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Old 02-14-2006, 03:57 PM   #616  
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Hmm, I thought I had caught up with all the posts yesterday. Then I log on today and see I missed a ton of discussion! I must have just thought about logging on yesterday and then got distracted
At any rate - day one is finally done (just in time for Red to start a new thread ). Yesterday I had 1542 calories and did 30 minutes of yoga.

Congratulations on finishing your challenges, Red! Our fearless leader is once again showing us the way

CBETA - how is your knee doing? I understand not wanting to give up your exercise challenge, and I am sure you will be able to finish it safely, but PLEASE be careful! You are young, and you don't need to mess up your knee for life.

Chaigirl - you met your v-day goal! FANTASTIC

As for the food porn issue - I agree with Carla and Jolly. Save the food lists/diaries for fitday, but don't ban passing mentions of food. As Carla noted, practically any food can be porn for someone (friday morning mimosas, anyone? ) but I can't see never being allowed to mention any sort of food on this thread again.

Curly - how much snow did you get? (You are in Southern Maryland, right?) I'm in Montgomery County and we got about 12 inches on our deck! The dogs were going crazy, but they were really confused about where to go poddy when I let them out first thing Sunday morning!

Happy Valentine's Day to everyone!!! I am back in NYC and DH is home, so I am a little sniffly and sad for myself. He called me last night to tell me that he has a card for me that he meant to put in my luggage to surprise me, but is actually downstairs on his desk. Surprise!!

I have really been slacking about keeping up with everyone. I am going to try to make it a personal challenge (while not an "official" challenge) to be more involved. I feel a little guitly about expecting support from y'all and not really giving it in return.
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Fish Woman: I am in St. Mary's, we had @ 5 inches, it was chai's (my dog) first time out in the snow.. he is a chow/german spitz mix he loved it!
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Old 02-14-2006, 04:31 PM   #618  
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Well, trying to get a quick post in here. It's early and I MUST get out soon. I hope the whole food porn issue is laid to rest. I will be posting the rules clearly in the new thread, taking into consideration all you have said. Then again, I think there is no room for touchiness here, defensiveness and going on about what is good for you and works for you must be good for the others or they are weak or "have a long way to go." And this goes for anyone! Consideration for our members who need the most help right now, not down the road, not when they are "stronger" is what I am concerned about. And often, usually actually most often, we don't know who that is at the moment. RESTRAINT is the word here and this does not only apply ONLY to eating.

I know what it's like to be "weak" (as if that is really what it is about). I know what it's like to have people telling me all I need is more willpower, more awareness, more whatever...yeah, like I didn't know that, like any of us don't know that, and yeah, like hearing that is going to help.

Get the focus back on weight loss, challenge achievement, NOT food.

Elaine, yorkie -- I'll try to get back to you more later. Just jump in. You don't have to wait for the new thread. You can start a challenge anytime. Everything just carries over. The rules are in the first post of the thread. Those are the important ones. Other things are just causing a bit of hot air right now. You can ignore it for now. Until the new thread starts up, anything goes!

zen -- There is no reason for you to leave and, for the record, your little food list wasn't the problem. It just touched off a discussion, that's all.

chai, jolly, curly, Fish, no time now, just want to say hi and thanks for the kind words. Chai, I have never found your posts to be selfish. We all have busy times. I haven't been in here much to talk personally with people these past few days but I'm sure everyone understands. It's the long haul that counts. With everything! jolly, I know how things were for your before and I am really happy to hear you sounding better these days. You are making those steps you speak off and I don't want you to forget that!

Gotta run! Others, hope to see you soon. tia, apple, CB, sushi, JCT, Tay, freaky,

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Old 02-14-2006, 04:35 PM   #619  
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What a kerfuffle! Enough to drive one to , washed down by a gallon of . I don't have much more to add to the food porn debate. I tend to agree with Jolly and Fish. So I'll wait for Red's executive decision in the new rules, and will abide by her guidelines. (Although I may transgress from time to time - always get a thrill from the public spankings that ensue... )

Red, don't ever think your efforts aren't appreciated! Why, just two or three days of shorter posts from you while you try to make a living, and the rest of us turn into a herd of squabbling harpies! (Okay, slight exaggeration. Maybe I need a spanking. Hee-hee.) Anyway, as I was saying, composing thoughtful responses to every post is an enormous task, one you execute with skill and consideration. I know I just can't find the mental energy to respond to everyone, and have chosen to only comment when a post strikes a chord with me or when someone finishes a challenge. Not good enough, I know, but it's what I can manage. Besides, if EVERYONE commented on EVERY post, this thread would take so long to read we'd all have to quit our jobs just to do our share. Please don't ever doubt how much your effort is appreciated.

