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Ilene
11-01-2010, 06:36 PM
Oh my how time flies!!

After NYC, next Monday, I am getting back on the wagon... I will also be on the wagon this week till Thursday.... I will do my best also in NYC to make the best choices but....

Confession: I fell into a bowl of those mini-bars yesterday I felt like poop all day today... I feel better now after a good Primal supper :hun:


sparky1946
11-01-2010, 06:53 PM
I will do my best also in NYC to make the best choices but....


I have a feeling that the restaurants that you will be visiting will be a whole lot more enticing than the ones in Vegas. I actually am packing some tuna fish and chicken broth as well as an assortment of nuts, which I cannot have many of if I am to stay below 20 net carbs...

I think it might be a lot of bacon (I don't like eggs :( ) and steak and salmon.

Good Luck everyone. I would sure like to be 149 when all is said and done.

Ilene
11-01-2010, 09:56 PM
I have a feeling that the restaurants that you will be visiting will be a whole lot more enticing than the ones in Vegas. I actually am packing some tuna fish and chicken broth as well as an assortment of nuts, which I cannot have many of if I am to stay below 20 net carbs...

I think it might be a lot of bacon (I don't like eggs :( ) and steak and salmon.

Good Luck everyone. I would sure like to be 149 when all is said and done.I must have missed something I didn't know you were going to Vegas! Cool! Well I will do my darnedest to keep it low carb :yes: ... I you can I can too :D


sparky1946
11-01-2010, 10:44 PM
2 Week Carb Challenge
Total Carbs Net Carbs
11/1 21 14
11/2
11/3
11/4
11/5
11/6
11/7
11/8
11/9
11/10
11/11
11/12
11/13
11/14

I'm svelting!
11-02-2010, 07:19 AM
While Sandy and others are doing the 20 net carb challenge, I'm going to do the more fat, more veg challenge. Yesterday ... not so good. Today is another day :D

Zucchini with eggs for breakfast
Salad (lettuce, cukes, avocado) with tuna for lunch
Kale salad for dinner, maybe some cauliflower, and lamb if I'm up for chewing tonight

Update: The dental freezing feels as if it's going to take a while to wear off ... It sure took long enough to set! I may be on liquids and soft foods for 24 hours. :dizzy:

sparky1946
11-02-2010, 08:53 AM
Good for you svelting...

After the challenge, I am going to try to come up with more fall/winter soup and stew recipes that will incorporate more and different veggies.

I have some old standbys that have corn, potatoes, and/or rice that I want to primalize, hopefully without changing the flavor too much.

Anybody have any tried and true favorites?

Mikkijoe
11-02-2010, 12:25 PM
I bought some beautiful clams that were frozen in clam nectar, I am going to make clam chowder. I will sautee pepper bacon and onion, then throw in celery, carrots, the clam nectar. Then top off with cream. I dont think it will be as thick as I like, since I dont imagine coconut flour would make a rouge (how the heck do you spell that!?) BUT it should be good.

We have made 'taco' soup several times. And a gumbo type soup as well. I love soup, it is so forgiving and flexible.

Im going out of town this weekend, but I am going to be on plan as much as possible until Saturday night, where we will have Ben and Jerrys no matter what! Hotel Room, Girls piled up on a bed, Jammies, Laughter, plastic spoons and multiple Ben & Jerrys......its gunna happen!

For me yesterday went fine.
11.1......29 total carbs, nothing off plan
11.2
11.3
11.4

sparky1946
11-02-2010, 02:36 PM
I think it is roux??? Not sure.

There is a primal thickener that you have to mix with water first rather than adding dry to fat in pan and then adding liquid. I am traveling today and I will look that up as I know that thick soups are so filling. Of course, we can load up on cream in many recipes.

Something like Konjac Glucomannan.....

Use it as thickener:
Like cornstarch, but with 10 times the viscosity, Konjac Glucomannan powder thickens sauces, gravies, puddings and pie fillings without affecting taste. Konjac Glucomannan is easy to use, dissolving easily into hot or cold liquids.

When using konjac for thickening, always mix it with a small amount of liquid (cold water, stock, wine, etc.) till smooth, then add this mixture to the food that you want thickened. If you add konjac powder directly to your food you will end up with a lumpy mess. Konjac powder can be used as a thickener for smooth gravies, sauces, glazes, soups, stews and casseroles. It is also a thickener in pies, puddings, custards and cake fillings. This naturally odorless, vegetable powder is also gluten-free, making it the perfect substitute in cooking and baking when flour and other glutinous starches must be avoided.

Ilene
11-02-2010, 03:40 PM
Mikkie, I once did a primal stew and they added arrowroot as a thickener. One tablespoon of water and one tablespoon of arrowroot, then add to the stew/soup...

Since Halloween night I feel soooo off plan, I need to get back on the wagon...

MaddieD
11-03-2010, 11:26 AM
Mikkie, I once did a primal stew and they added arrowroot as a thickener. One tablespoon of water and one tablespoon of arrowroot, then add to the stew/soup...

Since Halloween night I feel soooo off plan, I need to get back on the wagon...

I also use arrowroot because cornstarch just tastes wierd and flour is a no-no here (even for kids and hubby).

Oh Ilene....can I join your club...lol I have a brutal migraine and it is because my sugar intake has skyrocketed since just before Halloween. Chocolate is like crack to me. Chips and candy I can easily avoid but there is no way I can have chocolate in the house. Even though I have had a couple of really great primal(anti-candida) days with lots of meat and fats...the call of the chocolate(sugar) is just too much for me to ignore. I am seeing my naturopath tomorrow and I am asking for something to detox my system. Maybe if I can associate feeling really crappy (via detox) with eating sugar, my mind and body will finally make me avoid it. (`cause having a throbbing,stabbing headache with nausea sure isn`t working) :(

Enjoy your stays in Los Vegas and NY!! Hubby and I are going to Toronto (Canada) for a few days in mid-November. He is doing simulator training (he is with Air Canada) so I figured I would go with him as the hotel is paid already and Grammy is babysitting the kids! YAY!! No cooking....no cleaning...and no kids....a pool...and an exercise room....:carrot:

Ilene
11-03-2010, 04:29 PM
Maddie, why don't you join my club when I come back on Sunday night? :lol: ... I've had cramps too... Made the mistake of having an oatmeal cookie after giving blood last night, cramp city after that :rolleyes: ... I will do my darnedest in NYC to stay Primal :crossed: ... Toronto is nice, do the CN tower tourist thing :yes: and then relax at the hotel :D ... There's also the Eaton Centre to shop at... lots of things to do in TO....

Mikkijoe
11-03-2010, 05:46 PM
Hey there

Made primal bread last night, and I must say since I have not had a full sammich in over 2 months it was damn good!
2 cups packed spinach leaves
4 eggs
1/2 cup almonds (used cashews)
1/2 cup coconut flour
Added salt and pepper and about 1/4 cup water that was not called for

Pureed everything in the blender, and cooked like pancakes. Made a ham sammich.....WOW it was good, I could like green bread! not that its texture is like bread, cuz its not, but it did the trick. THat recipe just makes 6 rounds, I tripled the recipe while I was at it, just made sence to get the blender dirty one time.

AND you know that you are just a little strange when your idea of a snack is a can of collard greens and a slice of left over meatloaf crumbled up into it, topped off with butter and red pepper flakes, my daughter was pretty sure I had lost it, and made sure to point out that CANNED veg was not 100% on plan..........little twirp!

Day 2, total carbs at 36
Day 3, will be low, no food at work, having beef curry for dinner

I'm svelting!
11-03-2010, 08:25 PM
I think it is roux??? Not sure.

There is a primal thickener that you have to mix with water first rather than adding dry to fat in pan and then adding liquid. I am traveling today and I will look that up as I know that thick soups are so filling. Of course, we can load up on cream in many recipes.

Something like Konjac Glucomannan.....
Sandy, it is roux. You reminded me of one of my favourite cookbook titles (never purchased, just seen on the shelf) from New Orleans, "You say your Mama's Catholic, but can she make a roux?"


Oh Ilene....can I join your club...lol I have a brutal migraine and it is because my sugar intake has skyrocketed since just before Halloween. ...

Enjoy your stays in Los Vegas and NY!! Hubby and I are going to Toronto (Canada) for a few days in mid-November. He is doing simulator training (he is with Air Canada) so I figured I would go with him as the hotel is paid already and Grammy is babysitting the kids! YAY!! No cooking....no cleaning...and no kids....a pool...and an exercise room....:carrot:
Ilene and Maddie, sorry to hear that you're both feeling so poorly. Hope whatever's got you lets go really soon.

Maddie, I live in Toronto. If you don't have any other local sources of inside information about Toronto (or even if you do), let me know what you want to do and I'll do my best to come up with some recommendations!



AND you know that you are just a little strange when your idea of a snack is a can of collard greens and a slice of left over meatloaf crumbled up into it, topped off with butter and red pepper flakes, my daughter was pretty sure I had lost it, and made sure to point out that CANNED veg was not 100% on plan..........little twirp!

Day 2, total carbs at 36
Day 3, will be low, no food at work, having beef curry for dinner
Thanks for the primal sandwich recipe! That's sounds like a good substitute. I'll file the recipe away for the time when my bread-addicted sweetheart :shrug: is ready to switch.

