Kelli I went on there and they sure have a lot of diets with God on there. What are you going to call yours, you can PM if it is not allowed on here and tell me, so I can be on the look out for it and not get on the wrong one. Bootsie

I'm still trying to figure it all out but I think it's called flowersoverthewall

I have posted some of the lesson's but I'm still not exactly sure what happens once I do that. :o

Yay! :carrot: you can still fit in your dress. I already have a website with a printable version of the website. I'm not sure how long I have to be posting here before they let me add links to websites, and hopefully I'm not crossing any lines here, :^: but I think you can get to the site if you just type (or copy and paste) flowersoverthewall.com in the address bar???

Love, Kelli

I've been on a few Yahoo groups before but not recently. I've kind of limited myself to this one as it takes so much time to post in different ones. The intuitive eating Yahoo group was created by a Christian but she later gave it to someone else and the new people didn't want a lot of talk about God so I resigned. I tried to find the creator to tell her about it but never could. She probably knew. Kelli, your Bible lesson sounds a lot like Gwen Shamblin's book The Weigh Down Diet. Ever read that?

I told two of my friends about your website Kelli, one lives across the river from me and another one way off and both love it!

Girls for supper tonight I had a piece of coconut pie and fat free milk for supper and no guilt.

carolr

The Weigh Down Diet was the "Religious" diet, I was talking about here. The flowers diet is based on some of the same principles, but I researched to make sure they were not her original ideas. They are facts. For example: The flowers diet portion is very similar, but that's where the similarities stop. Flowers is based on Grace... :)

I am so glad you asked me that, because it is based on the same principles I was afraid folks would think it was Weigh Down or any other diet out there that's based on the same principles (moderation), and there are quite a few The Moderation Diet, intuitive eating...etc.

Anyway, I would appreciate any feed back you might have with it being too similar, I tried to make it my own by researching the facts and principles, I did start out writing it just for Mylissa and I, and at first I did copy the diet exactly...hummm... I haven't read Weigh Down in a long time. I should check it from the library, and make sure the diet portion isn't too much the same. Really you could use any diet as long as you didn't have to focus too much on the food.

Thank you!

Love, Kelli

Gwen's original book was very good with very little reference to her own religious beliefs.....IE the trinity, etc. She even had a testimony of a diabetic who said that we could never earn our salvation. But future books were not as good and I could see something was wrong. Then it came out that she didn't believe in the trinity and works was a very big part of her belief system.

Hello everyone! :wave:

Welcome Kelli. :)

Hope everyone is doing well.

Haven't had much to say lately as I've been busy with other areas of my life. Not only that but I've been "busy" IEing ... that is, I've been listening, responding and watching what's been going on with my IE. I'm glad to report that I think something finally clicked for me after reading that article I posted on here a little while back. I haven't had to stress or de-stress about my lack of whatever to make IE work for me because it's been working ever since then. I feel kinda silly calling IE an "it" as if it is a diet or special method or anything special at all, when in truth, "it" is nothing at all. LOL!

I have been doing everything IE talks about naturally ... eating whatever I want, stopping when I've had enough (sometimes that is when I'm full and other times it may be before I'm full), if I don't love it, I don't eat it, and all the rest of the things that IE teaches us to do. I can't say for sure what exactly clicked, but something did and I don't feel the urge to eat just because. A beautiful example of that happened this weekend at a picnic. There was a ton of food spread out and I took my time making my decision of what to eat ... grabbed two pieces of fried chicken, some cucumber slices, a little stuffing, some strawberries and some kind of potato casserole. Gobbled down the chicken (I love me some fried chicken) and ate the casserole, tasted the stuffing, didn't like it, left it and gobbled up the strawberries. Still felt like I wanted to eat more after that and went back to see what would catch my eye ... strawberries, lots of em! So I got some strawberries with an outstanding cream cheese dip and enjoyed that until I was satisfied. Hadn't even made it to the dessert table and I was completely satisfied with my meal, didn't want dessert. (Did go back for dessert much later on tho!) :p

Anyhow, that's about how IE has been going for me this past week or so. I don't know what the scale says today, but Friday morning it was down to 192 without any effort. (That's down from my high weight (204) when I gained all that weight when first starting IE.) Hopefully whatever it is that clicked for me will not unclick! But I will keep in mind the graph in the IE book of what one's weight-loss might look like, with ups and downs, but the overall trend being down.