Chai, (and Red too!) I'm not sure all that talk about waffling and being a waffler isn't food porn in disguise. (Just joking. I know. As my Dad used to say, everybody loves a lover, but nobody loves a smarta**. Which explains the absence of roses and arriving on Carla's doorstep today...)

Elaine, those sound like pretty good challenges to me. to our quarrelsome little crew!

Girlie, you don't have to wait for the new thread if you want to start right now. Or maybe you want to wait until the dust settles on the great debate.

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Old 02-14-2006, 05:33 PM   #620  
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I'm going to stick my pennyworth in as well even tho' I am not challenging at this moment. That doesn't mean I won't in the future.

As one of the instigators of the whole 'food porn' bit, I think it was meant to be in fun at the beginning although it did have overtones of seriousness in it. If one is thinking about losing weight and challenging oneself and others on a weight loss site then there are things that definitely qualify as porn. However if someone has gone to the trouble to create a food and exercise program that they wish to be accountable for, I have no objections to them posting that food and exercise log. The majority of the time any food specifically mentioned will be in the diet safe/ healthy category. I don't think that should worry anyone.

When we go off on a binge, and believe me I have been on a few myself, I find it amazing that people actually want to come here and describe what they have done to themselves. My method of dealing with it would be to say I had fallen heavily and leave the gruesome details alone - they are my shame to live with.

Red Balloon puts a huge amount of effort into this thread. It costs her (maybe not so much financially, but mentally and emotionally) to be here, think up the rules, add new ones, try to encourage, support, pick up pieces and generally act like an all round nice person (which she is) and look for support for herself.

By all means the and are fine. I don't need to know what you did to yourself foodwise and healthwise. I don't actually care too much if you smoke, drink, gamble, eat meat or crocodile and/ or are nice to old ladies, rabbits and children. I am far more interested in how you go on your challenge and whether you can summon up the immense strength needed to break old habits and make newer better ones. That is what we are here for, to give and receive that strength that comes from caring individuals who together can make a formidable difference.

For what it is worth, my opinion is that food program logs are okay. Details of binges are not.
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Old 02-14-2006, 06:03 PM   #621  
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Not much time on my hands again, so just quickly - day 14 done with running, 17 minutes but I struggled struggled struggled from the very start and in the end I wasn't really running, just sort of trying to bounce ahead.... No idea why it was so tough or why it's getting tougher and tougher...

Re the food porn issue, I hope noone will be upset with me for starting the discussion, and I am happy that I started it and to see that many 21-day challengers shared their views. I think things went too far when a mention of a food item ends up being described as food porn by someone else. Re the whole food issue, my stance is similar to that of Zen's, only softer - I'm trying to be sensitive to and considerate of the work many here still need to do. For some, food might always stay an issue, but as long as we work on things like that, we'll make progress.
I'm sure we can come up with a good solution for this, and I know we will with Red's help.
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Old 02-14-2006, 06:16 PM   #622  
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One more bit...
Red, just noticed your ticker, and I love the idea - it's frustrating how it won't accept decimals. I think I'll change mine to be like yours too
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Old 02-14-2006, 07:14 PM   #623  
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Evening all. First, while Challenge 1 (no soda) is fine and on day 11, I have to take a pause day on Challenge 2 (follow menu). I must have gotten in a kerfuffle (sorry Carla, but I just loved that ), but I succumbed to

The good thing is that I literally felt ill afterwards. I have been doing well, so my body didn't know what to do with all that. No lingering urges. So that is a bonus.

I really just hope we can get back to supporting each other's struggles. To plaguerize the poor old Bard - "to list food or not to list food? That should not be the question."