Ah teen daughters ... so cheeky. You gotta love 'em! (Mostly because we were one once ;) Well I was a cheeky teen daughter, even if none of you were!)

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I've had a good day today -- filling eggy breakfast, big salad with tuna (probably should have had more tuna), chicken and sweet potato and kale for dinner. Blew past my fat target of 50% with a 57% and my calories in the 1300 - 1400 range. More fat - check, more veg - check, more food - check.

Oh, and I'm not going to get on the scale until Saturday. In doing that every morning, I've been giving myself a daily dose of crazy.

-Holly

MaddieD
11-04-2010, 04:59 PM
Thanks Holly for the offer! Hubby will be at the simulator at the airport so I'll be sticking pretty close to there. Honestly...I'm looking forward to the s-i-l-e-n-c-e of no kids around more than anything!! (bad mother I know!lol) I plan on getting 3 or 4 books and reading,relaxing and enjoying eating what I want without hearing the complaints (omg...stirfry again...where's the potatoes...nothing for dessert?) ;)

Headache is gone but oldest has pink eye. She is following in my footsteps re:sugar addiction and when she eats a lot of sugar, it really affects her body. My youngest...totally different kid. Will eat half a cookie and then be done. Me....I crave them until they are gone. ugh!

sparky1946
11-05-2010, 12:12 PM
Sold out our books early (hubby is an author), so got on the plane yesterday. Some old veteran had his wife boarded but he was on standby. The airline asked for volunteers to wait for a later flight. The guy was so agitated that my DH went up and volunteered us. As the flight was way overbooked, we both got $350 plus the cost of our one way flight plus another $50 ea 'cause the actual next flight was also booked. We wound up making back $1054. We lost about $15 at the slot machines....lol.

So a very successful trip except...... have you ever really tried hard in an airport to find primal food for a real meal? It almost makes you mad. You finally decide to eat healthy and you cannot find anything. We wound up having a Wendy's salad with questionable dressing for lunch and then because we were delayed more, a bunless burger with questionable cold slaw, and french fries with grated cheese, that I ate way too many of,
unfortunately.

During the conference, we were on our own for food. When you ask restaurants to totally change their menu, take a little from here add something from there. They charge more, that's for sure, at least in Vegas.

You know that one commercial for a budget motel chain, advertising their great breakfasts, and John Ratzenburger (sp) takes all of the bacon and his wife follows behind watching it fall off his plate? Well, that was me at the buffet. At one fancier restaurant, I ordered three orders of bacon and a bowl of berries. The biggest bowl ever with sweetened whipped cream on the side.

It's hard out there, rather stay home :).

I wrote down my meals and will try to enter them later. I know I am bloated today. Good day for a full on fast.

Mikkijoe
11-05-2010, 03:51 PM
sounds like a great trip, nice to get a few perks!
What kind of author is your husband? Just being nosey!

Well girls, I fell into a vat of nachos! YUP, they consumed me, tried to smuther me, and I had to eat my way out! it was ugly, but I survived, dont worry!

sparky1946
11-05-2010, 04:54 PM
He is a financial writer - very conservative bent. One of his websites is http:www.eurekonomics.com (http://www.eurekonomics.com) which I created along with a number of others. That is my working from home.

MaddieD
11-05-2010, 05:45 PM
:rofl: mikkijoe

sparky1946
11-05-2010, 08:10 PM
2 Week Carb Challenge
Total Carbs - Net Carbs - Average
11/1 21 ...........14---------14
11/2 20 ...........14---------14
11/3 76 ...........59---------29
11/4 88 ...........71---------40
11/5 15 .............9---------29
11/6
11/7
11/8
11/9
11/10
11/11
11/12
11/13
11/14

Since I have already gone above 20 net carbs, I am now changing the rules to a running average of at or below 20 Net Carbs :)

sparky1946
11-06-2010, 08:15 AM
I wound up being gone only a couple days. We were so busy that I didn't have time to log on and update things, so I just wrote down what I ate. I was not able to weigh myself everyday either. So I was feeling kinda lost and it scared me. Here I am in the mid 150s again and here is where I fall off the wagon, 'cause I am able to fit into some of my business clothes and don't feel so lumpy. (I even had one old fart following me out of the elevator and around the casino area asking questions. He left when I mentioned my husband. My wedding band is too big. I wear it on my index finger so I won't lose it.)

Anywho, I was thinking here I go again. Just can't seem to get beyond the 150s. Well, I woke up yesterday and had to first do all the bookkeeping associated with the conference. Some folks signed up for webpages on our site, so I needed to organize that stuff while I could remember their faces, etc.

But later on, I took out my record keeping and started entering the foods eaten. Some things I had to guess at like I had some Shrimp Scampi and it was a little breaded. :( The number of carbs was a little high but not as bad as I thought they might be. I also just used the same weight each day as I did not know the correct number.

I weighed 2 pounds more yesterday than when I left on Tuesday and I am hoping it is just a temporary water gain with the questionable foods I ate.

Some folks say stop keeping track. Stop weighing yourself everyday. But, for me, I think I would have assumed with the weight gain that I had fallen again and I would have gotten down on myself (again). But this time as I am able to measure the damage, and see that it was just a glitch that I did my best to control and now I can move on down the scale.

Tracking for me works......as well as reporting in to you all. Thank you all for being here!

wildviolets
11-06-2010, 09:50 AM
Sandy, I think you are doing fab! Just keep doing what you are doing....it's working!

sparky1946
11-06-2010, 12:20 PM
Sandy, I think you are doing fab! Just keep doing what you are doing....it's working!

Thanks wildviolets.... I will continue on, I am just kind of embarrassed that I started a challenge and then exceeded it almost immediately. Didn't know about the Vegas trip till the last minute but then again maybe without the challenge, I would have stuffed my face. :)

I'm svelting!
11-06-2010, 01:10 PM
Thanks wildviolets.... I will continue on, I am just kind of embarrassed that I start a challenge and then exceeded it almost immediately. Didn't know about the Vegas trip till the last minute but then again maybe without the challenge, I would have stuffed my face. :)
Sandy, how long are you going to let yourself be embarassed? :hug: You don't have to, you know. If you insist, would you set a timer and really really get into it? Then when it goes off, let the embarassment go! Look at what you did achieve -- only 2 days in the PB "weight loss" sweet spot on the carbohydrate curve and the rest in the Keto/IF zone!

Last night I started to post something to you and then cancelled because I thought it was none of my business. I'll try again: I hope I'm not being too presumptuous by suggesting that you average your carb grams over 4 or 5 days rather than the whole 14-day challenge. It's probably more reflective of how our bodies deal with these fluctuations, and allows the off-target days to fall out of the calculation.

I'm feeling great after 2 full days of no processed foods. This morning I was on the run and had a whey-based shake that was a staple for me and all I could taste was chemicals. Just did a grocery run to an organic butcher shop and picked up some grass-fed beef and bison, some organically-fed traditionally-raised pork bacon and chicken legs. It's going to be a yummy week! I also found a EV coconut oil-ghee blend which I'm interested to try.

sparky1946
11-06-2010, 01:36 PM
Thanks svelting...

I am a very black and white person. I also tend to need perfection. It has something to do with control, I am sure. I get panicky when I think I might go backwards as I have done many times before. It is OK for everyone else, but for me, it is scary to allow a slip. I feel like an addict or alcoholic.

I just cannot express how helpful it is to be able to post here. Sorry if I seem to be a drama queen. I need to finish this and get my inflammation under control. I am not even sure losing weight will fix everything. I am so impatient to learn the results of this experiment. And to learn what I may have to individually change to be healthy.

It is amazing about your whey-based shake chemical taste. It is good when our taste buds change for the better...

walking2lose
11-06-2010, 04:30 PM
Update: The dental freezing feels as if it's going to take a while to wear off ... It sure took long enough to set! I may be on liquids and soft foods for 24 hours. :dizzy:

Svelting, what does the dental freezing consist of? It doesn't sound like fun!

walking2lose
11-06-2010, 04:33 PM
Hey there

Made primal bread last night, and I must say since I have not had a full sammich in over 2 months it was damn good!
2 cups packed spinach leaves
4 eggs
1/2 cup almonds (used cashews)
1/2 cup coconut flour
Added salt and pepper and about 1/4 cup water that was not called for

Pureed everything in the blender, and cooked like pancakes. Made a ham sammich.....WOW it was good, I could like green bread! not that its texture is like bread, cuz its not, but it did the trick. THat recipe just makes 6 rounds, I tripled the recipe while I was at it, just made sence to get the blender dirty one time.



That sounds really good! I've been craving carb comfort foods, so I just copied and pasted this to my primal recipe folder. I have another spinach "bread" recipe from thisprimalife.com -- will try yours first though.

walking2lose
11-06-2010, 05:06 PM
Hi all,

Glad to see everyone is doing well, yes, Sandy, you are doing great! You will be in the 140s in no times. I have to agree with what has already been said and what you have acknowledged -- you are a bit tough on yourself. I think your numbers look outstanding for your challenge - just one high day. I've read that most people can stay in ketosis and don't even drop out of it with those numbers. So, kudos to you.