Oh, let me tell you about this ... that diner I told you all about that I love to go to. Well, we went. I still couldn't get past the dinner menu, so I ordered a panini and ate as much of that as I could (almost all of it) and a cup of soup. But I ordered a piece of carrot cake to go. I wasn't getting out of that place without dessert this time! LOL! Later that evening when my stomach was growling I decided to eat the cake. It was a big piece and it was excellent, so I ate the whole thing. Not too long afterwards I started to feel sick to my stomach. Ugh! I knew immediately it was way too much sugar at one sitting. The frosting was super sweet as was the cake. But I was enjoying every bite, so I ate every bite. Well, needless to say, I think I am cured of the "dessert on a pedestal" syndrome! LOL! I don't have the desire to just go and indulge on dessert there anymore! Hahaha!

Seriously, tho, I think because I've been treating all food as equal that so much has lost it's appeal! And because I've really been listening to what my body wants, I'm getting a good variety of foods, just like the strawberries at the picnic. I don't usually just sit and eat strawberries, but they were tasting soooo good at the time. There was plenty of other foods there that I could have filled up on and in the past would have gravitated towards ... like the pasta salads. But I ate what "spoke" to me and felt totally satisfied with it.

So, that's how my past week has been going. Today I grabbed a moon pie to try and discovered I don't like them. Three-quarters of that is in the trash. But I did enjoy a large Greek salad. Yum! I'm thinkin' about chicken and rice for dinner. Yeah, that sounds good.

Well, y'all have a great IE day! :sunny:

Hi Everybody,:wave:

Blue So glad IE is working for you. I loved your experience at the "special" restaurant and the picnic. A lot of people do not like buffets like Ryans and Golden Corral, but I love them. When I dieted, I would always go in and get a big salad and work my way to the dessert section. Now that I do IE, I don't eat the salad because I eat a lot of salads at home. I love salad and find they don't always have what I like in one. Now I eat whatever looks good to me and I always finish with a piece of carrot cake or a slice of pecan pie depending on what they have and which one jumps out at me. I heard some one say once that after the first 2 or 3 bites the food doesn't taste as good. I've learned that to be true especially when it comes to dessert.

Carolr & Kellie I didn't know that about the Weigh Down program. However, I've only read the first book. Don't have it any more. Kellie, I think she taught people to eat more of the carby foods and work toward protein if I remember it right. I think that is much different from the way you said. I personally like your suggestion of eating my favorite food first and work from there. However, since doing IE, I have gotten to where I only eat my favorite foods.

Bootsie and all other Intuitive Eaters:wave:

Have a great day!

Thanks Blue for the Welcome! :wave:

Trish! I am so excited, that was actually the part of flowers I felt resembled Weigh Down too much, but only eating the foods you love makes total sense! And since I haven't read IE, It can't be copying, just using the same principles. woo-hoo, you have solved a big problem for me! THANK YOU JESUS!

God really led me here to you ladies, you are all helping me so much!

Love, Kelli

The latest from Maggie Miller.

About a month and a half ago I traded in gelato for apricots on a warm summer evening, when all I wanted was a delicious frozen dessert. “How is that intuitive,” you ask? Read on.

Jeremy and I had just finished one of the most delicious Thai dinners we’d had all year, and though it was satisfying, we wanted to cap it off with an equally tasty dessert. We saved room for it, and eagerly made our way to our neighborhood’s newest dessert shop, which I’ll leave nameless just in case they are having early opening product snafus. (I don’t want to give them a bad name if their product improves)

When we walked into said nameless dessert shop on Ventura Boulevard, we strolled through the entire store just admiring the design, décor and concept. It was part old-fashioned ice-cream parlor and part candy store. I was in heaven – already picturing many evening trips to this place, hubby on one arm, Baby Miller on the other. The store serves gelato (one of my personal favorites), frozen yogurt, candy and an assortment of baked goods – cookies, cakes, cupcakes, you name it.

Wonderful idea. Bad execution.

