene......when in a party atmosphere, we always eat and drink too much. I'm just terrible when it comes to temptation.

But you sound like you are going in with a good plan and your husband will be good support so you should have a successful vacation. Hang in there!

Ilene
07-07-2010, 09:38 AM
Kara, be strong :strong: ....

Bob, I agree with Kara, EVENTUALLY this kind of eating will catch up to him :yes: ...

Yesterday I visited the dentist at 7:30am because of a sore tooth they were very good in taking me right away,considering I was a drop-in, but I've been a client of theirs for 20+ years... It's a wisdom tooth, I have all mine still and they are all out too... I am on anti biotics and pain killers... I didn't work yesterday, slept all day, I was bored at home though, and too lazy to make good food so I ate a few fruits and half a cup of ww pasta... OOOHH :o I paid for it this morning, had a good cleanse :lol:, no weight gain either...

Not much else to report....

walking2lose
07-07-2010, 11:05 AM
I have decided that when I have lost 50 pounds I am buying myself this because I totally deserve it. I deserve it now for coming this far, but I want to give myself a goal to shoot for, so I don't get too overwhelmed by how much father I have to go. I have been coveting this necklace for years, but never buy things like this so it will be nice to finally have it.
http://sattvagallery.com/delicate-necklace.html

What a great and well deserved reward!

walking2lose
07-07-2010, 11:09 AM
.

My brother's diet:

Yesterday he made pancakes for everyone in the morning. His were swimming in fake maple syrup. At lunch he just snacked on half a box of Entenmenn's donuts. For dinner, he went to Arby's and got a big roast beef sandwich, some fries and a coke. He had the 20 oz. fast food soda and 3 cans of full strength Pepsi yesterday. This morning I noticed the box of donuts is empty. Sigh. I gotta live with this!?

No matter how thin he is that diet is downright unhealthy! The HFCS, hydrogenated oils, the chemicals and preservatives, the hormone laden fast food meats... ugh!

walking2lose
07-07-2010, 11:12 AM
My sister and her family are here for a long visit - lots of temptations - I'm doing well with foods, but I'm not getting much exercise in. I really want to and NEED to change that. I am reading the Fitness chapter of PB this week, and once company leaves and heat wave breaks (I'm in Va. --- UGH!!!), I want to focus on exercise. Weight is holding steady at 146 -- ready to see that drop.

Have a PRIMAL day, all! (We need a primal emoticon!)

Ilene
07-07-2010, 11:14 AM
(We need a primal emoticon!) :yes: :yes:

BibBob
07-07-2010, 12:12 PM
I am 63 hours into a water fast. I'm sure grok had to deal with similar and I understand this is considered crazy by many, but my chronic very slight stomach ache is gone right now. I am still having bowel movements, which speaks to being a little backed up, and I feel fine. Pretty good. If it wasn't so hot, I could easily make my 6 mile walk. I did it last night at 10pm, when it finally cooled down.

Beef jerky is drying. A big NY steak is thawing. I'm tempted to wait for dinner and make this a full 72 hours, since I was asked a question about that length and a few studies suggest that bad things happen "after" 72 hours. This makes me even with the plan after screwing up for 4 days.

Other than being a little famished, I feel good. Almost artificially high. Nothing major, but I felt so "light" weight wise yesterday that it put me in a very good mood. Bending down to get some weeds was easy. I popped out of my chair in a way I couldn't a week ago. The simplest way to describe this is that I feel about 20 years younger. I'm thinking of joining a men's basketball league.

You gals didn't know a lunatic had joined your group didja? http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:xy6bd-EKNwiLWM:http://www.emofaces.com/en/smilies/c/caveman-smile.gif

As for my brother. He is 9 years older than me and people frequently refer to him as my younger brother. He also smokes. I cannot discuss diet with him because he is ferociously against health food. He did eat sane yesterday. "My" steak and eggs in the morning and a nice pork stew he fixed for everyone for dinner.

As of this post, I feel like waiting for dinner to eat. We'll see. I feel too young to eat! Could be mild delusions though. hehe

koceank29
07-07-2010, 12:49 PM
Bob- That is amazing...I know how you feel on the feeling younger front. I'm only 31 but the other week at a friends my 11m old was running for the stairs and I jumped up to grab her and had my friend comment that she'd never seen anyone move that fast. I honestly feel like I'm 20, you really can't ask for anything better. Congrats on feeling young! Watch out basketball league!

tymaboy
07-07-2010, 02:30 PM
I need your advice. DH has gone on a business trip. When he does DS & I usualy go out to dinner atleast 1 nite as a special bounding time for just the 2 of us. DS likes to go to Asian King (Chinese Buffet) Sometimes we go else where but they're all not very diet friendly. The last time we went out we went to Champs & I ordered a Salad. Can you give me some inexpensive ideas of where to go or what to have. I have been doing half way decent, other then a few small flubs this last weekend.

CJZee
07-07-2010, 02:47 PM
I'm up in NY and it's hot-hot-hot here. Please tell me why I left Florida (insert wry grin). I'm engaged to a guy who lives in NY and so I will probably be here all summer ... it is a different way of life than my home in FL.

I'm seriously thinking of skipping dinner a time or two a week, although it is very hard for me. Bob, those huge fasts you are doing just astound me. I'm one who likes to eat 4-5 small meals a day. But that has all changed here so I think the skipping dinner thing might be the "mini-fast" for me. Somehow skipping breakfast doesn't do anything for me in terms of weight loss, but skipping dinner often does.

I'm tracking my calories/carbs in my software ... keeping the carbs low is not too hard, but it's tough to keep my calories low. At home I mostly eat very small mini-meals that aren't too calorie dense, but here I am eating "regular" meals and even though it doesn't seem like I'm eating that much - wow! - the calories add up.

I'm pretty happy with my food choices, though. We had company a few times and bought things like ice cream and chocolate sauce and chips and dip and none of it crossed my lips. I find it not that hard to avoid this stuff.

Kathy, I'm like you, I lose weight very slowly but it does comes off eventually. I have found the skipping dinner often jump-starts weight loss, even if I don't change the calories for the day.

Love the necklace, it is so pretty. CJ

BibBob
07-07-2010, 04:07 PM
Bob, those huge fasts you are doing just astound me.

If you start with what I did in May, I have been gradually conditioning myself for longer fasts. Even before starting this diet, I had a history of fasting. Starting by skipping a meal here and there is the only way to go, and it is probably all that is necessary to spend several hours here and there in "true body fat" burning metabolism. The pace I have set is not necessarily wise, but I have every intention of slamming on the brakes September 1st. I developed this winter idea reading about paleo anthropology and the ice age. I knew it would work for *me*. I have spent more time in fasting forums over the last five years than "normal" places like this. I know doctors and online friends who routinely water fast for seven day stretches.

I've been swimming with my kid today. Even at 66 hours I had plenty of energy for a bunch of swimming, racing, marco polo, practicing front flips, etc. Still feeling great. It's almost like eating would ruin how light I feel and how happy my rested guts are. :shrug:

koceank29
07-07-2010, 04:12 PM
Tyma, why don't you and your son do something else as a bonding time? Like go bowling,movies,etc. and then maybe go to a great park and have a picnic. I'm sure that would be more bonding than just a rest IMO. I'm starting this myself with my kids, I feel like all my bonding with my family growing up was around food, holidays, celebrations all were about food, so I'm trying to change that and make activities the place where we bond and eating a 2nd thought. If you really want to do the rest route, maybe you could find a little mom & pop place each time your DH is away and think of yourselves as food critiques, that way you try something new each time. HAve fun whatever you choose!

spanky
07-07-2010, 05:28 PM
Hi,

I've been browsing around, having started into something quasi-Atkins-ey, and found this thread [Bob, I think I followed one of your posts...]. After a few days checking out the Primal website, I ordered the book.

Despite what I've always read about the food pyramid with the grains at the base, I have never been able to lose weight when I include them. I just bloat and then the scale goes up. "Whole" grains are even worse. Add some sugar and I'm totally messed up, especially after menopause. And I'm lactose intolerant to boot.

So I want to give this a try--mind if I join in to lose these last 10-ish pounds?

Spanky

srmb60
07-07-2010, 05:41 PM
You are very welcome to join us Spanky!

Afternoon everyone. It is blessed hot here, whew!

BibBob
07-07-2010, 05:41 PM
Hi Spanky!

Welcome aboard. I think this is a great way to maintain goal weight or drop the last ten pounds. You will be eating very healthy. The benefits seem incredible to me.

Homemade beef jerky broke the fast. Wow, another benefit is how incredible food tastes. Haha. I'm pretty sure it's the same old jerky I always make, but it tasted like the best jerky in the history of the universe.

koceank29
07-07-2010, 06:51 PM
Homemade beef jerky broke the fast. Wow, another benefit is how incredible food tastes. Haha. I'm pretty sure it's the same old jerky I always make, but it tasted like the best jerky in the history of the universe.

:carrot:Too funny Bob! Good for you! You are going to be the incredible shrinking man!

Spanky- Welcome! You not being able to lose with grains and the bloating...that is me in a nutshell!

Ilene
07-07-2010, 07:37 PM
Homemade beef jerky broke the fast. Wow, another benefit is how incredible food tastes. Haha. I'm pretty sure it's the same old jerky I always make, but it tasted like the best jerky in the history of the universe.:lol: this cracked me up too!!

:welcome: Spanky ...

Today I was hungry for fruit so I ate 2 bananas and I'm sure about 30 cherries... and the rest was Primal... I walked/ran for 40 minutes in the coolness of an arena where there is a track going around it... Awesome!!

srmb60
07-07-2010, 07:58 PM
I feel like a wimp but I'm going to get on the elliptical in my AC'd livingroom. I tried going outside but yuck!

Good food day today! I fried eggs last evening and ate two of them for breakfast. HB eggs and a big bag of cauliflower, broccoli, celery and radishes for lunch. A beef patty because someone cooked it and didn't eat it. Butt chops in butter and spinach (in butter) for supper. I wish I had a fruit but I guess somebody ate it all.
I've done the egg thing again this evening, so I might have one before I go to bed.
If ... when ... when I put in some time on the elliptical, I think I'll have a light beer. It's the perfect weather for it.

kamesennin
07-08-2010, 03:05 AM
Welcome kameesennin! I think on the protein side you are aiming for .7-1g per lb of lean body mass, so 85g or a bit less is good. Sounds like you are ready, you will most likely notice tons of body recomposition as your fat starts burning. Just remember, fat is a good thing now, its hard to get used to, but butter/coconut oil/olive oil/fats from meat are okay...I still have to remind myself that fats are good and not to be scared of them.

Bob- So glad you shared that photo and story with us, really puts things in perspective of where your journey started. Good idea about the orange shirt, you will swimming in it soon enough.

Thanks! I tried to keep track yesterday and 85g is A LOT of protein. I will keep trying. I just bought a new cast iron pan so I've been keeping it oiled with coconut oil and of course bacon fat.

kamesennin
07-08-2010, 03:18 AM
What is the deal on fats? I really need to break down the percentages because I'm kind of clueless--I need to think of things in terms of tablespoons, lol. What are the percentages to aim for?

srmb60
07-08-2010, 05:44 AM
My alarm must be broken! I did set it last night!

So, with little time for recreation ;) Is protein the one that corresponds to exercise? If you are active 1 gm per lb of LBM. If you are not vigorously active, less?

spanky
07-08-2010, 09:15 AM
G'Morning All,

Susan B: I think I just read it can be 0.7 to 1 gram protein per pound of body weight...

Got the book yesterday and read about a third of it. Delighted that I can at least have berries and such. I get gagged out on Atkins for the lack of a twinge of fruit.

Breakfast has been a 2-egg frittata with cheese, tomatoes, and bacon bits [real bacon that is]. I must confess I'm still drinking a lot of Crystal Light, but am getting plenty of fluids that way.

Nearly impossible to find anything "organic' around here but I'll worry about that later. 80% rule and all that.

Since I started the job I'm in, I've been harassed by a co-worker who is constantly after me about my eating habits. Sabotage, comments to the whole group about my eating 'issues', etc. This month we finally have a new manager who is dedicatedly "Low Carb" and who looks fabulous, and also refuses the bakery stuff and candy she pushes on us. It's kind of taken the pressure off me--what a relief!

Today's lunch might get a little desperate. I brought my own turkey and have to go hunting for some kind of salad...

So. A good day to all,

Spanks

BibBob
07-08-2010, 12:29 PM
What is the deal on fats? I really need to break down the percentages because I'm kind of clueless--I need to think of things in terms of tablespoons, lol. What are the percentages to aim for?

There really aren't exact percentages to aim for. Diets have those. This is a sustainable lifestyle with plenty of food freedom.

One of the nice things about Primal Blueprint is the various approaches that are acceptable. Protein and Carbs have targeted levels then the rest of your calories should come from healthy fats.

So if you have 100 pounds of lean body mass, you should get between 70 to 100 grams of protein a day, but this can be balanced over several days with the same results.

Next is carbs and there's three levels all acceptable. 100 - 150 grams of carb a day for very active types and those maintaining. 50-100 grams of carb for steady weight loss. Less than 50 for obesity and rapid weight loss.

So in my case, obese losing rapidly, I try to get my protein with beef and fish, I keep the carbs low with very low carb veggies, a lot of them, and everything else comes from fats. I will take coconut oil by the tablespoon. I cook with it, with butter, with olive oil. I eat fatty meats like bacon and sausage. Eggs are nice combo of protein and fat. I consume the fattiest of dairy, full fat yogurt, cheeses, cream (whipped too), creme fresh, butter and cultured butter. And coconut milk has been a fun discovery. Dr. Harris at Panu drinks heavy cream to get his fat intake up. He's 5-11 and a 155 pounds.

There's a little more. The bulk of your diet, think of bulk as appearance here, should be veggies. We need the anti-oxidants. The bulk of your calories will come from fats. You want to eat as "clean" as you can comfortably afford. Free range chicken and eggs. Organic pork. Pastured beef. Wild caught fish. Organic produce and dairy.

So start by picking your carb category. From there the other things should fall in place, but it is a real mental effort for some of us (me included) to eat so much saturated fat after years of being told it was the bad guy. For what it's worth, I do not count any of this stuff anymore. It took me a couple weeks to understand approximately how much carb was in what. I'm keeping my carbs under 50 and eating what I want, remembering not to be scared of fats. Yesterday I made crackers out of cheese and ate guacomole. I put toasted walnuts and strawberries in full fat yogurt and filled up. :)

My next post will make this all much easier. There is a better way to look at it.

BibBob
07-08-2010, 12:37 PM
That's good news Spanky. I've had to cultivate support and it was uncomfortable for awhile, but my results have shut up the rabble and even won a couple converts. Don't sweat the "clean" organic thing that much. Take it from me, an organic tomato marktet grower, there isn't that much difference in many crops. Just wash all your veggies. I fill a bowl with a 6-1 vinegar solution and everything gets a quick soak, a little brushing/rubbing, and a cold rinse. This has been tested to remove more pesticide than any method and youo won't taste vinegar. Organic crops get sprayed with toxic organic chemicals anyway. I would focus my budget on organic meat and dairy first. It's harder to purify that stuff.

You have the book, so you know the Crystal Light is a no no. I'll just leave it at that. Well, I might ask if that is really the best use of your 20%?

Personally, I like a little chocolate here and there. :)

My mom and kid guzzle that stuff... hehe

BibBob
07-08-2010, 12:41 PM
Susan, that is a good question. I know carbs have calculations based on activity and working out, but I thought the protein #s were stable -- .7 to 1g for ea lb of LBM?