Now, I'm going to be a little hard on myself and tell y'all how I've fallen off the wagon. I haven't been awful by any means, but I have just not been consistent with primal every since my husband's accident 5 weeks ago. I'm not blaming the accident, but I didn't realize, I guess, how much stress it put me under, and combined with my already stressful job, well, the last month hasn't been pretty. I've struggled with sleep and exercise mostly, and the eating has been up and down with some serious over carbaging in the last week or so.

Almost every night I've craved some kind of sweet snack, and while it's not the worst thing I could have, a bowl of ricotta cheese with macademia nuts and chocolate chips and vanilla stirred in, topped with whipped cream, is probably not going to help me lose the last 10 lbs. No, sir, it's not. I also put in just a bit of stevia, as if it's not decadent enough, which I'm sure has further fueled my craving for carby stuff.

Besides evenings, my other problem area has been work (I teach). I swear, schools have more dang JUNK food than a 7-11, and it's always right in your face. One day one of my students ran to tell me to make sure I checked my mailbox, so I hustled down during planning to find a ginormous, soft, chewy BROWNIE in my box. Um, ok, I thought, I should just put that in another teacher's box and not even try it... hmm, I'll just take a bite first and then give it away. Well, half a brownie later (and it was huge) I finally rewrapped it and gave it away. Ugh.

Then we had a work day on election day, and the PTA delivered something like 54 DOZEN donuts (I'm not joking - I've never seen so many boxes of donuts in one place) from a new donut shop in town to THANK the teachers for all we do. It was sad to see the teachers SWARM the tables, getting just the kind of filling they wanted. I stood back, smugly watching, and munched my mid morning almond snack. I was strong, though the smells of lemon and cream filling, rich glaze, and powdered sugar wafted around me throughout the meeting. I almost survived the day, sans evil donuts, until I walked into the teacher center at the end of the day -- tired, hungry, and weak -- and there sat several boxes of leftover donuts. Argh. I tell myself it could have been worse... I only had one donut. But, it's amazing how bloated and icky one carb BOMB made me feel. Worse, I think, is the cravings these CARB BOMBS make me feel -- SO NOT WORTH IT!

To top everything off, I started to feel sick Wednesday, husband forced me to go to the doctor on Thursday, and I have SHINGLES!!!! What the heck -- I'm 42, and I associate shingles with something old people get (my very unhealthy, heavy smoking, grandmother had recurring cases of shingles).

I am viewing the shingles as a serious wake up call for me, and I need to heed it. I MUST take care of myself, I must exercise, I must eat well, and perhaps most importantly, I minimize the stress and anxiety I put on myself (mainly with my job). My body is trying to tell me that's it's all too much -- and I must heed the call.

So, back on the wagon - health really is the most important thing. Back to 3FC (there's a lot to be said for accountability and SUPPORT we get here). It's inspiring to come back and hear how well everyone's been doing (minus a little Halloween candy), and I feel ready to go forward.

I truly, sincerely believe that primal eating and lifestyle is the way to go for good health - so, ladies, I'm back on the wagon, and it's very, very good to be back!

Have a PRIMAL weekend all!

sparky1946
11-06-2010, 07:18 PM
Welcome back Claire..... :carrot:

Wow, you have been through the mill. I don't know much about shingles. Can they be caused by stress? I remember thinking that I should get a chicken pox vaccine, to prevent them. Are you in a lot of pain? I assume shingles is some kind of immune system breakdown.

I do not know how teachers do it, day in and day out, anyway. And then with all the goodies, it must be like you don't dare take a break. You must be a very good teacher...to get a brownie from a student. :T

It is sure easier to stay on plan when you don't leave the house! :dizzy:

IF'd till about three today and then my husband made himself a pork chop. Well that ended the fast. Tasted so good with some fresh pepper salad.

CJZee
11-07-2010, 08:05 AM
Sandy - I read your “observation” post and your comments on how, even though you couldn’t weigh, you wrote down your food. I personally think that tracking (for me) is the single most important thing I can do, it keeps me honest. And sometimes, like you, I feel rather lost. Sometimes -- even though I have been doing this for 18 months -- I am almost clueless as to what my calorie/carb consumption is for the day until I plug it into my CalorieKing software. (Well, I know it’s not 5000 calories, but when you’re in a lower range, everything counts!) So kudos to you on your trip, I think you did the perfect thing, tracking like you did.

Just did a grocery run to an organic butcher shop and picked up some grass-fed beef and bison, some organically-fed traditionally-raised pork bacon and chicken legs. It's going to be a yummy week! I also found a EV coconut oil-ghee blend which I'm interested to try.
Holly, that sounds wonderful! Let us know about the coconut oil-ghee blend.

Also - I saw your progress pictures thread ... you look hot! Wow!! You must be so pleased with yourself.

"over carbaging"
Oh! This is perfect, thank you! It reminds me of some kind of industrial vaccuum cleaner in a dump just sucking up the carbs.

Claire - I know a woman in her 40's that had the shingles also. Anyone who has had chicken pox can get the shingles (it's the same virus that comes "back to life" sometimes). If you haven't had chicken pox, I don't think you can get the shingles. I asked my doctor about the shingles vaccine, and he told me they recommend it for anyone 60 or older. I will probably get it next time I go in, I know it can be a painful disease. I don't know if you can get the vaccine AFTER it has flared up, though. Please let us know how you are doing, and hugs to you. CJ

sparky1946
11-07-2010, 10:49 AM
2 Week Carb Challenge
Total Carbs - Net Carbs - Average
11/1 21 ...........14---------14
11/2 20 ...........14---------14
11/3 76 ...........59---------29
11/4 88 ...........71---------40
11/5 15 .............9---------29
11/6 15 ...........13---------30
11/7
11/8
11/9
11/10
11/11
11/12
11/13
11/14

Now I know I am getting that vaccine!! Anyone had it and had any side affects like gaining ten lbs. :(

I'm svelting!
11-07-2010, 07:30 PM
I am a very black and white person. I also tend to need perfection. It has something to do with control, I am sure. I get panicky when I think I might go backwards as I have done many times before. It is OK for everyone else, but for me, it is scary to allow a slip. I feel like an addict or alcoholic.

I just cannot express how helpful it is to be able to post here. Sorry if I seem to be a drama queen. I need to finish this and get my inflammation under control. I am not even sure losing weight will fix everything. I am so impatient to learn the results of this experiment. And to learn what I may have to individually change to be healthy.
You're doing really, really well. What is the saying, "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."?

I too find it really helpful to have a place to post to sort out my thoughts. I have the IP threads, this one, my blog and the PB/MDA forum :dizzy: Yikes! :fr: Logorrhea much? :D

Svelting, what does the dental freezing consist of? It doesn't sound like fun!
Claire -- The dentist was preparing my tooth for a crown -- so grinding away at the old filling and some actual tooth. I didn't ask, but I think the freezing was novocaine. I'll be going back for the permanent crown this week and a small filling in a upper tooth. The dentist assures me that freezing the upper jaw is much easier than the lower. We shall see!
[ I read your “observation” post and your comments on how, even though you couldn’t weigh, you wrote down your food. I personally think that tracking (for me) is the single most important thing I can do, it keeps me honest. <snip>

Holly, that sounds wonderful! Let us know about the coconut oil-ghee blend.

Also - I saw your progress pictures thread ... you look hot! Wow!! You must be so pleased with yourself.
I also like recording what I eat. If you think about this as an experiment, it's almost necessary to record the "inputs" to see if there are any patterns in the outputs. I kept a food, mind, and body journal when I did the Potatoes Not Prozac program. It was interesting to see what food seemed to cause what symptom. I started paying attention to my body in a healthy way and noticed that when I had a lot of milk (just regular pasteurized 1% or 2%) within about 30-60 minutes I had ear "wax-us maximus" I have cream and full-fat yogurt now and haven't had the ear problems.

Haven't tried the coconut oil ghee blend yet. I bought some no nitrate bacon and we've been eating and nibbling on that. I was apologizing for it while it cooked, the pink meaty parts turned grey-beige. It didn't look very appealing but boy it tasted good. My sweetheart admitted afterward that he had his doubts while he was tending it, but had his fair share last night and today!

Thanks for checking me out. ;) I am very pleased with the progress I've made and am looking forward to losing weight and burning the belly fat on primalish eating. I'm going to give myself at least a month before I start the primalish movement (fitness) other than frequently move slowly.

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I need to thank you all for posting. If it weren't for you being here when my curiosity had me poking around 3FC, it may have taken me a long time to discover primal. I'm so very grateful. :thanks:

sparky1946
11-07-2010, 07:48 PM
svelting, you may have mentioned this before but where are you with IP? It appears that you have had great success on it losing 50 lbs.

My SIL is still going back and forth between IP and Primal and isn't doing too well on either. His mom lost a ton of weight and is now pretty much living off the shakes as she has digestive issues and throws everything up except those shakes.

Are you using Primal to transition?

I'm svelting!
11-07-2010, 08:39 PM
svelting, you may have mentioned this before but where are you with IP? It appears that you have had great success on it losing 50 lbs.