Jeremy ordered a frozen yogurt, which he got to serve to himself (part of the fun), and I ordered gelato. We sat at a table outside to enjoy our desserts and one of our quickly evaporating nights out as a couple before our little Emily arrived. But then we tasted our treats. After about three or four bites, I put my spoon down and gave it to Jeremy.

“Does this taste funny to you?” I asked, wondering if it was my highly sensitive pregnancy taste buds playing a trick on me or if the gelato was simply not good.

“Yeah, it’s gross,” he said after taking a cautious bite. “And my yogurt is disgusting, too.” We each took a few more small bites, in the hopes of our desserts magically improving, but they didn’t. Being extremely pregnant, and having my heart set on a frozen dessert, I suggested we bail on the $8 worth of bad gelato/yogurt currently melting on the table between us, and go to Baskin Robbins.

Because you can’t turn down a pregnant woman’s request for ice cream, my hubby started driving us to our local shop. Just as we were about to pass the turnoff for home, I said, “You know what? I don’t think I want it anymore. That gelato kind of ruined my craving for ice cream.”

He felt the same way, so we headed home, where I found, to my delight, two delicious looking (and tasting) apricots sitting in our fruit bowl. Needless to say, that was my dessert and it was more satisfying than ice cream ever could have been at that moment, post gross-gelato.

Intuitive Eating Takeaways:

- Eat when you’re hungry, stop when you’re full, and certainly stop when something doesn’t taste good. It’s all too easy to eat an entire meal (often past fullness) in the hopes that the next bite will be satisfying, when in actuality, it’s not.

- Give yourself permission to eat your favorite foods. Unconditionally. Because I knew I could go to Baskin Robbins anytime I desired, I was able to listen to my body and change course, trading in a chocolate-peanut butter cone for two apricots. (When my taste for ice cream returned a few days later, we did make our way to Baskin Robbins, and I ordered my cone)

Kelli, You might want to check out Gwen's first book from the library and skim through it. She does talk about eating your favorite foods first. I know a lady who wrote about her experience with Weigh Down in her book. Jan Christiansen was her name. It was a good book but she put a disclaimer in the front I think because the Weigh Down organization said to. It was a good book, kind of like a daily devotional but she must not have told them about it before she published it. She was a very nice lady, too.

Do you mean Jan Christiansen wrote a daily devotional book, and she wrote of her experiences with the Weigh Down diet, and Weigh Down made her put a disclaimer???

I goggled Jan Christiansen, and couldn't find anything she had written, maybe I'm not understanding what you mean...:dizzy:

Love, Kelli

You can get her book on Amazon. I actually emailed her a few times and she wouldn't say much but they gave her a hard time about her book. The book is called More of Him, Less of Me. After a long time I just found her again on the net. She makes and sells sock dolls in AZ. She writes children's books, too, I think. Her book was published in 1999.

Thanks for the article, Carol. That's how I felt about that moon pie I attempted to eat. *insert gross-face smiley here*

Hmm. I must have been low on dairy nutrients. Lunch was interesting today ... I started with a small serving of butter pecan ice cream. Next was a crumb donut followed by none other than a glass of milk topped off with a couple chunks of cheddar cheese. I think I'm all filled up on dairy now. lol I love listening to my cravings!

Edit to add ... dieters would think I'm crazy!

It occurred to me that I have been talking a lot about other diets and this is the intuitive eating thread, whoops sorry :o This intuitive eating sounds like it's right up my alley. Blue I love that you ate ice cream for lunch. Our company caters lunch for us about once a month, and we always have ice cream for dessert. They all laugh at me because I eat my ice cream right along with my meal. My freind who is on weight watchers really thinks I'm crazy, because I eat anything I want as long as I'm hungry, and she has to save her points for dinner, and she is gaining, not losing, and she is trying so hard. :( I feel bad for her, but I don't want to seem like a know it all, and tell her how to eat. When I do try to tell her how I'm losing it seems to irritate her.

I think I will try to talk her into coming to my home group I plan on having... Will you pray for her.

Do you guys have a problem with friends being mad at you because you are losing weight??? I know I have been mad at people before because I was trying to lose weight and they were losing. I tried not to show it, but I probably treated them different subconsciously...