I've been reading about lowering protein for diabetes protection (insulin surges). Sheesh, someday I may just eat animal fats and veggies and be healthy! Hah!

walking2lose
07-08-2010, 12:55 PM
I feel like a wimp but I'm going to get on the elliptical in my AC'd livingroom. I tried going outside but yuck!

Good food day today! I fried eggs last evening and ate two of them for breakfast.

Susan, were those eggs fried on the sidewalk??!! :dizzy: The heat wave here in Virginia is OUTRAGEOUS! Today is the first little break.

BibBob
07-08-2010, 01:15 PM
Here's 3 things to stop doing:

1. Eating grains
even whole grains are poison
2. Eating refined sugars
this is a huge list of products
3. Eating refined oils
this is a bigger list!

Don't do those three and you are basically primal! No need for obsessing over counting calories and tracking macros. Comnpletely conquer those three and eat what remains somewhat balanced and you will see results.

Here's ten things you should try to do:

1. Eat lots of animals and plants.
think of plants as those you can eat raw - no grains
2. Move around a lot at a slow pace.
the science is very solid behind this - take a long leisurely walk
3. Lift heavy things.
one a week keeps the muscles strong and healthy
4. Run really fast every once in a while.
I do this in the pool. It stokes fat burning hormones
5. Get lots of sleep.
not so easy for me, but try
6. Play.
what a change in my spirit to start playing more
7. Get some sunlight every day.
when the sun it out, you should visit it
8. Avoid trauma.
good advice here
9. Avoid poisonous things.
this includes lots of food stuff
10. Use your mind.
read GCBC, then move to the next

Reading material on topic is highly motivational for me.

Also I live in the Mojave Desert. My little town is known as the Gateway to Death Valley. You all don't know heat. It will be 110+ here for weeks very soon. We consider 100 degrees to be quite pleasant. It was 103 at 9am today.

walking2lose
07-08-2010, 01:25 PM
Also I live in the Mojave Desert. My little town is known as the Gateway to Death Valley. You all don't know heat. It will be 110+ here for weeks very soon. We consider 100 degrees to be quite pleasant. It was 103 at 9am today.

Bob, thanks for the primal reminders - I agree - very motivating and inspiring to read up on primal lifestyle.

And... UGH...I'm melting just reading your temps. I imagine are Canadians are sweating a bit just reading those temps too!

BibBob
07-08-2010, 01:59 PM
We actually have an egg frying contest every year. A used car dealer does it. You cook on the hoods of cars. First one with a solid yolk wins a tank of gas. It doesn't take long.

I have a question. What supplements if any is everyone taking?

I'm not a fan of supplements, but I keep reading this or that and adding one. I'll list mine later. I'll be on the road for a couple hours.

tymaboy
07-08-2010, 02:40 PM
My weight may not be coming off as fast as most but I have noticed a difference in my clothes. Last summer I bought new shorts, this summer they are falling off. Today I have an older pair of shorts on & I think they might fit better then when I had bought them. I had a shirt on that I didnt think looked too bad on me then I saw a picture of me in the same shirt & could see a difference in it.

Today I took the kids to the museum. We ate lunch there cuz I knew they would fall a sleep on the way home. I got a turkey wrap for my lunch, did not sneak any frys or chips & drank water. The wrap was not very good & am now hoping that I will not pay too much for eating it.

koceank29
07-08-2010, 04:54 PM
Bob; I've been doing some research on supplements as well, keep reading about people on MDA taking them. I'm thinking of starting a fish oil, vitamin D, magnesium. I'm in the process of finding where I want to get them from and if I want to do a krill oil or standard fish oil. What are your thoughts?

Tyma- sounds fun, at least you were inside! You couldv'e done much worse than a turkey wrap, something like that would effect me less than sugar, sugar is my colons worst enemy!TMI!

I am waiting to go jogging outside until about 7ish. I'm trying to train some for a 5K that is in my town on Aug 14th, it will be hot, so I've got to start jogging outside to climatize my body, lots and lots of water will be on hand tonight! Nevermind that...its still 98, hitting the treadmill!

BibBob
07-08-2010, 06:48 PM
Hi Kara,

Fish oil supplementing is probably the one I read about the most and the worst one to ask me about. No doubt the standard american diet is way too high in omega 6 fats and fish oil seems to balance that nicely, but once gone primal we eliminate the most vile offenders of omega 6 overload (the refined oils). So we naturally solve much of the problem. I do supplement omega 3 after large grain fed beefy dinners. I have eliminated chicken only to make room for fish, which has been enjoyable for me. Swordfish last night was beyond excellent. I got lucky. It was "reduced for quick sale", which can be bad news for fish. I eat a lot of fish and probably pop three low dose omega 3s a week. Some primals obsess about the 3:6 ratio. I am still trying to decide if it is necessary.

I do have a recipe for those who love seafood that I call my mega omega 3 salad. I try to make it every weekend. I am the only here who likes it. It is quite fishy, but that's the point afterall. I'll post the recipe if anyone here is sure they love fishy. I'm talking traditional Caesar's dressing with anchovies and it's topped with tuna or salmon or both.

koceank29
07-08-2010, 08:05 PM
I want the recipe Bob! Me and fish are best friends, probably due to growing up around water. When I lived in Hong Kong we would pick out just caught fish from holding tanks to feast on! So pass along any fishy goodness!

So I made it to the gym, jogged 1 mile then did some deadlifts and bent rows. It can be so intimidating there when all the muscle heads are in there at night bonding over their metal weights...but I squeezed my way in and did my thing, I never would have done that 6 months ago, even though I could lift then I didn't have the security. I'm starting to think Primal has changed me more than I realized, all that carb fogginess is opening new sides to myself. I also had some great news related to my business today, its a booming! I'm very excited about life right now and I owe a lot of it to the energy Primal living has given back to me.

Have a great night!

katerina11
07-09-2010, 01:47 AM
My husband researched fish oil for a project at school and came to the conclusion that it like most likely very important. Also that at least a 2:1 ratio is important.

There is a huge fish oil study that will be completed and out in about five years, which will give us a definitive answer about using fish oil as a supplement.

I have been reading here but have been very low energy, not knowing what to say.

I have been in ketosis for ten days now. I just came out of it r/t feeling dizzy and sweaty at work. I didn't take my blood sugar, but I did drink 4oz oj and within ten minutes I felt MUCH better.

Despite my ten days of ketosis, I haven't lost a single pound! Gotta love my metabolism. Takes a licking and keeps on fighting me tooth and nail for every single ounce of fat. :dizzy:

I'm not giving up, though. I had to eat what I could during my shift to give myself enough energy, but I;m getting right back into primal. I didn't even stray very far! Just a few ounces of potato and a few ounces of OJ. Man, cheating used to be a big fat cake and pint of ice cream.

srmb60
07-09-2010, 05:28 AM
Omega 3 was the first supplement I added back into my primal diet! Then calcium and now I'm working on magnesuim and D and wondering about potassium.
I'm liking my food and have a reliable source for almost everything I want so I entered it in fitday and had a look at what I was lacking.

Kathy ... I splashed some juice in my water cup yesterday too. I don't think my blood sugar troubles are behind me just yet. Especially while we're battling this heat! As you said ... at least we're fighting with real food and not processed sugar!

Bob ... I'm not sure if sedentary little women need quite that much protein. But at this time of the morning ... I don't recall why I think that. Must have read something somewhere.

As for omega ratios ... how do folks figure? I really have no idea how much is in the food I eat. Grassfed beef? store bought eggs? A handful of nuts? It's a crap shoot, so I just take some. If my ratios are better ... well then that's better ... right?

Wow, how'd I get to be so laid back about a detail? This from the gal who used to wipe frying pans and weight the papertowel to see how much fat I'd successfully removed!

CJZee
07-09-2010, 07:44 AM
I take some supplements, but I can't really "feel" any difference from any of them EXCEPT Vitamin D. I have been supplementing with Vitamin D for probably 6 months and it has made a large difference in my "happiness" quotient. Really.

Of course, it could be a placebo effect, but I doubt it because I often experiment with supplements and Vitamin D is the only one that has had that effect.

There is a ton of information on why Vitamin D is good and I can provide references if you're interested. There is lately some concern that Vitamin D and calcium can raise calcium too much and possibly lead to calcium deposits in the coronary arteries. This is addressed here: link to article (http://www.healthyfellow.com/568/calcium-heart-controversy/).

That said, other supplements I take:
Multi-vitamin
Omega 3 Fish Oil
CoQ10 (the bio-available active form - Kaneka Ubiquinol)
Juvenon (combination of a couple of anti-oxidants)
Q-Veratrol (even more anti-oxidants)

Things I am thinking about but haven't decided yet:
Niacin (for lowering cholesterol)
Magnesium
Calcium
Vitamin K
Krill oil (vs. regular fish oil)
High-Vitamin Fermented Cod Liver Oil (vs. regular fish oil)

spanky
07-09-2010, 09:33 AM
Good Morning!

Still on board here. Not totally caught up on the 10 Primal Guidelines, not having finished the book yet. I added some fresh michigan blueberries [1/2 cup]to my frittata breakfast and it's the first time in memory that blueberries tasted sweet to me!

Made a boo-boo yesterday--I was desperate for fluids in a hot car and guzzled 20 oz. of SoBe Life Water. It felt like I'd been transformed and renewed. I figured I was just that thirsty but when I read the bottle at home to see what the magic ingredient was it had 12 grams of carbs in it--the label touts it as zero calories. Since when is 12gms of carbs 0 calories???? Sheesh!

This last week I've been making the change from probably hundreds of grams of carbs a day to maybe 50. There are some issues, intense thirst and bouts of weakness as I jolt and bump along toward "Primality". But the bright side is I haven't had that ghastly depressing bloat I always had before.

I have to say that Mark-the Primal Blueprint author--makes it sound so promising if I can get with the plan that my hopes are actually raised. I have felt like walking roadkill for at least five years and I have been doing so much to battle the menopausal decline and not seen much of it work for me. I look in the mirror [the days I have the energy to face it!] and wonder how someone who weighs so little looks so awful! Our family has lived on The Stress Planet for the last 5 years, and I know that's a big part, but I often think that if it feels this bad at 52, I don't want to find out what 75 will be!

At any rate, I actually feel a sparkle of hope. Maybe this will work?

By the way does this thread have a weigh in day?

Happy Friday! Spanky

Ilene
07-09-2010, 09:44 AM
This last week I've been making the change from probably hundreds of grams of carbs a day to maybe 50. There are some issues, intense thirst and bouts of weakness as I jolt and bump along toward "Primality". But the bright side is I haven't had that ghastly depressing bloat I always had before.
I was also thirsty and felt weak the first 3-4 weeks, but it goes away, it's the ''carb flu'' they speak of on MDA...Bloat!! OMG I only get bloat now when I eat carbs, that was the biggest difference for me...

Hang in there spanky, it'll get better...

tymaboy
07-09-2010, 01:51 PM
I have been in ketosis for ten days now. I just came out of it r/t feeling dizzy and sweaty at work. I didn't take my blood sugar, but I did drink 4oz oj and within ten minutes I felt MUCH better.

Despite my ten days of ketosis, I haven't lost a single pound! Gotta love my metabolism. Takes a licking and keeps on fighting me tooth and nail for every single ounce of fat. :dizzy:


I have had same problem. No loss but the strips say I am in ketosis.

I get the bloated feeling when I eat a lot of carbs at a time. I am not completely carb free but it is is around 50 or less. I felt guilty after eating the turkey wrap yesterday that I made sure to make a good decision for dinner last nite. I had a salad with shrimp. This morning I had to take DS to get his pass port ordered before it went up in price next week. We also stopped at the chiropractor, when we walked out we were both hungry so we went to Village in for breakfast. I had eggs, sausage, fruit & the strawberry crepes sounded really good so I had one of those as well. I probably should have done without the crepes but..... I will be sure to eat something better tonite. This weekend will not be that great, we are going to a baseball game in Milwaukee. DH work will be having a tail gate party before the game, that will save us some money. I am hoping that they have some good chooses for me to pick from.

Ilene
07-09-2010, 02:01 PM
Bob, definitely post your recipe :yes: ...

BibBob
07-09-2010, 06:34 PM
Bob ... I'm not sure if sedentary little women need quite that much protein.

You're probably right. I have no idea what my macros are, and I really don't care as long as my meals are primal, fatty, balanced between meat and veggies.


As for omega ratios ... how do folks figure? I really have no idea how much is in the food I eat. Grassfed beef? store bought eggs? A handful of nuts? It's a crap shoot, so I just take some. If my ratios are better ... well then that's better ... right?

Wow, how'd I get to be so laid back about a detail? This from the gal who used to wipe frying pans and weight the papertowel to see how much fat I'd successfully removed!

That's too funny. I've heard about people like you! On the omega 3, I agree 100%. Even if you study labels or research your food online, the amounts not only vary in real food and cannot be calculated precisely, even the supplements have that problem. So, I'm just consciously increasing my 3 and decreasing my 6, and keeping the six unrefined. No seed oils, plenty of meat and nuts. Ratio shmatio.

My supplements:

Milk Thistle (daily fasters need for liver health)
Zinc (small dose once a week to avoid depletion on a fast)
Magnesium (small dose every other night)
D3 (5000 IUs every other day depending on sunshine)
Omega 3 (small dose with non seafood meals)
CoQ10 (once a week)
Melatonin (before bed when I remember)
Acetyl L Carnitine (with meals)

All of these have been sold to me in one article or another. I cannot say I noticed anything about supplementing...until I added the carnitine. I definitely got a nice surge in energy after adding that one, but it was added along with melatonin so I cannot be positive which energized me. I hate taking supplements, but I figure I should be careful with nutrient supply considering the way I fast. I'm probably going to add vitamin C since I don't eat much of it, and maybe a couple others. Sigh. I am not a fan of doing this, but it feels smart.



I have to say that Mark-the Primal Blueprint author--makes it sound so promising if I can get with the plan that my hopes are actually raised.

At any rate, I actually feel a sparkle of hope. Maybe this will work?

By the way does this thread have a weigh in day?


I only weigh in once a month, on the first. Others seem to weigh on the hour. lol
I hope this works for you Spanky. So far it has been a life changer for me. The food is just right up my ally. I am so relieved to eat this way and not fear foods I love or eat foods I hate. I thought beating grains would take forever. I no longer crave them and no one really notices me not eating them. I bloated too in the beginning and went through a week of flu symptoms. I thought it was the cabbage, but I remember feeling like a balloon.

Hope tailgating was fun Tyma. I miss living closer to civilization.

I won't forget the recipe. My mom fed her's to my dog and the dog loved it, so I guess there's two of us around here who like fishy. :)

Ilene
07-09-2010, 06:58 PM
Spanky -- I, one of the anal ones, weighs in every day, same time same place...

It's been a good day Primal food wise, I didn't exercise but I moved books and shelves in the library for a few hours today, so I'm calling that my exercise... I was hungry at work all day so I must have been burning some fat :dance: ...

srmb60
07-10-2010, 05:20 AM
Look out! I'm awake and feel like chatting but my everyone else is still asleep ;)

Did I tell ya about our restaurant breakfast? DH goes to the same place several times a week. We went to school with Janet who had the foresight to build a coffee/donut shoppe a couple of blocks from here. It's on a truck route that has probably almost 100 kms between restaurants. We think she's brilliant!
I went with him the other day and said "I'll have what he's having".
Janet herself delivered our bacon, sausage and eggs (no hash browns, no toast) "You eat like this too?" She wanted details! LOL!