My SIL is still going back and forth between IP and Primal and isn't doing too well on either. His mom lost a ton of weight and is now pretty much living off the shakes as she has digestive issues and throws everything up except those shakes.

Are you using Primal to transition?
I'm off the IP stuff. My intention was to be on it only for a limited period of time. Mostly because my pattern has been to be take something on enthusiastically for 3 months or so, then to get distracted and move on. I decided just to use that to my advantage with a planned change in the 3-4 month range. I didn't know what I would move to, just that I would move. And, here I am.

I'm theoretically in "Phase 3" which is the reintroduction of carbs (fruit, grain, low fat dairy) at breakfast. The principle of doing this is to "wake up" the pancreas in a controlled manner after a period of very low carbs. Instead of grains I was having a scoop of a sweet potato - red onion - apple casserole. The last 3-4 days I've been skipping the starch and just protein and fat (eggs + cream + coconut oil) or having full-fat greek yogurt with berries and some nuts. I may just roast up some more veggies and keep them handy for morning noshing this week.

Your SIL:
I would find it difficult to bounce back and forth between the two plans. Ideal Protein is a decidedly low fat plan, probably ≈ 25 g fat/day. They'll both work for him, he probably justs needs to choose to "put his whole-self in, and do the Hokey-pokey." That's what it's all about! :D

I hope his mother finds something other than the IP shakes. :yikes: I wonder if some probiotics would ease her digestive issues. A decent coach might suggest that if informed of the difficulties.

Transitioning:
I'm really just using Primal to transition to Primal. :) Over the course of 2 weeks, I moved from having 1 real food meal + 3-4 protein packet meals/day to having 3 real food meals.

One tip from IP's maintenance guidelines (Phase 4) is to separate servings of fat from starches and sugars. Have fatty meats with veg. Have starchy carbs with veg and lean meat or lean fish. It's kind of an interesting idea, but I haven't tried it yet. I am keeping the tactic in my back pocket should my weight loss/fat loss stall for some reason.

sparky1946
11-07-2010, 08:50 PM
2 Week Carb Challenge
Total Carbs - Net Carbs - Average
11/1 21 ...........14---------14
11/2 20 ...........14---------14
11/3 76 ...........59---------29
11/4 88 ...........71---------40
11/5 15 .............9---------29
11/6 15 ...........13---------30
11/7 24............19---------28
11/8
11/9
11/10
11/11
11/12
11/13
11/14

Mikkijoe
11-08-2010, 01:19 PM
hey girls, I am back from my weekend trip where I was VERY naughty and I am good with that! (and good AT that)
Friday we had a Italian potluck ..and I had bread and pasta! it was not that great and I felt all bloaty and stiff in the monrning
Saturday We hit the road, I had KFC, but no biscuits or anything, just chicken and coleslaw.
Saturday night was Red Robin, I had the fries, and the burger I had without the bread!
BUT Sat night after soaking in the hot tub and playing in the pool we had Ben and Jerrys Ice Cream......YUP the whole thing!
Sunday morning hotel breakfast, biscuits and gravy, bagel and crm cheese and peanut butter
Sunday 3pm, chinese food, S&S chicken, pork chow mein, egg roll....

Now I am DONE.
Packed lunch of steak and carrots, brought my coffee and tea to work too, no excuses.
I am so gassey, stiff, achey, bloated. YUCK!

But I knew this weekend was coming and I was going to have what I wanted to have and be good with it

Mikkijoe
11-08-2010, 01:25 PM
Excited that we are starting our new Dave Ramsey Seminar. That is the Friday night potluck, so it will be a challenge, especially nights when they do things like Italian! But I will find a way. I think this next week will be Haystacks (taco salads built on tortilla chips) I can do that well, we will bring the ground beef and just have it without the chips.

We also have a meeting we go to 2 times a month that is potluck too, it gets a little difficult, I just make sure to bring a main course that we can survive on if we dont have anything else added to it.

Anyway, Dave Ramsey (Financial Peace) is a 13 week course, and we are excited. We are a small group going through it right now, and will offer it to our community in a larger group in Feb, and the ones going through it right now will lead the groups. I need to replace my car this spring, and possibly the other one too. My goal will be to pay cash for at least one of them. SO I am making my car payments to myself right now (to save for the future car)

sparky1946
11-08-2010, 03:06 PM
Good for you MikkiJoe,

That's how we bought our last car. The next thing is the house. My husband and I both left our first spouses with the house, the car, the 401k etc. Both didn't want to hurt the other person and possessions were just not that important to us. My ex even says regarding my daughters terrible divorce "I don't know what is wrong, your mother and my divorce was very smooth...". Ya right, cause I gave you everything. LOL

Anyway, when my new husband and I met, we didn't realize that we had both done that and neither one of us had a paid-for house. So we're starting over from scratch. :(

So funny reading about your weekend. I admire you telling it like it was, no excuses and no regrets!

Mikkijoe
11-08-2010, 06:06 PM
I briefly looked at your husbands web site Friday, very similar principles that we are "training" our brain to follow.

Lunch today, left over steak and veggie. I asked my daughter to pack the steak in a container and add some type of veg....she put in a handful of raw baby carrots. I do not like baby carrots when I am at work, it takes too much work to eat them, especially when I might have to answer the phone. So I left them in the container while I heated up the steak, about 3 minutes in the microwave....I think I found a new way to eat carrots, those were perfect. Still had crunch but not too much.

sparky1946
11-08-2010, 08:57 PM
2 Week Carb Challenge
Total Carbs - Net Carbs - Average
11/1 21 ...........14---------14
11/2 20 ...........14---------14
11/3 76 ...........59---------29
11/4 88 ...........71---------40
11/5 15 .............9---------29
11/6 15 ...........13---------30
11/7 24............19---------28
11/8 26............18---------27
11/9
11/10
11/11
11/12
11/13
11/14

Slowly but surely coming down....

I'm svelting!
11-09-2010, 07:03 AM
Mikkijoe don't you just love unintended discoveries like your baby carrots? They must have been delicious after soaking up a little of the steak drippings. :T

Sandy you're doing well on your net carb challenge! :yay:

I can't believe my energy and mood the last few days -- steady, even high energy and I'm bloody cheerful even early in the morning.

Has anyone experienced low-blood pressure when rising either from bed or sitting? If so, what worked to eliminate it?

sparky1946
11-09-2010, 10:46 AM
I've experienced it before and during this WOE and have no idea what causes it.
I thought it was just old age. LOL

I just researched a little and read that dehydration can be a cause. I wonder if when we are low carb so we do not store water with carbs, if there is a problem with just not having enough water around. I try to drink water often but "forget". Days that I drink well, my urine is light yellow, almost clear. I have read that clear urine is too much water.

So I will start noticing, how I feel when hydrated and suddenly getting up. I notice this the most when I get out of my very hot bubble baths. They are probably not good for me but I cannot stand water that is not HOT :)

Ilene
11-09-2010, 12:26 PM
:wave: hey girls ... Had a great weekend in NYC like Mikkie no regrets on any front :D ... This morning I was already down 3lbs of bloat .....

Back to work :( back to eatin well :) and exercising :D

Mikkijoe
11-09-2010, 01:40 PM
Hot baths; GUILTY! In fact my kids now have a glass of ice water waiting for me, seems like all I can do is get my jammies on and practically crawl to the recliner, it wipes me out! But I wont stop! My skin gets so dry in the winter, and the hot water is the last thing it needs, but too bad, must have my hot water fix.

Doing good today, have my curry packed for lunch, have chipless taco salad tonight, will stay on plan

Made 5 minute ice cream last night! Put about 3/4 cup of frozen blue berries in a heavy coffee mug, poured coconut milk over them till just to the top of the berries. Then quickly toasted some unsweetened coconut chips (the huge flakes) in butter till toasted and brown. Mixed up with spoon and kinda choped the berries a little. With the berries frozen it ended up freezing the milk and it was like ice cream! Fantastic! I used SO Delicious Original Coconut milk, but also tried it with canned pure coconut milk, both ways great, The SO cm was the very best though!

MaddieD
11-09-2010, 05:14 PM
OOOOH Mikkijoe...I might have to try that!! We used to do that with yogurt and blueberries but after the kids were diagnosed with soy AND dairy allergies, that dessert went out the window. And pretty much anything "frozen" has those 2 ingredients.

Will have to go shopping tomorrow!

sparky1946
11-09-2010, 05:25 PM
MikkiJoe...

I have a recipe for Chicken Veloute soup that is delicious but it has fresh corn in it that may "make" the recipe. Can you think of any vegetable that would have the little bit of sweetness the corn probably adds? I am already going to substitute the potato with rutabagas or turnips. Substituted rutabagas for the potatoes in the Olive Garden Soup (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/showthread.php?14453-Olive-Garden-s-Zuppa-Tuscan-Soup&highlight=Olive+garden+soup) mentioned on MDA and my DH liked that a lot. I just had the broth as I couldn't spare the carbs this week and it was really good.....

I was thinking maybe yellow peppers or carrots but neither one seems to be quite right.