Red - We love ya! Everyone else, jsut a quick shout out. I am getting ready to watch night two of Westminster. That is the only holiday I celebrate today. Keep up the challenges!
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Old 02-14-2006, 07:23 PM   #624  
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sigh ! $%%^^^$##@ i must be kerfuffled!

back to day one ,,, calories were on target carbs went over the limit!!



yeah what carla said>>>>>Red, don't ever think your efforts aren't appreciated!
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Old 02-14-2006, 07:41 PM   #625  
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I am struggling too, desiring something, but not allowing myself to get up and walk to the room with a fridge. Actually I did get some green there, and brough a dollar, but kept it in my pocket, thinking that with me liping I cannot hold my tea, and else, plus open doors and walk at the same time w/o spilling the tea. So I left w/o anything. Eve will be a struggle, as I desperatelly want my ex to take me out...but it seems that he might not be available, he is still confirming. Instead I am planning to head to the gym soon and workout, rest will play itself out once I am done at the gym, but I do feel the cravings, yet I don't know what I want specifically so I lie to myself - "I crave herb tea", or "I crave a nice cold bottle of water" such a lier I am....
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At work now. I was able, despite getting out late because of posting this morning, to get to the gym and to in 4K and did the crunches although these aren't on my challenge now. Just the journaling through Friday.

Thanks carla, curl, jolly, sushi, shad, for your kind words. I need them in regular doses.

I would like to think the food porn hubbub is put to bed and I will make things clear on that area with the new thread....that said....I don't think there ever was a problem really. I think a lot of what was meant humorously was misunderstood and the misunderstandings and what were said sparked in turn too much seriousness. I want everyone to lighten up despite the underlying seriousness of the situation for many of our members. As I may have said before, this may be fun and games for some, a kind of yeah, well, I'd like to when I'm feeling up to it kind of thing, but it is truly a matter of life and death, or serious ill health and disease which could lead to an untimely end, for some. And this means, showing consideration, restraint, choosing our words with that in mind and in general just being a bit more supportive, even though that may not mean you specifically mention someone else.

Will talk later...I'm at work and can't do my normal review of the posts too well.

CB, I think you are struggling with your issues a lot these days. You seem to be getting a bit too "micro" on things. Come up for air, look around at the rest of our members a bit and maybe that'll help you get some better perspective. Remember what tia says, baby steps. You are doing so many things right, just don't get impatient, don't get "desperate." These are the things that can bring on a crash and burn scenario. Deep breaths, slow down....calm and centered. These are things I must concentrate on in my riding and they are words to live by, always. Oh, jolly, by the way, here's something I thought you'd like....Horse sense = Stable mind....
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Old 02-15-2006, 03:03 AM   #627  
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I'm here... trully... honestly... I am. I want you all to know I read everyday, I might not post... but I do read and think about posting serveral times... addicted much??:P HOLY COW.... so many people are joining and completeing challenges... HOOO WAHHH ya'll!!!!!

ANYWAY... I have to say... Red... I've told you before... i think you rock. And even though I don't say it... I am super glad I found this board... I think the kick in the pants I get from you all (mostly in my own head) is really keeping me on track... or at least mega-guilty when I don't stay on track!

CB- are ya feeling better? I hate knee pain... it never seems to heal properly in a decent amount of time... or perhaps i am jsut not the person to slow down enough and give it enough time??? I am not a patient person. hmph. I was totally amazed at you and how you continue to work out when you aren't feeling well... I am such a whiner. Keep off that knee as much as you can and get better soon sweety!

Jolly- Dang girl! Remind me what your menu challenge is... I mean do you post you menu somewhere? is it low-cal, low-carb, or jsut generally healthy eats? Speaking of :censor: my daughter wants to be a and well... she watches the FoodNetwork when ever I tell her I can't handle cartoons! So yeah.. i get mega doses of it almost daily. Who did you want for the Westminster? I only watched the Toy competition... I think I like that little minature afghan and the long hair chiuaua(sp?) I would love another dog... but I want a dauchshund. Who won best in show???

Carla- lovin the kerfuffled... it goes well with discombobulated... and pissant. No worries... i didn't get any :censor: either... I did however get a nice goose down pillow from my mother! LOL I spent the afternoon watching Team USA Women's Hockey.... hooowahhhh ladies!!!!!!