Let me see ... what else was I going to comment on ...

I, too, weigh every day. I used to track salt/fluid retention wrt blood pressure issues. I think it's habit. I hardly fluctuate more than the weight of a pyjama tanktop now.

Spanky ... your feelings seem an awful lot like mine did in my mid 40's. I felt antique. I remember crying one day when I realised that I'd have to work for another 20-some years feeling that decrepit! And I only worked part-time then.
I'm really believing Sissons stuff about normalizing hormones. Either out of intelligence or desperation :?:

And about bloat? Assuming you're talking about puffy water retention. Potato chips last night. More than my fair share of 1 1/2 bags between two of us. Maybe .4 of a pound. As long as it's not grain carbs ... I'm good.
And still on the topic of potatoes ... I hobbled to the bathroom this morning on creaking ankles, knees and hips. I was half way there before my back would straighten. Dastardly nightshades!

On the topic of anal-retentiveness ... I put all that food into fitday the other day to check micro's and never did look at macro's. I don't even know how many calories it was. Believe it or not!

I should be more conscientious about adding supplements. I've added a couple together and am not sure which is having what effect. But something is certainly helping with mood. I've cut my antidepressant dose back again. I think I'm doing OK.

And calcium? I changed from cal-mag and D to some of each, thinking that the one tablet was proving too much calcium if I took enough for the mag and D. I was trying to explain this to a friend who said that's exactly what her doctor told her.

The potassium I ordered wasn't even here yet when someone spoke to me about antioxidants. Oi! Something else to consider.

If Tymaboy is looking for a simple solution to the complex problem of eating summer party food? If it has grain in it ... don't eat it. That's what I'd do. I figure that nothing (for one day) is as bad as it is if you mix it with grains ... and maybe sugar.

I might have to play ball hockey today. I don't think my men have enough players. I don't mind being a sub but I'm not hanky on the idea of having to play my fair share of a whole tournament! I'm not very sporty.

Holy novel Mr Dickens! Best move along and do something else ... like maybe moderate something while I'm here :lol3:

One more thing for Ilene ... I bought a box of red wine yesterday and it made me homesick for you :cheers:

wildviolets
07-10-2010, 09:13 AM
Susan,
Thank you for saying that about hormones and your forties!!!! I'm forty four and I've been blaming my multitude of problems on hormones (and I suspect I'm writing). The good thing about going through all that is that I've found this way of eating and I'm exercising regularly both of which help me sleep better and that helps ALOT!

Anyway, you posting that was more amo for me to tell my gyne next time I see her. I haven't found one that takes me seriously yet. Still looking for a good one.

By the way, Susan, did all this crappiness go away or did you just get used to it? Just wondering. Right now my hormones are better behaved. (hehe).

Off to a family reunion.......no bad carbs, no bad carbs, no bad carbs.

Have a good weekend all of you!!

srmb60
07-10-2010, 04:23 PM
Oh man yes! I feel much better. I can easily get through a days work. I can out lift almost anybody :) even the young ones. I still have hot flashes but no mood swings. And I think I can work another ten years or so.

Hey, I played hockey and our team are the champions! I'll post some pics on facebook.

srmb60
07-10-2010, 08:18 PM
I'm not very picture savvy but here we go ...
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a34/susan_stef/th_3on3hockey2010075.jpg (http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a34/susan_stef/?action=view&current=3on3hockey2010075.jpg)

We won the "A" Division!!!

Those old people on the right? That's us :)

spanky
07-10-2010, 10:03 PM
Hey there.

Could I be past this 'carb flu' already?? I'm feeling great! What amazes me so far is how long I can go on these types of meals. I'm not constantly sniffing around for another bagel to snatch just to get me to lunch! This morning I had some braised pork and 1/2 cup of blueberries and proceeded to run my 4 year old into the ground!

Yes. I am going to be 53 this month and I have a 4 yr. old son--this is the main reason something has to change!

I got up and tried to do my usual round of weight lifting in a more primal way--faster with each round of weights heavier. Breakfast. Then off for my son's first visit to a Farmers Market. I was able to find two sources of organic meats [much to my surprise]...Then to the Cathedral for a visit. On to the Ice Cream Garage to watch the kid down a cup of Peanut Butter Chunk ice cream. I wasn't even tempted--I had a bottle of water.

Home--he got lunch and a nap. I had some tuna salad. Then we went to a pizza party/Birthday cake event for Great Gramma. I had water. I am simply astonished at the lack of constant hunger! Right now is more braised pork and a pot of summer squash from the Farmers Market.

I think what made me wander into considering this way of eating was watching my husband become a diabetic. Two years ago he was actually diagnosed as a late, Type 1 diabetic. One day his pancreas simply began to die. He had to scramble to keep up with what was actually a new pancreas every day. He got so serious about dealing with it that he began to eat nearly primal overnight because it was the safest thing to do. And lost every ounce of his extra weight. I never believed him saying it was not that hard to resist sweets.

Hmph. I guess I get it now.

I do weigh in daily and just for fun took a set of measurements this morning. I'll post my new weight on Monday.

Oh please--- let this last!

Spanky :crossed:

spanky
07-10-2010, 10:14 PM
Sorry, I sorta went off....I wanted to say:

Susan--way to go on the hockey gig! Was this ice hockey or street hockey? Or is that a dumb question considering you're in Ontario?

Bob--thank you so much for the encouragement, you're a great "Primal Ambassador"!

Ilene--Menopause at this point is waaay better than peri-menopause. A few hot flashes but far less bingeing.

Supplements Recommended by my Dr:

Calcium
Vitamin D--Just started this one
Flax Oil [another source of the Omega-3's without the "Aquarium-flavored after burp"]
Multi Vitamin
And I use Morton's Lite Salt which is half Potassium Chloride and half Sodium Chloride

Okay. Maybe now I've got too much energy...? G'night!

spanx

walking2lose
07-11-2010, 02:06 AM
Susan -- just wanna say, you are adorable!! you look so tiny, and I love your hair (pulled back or cut short?). Very youthful and cute pic!

CJZee
07-11-2010, 08:14 AM
Susan ... you are gorgeous and tiny.

Kathy ... I think the best thing we can do is just keep going. Even though I am a slow weight loser, I look back and see how far I have come and can't help but continue. That's why I have that little saying near my ticker "keeping the win at my back". The way I look at it, I've already won a lot. If I just keep going forward it can only get better. I read on these boards somewhere about a woman who looked at her journey as a train ride. The train was going to the destination ... she really didn't need to do anything but stay on that train. I'm planning to stay on this train and get there! And I will. Of course, I have to "talk" to myself sometimes about this when I get down, my own personal pep talk. And you folks help me too.

Wildviolets ... I'm almost 60 (arghghhg, how did this happen?) Totally past menopause and feel super. I often have 40-years-olds flirting with me (at least I *think* I do, LOL, and that's what counts, right???)

Ilene ... I weigh every day also. Keeps me honest ... and is part of the *habit* stuff discussed below.

BibBob ... recipes always welcome.

Spanky ... it will last! The lack of driving hunger is amazing and the best part of this way-of-life. I remember years ago when I was on Weight Watchers (different from today’s WW) I lost 40 pounds and I was *starving* all the time. I did it through sheer white-knuckle willpower. But how long can a person sustain a fight with their own body?

In doing lowish carb, "real" food of course you can overeat but it’s not because you’re *driven* to it by your body. So, for me, I have just tried to make this way-of-life a habit. I read this quote and like to think about it because for me *rules* equate to willpower which can succumb in a weak moment; *habits* are just everyday life and I have decided Primal is what is normal. It feels normal and right, don't you think? Habits are safer than rules; you don't have to watch them, and you don't have to keep them, either. They keep you.
~ Frank Crane

Ilene
07-11-2010, 04:26 PM
One more thing for Ilene ... I bought a box of red wine yesterday and it made me homesick for you :cheers:OMG that is so sweet :hug: :cheers: We did have a great times when you were here... I love that pic you look great!

Spanky -- Menopause is definitely better than peri-menopause... I feel great now...

Well, yesterday DH and I went to Montreal, food wise the day was not primal and I am feeling the effects today, I'm constantly hungry and eating badly :rolleyes: ... For supper tonight I'll have to have lots and lots of veggies and protein... But we did a ton of walking in Montreal. I love Montreal, the people are so unique I love to sit and people watch and we did that a couple of times throughout the day... DH went on-line the night before and found a walking tour of a section of Montreal we had never seen.... We had breakfast at a cafe, went to a museum, had a beer in another cafe, walked to Old Montreal, took us 45 mins or so so we had another beer at a cafe we were hungry again by then so we had cranberry nachos OMG the best nachos I've ever had... Then we came home walked to an outdoor concert had a beer there and walked back home... Geez I was tired of walking :rolleyes: ... Today I am pooped, I did run/walk for 50 minutes this morning and did some abs too, but other than that I am drained from yesterday...

tymaboy
07-11-2010, 07:33 PM
Just got back from Milwaukee. Yesterday at lunch we were at a mall that did not give me much choose as to what to eat. I got another wrap, ate a little more then half of it & not even a handful of frys. My belly felt bloated for hours afterwards. This morning we had a late breakfast which I went with an omelet & did not eat the Am. fries that came with it.

I have decided to try my hand in running with my son. Tomorow nite will be my 1st run with him. Last time I tried it did not go over very well.

spanky
07-11-2010, 08:18 PM
Hey There,

The Carb Flu seems to have returned for a few hours despite no carb increase. Guess it'll take a while. I'd just broiled my first batch of "Organic Beef" and suddenly don't feel good enough to eat. And TIRED.

There's always tomorrow!

I'm posting my weigh in results on Monday--my best to all and to all a Good Night!

Spanky

srmb60
07-12-2010, 09:07 AM
Spanky ... road hockey ... if we were playing on ice they would never have asked me to play. I think I had skates on once in about 1991 :D
It was quite hot ... 90-ish. The nurse in me was shooing people into the shade and making sure they drank lots.
We changed the date to earlier in the summer because we usually fry out there in August. Didn't really work very well.
Maybe we should have tried the egg on the sidewalk thing. The kids would have liked that


DH played real hockey later. There's a fabulous "Y" near here that has an icepad year round.

tymaboy
07-12-2010, 10:18 AM
Just went back & read some posts that I missed during the weekend. Hockey sound fun. I never played. DS tried it once & he did pretty good, he got a goal right away.

ANy recipes posted would be great! DS was talking about cutting out junk food & watching what he eats as well. I told him he should go on my diet but he's not too keen on all the fruits & veggies that I have been eating.

I hopped on the scale this morning, it was nice to me. I think all the walking we had done this weekend helped me. I was pretty nervous cuz I ate pizza last nite (not alot) DS told me I should eat some carbs since we will be running tonite. He told me that I should eat some carbs the nite before we run & not eat carbs the rest of the time. I told him I will eat some carbs at dinner time but not any other time, I will see how that makes me feel. I dont know how it will work. If it doesnt work out then I will go back to 50 or less carbs a day.

koceank29
07-12-2010, 01:20 PM
Hey Tyma: If you go the carb route before running, try to eat sweet potatoes or a starchy veggie rather than grains. I don't eat more carbs on my wkout days but thats me, my body seems to learned to burn my fat for fuel pretty good by now.

So I dropped 4 lbs this week! yay! I ended up with tonsillitis on fri,sat, sun and starting to recover today. I'm finally able to speak again normally and swallow without the agony. I haven't been exactly primal because all I could get down was orange juice and some sugar free jello, but I've made sure I didn't eat any grains or sugar other than what was in the juice and I even limited it. I couldn't believe I was sitting there in misery thinking about how many carbs was in each glass of orange juice I had. I'm being beckoned...

spanky
07-12-2010, 02:35 PM
Hey kocean, me too! I actually lost 4 pounds last week, my first week of Primal eating. I know it's probably a lot of fluid, but I'll take it. I don't expect such drama this week but......yippee!:dancer:

Just delighted. So far so good!

Spanky

koceank29
07-12-2010, 04:56 PM
Hey kocean, me too! I actually lost 4 pounds last week, my first week of Primal eating. I know it's probably a lot of fluid, but I'll take it. I don't expect such drama this week but......yippee!:dancer:

Just delighted. So far so good!

Spanky

:carrot::carrot:

:wave:goodbye 4lbs! Its weight, no matter water or what, I'll always take it! CONGRATS!

BibBob
07-12-2010, 06:42 PM
That's a big old trophy Susan! Congrats!

Good job on the weight loss Kara and Spanky.

I've been dealing with some indirect stress, mental health of my brother, physical health of my mother, extreme summer boredom of my daughter. Bah. I am in a groove IF-ing every other day yet feeling plateaued, still happy to wait to weigh. I'm also finding the appetite control of calorie restriction combined with the satiety of primal eating has pretty much killed any desire for food. I'm fasting 36 hours without a single craving, just some thirst. I have to convince myself to eat. I feel great though. My mom really is an incredible Italian cook, very old school, very authentic, surprisingly primal. She made her meat sauce yesterday with rigatoni, but instead I steamed some zucchini and made zucchetti. It is really good. All I ate yesterday was a couple bowls of that and a couple slices of smoked pork leftover from the weekend, and a decent amount of yogurt and strawberries. So my total calories for the past three days (2 of them IFs), is about 1200. Um, crazy as it sounds, I am just not hungry.

This is a touch involved but here's the Mega Omega 3 Caesar's Salad:

You need a small cookie sheet and two large bowls.

Roughly chop one bunch of spinach, half a head of romaine and two omega3 hard boiled eggs. Grate 4 oz. of any omega 3 cheddar (grass fed is fine if you want to spend the $, but there's plenty of 03 cheese on the market now). Toss all together, cover with moist paper towel and refrigerate.

Mix 4 oz. of chopped walnuts with one 7.5 oz can of salmon and 1/2 cup parmesan cheese. Spread thinly on a cookie sheet and gently heat at 225 degrees until the rest of the salad is ready. A pie pan will work fine. This tops the salad when complete.

Put the below into a processor and mix until everything is chopped, but just before becoming a smooth paste.

1 clove garlic
2 sun-dried tomatoes in olive oil
8 smoked anchovy fillets
1/4 teaspoon dry mustard
5 sprigs chopped parsely
Freshly ground pepper, to taste
Juice and zest of 1/2 lemon
splash of balsamic vinegar
splash of red wine vinegar

In a large salad bowl whisk the following until you have a creamy texture

*2 coddled omega 3 eggs
1/3 cup virgin olive oil
3 tbs flax oil

This is like making mayo, so whip the eggs first, and very slowly add the oil. A broken mayo texture is fine though.

Coddled eggs are placed in warm water, brought to a boil and removed in one minute. They will not be cooked, but they will emulsify with the oil much easer.

Now add the paste to the emulsification and whip until the dressing clings to the sides of the bowl. Dump in the lettuce mixture and toss until nicely coated. Top with toasted walnuts/salmon/parm mixture. Eat.

tymaboy
07-12-2010, 08:03 PM
Bob that sounds really good! The zucchetti sounded good too. I need to remember to substitute a veggie like that instead of pasta.

Just got back from my run. Ran almost a mile. Doesnt sound like much but I actually made it farther then the last time I ran.

BibBob
07-12-2010, 08:24 PM
A chiffonade of cabbage is actually my favorite pasta replacement. Lightly salted and sauteed in butter, to me anyway, it's an improvement on that tasteless slimy wheat based stuff.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ad-CmPNc6HI/SoN6BMR2ImI/AAAAAAAAALk/S3oNdfOgWPA/s320/corte+chiffonade.bmp

That salad is very fishy. Just a warning.

spanky
07-12-2010, 09:29 PM
Tymaboy--go you!. I really miss running [had a failed foot reconstruction and have never even attempted it since...].