Mikkijoe
11-09-2010, 05:41 PM
Although the texture is nothing like corn, you could replace the potato with sweet potato and get the starch and the sweet at the same time. I found out with curry that I made last night how quick cubes of sweet taters cook up. I used carrots in my curry, and it really does not add a sweetness. Yea, sweet red peppers might help, or orange, and would not up the carbs......hmm let me think on that!

sparky1946
11-09-2010, 09:29 PM
2 Week Carb Challenge
Total Carbs - Net Carbs - Average
11/01 21 ...........14---------14
11/02 20 ...........14---------14
11/03 76 ...........59---------29
11/04 88 ...........71---------40
11/05 15 .............9---------29
11/06 15 ...........13---------30
11/07 24............19---------28
11/08 26............18---------27
11/09 32............19---------26
11/10
11/11
11/12
11/13
11/14

wildviolets
11-10-2010, 08:35 AM
Sandy, I agree with Mikkijoe.....I think Sweet Red Pepper would be a great substitute. I make a dish that you saute chopped red peppers and onion and simmer in chicken broth til soft. Then puree and add cream. Then you add cooked chicken and snowpeas and eat over pasta but I think it would be good as a soup.

Also when I was in England, a friend made us this delicous soup....she just boiled red peppers, onions and sweet potatoes (1 of each) in broth and then pureed when cooked through. Very simple, very healthy and very tasty. I make that all the time now and sometimes add ginger and garlic, or a chili pepper. But it's good on it's own.

I'm rambling......I guess I'm in a cooking mood today!

sparky1946
11-10-2010, 09:22 AM
Thanks MikkiJoe and wildviolets. I will try the sweet potato and red pepper combo!!

sparky1946
11-10-2010, 01:26 PM
Got our first snow yesterday, but the sun is out and bright today. I think we are supposed to have more this week. So.....

Time to get back to the gym. Like the rowing machine. I am also contemplating a Hula/Belly dancing class that some of my cohorts are doing. They "entertain" at Senior centers around Denver, which scares me. I do not want to frighten the old folks :)

But they practice on Thursdays at 11:00 way down south of Denver and I am still babysitting my grandson on Thursdays so I will have to talk my DH into serving lunch to the little one. I actually want to reconnect to these women as I have been working too much and playing too little.

I picked up my grandkid's hula hoop a few weeks ago and could do nothing with it. I used to be pretty good as a kid. We get so stiff as we age. The hula class will probably be a hoot. Although one woman has all kinds of disc issues, is bent over, and still does it.

I'll send a picture when I get brave enough...which will probably be a longggggg time from now.

I finally lost all the bloat from my Vegas indiscretion. Gosh it takes forever to come down after a carb fest and mine was modest. I think I am becoming allergic to carbs LOL.

Today I really wanted an apple, so I had a half of a Granny Smith which shot the carbs for the day. It will be broth, water and tea for me today. With some meat, of course.

My question to you cooks out there. I bought kale for the Olive Garden soup. I hate kale by itself or even doctored up with bacon and cream. But my husband likes it occasionally. Would it be possible to cook it up and then freeze it in small packets to be added to soups? I just hate to waste food. Our menus always focus on what's getting old in the frig. I waited too long for some asparagus and it made me want to even more focus on taking advantage of foods at their freshest.

Mikkijoe
11-10-2010, 01:42 PM
Yes, Blanch the kale for about 4-5 minutes in salted water, give it a ice bath then drain. Package in something that gets all the air out, I suppose it could also be frozen in water and sqeeezed out too?

Have you ever tried Kale chips? I hear they are fantastic, basically roasted kale

sparky1946
11-10-2010, 01:56 PM
Perfect....I will do this right away.

Kale chips, I haven't tried. I have done some of the root veggie chips and they were OK but made me long for taco chips.

I have taken YOUR advice, MikkiJoe, and am sticking with basic whole foods until I get to goal. Making pretend cookies and cakes and breads are for when I can consume lots of almond flour etc. Right now I cannot afford the carbs. Gotta get the inflammation down !!!

My current little cheats are 1/2 an apple, a tiny piece of 72% chocolate, etc. My mind set has so changed.... the thought of a donut is not even a possibility for me. 1/2 an apple makes me feel so guilty.....it's crazy but true.

I do want to try all this stuff more when I am under 130 and can transition to 150 carb maintenance. Or whatever it is for me.

Thanks for your help...

sparky1946
11-10-2010, 08:10 PM
2 Week Carb Challenge
Total Carbs - Net Carbs - Average
11/01 21 ...........14---------14
11/02 20 ...........14---------14
11/03 76 ...........59---------29
11/04 88 ...........71---------40
11/05 15 .............9---------29
11/06 15 ...........13---------30
11/07 24............19---------28
11/08 26............18---------27
11/09 32............19---------26
11/10 17............10---------24
11/11
11/12
11/13
11/14

I ate a lot of meat....

Ilene
11-10-2010, 10:10 PM
2 Week Carb Challenge
Total Carbs - Net Carbs - Average
11/01 21 ...........14---------14
11/02 20 ...........14---------14
11/03 76 ...........59---------29
11/04 88 ...........71---------40
11/05 15 .............9---------29
11/06 15 ...........13---------30
11/07 24............19---------28
11/08 26............18---------27
11/09 32............19---------26
11/10 17............10---------24
11/11
11/12
11/13
11/14

I ate a lot of meat....

Dang Sandy you're good!! Keep up the great work!

sparky1946
11-11-2010, 01:02 PM
But am I losing any weight ... or inches for that matter?? That is the question... I am going to measure myself next Monday to see :)

My size 12s seem to be falling down. A couple more lbs and I am half-way there.

Thanks Ilene

Mikkijoe
11-11-2010, 01:09 PM
With the holidays coming I find myself looking for those substitute recipes, and yet I know I will eat too much of them, and THEN I will make the real thing because the fake was not quite good enough and then the madness just continues.

I am going to make a primal stuffing for T Day though, it is made with coconut flour muffins, and has leeks and prochitto. And I am making a flour free chocolate cake (like truffles almost) But other than that I am just going to stick to prime rib, turkey and lots of veggie sides

wildviolets
11-11-2010, 05:49 PM
Thought this was interesting.....my SIL said the weight watchers is changing their point system at the end of November. Apparently you can eat all the fruits and veggies you want (no points) but their new point calculator will focus on carbs. That way if you are choosing between a cup of popcorn or an apple, you'd pick the apple.

Not sure if any of you ever did weight watchers or not but I think this shows that even they are coming around some to a low carb WOE.

I'm svelting!
11-11-2010, 06:26 PM
Thought this was interesting.....my SIL said the weight watchers is changing their point system at the end of November. Apparently you can eat all the fruits and veggies you want (no points) but their new point calculator will focus on carbs. That way if you are choosing between a cup of popcorn or an apple, you'd pick the apple.

Not sure if any of you ever did weight watchers or not but I think this shows that even they are coming around some to a low carb WOE.
Wow that is a huge change! I wonder if they've shifted their view on fats? If I recall correctly the "points calculator" is about a relationship between calories, fibre and fat. It'll be an interesting story to follow, if your SIL is correct.

-Holly

walking2lose
11-11-2010, 07:09 PM
Hot baths; GUILTY! In fact my kids now have a glass of ice water waiting for me, seems like all I can do is get my jammies on and practically crawl to the recliner, it wipes me out! But I wont stop! My skin gets so dry in the winter, and the hot water is the last thing it needs, but too bad, must have my hot water fix.

Doing good today, have my curry packed for lunch, have chipless taco salad tonight, will stay on plan

Made 5 minute ice cream last night! Put about 3/4 cup of frozen blue berries in a heavy coffee mug, poured coconut milk over them till just to the top of the berries. Then quickly toasted some unsweetened coconut chips (the huge flakes) in butter till toasted and brown. Mixed up with spoon and kinda choped the berries a little. With the berries frozen it ended up freezing the milk and it was like ice cream! Fantastic! I used SO Delicious Original Coconut milk, but also tried it with canned pure coconut milk, both ways great, The SO cm was the very best though!

Damn, that sounds good!!! I have coconut milk - need to get some frozen berries!

walking2lose
11-11-2010, 07:15 PM
Hi ladies!

Thanks so much for all the supportive notes about my shingles. I am feeling SO much better but never, ever want to go through this again. Painful!

Sandy, I love kale, and this summer started to make kale chips on a pretty regular basis. I would buy the big bags of kale from store, dump in a huge bowl, and drizzle a healthy amount of olive oil over and add kosher salt. At first I was baking these, but then I bought a dehydrator off of ebay. I found a delicious recipe for a sauce -- made with tamari, tahini, garlic, etc. -- sooo good. So I alternated between the zesty chips and the basic olive oil and salt. I haven't made them a single time since school started, so maybe I'll make them this weekend.