Well anyway, you ladies have a nice day, and from now on I am only going to talk about how fun it is not to diet!

Love Kelli

Kelli, are you at what you consider your goal weight? I'm so much happier with my weight but I could still stand to lose more.

Hi Kelli, it's ok to talk about diets in this thread, it's just that we don't do diets anymore. I think it's diets that led us all here anyways, so the topic does come up. Most recently I thought I could add carb control to my IE lifestyle, but quickly learned that even that was still a diet. And that caused the diet mentality to kick in and diet backlash to follow. Like many here, I've been a "professional" dieter most of my life and have tried a lot of them. In theory, they all sound good, but none of them have been the golden ticket to weight loss (for me). Instead I blame the diets for the scale creeping up and up over the years. Each failed attempt at losing weight adding a few more pounds when the backlash of unrestrained eating would kick in. That said, most of our "diet" conversation in here tends to revolve around how diets have failed us, so it is unlikely that you'll find anyone in this thread recommend a diet-based program. But please do feel free to share whatever you want in this thread. There's really no rules here. :hug:

Anyhow, to answer your question about people getting mad at me for losing weight ... I haven't lost any great amount yet to be noticeable, so, no. But on the other hand, I can't help but wish it were me losing weight like others around me following diets ... only natural to be a little jealous, eh? But that's ok, I'm working on learning how to eat for a lifetime the IE way. I think I'll be better off in the long run. (Not to mention, those same people who are losing weight via the diet route, have all lost the weight in the past only to gain it back again. But, like you, I'm not going to tell them how to eat - unless they ask - we each have to figure that out on our own.)

Blue so good to see you back! Missed you! Kelli I have friends especially one when I lost weight 90 pounds did not want anything to do with me, because she hated skinny people. That hurt. I did not have anything against her because she was well built, so why should she throw our friendship away because I was thinner? This happened before too ladies did not want to be around me because I was young and thin at the time but when I gained weight they all liked me. What is up with this? Anyone got the answer?

Just checking in to say HI:wave: I'm on Week 2 Day 1 "Establish Being Occupied With Food and Your Weight Is Idolatry". I copied week 2 from the website. I noticed they numbered differently than on 3fc. I've chosen to do one a day instead of 5 a week. I am going to be going BSF this year starting in September. They are studying the book of John and have daily study and and we have Sunday night Bible Study to prepare for. So it is easier for me to just add it to what I'm doing.

These first few lessons have really left me feeling "quiet". I don't know how else to describe it. I am at just the right place for these lessons spiritually and mentally.

I shared with Kellie a PM that 11 months ago our Pastor left our church and started a new church. Tony and I went with him since we had joined the previous church for one reason. We had heard him on tv and were drawn to him because he taught only what the Word of God said. He had told the church one Sunday morning that he had prayed on January 1, 2008 that God would teach him God's Way of doing things. This spoke to me because my favorite scripture which I had told him when we met him before joining the church that my favorite translation of Matthew 6:33 was from the Amplified translation which say and I paraphrase, "Seek first the kingdom of God and His Righteousness (His Way of doing and being right)."

Eight months later when the church didn't see his vision to reach the people who wouldn't normally go to church, he left and started a new church. We went to the first service and became charter members. It never was a question as to whether we would go with him because we knew God was leading us to be with this man and pray for him. Tony and I knew from his teaching that God was doing something "special" in this young man and we felt that we should pray for God to give him wisdom because we knew that people would either go with him or God would lead him somewhere else. We wee just thankful that he stayed in our town and that God has allowed us to be a part of what God is doing here through this man's ministry.

I said all that to say that the amazing thing is that the lessons I'm studying through Kellie's website goes right along with what our Pastor is teaching us on Sunday morning. What an Awesome God we have. I absolutely love how God puts our lives together with others who walking the same walk as us. Of course, I believe that if we are following God's leading that this is God' way of showing us that we are right where He wants us to be physically and spiritually.

Any way, I'll be here at least reading. Just may be quiet, but everything is fine. I just seem to be in a state of awe or something right now... maybe feeling humble, not sure. Also kind of digesting spiritually all I've learned from these lessons.

Have a good day.