Bob-- How to you slice the cabbage so finely--in a chopper machine thing or just patiently with a knife? I'd like to try that. I've used spaghetti squash in place of pasta too.

I spent part of the evening on the MDA site researching the "Lift something" aspect of this program. Found a great thread about a guy who used SimpleFit for his workout and had some amazing before and after pix. The workout uses body weight and you don' need machines or weights. I may use it as part of my weights routine, it is so simple. If anyone is curious, here's the link:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/showthread.php?7663-SimpleFit-Excellent-Primal-Workout

The pix are pretty inspiring for such an easy sounding routine!

spanks

srmb60
07-12-2010, 11:56 PM
I'm impressed by a mile of running!

And by the recipes ....

And by the weight loss!

Ilene
07-13-2010, 09:21 AM
I'm impressed by a mile of running!

And by the recipes ....

And by the weight loss!:lol: me too!! Short and sweet because I am at work and have a ton of work to do before my 4 weeks vacation :dance: ...

:bravo: EVERYONE!!!

Just gonna print off that recipe first though :yes:

srmb60
07-13-2010, 01:40 PM
Good afternoon. I'm all ready for work and just sipping coffee waiting for it to be time to leave.

Hey folks? Do you think this primal thread is in the right place? In carb counters? Got any better ideas? General diet plans maybe?

koceank29
07-13-2010, 02:22 PM
Anyone have any thoughts or smart comments to throw back next week when I'm on vacation? I'll be in a condo with 4 other people all of whom eat CW healthy. My step-father and grandfather are sure to have something smart-a** to say every morning while I'm munching on my bacon and eggs, they both eat oatmeal with raisins or toast or bagels for breakfast. It will be hard to ignore them all week, so I'd like to nip it in the bud the first morning.

Any thoughts?????????? What would you say or do for a whole week.

BibBob
07-13-2010, 03:35 PM
If you wanted to avoid the comments, IF through breakfast. The other two meals have more agreeable primal foods. If you took off for a morning stroll while they sat there eating, they would have to admire your efforts, right? Just an idea.

I have a strong "center of attention" personality. It helps me in these situations. I've armed myself with half dozen simple health and weight loss sermons, and I deliver them when prompted.

1. "I have all the symptoms of metabolic syndrome. Insulin spikes cause fat storage and carbohydrates spike my insulin. The really good news is this has me avoiding some extremely unhealthy foods made from refined sugars and grains. Say what you will, I have lost ## pounds eating this way and have great energy for exercise."

2. "I've been looking into obesity research carefully and not one controlled study suggests low fat high carb diets create a weight loss advantage. In fact the obesity epidemic can be tracked for 40 years with our country's increasingly low fat high carb dogma. Weird but true."

3. "I'm in ketosis to control my blood sugar. You're on the krebs cycle from all the grains you consume. You burn carbs converted to glucose for fuel, I burn fats because glucose is not healthy for me. I ate the way you eat for years and became obese. We're not all the same. I've done my research and have this figured out for myself finally." Leave a copy of GCBC or PB on the kitchen counter.

4. "Cows eat grains. Humans eat cows. It was like that for 300,000 years. Why do you eat like a cow? Do you know cancer, cardiovascular diseases and diabetes are all diseases of post agricultural revolution? In the medical texts they are referred to as diseases of civilization. What changed? Sugar and grains, that's what."

You may want to post your question at MDA too. Those folks may have better, more sensitive, ideas.

koceank29
07-13-2010, 04:30 PM
Thanks Bob! I'm definitely armed and ready, those will help and the book I'll be leaving on the kitchen table. I'm not one to back down so they will probably drop it the first day once I aim and shoot.

Daphne
07-14-2010, 01:54 AM
Hello everyone, I have been ready this thread and the last one and I have a couple of questions. My main big one is, how hard is it to stay under 100g of when eating primal without looking up everything up? I have only ever counted calories and I have no idea how many carbs are in any food. My next question is, is there an induction period. Should I start out eating less than 50g of carbs for a set amount of time? Thanks for your help, Daphne

BibBob
07-14-2010, 03:30 AM
Hi Daphne. Welcome to the tribe! :)

There is no induction. There's no set rules beyond eating good clean whole foods (a lot do not qualify though as you probably know). You have wide boundaries to function within, and it depends on your situation and goals.

If you eliminate all refined sugar and all grains, restrict starches like taters and rice to rare occassions, keep fruit minimized and primarily berries, you will find being between 30 and 100 carbs is simple, even natural. I have to work to go over 50 carbs. I went over tonight deliberately, because I fast too much, by eating a banana with yogurt and strawberries. There was about 75g of carbs in that treat, but I wanted reload my liver after averaging under 20g a day for awhile. Anyway. This is a fun group and so is the food. We get BACON!

If you set up a fitday (http://www.fitday.com/) account, it will track your carbs for you. I'm not one for lots of tracking so I just used a carb counter (http://www.carbohydrate-counter.org/) for whatever I was about to eat.

koceank29
07-14-2010, 08:21 AM
Hey Daphne! I agree with Bob.

At first staying under 100g was hard, but within a week I was finding it hard to go over 75g and now its hard to go over 50g. I tracked my carbs and some calories at first to make sure I was on the right track but then stopped once I understood what foods would push me into maintenance mode or gaining mode. I have a lot to lose so I try to stay under the 50g mark and just go above it occassionally to throw my body off a little and re-fuel.

Ilene
07-14-2010, 08:40 AM
Hi Daphne :wave: and :welcome: ... Bob and Kara are right it gets easier with time... I had the hardest time staying under 100g when I started, now it's easy peasy :yes: to stay under 50g and 30g... That's a great carb site that Bob linked, I use Fitday also...

srmb60
07-14-2010, 09:34 AM
Morning everyone!

Hi Daphne ... If you're already a meat and potatoes gal, primal is super easy! Simply choose your meats and fats, then fill in with nice leafy greens and a few nibbles of fruit.
Salads are legendary here. Lettuce, cucumber, onion, radish, broccoli, cauliflower, celery, avocado, tomato, green pepper .... the possibilities are almost endless.
I'm not sure how many carbs are in that example but since there's no grain or sugar ... it's not much.
And I cast another vote for fitday although I don't use it much any more.

I got home from work last night and DH had bacon out of the freezer to thaw. Isn't he a good fella!

Ya know ... I've been dieting and/or healthy food nut for so many years people hardly mention any more. If I have to say something "Mmm hmmm ... I eat funny. You'll get used to me. Eveybody does."
Or ... explain how gassy some foods make you and since you'll be all hanging out together ....

CJZee
07-14-2010, 09:49 AM
Any thoughts?????????? What would you say or do for a whole week.

I have found that telling people I have food allergies does the trick. If you have an allergic reaction people are less likely to push things on you. So I have developed a "wheat allergy" because most sugary, starchy stuff is wheat based.

CJZee
07-14-2010, 09:51 AM
Hi everyone ... I have been struggling while away from home. I don't need any advice, I think I know what to do but I could use some friendly atta-girls.

Ilene
07-14-2010, 10:03 AM
Ya know ... I've been dieting and/or healthy food nut for so many years people hardly mention any more. If I have to say something "Mmm hmmm ... I eat funny. You'll get used to me. Eveybody does."


I'm the same way, no one questions me anymore ... They all think I'm a little off anyway :crazy:

Kara, when someone asks about what and why I don't eat something, I just shrug and say I'm not hungry for that right now, or I'm really hungry for bacon for a change...

srmb60
07-14-2010, 10:05 AM
Relax CJZee ... we appreciate you here even if you are struggling. You are smart and successful and know what to do!

Ilene
07-14-2010, 10:06 AM
Hi everyone ... I have been struggling while away from home. I don't need any advice, I think I know what to do but I could use some friendly atta-girls. :hug: :hug:

wendyland
07-14-2010, 11:09 AM
HI Daphne, I found it easier to transition slowly down to under 100 carbs. I started by sticking to around 150 carbs a day for a week or so and then down to 100 for awhile and then lower.

koceank29
07-14-2010, 12:18 PM
Go CJ Go, Go CJ GO!!!!!!! I hope you're enjoying your time.

Ilene
07-14-2010, 12:24 PM
Hi everyone ... I have been struggling while away from home. I don't need any advice, I think I know what to do but I could use some friendly atta-girls.Here's some more ..... :cheer: :cheer: ..... Just in case :D

BibBob
07-14-2010, 12:49 PM
Hi everyone ... I have been struggling while away from home. I don't need any advice, I think I know what to do but I could use some friendly atta-girls.

You've lost over 80 pounds! Rejoice! Enjoy life. Oops. You didn't ask for advice. :)

AttaGirl!

Daphne
07-14-2010, 01:05 PM
Thank you everyone for the links, advice and the warm welcome! I am excited to get started. When other lc plans became popular I never considered them because I had always thought that eliminating fruits and veggies such as carrots seemed odd. When I found MDA, however, it all made so much sense. I look forward in sharing my journey with you all!

wildviolets
07-14-2010, 04:22 PM
Hi everyone...I've been IFing since my husband is out of town and it really is not that bad! I'm definitely skipping breakfast from now on, but skipping dinner wasn't very hard last night....as long as I keep busy.

Anyway, I wanted to know if we could put together a list of primal meals/recipes that we could make into a stickie? Or to be honest this is something I'm hoping you guys could start because I don't know how to do much on these boards but post. Nothing elaborate.

I just think it would be helpful for us newbies if we could look at what some of you successful PB people eat for breakfast/lunch/dinner.

Just a thought.....no worries if it's going to be too much work.

Daphne: Welcome....these people have a wealth of information and experience and they are super nice to boot!

Kara: Good luck on your vacation. You seem like a fiesty chick who can handle her own. If they don't read GC,BC throw it at em'. (hehe)

CJZee: I'm just so impressed with what you have already lost. Hang in there!

Susan: Never did comment on your hockey pic.....my husband still plays hockey and he's 52! He would be super impressed with you.....And I agree with the others, you ARE super tiny and cute!

BibBob: Love your comebacks! I am a terrible debater.....I get all flustered when confronted. Good for you for being so well informed and willing to stand up for yourself.

Kara (part2): You could always just eat the bacon and eggs and say, "I'm on vacation" and then brag to them all when you come home from vacation and have lost weight.

Well time to pack up my computer and head back home. Enjoying a cup of coffee with real cream here at Borders. This is my favorite place to be when I have free time.

CJZee
07-14-2010, 05:18 PM
Thank you! Thank you! everyone for your best wishes. I know your kind thoughts have helped, I'm pretty sure I've felt them in the airwaves ;). Anyway, I do feel better right now mentally and have done well today thus far. CJ

tymaboy
07-14-2010, 08:51 PM
CJ- Your doing an awesome job!

I went running again today. Even though it was my second time out I have improoved since Mondays run. I did not have to stop & walk as much as I did on Monday & it was way hotter out today.

I stayed pretty much on track yesterday (I think) I made pea soup for dinner. I chopped up 1 potato for in it, so I only ended up having a few bites of potato yesterday. Lunch was a salad & fruit. Today I had left over pea soup & DS was hungry for a steak after our run. I chopped up some stuff for a salad but I was full after eating just the steak. If I get hungry later I will make a salad. I am waiting for it to cool off a little bit so I can go hop in the hot tub to help relax my muscles after the run.

Ilene
07-15-2010, 08:55 AM
Anyway, I wanted to know if we could put together a list of primal meals/recipes that we could make into a stickie? Or to be honest this is something I'm hoping you guys could start because I don't know how to do much on these boards but post. Nothing elaborate.

I just think it would be helpful for us newbies if we could look at what some of you successful PB people eat for breakfast/lunch/dinner.
I'll see what I can do :wizard:

tyma, way to go on the running :high:

srmb60
07-15-2010, 09:37 AM
I very much agree with this ... I just think it would be helpful for us newbies if we could look at what some of the PB people eat for breakfast/lunch/dinner.

Truth or dare ... how many times have you been asked if you eat raw meat?
Me? A few!

And have I mentioned lately that I love you people :love:

Daphne ... I grossly understood what low carb meant too. Even when I was eating boiled chicken breast and salad greens :?:

tymaboy
07-15-2010, 11:29 AM
OhOh I have the munchies! I'm a little hungry but not really. I know I dont need to eat right now. Its one of thoses munchie feelings that would not be a good choose of food. I hope I can over come it.

Ilene
07-15-2010, 11:32 AM
OhOh I have the munchies! I'm a little hungry but not really. I know I dont need to eat right now. Its one of thoses munchie feelings that would not be a good choose of food. I hope I can over come it.You shall overcome :yes: ... But if you're truly hungry, EAT!!

Leenie
07-15-2010, 12:52 PM
There is a sticky for your recipes... you ladies ROCK !!!

wildviolets
07-15-2010, 12:58 PM
Thank you for putting up the stickie Leenie!
I'll go post something to get it started.

Ilene
07-15-2010, 01:00 PM
There is a sticky for your recipes... you ladies ROCK !!!:woohoo: YOU rock girl!! :hug:

srmb60
07-15-2010, 01:10 PM
We love Leenie!

spanky
07-15-2010, 09:26 PM
Hi,

This is just a crummy drive-by post. Having a family emergency here. I have actually stayed 100% primal so far. Best wishes to all!

spanky

srmb60
07-15-2010, 11:51 PM
Here's to good thoughts for your family Spanky.

tymaboy
07-16-2010, 08:47 AM
Spanky- Hope everything is OK on your end.

Yesterday I had the bad case of the munchies but I am proud to say that I did not cheat! I was able to wait till lunch & ate a salad. For dinner we went out to a BBQ place. All their side dishes were not primal so I went for another salad with beef. It came with garlic toast that I did eat. So I guess I did end up cheating at the end of the day. Good thing today is Friday so I can run it off.

Speaking of running, I was talking to DS. He has told me several times that he wished that DH would run a marathon or something with him but DH doesnt run either. SO I did some research yesterday & in Oct. there is a 5K run. That is now my new goal to be able to do that come Oct. DS has been great when we run. He runs cross country & track in school (which he usually places :-) ) When he runs with me he slows down to my speed & talks me threw the entire run. I know it has be hard on him to run slower then he normally would.

Ilene
07-16-2010, 08:56 AM
Tyma -- A 5k in October is a great idea!! And congrats on only eating the toast, there's your 20% leeway...

I was hungry yesterday too and I used my 20% :lol:

Daphne : For breakfast lately I just have coffee with lots of coconut milk and a bit of coconut oil, then eat brunch around 11:30... Most meals for me are a protein, a BASalad and another cooked veggie...


Last day of work today :dance: then off for four weeks :beach:

wildviolets
07-16-2010, 09:19 AM
My thoughts are with you Spanky.

Tymaboy....that is so cool. It is one of my goals to really run in a 5k someday. I did run in a mother's day 5k but wasn't ready for it and tore my calf for the second time. I worry about doing it again if I start running again. So maybe it's time for a new exercise goal! (Also when I say run, I really mean a slow jog for me.)

But I think it's so great your son wants to do this with you! My son is only 5and I dream about someday doing things like that with him. It has to be a great healthy way to bond with him.

Ilene, you already do stuff like that huh? (I'm referring to the running). I really admire that.

And Susan....you play hockey for heaven's sake! Very cool!