Here is what I'm getting ready to make for dinner -- no rice, though. I'm also going to add brocoli.

http://simplyrecipes.com/recipes/spicy_garlic_shrimp_with_coconut_rice/

sparky1946
11-11-2010, 08:04 PM
2 Week Carb Challenge
Total Carbs - Net Carbs - Average
11/01 21 ...........14---------14
11/02 20 ...........14---------14
11/03 76 ...........59---------29
11/04 88 ...........71---------40
11/05 15 .............9---------29
11/06 15 ...........13---------30
11/07 24............19---------28
11/08 26............18---------27
11/09 32............19---------26
11/10 17............10---------24
11/11 25............15---------23
11/12
11/13
11/14

I'm svelting!
11-11-2010, 09:03 PM
But am I losing any weight ... or inches for that matter?? That is the question... I am going to measure myself next Monday to see :)

My size 12s seem to be falling down. A couple more lbs and I am half-way there.
Glad to hear that your pants are getting larger. That's what you want, right? ;)

My hips no longer prevent the effects of gravity when I wear any of 4 pairs of pants bought in August. :D


Here is what I'm getting ready to make for dinner -- no rice, though. I'm also going to add brocoli.

Spicy Garlic Shrimp with Coconut Rice (http://simplyrecipes.com/recipes/spicy_garlic_shrimp_with_coconut_rice/)
Glad you're feeling better. From what I've heard from relatives, shingles is an experience to be avoided and/or never repeated.

The recipe sounds great. Although I could substitute a different protein, I may have to acquire a taste for shrimp!

With the holidays coming I find myself looking for those substitute recipes, and yet I know I will eat too much of them, and THEN I will make the real thing because the fake was not quite good enough and then the madness just continues.

I am going to make a primal stuffing for T Day though, it is made with coconut flour muffins, and has leeks and prochitto. And I am making a flour free chocolate cake (like truffles almost) But other than that I am just going to stick to prime rib, turkey and lots of veggie sides
I know what you mean. Sometimes it's just easier and faster to have what you really want. Who had the advertising slogan, "Accept no substitutes?"

And a flour-free cake sounds perfect! My sweetheart has made several of them in the few years I've known him and I much prefer the egg-butter-chocolate cakes to the fluffier flour ones. They're so rich and the flavour is so intense that I only needed and wanted a small piece.

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The coconut oil - ghee product is convenient and works nicely when I want less of a coconut flavour. I used it today with onions and some bok choy.

I made a crockpot of beef stew (rutabaga, onion, garlic & mushrooms with some red wine) on Monday. That has been an absolute delight several evenings, especially after I thought to add a little cream to it after heating. And, I've got my daily calories up to 1500 - 1600 and fat % is averaging 50 - 60% for the last week. Where's my easy button? :lol:

sparky1946
11-12-2010, 10:20 AM
Hi ladies!

http://simplyrecipes.com/recipes/spicy_garlic_shrimp_with_coconut_rice/

I crave the Red Lobster version of Shrimp Scampi. In fact the last time I went to the local Red Lobster, for an all you can eat shrimp fest, the other stuff tasted blah (this was before Primal), but the Scampi was great. Does anyone know how they season it? I have had scampi other places and it just doesn't taste the same...

sparky1946
11-12-2010, 12:06 PM
Ilene,

I finally figured out Bob's handle on MDA. Spent a lot of time reading through his journal. It was eerie reading his excitement about his first couple months of weight loss - 25 plus pounds each. Knowing that in the first weeks of August, he was going to be hit with Gout and the need to go off of low-carb or at least his IFing routine. It was so sad to read. He stopped his journal with out mentioning the gout. He replied to a few posts after that and mentioned it on only one that I saw. And then just disappeared. I wish he would just drop in once and let us know he is OK.

His posts were always so well researched and to the point. I learned so much from him and I pray that he is researching the heck out of gout and is doing well on another forum or that he has his own blog. He talked about one or more but I did not see any URLs.

Mikkijoe
11-12-2010, 03:01 PM
really? I remember him mentioning his user name on MDA once here, but was not able to find it later. I was wondering if he ever posted there anymore. I even searched through all the gout postings to see if he would be on there.

You saw my posting yesterday about cauliflower and brussel spouts, NEVER again will I have those on the same day!
I am being very gentle to my tummy today trying to calm it down. The feeling that I might blow up at any moment is not pleasent! (especially since I fired my front desk gal and I am at the front desk working 90% of the time! EEEKKKK)

Mikkijoe
11-12-2010, 03:05 PM
Snow Tuesday morning during my commute--and a little mid day too, they are threatning snow a little this weekend, the passes are getting a good share.....I guess winter really is here.

My house was freezing this morning, I spent 45 minutes under a blankie in my recliner with a cup of chia and coconut milk......I really was hoping I could just call this a weekend and stay right there!

Ilene
11-12-2010, 03:46 PM
Sandy, I miss Bob too, he was fun and very inspiring to see his progress...The internet is a great tool and it sad when we get to "know" someone then they disappear. Maybe he'll be back he just needs time... I knew his handle when he was posting but it's slipped my mind just now... I myself haven't been to the MDA site in a while...

sparky1946
11-12-2010, 04:22 PM
After I read my post on Bob, I thought, those gals are going to think I am a stalker. Well I would be if I knew his real name LOL No, just kidding. But you are right on, Ilene, when you say it is sad when you get to "know" someone and they just disappear.

When he was doing his weigh-in, we all waited with baited breath, just to find out his number. Some even had a friendly bet going. I think we helped him as well. His own little cheer-leading team...

sparky1946
11-12-2010, 07:09 PM
2 Week Carb Challenge
Total Carbs - Net Carbs - Average
11/01 21 ...........14---------14
11/02 20 ...........14---------14
11/03 76 ...........59---------29
11/04 88 ...........71---------40
11/05 15 .............9---------29
11/06 15 ...........13---------30
11/07 24............19---------28
11/08 26............18---------27
11/09 32............19---------26
11/10 17............10---------24
11/11 25............15---------23
11/12 29............20---------23
11/13
11/14

I'm svelting!
11-12-2010, 08:27 PM
Quick pop-in ... I figured out how to reduce the "getting up dizziness" have more salt. It may not be an option for everyone, but it works for me!

Sandy, I think it's connected to the water issue. I seem to urinate more than I used to. Use and lose more water ... you also lose electrolytes like sodium. Also we're not eating a lot of processed food, where you can get your RDA for sodium in half a regular portion of some foods. :)

srmb60
11-13-2010, 09:14 AM
Didn't Bob call himself Grol at MDA? I closed that window but I'll look later. I don't think I've seen him there lately either.

sparky1946
11-13-2010, 11:24 AM
Yes that was it. He had a Journal but no activity since the end of August or so.

MaddieD
11-13-2010, 05:07 PM
Hey Ladies!

Funny (or freaky) that you have been mentioning this Bob person and how he disappeared. I am here to say thank you for all the info over the past while. I know I wasn't here long or posted a lot however I have been getting a lot of days teaching (I am a subsititute) and am able to afford a personal trainer. I started with him today and I think I need to focus my energies on what he says...both nutrition-wise and exercise. He is does believe in carbs, however he feels one serving of something whole grain daily is ok...and does not think anyone needs the food pyramid allottment.

Thanks again everyone and I hope you all reach your goals!!
And Sandy...I saw a Colorado licence plate yesterday...they were a LONG way from home! lol

sparky1946
11-13-2010, 05:30 PM
But thanks for saying good-bye. Please let us know down the road what you did and how it worked for you. I agree that you need to focus on one way of doing things. It is confusing enough as it is.

You will know soon if it works for you. You could even teach your trainer a thing or two. LOL

Good Luck!

sparky1946
11-13-2010, 08:55 PM
2 Week Carb Challenge
Total Carbs - Net Carbs - Average
11/01 21 ...........14---------14
11/02 20 ...........14---------14
11/03 76 ...........59---------29
11/04 88 ...........71---------40
11/05 15 .............9---------29
11/06 15 ...........13---------30
11/07 24............19---------28
11/08 26............18---------27
11/09 32............19---------26
11/10 17............10---------24
11/11 25............15---------23
11/12 29............20---------23
11/13 38............19---------23
11/14

One more day, doesn't look like I will make it down to 20 average or 149 :(.
I pretty much just cleared the bloat from Vegas. Good enough...

sparky1946
11-14-2010, 07:51 PM
I am going to make a primal stuffing for T Day though, it is made with coconut flour muffins, and has leeks and prochitto. And I am making a flour free chocolate cake (like truffles almost)

Are these secret recipes or can you share? My daughter was over today and mentioned "probably no stuffing these year right?" I will make a almond flour crust pumpkin pie (have yet to find a recipe) and maybe an apple one as well.
I thought the chocolate cake sounded intriguing.

sparky1946
11-14-2010, 08:04 PM
2 Week Carb Challenge
Total Carbs - Net Carbs - Average
11/01 21 ...........14---------14
11/02 20 ...........14---------14
11/03 76 ...........59---------29
11/04 88 ...........71---------40
11/05 15 .............9---------29
11/06 15 ...........13---------30
11/07 24............19---------28
11/08 26............18---------27
11/09 32............19---------26
11/10 17............10---------24
11/11 25............15---------23
11/12 29............20---------23
11/13 38............19---------23
11/14 30............18---------22

sparky1946
11-15-2010, 07:51 AM
This 20 net carb challenge did not produce results like the last time which was twice as much weight loss (4+ as opposed to 2+ in a two week period).

What was different? We have had a cold spell and I am a whimp and do not like cold, rain and wet dogs. So I have not been walking daily.