I wonder if another thread might be better if there's going to be extended discussions of Bible study?

Hi Julie :)

Actually, that might not be a bad idea. I have seen this happen before on another site where some feelings got hurt over this same type of situation and valuable members of the community left.

Personally, the discussions do not bother me. I just don't plan to participate in them. And, as I said earlier, we don't have any rules in here (at least not that I am aware of) ... BUT I also respect that not everybody is interested in a Biblical approach to weight loss, so I can understand where you are coming from. BUT I cannot speak for anyone else, so that's where I'll leave it, for others to decide what they wish to discuss in here.

In the meantime, for anybody interested there is already a dedicated thread where the Bible studies are being discussed. Here is the link: Diet Bible Study

Son getting married today. Woohoooooooooo!!!!!

Have fun, Carol!

Congratulations and enjoy the wedding Carol!:congrat:

congratulations carol and have fun and enjoy... thanks for sharing. LaDean

Just a quick note. My DH has kidnapped me and is taking me to PEI. I'll tell you the whole story later when we get home in a week, Lord willing. It's a funny one.

Hi everyone,
I'm still IEing. Scale has been pretty steady, which I'll consider pretty good for me. As soon as cooler weather moves in I think I'll be a bit more active by getting back out to take walks again. Summer humidity just kills it for me there! Otherwise not much else going on here.

See you when you get back Carol.

I'm sorry if I've made anyone feel unwelcome here. This is exactly what I was afraid of.

Hi Blue. I know what you mean about the humidity. Ugh.

Blue Serenity,

I know you were probably not talking to me when you said...

If it was me you were talking to because of this...

I completely agree with you, in fact I was the one who mentioned I felt like I had hi-jacked this thread.

You have been nothing but sweet and kind to me...:hug:

Sometimes it's so hard to say what we want to on a thread, because you can't use any body language or facial expressions. You can't watch sombody face to see if what you are saying is being understood, or is hurting their feelings. Anyway... I just wanted to be sure you knew you hadn't hurt my feelings.

Love, Kelli

Hi Everyone,

Carolr Congrats on the wedding and hope you and DH had a good time on you special time away.

Blue You didn't offend me either. I think the things said was to me not Kellie. However, it isn't a problem for me. In fact, I did find a place where those things can be shared.

I don't want Blue to feel bad about anything. So I decided to write and tell you that I'm in a transition time in my life and I've decided to leave the Intuitive Eating program to do something else. I'm going to be getting really busy in September and won't have time to be on all the threads I've been on. So I have to pick and choose carefully which ones I'll keep.

I've decided to continue to study Kellie's lessons along with the other plan that I'm doing on another website. I need that one as it is my support group following the same plan. And I want to keep my faith thread here on 3fc. Just don't have time for more than that. Since I'm leaving IE program, it is logical for me to give this thread up. I will miss y'all.

I leave hoping you all will continue to do well with your IE Journey.

I don't think anyone felt unwelcome either! :)

Patty, I wish you the best. I struggle too with trying to do too much and doing none if it well!

Yes, I agree, Kelli.

As far as who I was talking to, I was just trying to address the situation from a neutral place. Things stay pretty relaxed in the IE thread, and I had everybody's interest at heart. :hug:

Trish, I wish you the best, you will be missed here! I'm sad to see you go, but I do understand. Check in with us from time to time! :hug:

Everybody, thanks for understanding. :grouphug: Sometimes I feel like I've put my foot in my mouth. :o

Well, back to business. Have a great one! :sunny:

Just a note. Ate too much last night but now I really feel it when I do that which reminds me not to do it again. Sorry to see you go, Patty.

Me too, Carol. I don't like that stuffed feeling anymore. It seems to be easier to listen to my fullness now than it did early on. Sometimes I never even reach full, but just stop at satisfied.

I've been eating a lot of bready stuff lately for convenience and I need to go shopping (been too busy for whipping up meals) and so I've been craving veggies. Once again, breakfast was a bread (a bagel w/cream cheese) but it just didn't satisfy me even tho it was a very good cinnamon raisin bagel, so I had a few baby cut carrots to top it off and that seems to have satisfied me, even tho I'm not full. Intuitive eating is fun!