Well I lost 4 lbs this week but it's mostly because I had eaten so bad the week before and had gained 4lbs. But I'm doing well. Skipped dinner again yesterday..........wasn't hungry at all.

It is a weird concept for me to only eat when I'm hungry and not feel like I"m missing out if I skip a meal. Crazy how we learn to live to eat instead of eat to live.

Have a good Friday all!

Ilene
07-16-2010, 09:36 AM
Wildviolet, :bravo: on the weightloss.... Yep I run or as you said jog, and love it!! I was in a 10k race last year and a speed walker passed me while while I was «running» :lol3: it was too funny...

srmb60
07-16-2010, 09:40 AM
Easy there Violet ... I only play once a year!

tymaboy
07-16-2010, 10:43 AM
Wildviolet, :bravo: on the weightloss.... Yep I run or as you said jog, and love it!! I was in a 10k race last year and a speed walker passed me while while I was «running» :lol3: it was too funny...

I can see that being me as well :dizzy: I think DS could walk as fast as I go :o

Yesterday I was able to read a bit farther in the book. I got to the point that it said I should stay away from peas :^: oops I was thinking that they were ok, I had made pea soup earlier this week & thought I was doing good making it from scratch. I also read about the protein shake. Does anyone drink it? I have been thinking about it for a while & now reading that it is ok I want to do it more. Do you use it as replacement for a meal? Or drink it at a certain time (before workout or after)? It says that the whey is the best so I will need to go to GNC to pick some up.

Ilene
07-16-2010, 10:51 AM
Tyma, I used whey protein powder but sparingly and in a pinch and not really as a meal replacement but more as a snack... I know it's probably not good but I rarely eat right after a workout, even a weight workout, but it also depends at what time of the day it is, if it's at night I won't eat unless I am really really ravenously hungry... I have the GNC brand and add some blueberries or strawberries to it... I have never found a protein shake/powder that is actually good, I've tried a LOT too, I just make it and down it...

walking2lose
07-16-2010, 01:04 PM
Hi all --

Glad to see things are going well for most. Spanky, I hope nothing terrible has happened - thinking of you!

I have had a very heartbreaking week -- my husband and I had to put my dear sweet kitty, who I've had for 18 years, to sleep. She was such a good baby, and it was so hard. I suffered some carb explosion eating the last couple days - nothing too terrible, but definitely stress eating. Also, I haven't managed to exercise all week - just too depressed. Sleep has suffered too.

It's really hot out, but I'm going out for a good walk now - I know it will make me feel better.

Hope everyone has a healthy and very PRIMAL weekend!

tymaboy
07-16-2010, 01:25 PM
Claire- so sorry to hear about your kitty. I know how hard that can be. I have 3 cats & a dog. The day after Easter we had to put our Chihuahua down. He was 13 (only had him for 3 yrs) It was really hard on me as I work from home & we spent those 3 yrs together 24/7. I still can not look at his pictures as they make me cry. The vet gave us another dog 2 weeks after Taco passed. This one is DS's they bonded right away & was hard to say no when the dog was sitting on DS's lap & both looking at you saying please can I keep him.

CJZee
07-16-2010, 01:28 PM
Hi,

This is just a crummy drive-by post. Having a family emergency here. I have actually stayed 100% primal so far. Best wishes to all!
spanky

Best wishes to you too ... hope the family emergency isn't too bad. :hug:

katerina11
07-16-2010, 01:36 PM
it's nearing 2pm and I've eaten once today. I gorged.

5 eggs cooked sunny side up in 2 T butter
cup coffee with cream

I'm going to try and space it out more evening during the day.

wendyland
07-16-2010, 01:46 PM
I can see that being me as well :dizzy: I think DS could walk as fast as I go :o

Yesterday I was able to read a bit farther in the book. I got to the point that it said I should stay away from peas :^: oops I was thinking that they were ok, I had made pea soup earlier this week & thought I was doing good making it from scratch. I also read about the protein shake. Does anyone drink it? I have been thinking about it for a while & now reading that it is ok I want to do it more. Do you use it as replacement for a meal? Or drink it at a certain time (before workout or after)? It says that the whey is the best so I will need to go to GNC to pick some up.

If I need a quick breakfast or need a snack, I do drink protein shakes. I always add a few frozen strawberries with it to make it taste better. I found one that uses stevia as the sweetener. It's not too bad.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001PYXMD2/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000LVMRH2&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=04QZT4J5ZXEPYJ5BG4WW

BibBob
07-16-2010, 02:38 PM
Just stopping by to say hi. Today is a fast day for me as Wednesday was supposed to be. I grow tomatoes for market and they finished their season. I ended up cleaning out the rows and composting a ton of material accidentally eating the last of cherry tomatoes as I worked. :)

I didn't even realize I was eating until I had popped a dozen of the sweet little boogers. That just prompted me to fry up five pieces of bacon with some lettuce mayo and more maters to eat them properly. I couldn't fast yesterday because mom knew it was my eating day and mom wanted to cook primal for me. This was a first. How's that for converting a doubter? How cool is that for an 83 year old diabetic!? She planned this meal in advance so I had to eat yesterday too. It was very good, prime rib roast, a medley of six veggies, and a simple salad.

So for the past two days, I have had one meal a day. I suspect that will be my typical pattern in the future after I reach my goal. It really seems to work great for me. I have no idea if I can keep up the 25 pound a month pace this month, and I "feel" plateaued again, but I already decided not to be disappointed by any number. I knew it would get harder and perhaps not be realistic. Eh, we'll see. Two weeks to go before I weigh.

Stay strong everyone! Lift some weights and lose some weight!

Leenie
07-16-2010, 03:08 PM
We love Leenie!

I love you too :o

And if you need anything else, just let me know :D

.

tymaboy
07-16-2010, 11:48 PM
I can tell I am making some progress!! I took the bike out tonite & I have a pair of pants that I wear when I ride. The last time I wore them I just barley got them zipped, this time they zipped without a problem.

srmb60
07-17-2010, 12:06 AM
Three cheers for zipping things up!

I was so hungry when I got home from work tonight! I've had cheese, raspberries, strawberries, avocado, the crumbs out of a bag of beef jerky ... And speaking of protein powder ... I blended up coffee, coconut oil, cream and pp in my travel mug to take to work. It was fabulous! I need a bigger mug.

katerina11
07-17-2010, 02:37 AM
tymaboy, that's awesome! :carrot:

ok so today's food

coffee with cream (am going to change that to coconut oil for tomorrow)
five eggs sunny side up in butter

big salad with spring greens, romaine, red cabbage, carrots, red bell pepper, fennel, purple onion, egg, bacon and caesar yogurt dressing.
small portion of butter chicken (which i think was dredged in flour. i got it from wegman's. i'll never get it again just in case)

not much and im hungry. i was at the drive-in and couldnt get any food they offer there, so i waited until we got home and now i cant decide what i want! im a bit shaky though, so i definitely need something.

wildviolets
07-17-2010, 09:30 AM
quick ketosis question for you.....can you tell if you are in ketosis if you have acid/ph paper? I found some in my drawer and it has a range of 5.0 to 9.0 or something like that. Is ketosis in that range or is that a stupid question? I don't want to buy ketosticks right now and thought I could make do.

walking2lose
07-17-2010, 09:40 AM
Hi all -- violet - sorry, I can't answer the sticks question, but I bet someone can.

Susan - you and a couple others have mentioned being really hungry lately -- me too! I even had horrible carb craving this week which I attribute to the stress and trauma of dealing with my dying cat and her subsequent death. But even yesterday, I felt this gnawing hunger, and today my tummy was rumbling upon waking up (we had a wonderful steak dinner last night with grilled squash, zuchini, onions, and eggplant and also sliced garden tomatoes on side).

We are heading to the farmer's market now with our big cooler -- I'm hunting berries, grass fed meat, farm eggs, and organic dairy (the hardest thing for me to find for some reason). We have a large vegetable garden, but I'll be happy if I can find a few of those items.

Weight is holding steady... need to focus on making it drop. But I feel I am easily not gaining, which was not heard of before I went primal. I had to battle daily just NOT to gain, and losing was so much work and deprivation!

Have a primal day!

katerina11
07-17-2010, 12:12 PM
quick ketosis question for you.....can you tell if you are in ketosis if you have acid/ph paper? I found some in my drawer and it has a range of 5.0 to 9.0 or something like that. Is ketosis in that range or is that a stupid question? I don't want to buy ketosticks right now and thought I could make do.

There are so many variables that affect pH, I wouldn't even begin to know how to try and assume that one is in ketosis. I will say that if you are more on the acidotic side, one of the reasons could be that you are in ketosis. 7.35 - 7.45 = normal range with the lower side being more acidotic. If you get much outside of that range, and it's on the acid side and you don't have any lung or kidney problems, AND you're VLC'ing it, one can assume that it's related to ketosis, but typically that would also mean you are diabetic.

I don't know how much anyone knows about this stuff. I hope you don't think I'm treating you like you don't know anything!

wildviolets
07-17-2010, 12:21 PM
I don't know anything about it. No worries.

I just had the acid/ph papers and thought maybe I could use them. I think I'll forgo the ketosis analyzing and just concentrate on how I feel and eating as healthy as possible.

Thanks for your imput though Kathy!

BibBob
07-17-2010, 12:32 PM
Hi Kathy, just eyeballing I think you're just over a 1000 calories with what you listed. 5 eggs, bacon, chicken and a bunch of veggies. Fats and protein look fine. Carbs are real low. I think some fruit, preferably berries, but even more substantial if helpful, would have made that a great primal dieting day. So what did you do for the shakes?

Good job supporting local farmers Claire.

widlviolets, ketosis will drop your body's Ph, but I wouldn't know how to confirm it with Ph strips. Btw, that just emphasizes the importance of alkaline veggies on a very low carb program to keep Ph normal. Ketoacidosis is dangerous and dieting diabetics need to monitor ketosis closely. I think this issue is probably why conventional wisdom tells diabetics to eat a couple slices of bread and a few servings of fruit daily. Bad idea for someone who wants to reverse diabetes,but whatever.

I taste ketosis in the back of my mouth. I can also smell it in my urine when I don't exercise. If you exercise enough you will burn your ketones and not only not be able to taste it or smell it, but they will not appear on the ketostix. So even having the right test paper won't always be accurate.

I'm 38 hours into a fast. I walked 10 miles yesterday. It was between 95 and 105 while I walked. I wore soaking wet clothes. hehe

My brother is a coffee snob from his years in Hawaii. I am drinking great coffee every day since he's been here. This morning we were both groggily watching the pot fill with mugs in hand and he called me....

"TINY" hah!

I'm definitely swimming in this shirt, which once was one of the only ones that fit me decently. Mom is right about something though. My shoulders and chest, butt and thighs are shrinking much faster than my belly. Subcutaneous fat is melting and visceral fat, which is far more unhealthy, is stubborn. I'm in a phase where I probably look worse with my shirt off.

Two sisters in town from LA. Possibly barbequing for a crowd today. My stomach gurgled a little with the coffee, but I am not feeling hungry... again.

walking2lose
07-17-2010, 05:20 PM
Claire- so sorry to hear about your kitty. I know how hard that can be. I have 3 cats & a dog. The day after Easter we had to put our Chihuahua down. He was 13 (only had him for 3 yrs) It was really hard on me as I work from home & we spent those 3 yrs together 24/7. I still can not look at his pictures as they make me cry. The vet gave us another dog 2 weeks after Taco passed. This one is DS's they bonded right away & was hard to say no when the dog was sitting on DS's lap & both looking at you saying please can I keep him.

Tyma - I didn't see this post earlier --Thank you so much for the kind words! It means so much to know that others understand -- I am so sorry to hear about your chihuahua -- gosh, the unconditional love they give us is so amazing -- they really do break our hearts when they go, don't they?

notanothernickname
07-17-2010, 08:27 PM
I'm currently doing another program that isn't working as well for me as I'd like. Some friends have done/are doing it but the packaged food bit doesn't seem to be for me. I've got about 60 pounds I'd like to burn off.

I've read all this month's posts and am impressed with your results and the community you've built. You refer to some books and websites, I've figured out some of them but not all:
PB = Primal Blueprint
MDA = marksdailyapple [dot] com
GCBC = ???

Thanks in advance!

edit: found GCBC through looking up PB on amazon ... GCBC = Good Calories Bad Calories by Gary Taubes.

BibBob
07-17-2010, 09:25 PM
hi notanothernm,

I think you make a wise choice if you're breaking away from a prepackaged food plan. All due respect to Jenny and the rest of them, but there is just something unsustainable about having someone else prepare your food for you.

This is about eating healthy whole foods,eliminating unhealthy refined foods; changing your lifestyle, not your diet. It can be a real challenge to swear off processed sugar, refined oils and grains, but for someone like me, prediabetic, it seems the smartest thing to do.

I eat so good it's embarrassing sometimes. Today I had a pound of top sirloin cooked up carne asada style with a whole avocado. Dessert was homemade yogurt with toasted walnuts topped with organic strawberries reduced in coconut milk to make a sweet syrup.

I didn't eat this good getting fat. Cereal, sandwiches, pasta-- it all seems like a waste of time spent eating now. :)

katerina11
07-17-2010, 11:47 PM
Hi Kathy, just eyeballing I think you're just over a 1000 calories with what you listed. 5 eggs, bacon, chicken and a bunch of veggies. Fats and protein look fine. Carbs are real low. I think some fruit, preferably berries, but even more substantial if helpful, would have made that a great primal dieting day. So what did you do for the shakes?



Cashews. A couple ounces.

I am not all that interested in fruit anymore. Maybe it's just a phase?

I found a really good yummy dessert though! Frozen mango pieces and a can of coconut milk. Whipped up in a frothy cold yummy treat. No extra sugar or anything needed. I'll eat more of that.

I am quitting dairy. I post over at mothering and the primal ladies there said my lack of weight loss could be allergy related. Even though used to I sort of poopoo all that stuff, since quitting wheat and finding that it was directly related to my horrible life impeding GERD, I am willing to give up foods to see if it helps with anything.

So today is my first full day without dairy. Yesterday, I had caesear dressing and a bit of cream in coffee so it's almost two days. A day without cheese is a strange day indeed, for me.

four eggs cooked in butter
coffee with coconut oil (weird! but ok)

cashews and dried apricots (about ten apricots and half cup of cashews)

2 chicken breasts cooked in bacon fat

1/3 c cashews

srmb60
07-18-2010, 05:19 AM
Oh my Heavens! You should have seen my grand-daughter's birthday cake! Bit a cake with yer icing? Super sweet. I had two burger patties and fruit as well. Not good but not horribly bad either.

She and I went for a little walk (bare foot) to see a neighbours garden. Part exercise and part play ;)

I struggle with cheese. It's just so convenient! I definitely have gastro symptoms if I eat too much dairy.

wildviolets
07-18-2010, 08:05 AM
Did TERRIBLE yesterday. Went to a graduation party and it was so freaking hot and sticky and I ate LOTS of sweets. (Sweets are my downfall).

But then I came home and went swimming with DH and DS and had a good time.

Having people over for dinner today. Should be lots of swimming and hopefully good eating......maybe a little drinking. We are having a pulled pork from MDA, my MIL's beans (green beans sauteed with bacon and grating cheese) and potato salad. The only bad thing we are having is potato salad and no sweets. So if I steer clear of that I should do good.

Have a good Sunday!

notanothernickname
07-18-2010, 08:53 AM
I think you make a wise choice if you're breaking away from a prepackaged food plan. All due respect to Jenny and the rest of them, but there is just something unsustainable about having someone else prepare your food for you.