I am writing this at 4:45 am this morning and am getting mentally ready to pick my daughter up at 5:45 to go to the gym. Yes, I am going to the gym: to bike, to row, and to walk. For some reason, my knees hate the elliptical although that machine is supposed to be for people with bad knees, who can't tolerate the treadmill.

We are going so early 'cause my daughter has to be back to get kiddies off to school and then she is home with the youngest.

I don't know how long this is going to last. I hate getting up and going out in the cold, and dark. I will probably not get a whole lot of sympathy from you Canadians. LOL

CJZee
11-15-2010, 09:40 AM
For some reason, my knees hate the elliptical although that machine is supposed to be for people with bad knees, who can't tolerate the treadmill.

Hi Sandy -- you're right about the elliptical. It is the only machine that bothers my knees (and I don't have bad knees to my knowledge). I refuse to do it even though everyone says it's easier on the knees. At my age, I KNOW what I feel!

One machine that no one ever mentions is my favorite for cardio -- the rowing machine. I also feel like it works my legs, back, arms and shoulders all together. Also, I don't have to worry about falling as I was in a car accident a few years back that injured my back and one leg and sometimes the leg gives out with no notice (which is NOT good when you're on a treadmill!)

I think you did well on your challenge. I did okay on mine (new higher carb diet to try and get cholesterol down) but have just stayed steady with the weight. I did have my doctor appt. with the "new" doctor about the "new" diet and will report later in the week as I'm headed off to Florida tomorrow and have tons to get ready today.

Happiness to all!

Ilene
11-15-2010, 09:50 AM
:bravo: Sandy, you did very well on your challenge 2lbs is better than nothing, like me.... :lol: @ Sandy, you're right :nono: sympathies here, eh?... But you can and will get used to getting up early, you also need to go to bed early but once you get used to it you'll love it... It could take a few months though, so hang in there...

Sandy the elliptical, and CJ the rowing machine, believe it or not, bother my knees too, but running doesn't, go figure... It has something to do with how your patella/knee cap glides and how strong or not, your quadricep muscles are... My daughter had Patella Femoral Syndrome and after reading up on it I found out that I had it a bit too... Sandy, WEIGHT TRAINING ;) the quads with leg extensions and curls, squats, lunges etc., help with this problem...

I had to suck it up yesterday and go running alone... One client is sick with GERD and coughs all the time the other hurt her back :shrug: ... It was nice though, I was able to go at my pace rather than theirs and my 5k was pretty good time for me, 40:00... In the afternoon I took DD to the gym she has started going to her school gym and getting in shape and wanting to lose weight, we had a really good time, great bonding...

Oh, but I ate awful this weekend along with wayyyyyy too much wine!! I'm really angry with myself this morning :tantrum: I guess when you play you pay :frypan:

Have a good day ladies and lets be careful out there :wave:

sparky1946
11-15-2010, 11:13 AM
Ok Now to drive Ilene crazy, I have discovered a Slow Burn workout (Fred Hahn) that I am putting together for when I hit 145. You do a series of machines once a week (or divide the machines in half/thirds and do twice or more times a week). You do every exercise to failure, and go veryyyyyyy slowwwwly. Three seconds to move the first inch etc.

I thought this would be a good way to ease into the weights. In the past, I have overdone it and quit when things got too heavy. I have no patience. So I thought if I used a program that's main rule was to lift to failure just enough sets to about 1 1/2 minutes going very slowly, that maybe this method would calm me down. Obviously the first few times I will just be figuring out what the proper weight is for each machine. We shall see....

I will be measuring the old bod this week. Will update when I do.

CJZee
11-15-2010, 12:22 PM
There is a fascinating discussion going on at Heartwire.org about low-carb diets. The article itself is slanted against low-carb (see Dr. Eades blogpost on this), but the comments are mostly from physicians and Ph.D's (even Gary Taubes), with a sprinkling of people who have diabetes thrown in.

I like this discussion because it pits knowledgeable, educated low-carbers against those who are not and provides both some enlightenment and continuing mystery into the whole thing.

http://www.theheart.org/article/1137677.do

sparky1946
11-15-2010, 12:55 PM
Dunbar stresses: "We do not recommend an Atkins type low-carb diet because of the concerns about the impact of that fat load on heart health."

It looks like Ms. Dunbar could use a little low-carb herself.....

Interesting article.

I eat, I test, I eliminate or incorporate a food based on MY BG reaction.

Mikkijoe
11-15-2010, 01:20 PM
Are these secret recipes or can you share? My daughter was over today and mentioned "probably no stuffing these year right?" I will make a almond flour crust pumpkin pie (have yet to find a recipe) and maybe an apple one as well.
I thought the chocolate cake sounded intriguing.



I found this blog (http://http://stuffimakemyhusband.blogspot.com), from the MDA site, she has some great recipes.
For the Flourless choc cake, it does have sugar, but in all honesty, for me flour is worse for my body then some occational sugar. I will dig up that recipe if anyone wants it, it is a heavy, rich choc cake made in a spring form pan, great for chocolate lovers, kinda like a truffle filling!

Mikkijoe
11-15-2010, 01:25 PM
Veal stew last night was great
Browned beef pieces, added onion garlic, chopped carrots and parsnips. Pushed that to the sides and browned 1 sm can tomato paste in the middle of the pan, cooked it aout 2-3 minutes. Added 2 cups beef broth. And 1 can diced tomates, 1 TBL basil (wanted tarragon) and 2 bay leaves, simmered for 3 hours. Then added 2 cans green beans and one bag petite peas. Pulled out 2 ladels of the broth (it was more like a gravy) and added 1 pint sour cream to that, once it was blended with the hot broth I added it all to the pan. WOW it was great! Very filling, rich, YUM

sparky1946
11-15-2010, 03:08 PM
Found it, MikkiJoe. Thanks for another great link. I think I will be trying many of her recipes.

I would love the chocolate cake recipe. I have been using coconut sugar (supposedly low glycemic) and my dh is liking it. His blood sugar has not risen after eating it on his oat bran cereal, which is kinda blood raising on it's own. It looks and tastes like brown sugar.

wildviolets
11-15-2010, 06:08 PM
Mikkijoe, that veal stew sounds delish!!!!!

walking2lose
11-15-2010, 07:04 PM
I crave the Red Lobster version of Shrimp Scampi. In fact the last time I went to the local Red Lobster, for an all you can eat shrimp fest, the other stuff tasted blah (this was before Primal), but the Scampi was great. Does anyone know how they season it? I have had scampi other places and it just doesn't taste the same...

My shrimp recipe turned out really good, but if you ever find a version of the Red Lobster scampi, I'd love to have it. I love shrimp scampi but have never made it.

walking2lose
11-15-2010, 07:08 PM
Mikki - I would love the "stuffing" recipe -- Thanksgiving is going to be tough for me, as it's my favorite meal... I LOVE the mashed potatoes, stuffing, cranberries, and of course, the durned pies.

I need to get a holiday strategy in place and making some mock/low carb versions of my faves would probably help a lot.

I just ate a ton of macademia nuts... yum, but I overdid it.

Mikkijoe
11-15-2010, 07:27 PM
Mikki - I would love the "stuffing" recipe -- Thanksgiving is going to be tough for me, as it's my favorite meal... I LOVE the mashed potatoes, stuffing, cranberries, and of course, the durned pies.

I need to get a holiday strategy in place and making some mock/low carb versions of my faves would probably help a lot.

I just ate a ton of macademia nuts... yum, but I overdid it.

Here (http://stuffimakemyhusband.blogspot.com/2010/09/low-carb-stuffing-seriously.html) is that specific recipe, but her whole site has some great stuff

PLUS, here is another fantastic site (http://www.primal-palate.com/) with a PDF primal Thanksgiving booklet you can print out for free!

sparky1946
11-15-2010, 08:29 PM
You're the BOMB!!!

sparky1946
11-16-2010, 07:37 AM
Went to the gym with DD yesterday at 5:45 am. Actually felt very good. She can only be there about 50 minutes, I felt like I could go longer. Usually the minute I get in there, I can't wait to leave... do not enjoy working out when I first start. Then I overdo it three to four weeks in. I do not lead a balance life. Can't figure out how to do that, never could.

Kiddies wear me out when they are all here after school. I get them supper and then wait to eat after they are picked up at 6pm. This is just Mondays.
Then I want WINE!

With the help of MikkiJoe, I am planning Thanksgiving. It occurs to me that the idea of stuffing myself even just one day has absolutely no appeal. Where in the heck did we get the idea that this was good. We stuff ourselves and then spend the next few days trying to recover from the bloat and weight gain. I realize that it is a reason for families to get together. I decided that am going to have a much pared down version of the traditional.

Turkey
Mashed something either potato substitutes like rutabages/turnips/parsnips or cauliflower.
green bean casserole with all primal ingredients including the onion rings
sweet potatoes primal
real cranberry sauce with coconut sugar
pumpkin pie with almond crust
cream gravy and primal biscuits

My turkey is pastured and huge and somehow I am going to have to brine it, maybe in the bathtub?? Just kidding...

My husband also bought some russet potatoes before he was really committed to primal and I will mash those up, for the folks that gag at the thought of mashed cauliflower, just to use them up.