Still having trouble stopping when satisfied. Can't wait to get home.

Hello there, I am fairly new and very interested in intuitive eating. I feel really good when I eating with hunger and fullness, but I am beginning to see a problem with this eating.

This post may be a little long, but I am hoping there is someone out there who has experienced the same problem.

I have done this intuitive eating a couple of times before. The first time with Weigh Down Workshop back in the last 90's. I felt great and for the first time in control instead of food controling me. I continued eating intuitively on this program until I stopped due to a very stressful move out of state which ended in abandoning the program. I did work the program well for at least a year, but I never saw the weight loss that a lot of other people did. Just a couple of pounds here and there and it was discouraging. Looking back I realized that althought I ate small portions of the foods that seems most appetizing, my menu consisted of mostly sweets and carbs.

A few years later I started working an online program that was based on intuitive eating called Setting Captives Free. I faithfully worked this program for 3 months following their guidlines and I lost a total of 5-6 lbs. Basically they accused me of not being "obedient" and I was really mad and disappointed.

I recently started reading the book "Intuitive Eating" and I love it and I have been working hard at doing it. The same thing is happening, I find myself eating mostly sugars and carbs, but small amounts, and I seem to have gained weight.

I am starting to believe that I am insulin resistant, and that is the reason I cannot lose weight. Insulin resistance causes cravings for carbs and sugars and although I am only eating small amount of these foods, I crave them.

The other day I decided to try something. Even though I wanted a couple of my favorite chocolate cookies when I was clearly hungry, I decided to make a simple fruit salad with fresh peaches, bananas, and blueberries, topped with about a 1/2 cup vanilla yogurt. Now my taste buds were not telling me this was truly what I wanted, but I ate it anyway. Well, it turned out that it was sooo delicious and way satisfying!

This got me thinking that I am continuing to crave carbs because I have some type of imbalance with sugar and this is what is keeping me from choosing healthier foods, and losing weight.

Any comments or encouragement is welcome! -Mary

praterteaches, I just have to laugh at the irony of a group calling themselves "Setting Captives Free" accusing you of not being "obedient." ;)

I mix IE with some choices about healthy eating. To me, *what* I eat strongly affects what I *want* to eat. Sure, if I eat nothing but junk, I eventually crave some veggies, but the key word there is "some" ;). I think for most people, the IE logic that you'll eventually eat healthy without trying is flawed. It's complicated to say that you have to balance IE and making healthy choices, but I think it's true.

When I eat whole grains and beans and veggies and nothing sweet - that's what I crave. I can think of sugar during the week and truly prefer something completely not sweet. Seriously. I find that I can have dessert about once a week, really enjoy it, and not crave more. But if I have more sweets than that, I want more and more and more. Junk is even worse.

Plus, my whole grains and beans and veggies keep me so full. Refined grains don't do that. If I'm eating until I'm satisfied, it takes a whole lot more refined grains to get me there.

So, in a way, I am eating intuitively. I'm at the point I truly do prefer healthier foods. But I don't really think it's fair to suggest to people that they will start preferring these foods, magically, and that then they will start eating them intuitively. I think it's the other way around. You eat them, and then start preferring them.

But the process and balance is tricky. I think IE has some very important concepts. But I do think it's lacking in the recognition of just how much *what* you eat affects what you *want* to eat.

That's just my take on it. We all have different eating backgrounds, and I'm sure IE exactly as written is exactly what many people need. Some of the concepts are stellar and pretty universal, and I keep working on them (as we all know, it's a lot harder than it sounds to everyone else!)

Julie, thank you for your imput. Truthfully, I was thinking the same thing. The book says to just go with your true desire of what sounds really good. I have been doing that and find myself eating a cookie at lunch, another two later on, and then a Dove bar at night. That is what sounded good to me, so I ate it. I didn't overeat, I waited until I was hungry. But, the more sweets I eat, the more I want. I tried eating one sweet a day, and that didn't last too long. I eat other healthy foods as well, but when I started thinking about what I was eating it seemed to be close to half of what I eat is sweet. It's not like I just started a month ago and I am not intuned with what I desire.

Your comment has made me realize that I have to adapt my IT eating to make sense for my life. I will never lose weight eating sweets all day long.