This is about eating healthy whole foods,eliminating unhealthy refined foods; changing your lifestyle, not your diet. It can be a real challenge to swear off processed sugar, refined oils and grains, but for someone like me, prediabetic, it seems the smartest thing to do.

I eat so good it's embarrassing sometimes. Today I had a pound of top sirloin cooked up carne asada style with a whole avocado. Dessert was homemade yogurt with toasted walnuts topped with organic strawberries reduced in coconut milk to make a sweet syrup.

I didn't eat this good getting fat. Cereal, sandwiches, pasta-- it all seems like a waste of time spent eating now. :)

Bob, thanks for your suggestions. I agree with you 100% about the unsustainability of eating prepared food. The program I've been using is, believe it or not, probably more processed than Jenny; I've been having some mildly disconcerting reactions to the preservatives and sweeteners.

I definitely need to move to food as we humans were intended to consume it. My mind and body are just better when capital-F food is in my tummy. What you ate today sounds GREAT!

I've been off refined carbs --sugar, alcohol, grain flours and whole grains -- for almost a month and do feel better for it. It's inspiring that you don't hear or respond to the siren song of cereal, pasta and breads. I'm impressed and encouraged.

I'll probably phase off current program in the next 7-10 days: returning or exchanging what food I can, using/selling/giving away the food I can't return or exchange, and restoring my diet to food only one or two steps from its original state.

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Call me Nan ... not another nickname :)

tymaboy
07-18-2010, 10:41 AM
I messed up yesterday & am paying for it this morning. I think I started off good (could be wrong) I had my coffee w/cream & Splenda. I was so busy yesterday that I did not get a chance to eat anything till around 3 which was when I was cutting up a cantalope & a new melon that I had never seen in our grocery store before. Its a brite yellow sugar (?) honey dew melon. It is very sweet & taste like sure was added to it so I am sure it is not considered primal. I didnt eat too much of the fruits while cutting it up before we had to run out again. When we got home my neighbor wanted us to go over for dinner so we headed over. They made steak kabobs. She made a new kind of salad, an Asian type with asparagus, snap peas, cabbage, cashews & some other stuff & made a peanut sauce that was not too spicey. She also made a potato salad. I ate the Asian salad & DS only eats the potatoes in the potato salad so I ate the onions & celery (in the Helmans mayonnaise mixture) Later DH & I hoped in the hot tub & I drank 2 glasses of my neighbors homemade grape wine (which she always adds some other alcohol to it) Those 2 glasses was too much I had to eat something to help soak up some of the alcohal but eating a salad does not do the trick so after I ate that I grabed a couple bites of a blue berry muffin, that helped. This morning my blood levels are off, 1st time in a few months that they have been messed up. I will be staying away from her wine for a while. I did not think anything of it when I drank it last nite cuz DH & I make our own wine & it does not effect me like hers did.

I noticed yesterday that my family has been eating differently as well. They still eat carbs & junk food but not like they had been. Since I have started DS has decided to cut back on what he eats & to cut out the junk food. He does not like veggies but will eat certain ones. Some of his chooses are not the greatest cuz there are time when he will go to Sub Way or McDonalds for lunch or dinner. DH has cut back on the amount of his junk food but we did just buy ice cream at the grocery store yesterday. I talked to him last nite about running with DS & I. He's not sure that he wants to try it.

BibBob
07-18-2010, 12:29 PM
Good Sunday everyone. I messed up a little too, but I'm more frustrated than anything. We had company, confusion, messed up plans. Some went out to dinner, some just didn't eat. That was me. I went for my 6 mile walk late at night. Got home and decided to eat because I'm planning on fasting all day today. I cooked up a big three ingredient omelet. Eggs, bacon, cheddar. I cooked six pieces of thick bacon and ate all of them. :)

I woke with the same headache I used to get eating lots of sugar. I can't believe the small amount of sugar in cured bacon would do this, but it did. I need to just part ways with all sugar. They used to call it sugar diabetes. A crowd of friends and family headed out for the lake this morning, I was planning to go but I just stayed here with my headache that just didn't want to face the road and bright morning light. Tested my blood sugar-- 114. Highest in a month. From bacon. Ugh. Guess I have to step up and get the more expensive/primal uncured stuff.

Tyma, with no persuading at all, I am noticing a dietary shift in those around me too. I love it. Dd is off of bread with the exception of getting an occasional Subway with her friends -- less than once a week. My mom has started taking primal ideas to heart, given up bread, but still needs her biscotti with morning coffee.

Nan, the siren call was loud and clear for a month. The first two weeks were much like quitting cigarettes. I fed the withdrawal symptoms with nuts. I cannot say when the cravings turned to distaste exactly, but it happened sometime this month. So I went from feeling tortured cold turkey for a month, to just missing them occasionally for a month, to finally losing interest in the grains.

srmb60
07-19-2010, 09:28 AM
Good morning!
Welcome Nan!

I went for a walk during my lunch yesterday. I'm not sure what felt better ... just getting out of the building for a half hour or the praise I got from a visitor who saw me.

Absolutely primal food yesterday, with the addition of a protein shake and a glass of wine at bedtime.

Ilene
07-19-2010, 10:44 AM
Good morning guys and gals :wave: and :welcome: Nan :D ...

Nan, glad you're getting rid of that processed stuff :barf: ... It's really so nasty...

I was not very Primal on Saturday AND Sunday :faint: and this morning the scale rewarded me with 4.5 lbs of bloat... :frypan: :kickbutt: back to the ole grind today again ...

Some running this afternoon and weight training tonight... if the weather clears maybe I can convince DD to do some rollerblading too... Sort of a triathlon sort of day :lol:

I am on vacation as of today :carrot: we were supposed to go zip lining this morning but it was pouring rain, we will go tomorrow, the weather is showing some sun :sunny:

tymaboy
07-19-2010, 10:48 AM
I felt guilty yesterday day cuz DH made (homemade) pizza for lunch & invited the neighbors overs. When I cut the pizza I made sure to cut them with smaller slices. I ate 3 slices (3 different pizzas) I also made sure to eat fruit. After eating the pizza & feeling guilty for eating it I made sure to eat good the rest of the day. I also went for a run to help make up for it. I was very proud of myself it was the 1st time I ran a whole mile. I ran it without stopping to walk. I did not warm up long enough cuz when we started I told DS that I could feel it in my groin area. After we got running a little farther I did not feel it & did not feel it stretching afterwards but I sure did a few hours later. The hot tub did wonders for it last nite. I hardly feel this morning but can still tell it is pulled.

CJZee
07-19-2010, 07:53 PM
I've been doing pretty well the last three days, and I created a new "count-down" line chart to track my daily loss until Aug 10 when I'm leaving for a wedding.

I've plugged in a daily weight for each day that -- if I can follow it -- will result in me being 199 by the time I leave. I know 7 pounds doesn't seem like much, but I've been sitting at this weight for almost 2 months so losing 7 pounds would be a dream for me, especially since it would put me in Onederland.

I'm going to use this wedding (not mine!) as a little extra push to get to this landmark weight which I haven't been for 20 years (actually, I haven't been at my current weight, 206, for 20 years, so woot-woot for that.)

srmb60
07-19-2010, 10:53 PM
Woot woot indeed!

I'm having trouble sleeping ... sigh ... so it's me and merlot at the computer.

DH and I went for an hour long walk tonight. It was very nice. I should be sleepy.

katerina11
07-19-2010, 11:02 PM
CJ I'm excited for you!

Hi Nan! Welcome to the thread:D

Susan, I miss wine when I'm in the two week window. I am trying to get preggers and when it's a maybe, I abstain. If my cycle starts, well, no baby, but there is always wine!

Ilene it was raining here for us, too. What are your vacation plans?

tymaboy, I love that you're getting out there and running. I want to do that. Shin splints plagued me, but I hope at a lower weight I can join you and Ilene in your running efforts.

BibBob, hi! So your bad day is walking six miles and eating some bacon? I think I;m doing this all wrong! I eat bacon lots. I don't get headaches from it though. I hear that the nitrites can do it. So it could be either, yeah? There is so little sugar in cured bacon. (and even if it's "nitrite free", it still has nitrites because they use celery powder which converts naturally from nitrates to nitrites).

Bacon :D

Today for me was a big eating day

breakfast - skipped. wasn;t hungry.

snack - 2 slices of cheese and 8 slices bacon (bad bad bad)

late lunch - big hamburger patty with slice of cheese dipped in mustard, most of a dill pickle, stoneyfield yogurt with mango and honey (new flavor and the first time i picked something ahead of time that had some sugar in it. it had 26 grams of carbs in it)

dinner
romaine lettuce with little of shredded carrots and red cabbage, sliced red bell pepper, purple onion, feta cheese, kalamata olives, fresh squeezed lemon juice and EVOO with salt and pepper

after dinner snack
2 handsful of raw cashews
5 prunes

so at least 2300 calories with good percentages. i;m right before my cycle begins and this is the week i eat. i need to keep it under 2000, though.

Kathy give up dairy? lololol!!

srmb60
07-19-2010, 11:10 PM
Sounds delicious Kathy. Did you have any draggy moments? Was your energy good all day?

Ilene
07-19-2010, 11:10 PM
Ilene it was raining here for us, too. What are your vacation plans?No big plans but doing lots of day stuff... Today DD and I went shopping near Montreal... Tomorrow Zip lining... Going to a Yoga camp for 2 days, they eat vegan :rolleyes: with lots and lots of carbs... don't know how I'll do that, anyone have any ideas? I was thinking of just eating vegetables bringing some protein drinks, not the greatest but better than carb overloading... Then we're going away in August with another couple not sure where we're going yet :lol: ... Just stuff like that...

tymaboy
07-19-2010, 11:12 PM
I was feeling better today so DS & I went out for another ran. I am waiting to measure myself till the end of the month. I am so hoping that I see a change.

I have been buying fresh fruit to munch on threw out the day. I found that as long as I have that I I grab a bite here & there during the morning & do not make breakfast. With the daycare it is hard to eat breakfast some mornings. Sometimes I am hungry sometimes not. On the days I'm not I dont worry about eating till lunch or I grab some fruit till it is lunch time. I am assuming that this is ok to do or am I hurting myself by doing this?

katerina11
07-19-2010, 11:49 PM
Sounds delicious Kathy. Did you have any draggy moments? Was your energy good all day?

No draggy moments. I think I just need a bit more carbs to keep me good. 60-120 a day is what I'm shooting for. I'm happy as long as my body is happy. :D

katerina11
07-19-2010, 11:52 PM
No big plans but doing lots of day stuff... Today DD and I went shopping near Montreal... Tomorrow Zip lining... Going to a Yoga camp for 2 days, they eat vegan :rolleyes: with lots and lots of carbs... don't know how I'll do that, anyone have any ideas? I was thinking of just eating vegetables bringing some protein drinks, not the greatest but better than carb overloading... Then we're going away in August with another couple not sure where we're going yet :lol: ... Just stuff like that...

Coconut milk! I would bring that with me, and beef jerky if they don't mind you eating it. Other than the vegan thing, it sounds lie a really cool experience.

My husband went on a ten day intensive meditation retreat and he came back a different person. Better. Happier. And was able to keep up an hour a day for a while.

srmb60
07-20-2010, 05:13 AM
Good morning!

I'm already cooking bacon. I was draggin' yesterday so I'm going to try "front end loading" LOL!

wildviolets
07-20-2010, 06:17 AM
Ilene and Kathy: Oh the yoga and meditation retreats sound very cool!

Tymaboy: I'm so happy about your running....and jealous too (but in a good way). It seems like people lose a lot of weight when they run. I just think it looks so free-ing for some reason. Maybe some day I'll start running again.

Kathy: Last year I gave up coffee, sweetners, caffeine, dairy and some wheat. Now I eat them all except the wheat. I do love my dairy....esp cheese. I probably should cut it out too. It seems everything tastes better with cheese??? ;)

Do you guys have a problem with eating and stress? I'm sure most people do but I seem to always be a little stressed and the only way I feel better is if I eat. Part of the problem is that I am toooo sensitive about things and worry about every little thing. I get on my own nerves. ;)

Oh well it's a new day. Have a good one everyone.

tymaboy
07-20-2010, 09:16 AM
Tymaboy: I'm so happy about your running....and jealous too (but in a good way). It seems like people lose a lot of weight when they run. I just think it looks so free-ing for some reason. Maybe some day I'll start running again.

Do you guys have a problem with eating and stress? I'm sure most people do but I seem to always be a little stressed and the only way I feel better is if I eat. Part of the problem is that I am toooo sensitive about things and worry about every little thing. I get on my own nerves. ;)


I am just new to the running thing so there is a lot I do not understand. From what I gather from DS stretching & good running shoes are the most important things in running. I never understood the groin thing until Sunday, now I understand why men whine so much when they pull it ;) It helps to have someone there with you to push you along but at the same time taking it slow to ease you into what you can handle. I cant go fast DS can walk next to me if he wanted to, he tells me its OK it will come in time. Do you walk? Maybe you could start out walking at a brisk speed. I think I could walk faster then my so called running.

I know I get the major case of the munchies when I am really bored. When I'm stressed it always different sometimes I want to eat but sometimes I dont. There have been different times in my life that I have gained when I was stressing & other times I lost.

BibBob
07-20-2010, 02:59 PM
I'm fortunate to live a mostly stress free life. It is the reason I live down the street from ****. It's 111 degrees at 11pm today. But this is the cheapest cost of living I have enjoyed in 20+ years and that allows me a lot of freedom from stressful things. That said, there are a few things that still seriously stress me, and no doubt, I immediately think of food as a sedative. Food is a sedative after all. I use two tactics to beat back stress without eating. I walk or swim (depending on the weather) -- exercise instead of eat. Or, I drop whatever I am doing and read something difficult on the topic of health and weight loss. Good Calories Bad Calories really pushed my brain. But, while doing so, I found a great love of the material and an escapism that was both educational and stress relieving. I'll read slow and use google to understand the fancy stuff if necessary. I am now exchanging emails with Mark Sisson about breaking news in epigenetics. Go figure. The point is, the reading is reprogramming my genes in the same sense the diet is. Cortisol (stress hormone) used to be hardwired to chocolate; now it craves exercise mental or physical. Instead of a pulp fiction novel that I once read to relax, I am now boning up on how ghrelin signaling can be entrained to reduce appetite. Not only does it reduce stress, it motivates me to continue losing weight. Hugging my daughter helps too.:)

I don't know if writing all this is helpful here, but now you see why I blog. I am launching my diet blog very soon as the authorship of my business blog officially changed hands this weekend. You will be the first to know when it goes online. It will follow the same pattern as my other blogs and serve as a "news source on topic", but just know it's real purpose is to educate my loved ones. They will read what I write on their own time much sooner than they will listen to me on my time. We are a sadly obese family, and I do mean sad. That's an awful thing to realize. I hope and pray they all get with the program. ****, any program that works.

Kathy, as for blowing it with bacon, it was getting my fasted blood sugar over a 110 again that bothered me. I am more concerned with diabetes than primal food. Bacon is awesome. I will just go sugar free with the next batch and enjoy experimenting.

My last fast went 36 hours and was broken with some a small amount of lunch meat and nuts, before a big t-bone 40 hours in. Cheese and salami was my late night snack. Fasting again today.

wildviolets
07-20-2010, 04:26 PM
THank you both for your thoughts on stress. I really need to focus on what I want out of life (to be healthy for my son) so when i get stressed, I can channel that nervous worrying energy in a positive way, ie exercise.