Shad- you crack me up!!!!!
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I don't actually care too much if you smoke, drink, gamble, eat meat or crocodile and/ or are nice to old ladies, rabbits and children. I am far more interested in how you go on your challenge and whether you can summon up the immense strength needed to break old habits and make newer better ones.
I am not nice to old ladies or rabbits... just thought i'd tell ya :P heh heh I fully agree though... I never meant to offend... I was trully just teasing.

Ok. So now... on to posting... heh. I still haven't started my exercise challenge again... um... I'm sorta waiting for Red's new thread.... new beginnings and all. But I am however on day... 17 of my h2o challenge and have successfully completed my study challenge! Sooo... 4 more days and i'll be ready for that exercise one... honest!!!!!

Good luck to you all!!!!
btw... next Team USA women's hockey game is Friday at 8am (pst)

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I think you couldn't have said it better, jolly....thank you!!! I'll GET IT IN WRITING at the start of the new thread, which I'll have started in the next day or two. And this is taking into account all that has been said, but most of all it takes into account the kind of thread I, me, moi envision. I am the one who has to stick it out even when I'm not getting support, even when there are no posters, even when I don't feel like posting, welcoming people who never appear again, looking for people who haven't posted in a long time, going back and reading all posts and THINKING about what the people are doing in order to make a somewhat relevant and personalized AND encouraging comment if I can, not wanting to comment on someone who shows no support for others but doing so nonetheless...and all that kind of stuff.

I hope we can get the focus back on important things on this thread, back on what I thought was a pretty supportive place. Structure and rules are necessary to keep a big thread going. It's fine for those who come and go and pop in when they feel like and waffle on about what they're doing without much care about the long list of others, but I'm not supposed to go off except when I am very busy and that's where people who know the rules have always helped out. And I don't like neglecting people who need support. That is what this place is for. But, I don't have unlimited time. This doesn't bring me any money.

I sincerely hope those of you who don't like the rules here will just move to a more suitable thread for you, one where you feel more comfortable. There is a great choice of them. Absolutely anyone can start a new thread. Please do so if you like, a new challenge, a new support group, whatever.

The whole food porn discussion depresses me no end. Although there have been some excellent comments and I am taking them ALL into consideration with the new "THREAD GUIDELINES" aka RULES!!!, all I really want to say is get the focus back on the challenge and, excuse my Japanese, but please, let's cut the crap...I mean cake....I mean...I mean...I am going to bed!! Good night.

Cut up, Sarge!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Good morning all. Quick post before working out and working. Cbeta - I know, I have tried the whole - pretend you really want healthy stuff thing. Until you do (like finally the water for me now) it is bull. So, what you really crave is a healthier body. Though, I will ask, are there still issues for you with the ex? It sounds (and this is just me reading here) like TIME with the ex is what you want, not eating out in general? Just a thought.

Red, maybe that is my problem right now. With work, I haven't had time to spend with pony - I know you can relate. Next week I am off, and I am all about the horse.

Jessica, the menu challenge is just baby step #1 in me eating healthy. I make menus every two weeks so I know what to shop for. I don't always follow it, which usually leads to buying more food or eating out. So, step 1 is to follow the menu. And while I don't have every single snack planned on the menu, I do have a list of healthy snacks that are ok, and know how many are ok (so Idon't binge on healthy stuff). Then, will work on improving food choices, counting calories, or whatever. Baby steps so I can make permanent changes. I would have rooted for the Springer, but I don't like the handler or dog that won breed, so I was rooting for the Rottweiler - it was a nice dog that won Workiing Group. The Bull Terrier won.

Tia - good to see you. Was wondering where you were. How have you been?

Today is going to be a rough day. PHysically, as I stayed up late to watch Westminster, then stayed up even later to read for awhile. Plus, I am a bit sore from the jogging on the treadmill, so I am going to have to slow that one down a bit. Emotionally it will be tough, as my mom called during Westminster, (DURING WESTMINSTER?!?!), and got miffed and hung up when I said I couldn't watch and talk as I had friends over. She can hold on to things when she wants to, so making up will be tough. Lastly, due to those things, it will be harder to remember yesterday was a chosen PAUSE, not a backslide, and today I am not chosing to take a pause. It will be a good day.

Have a super day all.
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i thought the golden was just gorgeous!!
chai prefers the german spitz.. & the chows but then he is biased... (i have always had labs.. this has been a real adventure having a spitz/chow... can u say protective and agressive oh and dont forget BULL headed!)

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