Usually I just want the easy way out which is food and sometimes shopping for me. Something that will make me feel good right now, ya know?

Tymaboy, I think I will start jogging again in the fall. I have to take it slow because i'm so afraid of tearing my calf muscle again. I've never been one for warming up and stretching. I think I'm goign to have to starting doing it the right way from now on.

BibBob, this may sound strange because I don't know you at all, but you seem like such an interesting person. I can't wait to read your diet blog.

Off to cook dinner......

Ilene
07-20-2010, 06:10 PM
Kathy -- Coconut Milk sounds like a great thing to bring, does it have to be refrigerated? I can't remember, we have no fridge in our small bedroom... I just can't get used to Beef Jerky though, I don't like it at all... My SIL is a Yoga instructor now and when she came back from her 6 week course she was changed, in a good way, too... I always feel sooooo relaxed when I come back from there...We do a lot of meditation, hopefully it'll be nice because we do the Yoga classes outside in the mountain air, it's wonderful!

Wildviolet -- :lol3: @ "I get on my own nerves." that comment struck me as so funny... Yoga helps a lot with lowering your stress levels... or plain ole exercise and working out a good sweat is good too...definitely try running/jogging it is a great stress reliever... Do it slowly, running one minute and walking one minute and increasing the run slowly over time...

Bob -- Can't wait to read your blog...

DH DD and I went zip lining today... OMG what fun that was, at first I thought what did I get myself into here, but as time wore on and confidence increased it was a magnificent experience, talk about working your core :faint: .... Here are a couple of pics:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/IRobertson/IMG_0258.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/IRobertson/IMG_0273.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/IRobertson/IMG_0286.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/IRobertson/IMG_0322.jpg

BibBob
07-20-2010, 08:17 PM
I'm a little scared of heights and suspect ziplining would do awful things for my heart rate and cortisol production! Awesome pics Ilene. Looks great fun for someone who doesn't so easily go breathless with heights.

I stopped back by to report maybe the best news in awhile in my little sphere. I meant to share this before writing my long post above. My 5-3 300+ pound sis called me this morning to tell me how good I look with the weight loss and share her efforts. She is trying to exercise the pounds away. What she really wanted was to hear more about why what I am doing is working so apparently easy for me. We talked for about an hour and I think I have a convert. Her whole problem with low carb has been that it makes her weak, dizzy and even sick. I told her about many of the carb flu experiences I've read about and told her about what I went through. I think/pray/hope that she is a convert. No one needs it more than her.

Ilene
07-20-2010, 09:21 PM
Bob, that's great to hear about your sister....I was really surprised that the height didn't bother me, I was so focused on staying up there and safe that the height never even entered my mind...

tymaboy
07-20-2010, 09:38 PM
Bob thats good news about your sister. I hope she finds something that works for her that she can stick with.

Ilene that looks so exciting! I think it would be neat to do but I dont think I could go threw with it. I have a thing with heights.

I forget who had posted the broccoli mix used as a substitute for pasta. I tried that tonite as a side with the pork chops. I dont think I cooked them long enough but I will defiantly try it again. I boxed up the left overs so I can have them at lunch tomorow.

Today was my 3rd day in a row running with DS. I did not do as well today, I had to stop to walk a few times. I tried to power walk it but he did not find that amusing. I might have to take tomorow off unless I get a really good nites sleep tonite.

srmb60
07-21-2010, 05:54 AM
Good morning!

DH woke yesterday thinking he'd been dreaming about bacon. LOL! I left him some today too.

That worked really well yesterday. I did have an HB egg at noon just because I thought I ought to eat something. Grabbed some pork rinds on the way home. Left over crockpot vegetables and sausage for supper. More pork rinds and one of those green tea ginger ales for bedtime snack. Somewhere in there a box of strawberries disappeared too.

If I have to work 12 today (they tell me I might) I think I can buy some fruit in the cafeteria and I always have my HB eggs ;)

Yesterday would be a pretty good day to put into fitday and see what's what. I'm not sure when I'm going to do that ...

CJZee
07-21-2010, 09:57 AM
Ilene - what great photos! I’ve never heard of ziplining, but it looks like so much fun. I too am scared of heights (how did this happen growing up in Iowa?) but I can go up to about 25 feet before the “scared” kicks in. This has always seemed odd to me as you can die just as easily at 25 ft. as 50 ft, but that’s the way she blows.

Hey Bob - are you a writer by trade? Can’t wait to read your blog.

Wildviolets - pretty name. You know, when I am super-stressed I have a relaxation tape that really grounds me, and is a weight loss tape to boot! Also, online there is a very short relaxation tape at http://www.quietmindcafe.com/simple-relaxation.html that I find helps too.

You running ladies are awesome.

Susan - I have never tried pork rinds, are they good?

Kathy - your eating looks fine to me.

Ilene
07-21-2010, 10:35 AM
Kathy -- Running every day is hard on a person... Maybe only running every second day would be best.... I rarely run two days in a row unless I have to...

DH, DD and I are all scared of heights and we discussed this afterwards that once we were up there, the main thing was just to stay focused balancing on the boards so much so that we all forgot our fear of heights...

It feels so good to be off today :D ... Went and got a much needed hair cut, clean house :rolleyes:, running at 2pm...

Yesterday food was NOT primal :( today it will be :D

BibBob
07-21-2010, 02:34 PM
Good afternoon. My daughter saw Paula Dean make breakfast in a 12 ounce glass and insisted I try to make it for her. On the bottom was mashed potatoes covered with a layer of thin sliced steak which was covered with a layer of scrambled eggs that was covered with a layer of melted cheddar cheese. Dig in with a spoon like an ice cream sundae. I made one for me too, easy on the taters,of course.

I broke yesterday's fast at 24 hours not wanting to sleep on an empty stomach again. That's a small pity because I know I wake up lighter when I do that. I didn't eat much yesterday. Mostly fats. Three slices of swiss cheese melted into crackers with a little piece of ham on each cracker. I get 4 crackers per slice, so 12 crackers shared one slice of cut up ham. Then I had a bowl of zucchini that was cooked in pork fat rich tomato sauce and topped with mozzarella. I've been craving zucchini for a few weeks.

CJ -- I can't call myself a professional writer. My formal education is in finance and accounting, my career direction is sales and marketing, most recently helping companies get better online exposure. The tomato/organic farming thing was serious when I had acreage in San Diego, but it's just an experimental hobby these days (desert agriculture is interesting to say the least). I have written a few hundred articles over the years (some for pay most for pleasure) and even a novel no publisher would pick up. I like research, writing and reporting and probably should have made that my career. Who knows maybe all this weight loss will inspire me to pursue that dream too?

Pork rinds are an acquired taste, imo. I'm not a huge fan, but the plain ones are a primal snack that give me something to dip into guacamole. You can smash them up and use them as breading for pork, fish and chicken too.

srmb60
07-22-2010, 05:01 AM
I love pork rinds although they're kinda hard to find around here. They have that certain crunch that is missing from low carb. Too calorific to eat everyday tho'.

I made it through my 12 hour yesterday with HB eggs, pork rinds and 7up :) When I got home DH :love: had grilled steaks :love:
I was in bed by 7:45.:yawn:

wildviolets
07-22-2010, 08:43 AM
I'm afraid to ask....what are pork rinds actually? I saw a low carb cooking show that used them in a meat loaf.

I bought 2 dozen big cookies for a friend who was coming over with her 5 kids. Bad mistake. She never ended up coming and I've been eating them like crazy. Now I have the WORSE headache.

I'm going to try to go all weekend without sugar. It's so hard for me. But I have to. I have so much to do today and I just want to stay in bed. ugh.

CJZee....thanks for the relaxation site....I'll check it out when my head stops hurting.

Ilene..... you are a wild woman! The zip lining looks crazy! But fun.

Ilene
07-22-2010, 09:39 AM
Hello my little Primal friends :wave:

Violet, will we ever learn about sugar's side effects :rolleyes: the other day after ziplining we had a nice lunch at a cafe, I had a spinach salad with smoked salmon :hun: delish!! Beside this restaurant there was a bakery that everyone was going in and out of... So of course we had to go see... Cutest littel bakery ever! So we got 3 of those ginormous cookies, DD had one on the way home, I had TWO bites TWO... It made me pass out the rest of the way home, a 2 hour ride, I could not stay awake, the rest of my day was awash too... Made me so angry that I had given into the sugar :tantrum:

Today I had a wonderful breakfast... cut up peach, half avocado, 1/4c coconut milk, 1/4c full fat yogurt, 12 almonds chopped, 1T flaxseed.... and 2 boiled eggs on the side...

I have to share this YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN2gYHJNT3Y) about boiled eggs, it works too, I tried it this morning...

Ok, gotta bring DD to work... TTFN :wave:

srmb60
07-22-2010, 04:19 PM
Pig skin, lard and salt. Nice and crunchy!

Someone brought us brownies today. I don't even really like brownies. Yeesh!

BibBob
07-22-2010, 05:26 PM
I used to like brownies. If I ate one now, I'm afraid I would twirl in circles for an hour then spend the next 12 with a throbbing headache. Not worth it.

Yesterday I ate leftover grilled t-bone with big pile of very fatty cooked spinach and onions. That was lunch. For dinner I had a big pile of primal. Kale, spinach and collards cooked down in a half cup of coconut oil and the grease of 2 strips of bacon with some latin spices. I poached two eggs on top of the greens with the bacon on top chopped finely. I ate this with fresh tomato, onion, avocado and sour cream. I have no idea what to call it or why I cooked it but I will cook it again. It slid out of the pan in one big round plate covering serving and the egg yolks made a sauce in the greens that worked for me.

I also got in a 12 mile hike yesterday. Ankles were aching for the last mile just like old times. I cooled down in the pool and ended up splashing about in the water for a couple hours after dark. I think I could have slept in the water last night. Being weightless is a great feeling when the bones are aching. I hate this desert most of the time, but the stars here are incredible at night, epecially floating on your back in a pool. It felt primal whatever that means.

Pork rind meat loaf. I like it! Will give it a try soon. No food for me today, I think. Er, I did have a little vodka/coffee drink at lunch. My arm was twisted!

CJZee
07-23-2010, 08:25 AM
I have to share this YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN2gYHJNT3Y) about boiled eggs, it works too, I tried it this morning...

This is too cool for words. Did you put the baking soda in the water? Thanks! CJ

CJZee
07-23-2010, 08:31 AM
So we ate Mexican last night and I had steak/vegetable fajitas with no tortillas. I substituted a side salad for the rice/beans. Instead of the regular dressing, I used the sour cream/guacamole/tomato salsa sides that were supposed to be used in the tortillas and just mixed it into the salad. It was good.

The bad thing was the type of oil the fajitas were cooked in ... the restaurant on the COVER of its menu proudly says it uses canola oil, arghghg. Don't know how to get around this.

Anyway, I wanted to eat the whole thing, but I stopped about halfway through and asked for a to-go box. I think today I will mix all the leftovers into an omelet stuffing. Should be interesting.

spanky
07-23-2010, 04:52 PM
Made it. I'm back. I've been out in the world dealing with one life crisis which spread to several. All is well now but I went all over the map with the eating and am coming down from some carbs today.

The minute I started back eating carbs I felt awful and right now have a banger headache, blazing reflux, and world class joint pain. I could sleep for a month!

So tonight is taco salad minus the corn chips. Lots of fluids. Lots of sleep. No idea what I weigh, will weigh in Monday...

Bob--interested in genetics? I work in a molecular medicine lab, epigenetics is probably my favorite topic in the field...

Back to the fray!
Spanks

BibBob
07-23-2010, 07:01 PM
Hi Spanks,

Glad you're back and getting on track. All the aches and pains others constantly report is enough to keep me from the grains. I've said I would have my pizza on occasion and I probably will, but it will be rarely. Mark Sisson like to remind us primals that the true basis behind Primal Blueprint is epigenetics. I had never heard of it until this past April. It is definitely one of my favorite subjects. I am reading The Genie in Your Genes (http://www.amazon.com/Genie-Your-Genes-Epigenetic-Intention/dp/1600700225) and will probably finish it this weekend. Great stuff. I'm jealous of your work!

tymaboy
07-23-2010, 08:50 PM
Today was a stressful day. But I did good diet wise, not so good yesterday. I broke down & had a blue bunny ice cream cone. It was the only bad thing I had for a few days. Tomorow I am making a pork loin. My neighbors & I go back & forth to inviting each other over for dinner. They called early this morning to invite us over tonite which was funny cuz I was planning on inviting them for tomorow. I asked them what else they would like - ds & them said corn on the cob & either potato salad or rice pudding. Both of which I should stay away from. I'm not sure what else I will make that is good for me.

BibBob
07-23-2010, 09:58 PM
Well, I managed another alternate day fast with no issues. I broke it with one of these giant omelets I keep reading about. I had 6 eggs, with bell pepper and onion cooked in a combo of butter and bacon grease, topped with guacamole and bacon with about a 5 oz. of roast beef on the side. I ate a little beef jerky later in the day around 3pm, but have no interest in dinner now. The breggfast was actually much more than I needed. I can manage this calorie restriction thing better if I stop obsessing about what I am NOT eating. Just a little over a week before I weigh. I am way more curious this month than the past two. I keep getting nice comments and being asked how much I have lost, but I'm not at all satisfied with the way I look. In the mirror without my shirt I look as bad as ever as far as I can tell. Long long way to go yet.

Ilene
07-23-2010, 10:55 PM
This is too cool for words. Did you put the baking soda in the water? Thanks! CJYep, I put the baking soda in the water with the eggs when they were boiling, I put about 2 teaspoons... The egg just seems to slide out of the shell...

Another non-Prima dayl, starts out ok, ends in wine and chips :faint: ... Tomorrow is a new day, again, I'll go for a bike ride I think, if it doesn't rain...

kamesennin
07-24-2010, 01:17 AM
Hi! I finally sat down and calculated my calories and I'm doing something like 50% fat, 25% protein, and 25% carbs. Does that sound about right? What percentages do you all eat?

srmb60
07-24-2010, 07:00 AM
I keep meaning to put a couple days into Fitday but never get around to it. What's happening Kamesennin? Energy? Hunger? Weight loss? Belly size?

Apparently the book Primal Blueprint is very hard to find around here. A coworker (JG) has been waiting for my book for over 2 weeks. Can't find her own in stores. Never shops on the internet.
She and her sister just started cutting carbs by gosh and by golly on Monday. Oh she did read some at MDA.
She was just about begging for the book yesterday so I marched my big burly self down to Becky's office and demanded my book back. I threatened to find her street address and come and get it myself!
Becky will have lost weight yesterday if laughter uses calories. Yup, I'm that threatening :sumo: But she did call her DH to bring the book in. And JG was sooo excited!

I had leftover roast beef in an omelet yesterday too!
Flung some weights around and was on the elliptical for 35 minutes total. That's not that hard. I really should be doing that 3 or 4 times a week.

This morning I'm seeing the consequences of my carbfest on Thursday. A 48 hour delay really brings home to me that there is something else afoot other than calories in and calories out. I think I've always known that the quality of our calories makes a difference. Now I'm absolutely certain that it may be even more intricate and personal than that.

wildviolets
07-24-2010, 09:36 AM
Anybody have suggestions on a multiple vitamin? I don't like to take iron so it's hard to find and then I just don't know which brand to get. Maybe it's not even necessary but i always feel like it fills in the what I'm missing.

I"m not sure if this is primal due to the salami, but I've been eating this for the last 3 days as I still have my headaches and it's comfort food. I saute some salami in a pan, crack an egg and add cheese. Fat, fat, and more fat but oh so tasty!!

tymaboy
07-24-2010, 10:33 AM
I used to take the One A Day for weightloss. The last time I went out the store was sold out so I bought the store brand multi vitiaman. That was a mistake, I felt sick the rest of the day after I took it. I have not mustered up enough to take it again. I have felt good without taking anything but I am sure it would be a good idea to take something as well.

Ilene
07-24-2010, 11:03 AM
I sporatically take a multi, I'm sure everone needs if no matter which food plan you're on....

walking2lose
07-24-2010, 06:57 PM
I just found out that my girl friends chose a Mexican restaurant for our girl night tomorrow --- ugh. I will have to resist both the tantalizing CHIPS and the mouth watering MARGHARITAS!

And, what can I order to eat?? I love Mexican, but it doesn't seem to be a great choice for primal eating. And I know this place doesn't have good salads -- a few slivers of iceberg is the basis for their salads.

Any ideas?

Thanks and hope all are well!

Ilene
07-24-2010, 07:36 PM
I just found out that my girl friends chose a Mexican restaurant for our girl night tomorrow --- ugh. I will have to resist both the tantalizing CHIPS and the mouth watering MARGHARITAS!

And, what can I order to eat?? I love Mexican, but it doesn't seem to be a great choice for primal eating. And I know this place doesn't have good salads -- a few slivers of iceberg is the basis for their salads.

Any ideas?

Thanks and hope all are well! Fahitas are veggies and chicken or beef, it's served with soft tortillas but don't eat them :lol3: easier said than done :lol:

wildviolets
07-25-2010, 03:10 PM
Everything tastes better with an avocado on it! Had canadian bacon with avocados for breakfast. Sometimes I eat turkey slices rolled up with avocado in the middle....yummy!

Walkingtolose: Ilene is right.....fajita's minus the tortillas are fab! Not eating the chips are hard though......

koceank29
07-25-2010, 08:56 PM
I've been catching up on all your posts the past week and half...sounds like everyone is having a great summer and eating good!

I wish I was coming back from vacation lighter...but I used up my 20% plus some these past 10 days, I did eat good in the morning and had lots of fresh seafood(either raw or steamed) but I definitely consumed too much BEER! way too much beer! What is it about vacation and the beach that makes the drinks run freely. I splurged on a funnel cake, a cannoli and a few other sugary treats. My ankles are so swollen from the beer its ridiculous, and the 1x I had fried food on our trip I thought my insides were going to explode. I am so looking forward to my normal routine and eating starting tomorrow. The beach we were at has an almost 5 mile boardwalk when you go to the end and back so I did get plenty of walking in, and I got plenty of vit D(no burn though) and most importantly the kids had a great time in the ocean and on the rides.

I'm looking forward and not stepping on the scale until the end of the month. I know once the extra sodium and water gets flushed I'll feel much better.

tymaboy
07-25-2010, 09:06 PM
koceank29- Sounds like you had a good time. Maybe the scale will be nice since you were constantly on the go.

I have been on an avocado kick lately. I really like it in my eggs. I will saute them up with everything else that I am putting in my omelet. The last avocado I bought was not ripe enough & I found that doing that softened it up enough. I have not been doing the best eating wise this weekend but I was down a lb. This weekends eating will probably catch up to me in another day or two.

Ilene
07-25-2010, 10:03 PM
Kara, sounds like you had a good time...

Tyma, I love avocado too, today I made avocado chocolate pudding :hun: yummy...

Today was a good day, I ran for 45 mins, weight trained for 25, was very Primal except for one glass of wine.... It's all good...

I'm going away for almost 3 days to a Yoga camp so I won't be on line for that time, probably back on-line on Wednesday night...

srmb60
07-26-2010, 05:26 AM
Morning everyone!

Nibble of this, nibble of that ... has added up to too many carbs for me this weekend. My hands and face are puffy. But I did do lots of walking!

Somedays I fully understand why folks eat so much take-out food. I have chicken legs in the crock and my bacon and eggs are cooking ... and it's 5:30 am.

CJZee
07-26-2010, 07:38 AM
Today I'm going to look for a couple of really good "pond" pictures. There is a pond catalog that my fiance would like to submit a few pictures to, I know it would thrill him if one of the pond pictures would make it in the catalog, so I am going to look through my files and see if I can come up with a few that would work.

My sweetie is a crazy gardener and has a small pond he built four or five years ago with a little waterfall. He has planted hundreds of plants around it so it is really lush and natural looking, just beautiful. Over the years, I have taken photos of it, the flowers, the water lilies, the dragonflies, the little birds which wash in the waterfall, the goldfish, the reflections. It changes every day.

wildviolets
07-26-2010, 04:43 PM
CJZee.....that sounds beautiful! You should post your pics here for us to see!

spanky
07-26-2010, 05:16 PM
Hey there!

I forgot to weigh in this morning. But, since yesterday was my birthday, the CAKE probably won't have helped much! We did go out to a steak house where I could get a good London Broil, it was after the CAKE part that I fell off the board.

My hands are puffed up like a catchers mitt--but today is on target so far.

Does anyone here make up their own workouts like you see on MDA? I was watching some videos from the site and found a thread on SimpleFit that had some interesting before and after pics and a really simple workout...so far I've just upped my own weigh workout intensity and stayed with my exercise bike. Anyone see the video with the guy in his garage punching tires? It reminded me of the old Rocky movie!

Bob--the work as it's done in a clinical lab isn't nearly as interesting as my 27 years in a toxicology lab. It's little different from any other specialized lab stuff. But reviewing the epi literature is how I stay interested.

CJZee-we want pics!

Onward to Primal!

Spanx

srmb60
07-26-2010, 06:08 PM
Oh my! I'm cleaning up my fitday account. You should see some of the custom crap I've got in there. Did I really think I was going to get healthy eating that stuff?!?

Spanky? I've dragged the wheelbarrel around the backyard for exercise :)

srmb60
07-27-2010, 05:59 AM
It's hard to count things like nuts, huh?
Here's my best estimate for yesterday.
1929 cals
57% fat
29% protein
13% carb

138 gms of protein ... hmmm ...

CJZee
07-27-2010, 07:04 AM
So ... as requested, a pond picture! My sweetie wants a pix of the whole pond, whereas I like to shoot detail shots. So here is a try with the whole pond.

http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad17/cjzeee/Misc/Pondsmall.jpg

koceank29
07-27-2010, 07:31 AM
So peaceful CJ...That is beautiful!

I had some cake last night for my daughters 1st birthday, of course I paid for it at 1:45 this morning. My body really hates sugar now, I was always sensitive to it, but now my body revolts with it. My dad brought up some fresh picked peaches and some pink grapefruit from florida yesterday, they have a bit too many carbs for me normally but I'm going to enjoy them since they look so good, I could do worse. We are off to the pool today before it storms again, yesterday afternoon was nasty.

Have a great primal day everyone!

CJZee
07-27-2010, 07:52 AM
Oh my! I'm cleaning up my fitday account. You should see some of the custom crap I've got in there. Did I really think I was going to get healthy eating that stuff?!?

Hey Susan - what kinds of stuff were in your fitday account. I'm a food voyeur!

wildviolets
07-27-2010, 08:15 AM
CJZee, the pond is gorgeous! Looks like a perfect place to relax and enjoy nature!

I do not have a green thumb....more like a yellow one that I hope turns green with age! ;)

Have a good day.

tymaboy
07-27-2010, 08:37 AM
The pond looks like a place I could sit & relax for long periods at a time.

I have been so tired latley. I dont know what the deal is. Sunday was the 1st time I ran since Tue of last week. I had trouble running a mile without stopping to walk. Even now I have had to stop to walk. I have a had time sleeping at nite but last nite I pretty much past out & had a hard time getting up this morning. I have a short work week this week so am looking forward to sleeping in on Thur. My luck I will be back to not sleeping well again.

walking2lose
07-27-2010, 11:00 AM
So ... as requested, a pond picture! My sweetie wants a pix of the whole pond, whereas I like to shoot detail shots. So here is a try with the whole pond.

http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad17/cjzeee/Misc/Pondsmall.jpg


Wow! Your pond is beyond gorgeous! Your man is very very talented! Also, where do you live -- everything looks so lush and green. Here in Tidewater Va everything is kind of dead and brown right now.

Would love to see more pics!!!

BibBob
07-27-2010, 11:06 AM
Too far behind to catch up with everything. Just don't sweat the birthday cake. That's the good part of having 20% to play with. Cool pond. I want to sit in it with a net and catch fish for dinner. hehe Nuts are nuts. Finally conquering them seems to have me melting off more pounds. By conquering, I mean a handful every other day seems to be fine now.

Unfortunately my idea of making up workouts lately has been cleaning the pool, digging up irrigation and modifying some landscape features around here preparing for a major veggie grow out next spring. I think I finally got this desert figured out for farming. If not, there's always cactus and agave -- ooh homemade tequila.

I have a ton of thoughts on alternate day fasting after getting into the groove. No doubt ghrelin signaling (the stuff that tells you you're hungry) is totally muted. I am 36 hours into a fast and no hint of hunger pains. Decent energy, not great, but I dug ditches in 100 degree weather and hiked 6 miles late last night. I AM probably catabolizing muscle, but that is okay. I will not need as much to haul around a smaller me. If I burn up 20-30 pounds of muscle to lose 170 pounds of weight, the trade off seems reasonable and healthy as far as I can tell. I can try to rebuild later. Building muscle while burning fat is a complicated balance that seems part of the reason so many people yo yo. Building muscle makes you hungry. It makes weight loss more difficult for me. Lyle McDonald prefers focusing on one at a time (alternate weeks). I think I'll try that in September.

I'm rambling. Excited for the weigh in on the first. Excited to discover how easy alternate day fasting can be. It's tucked away in the weight loss tool shed with juice fasting when time comes for maintenance. I can tell by the roll on my stomach that I am very near my old plateau where I spent years languishing in depression. I'm going to find the cliff at the end of this plateau and dive off. :)

BibBob
07-27-2010, 11:16 AM
Oh yeah. Good morning everyone!

I'm having some negative feelings about MDA, not Primal Blueprint. There is a bit of nonsense coming from the forums that for me is cultic. No dairy, no nightshades, no nuts, no sweet fruit, no alcohol, tons of supplements, only grass fed and organic. If I continue to post regularly there, I will end up getting in lame debates. Wait for doctor Cordain to go after goitrogens in cucurbits or all the toxins in avocados. No more broccoli, kale, spinach, cauliflower and cabbage? When Mark went after eggs and nightshades for lectins, I was really disappointed. There has to be a better balance.

Still rambling... sorry.

spanky
07-27-2010, 12:31 PM
G'day!

I can't see the pond pics!:tantrum: must be the filters here at work...

Yesterday I stayed primal but felt so lousy I didn't do any kind of exercise. Feeling better today and on track so far. I did decide I want to give the SimpleFit.org workout a try. It consists of all of three moves.One of them is a chin up and I'll have to work up to that

I love simple. I find that mostly I fail at eating plans when they get too complex--I just lose it when I start having to concern myself with finding the mango relish for the Arctic-caught wild squid... It seems my life is complex enough in other areas!

So--everybody hang in there!

Spanky

srmb60
07-27-2010, 04:08 PM
Hey Susan - what kinds of stuff were in your fitday account. I'm a food voyeur!

Fat free yogurt, fat free dressing, soy cheese, rice cakes, no fat cheese, artificial chocolate sauce ... ugh! horrible!

I'm with Bob those folks are over the top!

Beautiful pond! I can grow weeds :)

Crappy day at work. My charge nurse told me to go home and have a nice drink. :dizzy: It's merlot and I'm already tired :yawn:

CJZee
07-28-2010, 06:45 AM
Wow! Your pond is beyond gorgeous! Your man is very very talented! Also, where do you live -- everything looks so lush and green. Here in Tidewater Va everything is kind of dead and brown right now.

He lives in NY. And he waters (although they get quite a bit of rain up here).

CJZee
07-28-2010, 12:05 PM
A joke from about Intermittent Fasting especially for BibBob and any other IFers out there (stolen from Conditioning Research blog):

An Irishman was very overweight, and so his doctor put him on a diet.

"I want you to eat regularly for 2 days, then skip a day, and repeat this procedure for 2 weeks. The next time I see you, you should have lost at least 5 pounds.

When the Irishman returned, he shocked the doctor by having lost nearly 60lbs!

"Why, that's amazing!" the doctor said, "Did you follow my instructions?"

The Irishman nodded..."I'll tell you though, by jaesuz, I t'aut I were going to drop dead on dat 3rd day."

"From the hunger, you mean?" asked the doctor.

"No, from all the bloody skippin"

BibBob
07-28-2010, 01:21 PM
Yeah, that made me laugh thanks.

I ate like a pig yesterday. This alternate day idea sort of backfired. :D

Anyway, yesterday was an eating day and I felt an empty sort of hollow feeling in my stomach. Not sick, just something.
I had a four egg omelet with about a half pound of spicy beef and a half cup of guac for breakfast.
I had almost a pound of slow roasted rump roast for lunch.
I had a spicy Italian sausage stew (cabbage, onions, sweet peppers, carrots, garlic, in a fat rich buttery broth) for dinner.
I had another half pound of the spicy beef with sour cream rolled up in romaine as a salad.
I had a banana smashed into coconut cream with cocoa and almonds like a crunchy pudding for dessert.
I had 14 ounces of raw milk with my supplements before bed.

What.

kaplods
07-28-2010, 02:01 PM
I borrowed the Primal Blueprint cookbook from the library. I was pleasantly surprised. Often I find with cookbooks, especially low-carb cookbooks, that most of what looks good, I don't need a recipe for.

The book didn't really get off to a good start in that regard, in that the first recipe was directions to grill a steak, and the second and third were recipes for pot roast (Primal Pot Roast, and Slow Cooker Italian Pot Roast).

The book has a good mix of traditional and unusual recipes, and while some are very simple, others are complex enough to warrant buying the book (for me - if I find more than six recipes I'm interested in, I start considering buying the book).

Usually, even when I'm interested in a cookbook I'll wait a few months after the publication date, because I can usually buy them used for half price or less on amazon. Wait a year, and you can often get them for $1 or less (with $4 shipping).

I was happy enough with this cookbook to put it at the top of my to buy book list (which is about a hundred books long).

walking2lose
07-28-2010, 04:25 PM
I borrowed the Primal Blueprint cookbook from the library. I was pleasantly surprised. Often I find with cookbooks, especially low-carb cookbooks, that most of what looks good, I don't need a recipe for.

The book didn't really get off to a good start in that regard, in that the first recipe was directions to grill a steak, and the second and third were recipes for pot roast (Primal Pot Roast, and Slow Cooker Italian Pot Roast).

The book has a good mix of traditional and unusual recipes, and while some are very simple, others are complex enough to warrant buying the book (for me - if I find more than six recipes I'm interested in, I start considering buying the book).

Usually, even when I'm interested in a cookbook I'll wait a few months after the publication date, because I can usually buy them used for half price or less on amazon. Wait a year, and you can often get them for $1 or less (with $4 shipping).

I was happy enough with this cookbook to put it at the top of my to buy book list (which is about a hundred books long).

So far I"ve tried the coconut pancakes (LOVE -- I've made them a few times and add blueberries), the peach clafouti (good but I need to play with measurements), blackberry marinade (used on pork loin - delicious!), and can't remember what else. Good stuff!