Speaking of DH. The man is off donuts and pastries and anything wheat. He is also experimenting with eliminating dairy for a couple of weeks to see if he can get some more tummy reduction. He took off his pants without unbuckling or unbelting Sunday. I told him, it is time for new britches. I cannot believe that he did it. He has such a sweet tooth. He goes to the frig and grabs a slice of meat and a romaine leaf for a snack, instead of a cookie or muffin or piece of pie. Whoever said, set an example and your DH will come around, was right. I would not have wagered any money on it at the time.

wildviolets
11-16-2010, 08:38 AM
Sandy, what is the coconut sugar? Can you tell me the brand name? Is good/healthy/safe? I use splenda and stevi to cook some things and I'm worried about it. I've heard erithrytol was a possibility.

However I know it would be best to not do anything at all and I'm working toward this......

Ilene
11-16-2010, 09:48 AM
Went to the gym with DD yesterday at 5:45 am. Actually felt very good. She can only be there about 50 minutes, I felt like I could go longer. Tol' ya!! :lol: .... 50 minutes is more than enough time at the gym!! YAY for going :carrot: When's the next time?

Ilene
11-16-2010, 09:49 AM
Sandy -- :bravo: @ your DH ...

wildviolets
11-16-2010, 10:06 AM
Any thoughts on fermented foods? I've been having a tough time the last few weeks with stomach and headache/sinus problems. I dont' know if it's an food allergy or I just have gut problems.

I was thinking of trying some fermented food but I think I will have to buy them online.

Any suggestions?

sparky1946
11-16-2010, 10:28 AM
until after Thanksgiving LOL

Sandy, what is the coconut sugar? Can you tell me the brand name? Is good/healthy/safe? I use splenda and stevi to cook some things and I'm worried about it. I've heard erithrytol was a possibility.

However I know it would be best to not do anything at all and I'm working toward this......

Remember when Splenda was supposed to be great....couldn't even get in the US until way after Canada. So who knows if this stuff will be OK next year.

oops forgot the link http://www.coconutsecret.com/

sparky1946
11-16-2010, 10:37 AM
Tol' ya!! :lol: .... 50 minutes is more than enough time at the gym!! YAY for going :carrot: When's the next time?

Actually today same time, same duration. Felt like I could've gone another 10 minutes on the treadmill at least but DH had her monthly visitor and felt wuzzy.

I would really rather go by myself but she seems to need me to go with. I am not into the buddy system (except here :) ). I like to react to how my body is feeling and adjust accordingly. I hate going with the husband who wanders around and rests too long between heavy lifting. He could be there 2 hrs or more. I want to get in and leave when my body says so.

Am I grouchy?

sparky1946
11-16-2010, 10:41 AM
And oh by the way, Ilene, I gained a pound this am........

sparky1946
11-16-2010, 11:18 AM
Just listened to a Robb Wolf podcast where he mentioned coconut secret sugar.
He said that it looks like it's mostly inulin and legit but it is still a processed food and one should not go crazy with it.

Good enough for me for now. I will just use it to make special occasion things.

sparky1946
11-16-2010, 11:22 AM
Speaking of fermented foods. We get raw milk weekly and DH is the biggest user. I never seem to be able to spare the carbs. So we have about a half-gallon that is not sour because raw milk doesn't really sour. I found a recipe for homemade yogurt using the crockpot that I am going to try. It said it was fine to use sour milk.

So we shall see....

Ilene
11-16-2010, 12:14 PM
And oh by the way, Ilene, I gained a pound this am........ That is only temporary, when you first start working out your muscles retain water... Actually it isn't temporary because I still am up a pound or two the day after an intense leg workout... BUT it's only water retention... I will convert you :soap:

Mikkijoe
11-16-2010, 12:49 PM
Coconut Crystals (sugar) is also available at Tropical Traditions, and theyshould have another free shipping day soo, make sure to sign up for their newsletter, seems they have it twice a month and give you just a days notice

Mikkijoe
11-16-2010, 12:51 PM
I am so flat lined.......plataeu as some people call it, but I struggle so much as spelling that word I just make up my own title!

SO I think I am going to have to tweek something, maybe go back to calorie counting? I dont know, mnot going to go off the plan, just tweeking, been at this weight for 5 weeks now

sparky1946
11-16-2010, 03:54 PM
MJ,

I was listening to Robb Wolf on the treadmill this morning and he commented that a certain population of folks have an insulin response when they look at a sugary carb, and some have the response when using sugar-free sweeteners.

He sighted a study where runners when they hit the wall, were given either a little water or a little water with artificial sweetener. The last group was able to go on, the water only group was not. The last group's body response to the no carb/calorie was like they were given a little glucose.

So I think that our bodies compensate in ways that we have not come to understand completely. My opinion is that you are just too good of a cook. :) How about your daughter and husband. Are they stalled as well?

Mahalia
11-16-2010, 04:48 PM
Sandy - You and I were on the treadmill listening to the same podcast! How weird is that! I love listening to Robb's podcast when I'm walking or working out.

Wildviolets - That's funny, I get stomach and sinus/headache problems, too. I lost some weight, but was feeling terrible, which got me started looking into nutrition solutions, and here to Paleo. I've heard recently (Livin' La Vida Low Carb podcast, Titlebaum) that yeast may be connected to IBS and sinus problems. The doctor I was listening to said that if you have sinus problems chronically (I do) you probably have yeast. He said the same thing about IBS. Since I have both, I figure this diet will help. I switched from wine to vodka (at a conference and doing lots of networking) and it helped my sinus. But it's still there a little. I bought some yeast fighting supplements and am going to see if that helps.

My weight loss is still stalled, but I do feel great. I'm going to cut out nuts for a week and see how I do. I cut back on the wine, as we discussed, but still hanging out here around 163. Not a bad place to be, but I would like to get leaner.

I'm thinking about making the bread-free stuffing on MDA. Has anyone tried it?

Mikkijoe
11-16-2010, 04:51 PM
WOW, newsflash...this just in

If you kick your shoes off while sitting at your desk, everyday, and put them in front of the heater your feet will dry out so bad that the skin is flaking off, looks like a week after a bad sunburn on the bottom of my feet, and yet my shoes are off and my feet are 10 inches in front of the heater AGAIN

I am such a dumb stubborn boob at times!


Husb and daughter: daughter slowed way down, husb too many cheats to tell. We need to shake it up a bit, I did notice that when I had cheat days I would have a day or two of bloat but never gained weight, always went right back down, Wonder if I just watched the calories and upped the carbs a little if it would start coming back off, I am at a weight right now that I spent years at, so my body is STUCK and I am going to kick it in gear one way or another

I already cut way back on the dairy. But I think I need to go back to having 3-4 big salads a week mixed in for dinners or lunches, I was doing that and have not been lateley and that is the only huge thing that is different.
I also need to think about the caffine. I am getting hot flashes, and should not be premenpausal. I wonder if I am getting sensitive to caffine, I do drink 6 shot americanos, which is enough to kill some horses but not this stubborn donkey!

Mikkijoe
11-16-2010, 04:57 PM
MJ,

I was listening to Robb Wolf on the treadmill this morning and he commented that a certain population of folks have an insulin response when they look at a sugary carb, and some have the response when using sugar-free sweeteners.

He sighted a study where runners when they hit the wall, were given either a little water or a little water with artificial sweetener. The last group was able to go on, the water only group was not. The last group's body response to the no carb/calorie was like they were given a little glucose.

So I think that our bodies compensate in ways that we have not come to understand completely. My opinion is that you are just too good of a cook. :) How about your daughter and husband. Are they stalled as well?

They are both using 6 splendas in their americanos, I take mine plain. We do have the SO Delicsious coconut milk now and then (2 times a week) that has a little sugar in it, but for me I dont have any artificial sweetners. I wonder if it is holding up Mikaela (daughter) AARRRGGG I just want the formula! and a guarentee that it wont change!

sparky1946
11-16-2010, 05:28 PM
I did notice that when I had cheat days I would have a day or two of bloat but never gained weight, always went right back down, Wonder if I just watched the calories and upped the carbs a little if it would start coming back off, I am at a weight right now that I spent years at, so my body is STUCK and I am going to kick it in gear one way or another



Sounds like you've got one heck of a set-point. I am also at the weight where I quit and start cheating again, 'cause I get so stuck.

The book about resetting your set-point said to stay at a point for 6 months and then begin to "diet" again. Lose another 10% or so and then hold and 6 months later do it again. Which would drive me nuts but I guess the point is, it is darn hard to get past set-points.

I will be cheering for both of us. I decided to get to the gym and not miss my daily workout. I also think your idea of more salads could help me as well. I don't think of salads when the weather turns colder.

Go get 'em.....

sparky1946
11-17-2010, 08:58 AM
Have been upping my carbs a little the last few days. Coming off the challenge, I think I need to mix things up a little so that I can jump start the weight loss again. I seem to have trouble in the low tens of weight. Low 170s, low 160s and now low 150s. Probably psychological... just can't let go. If I get too slim, my husband might start chasing me around the room again. Yikes!

I have always had cellulite on my thighs, very jiggling. Even when I weighed 110, my thighs were not tight, never have been. I realize that I put on weight differently (waist) than when I was younger but I think I am looking at smaller, tighter thighs.... Could it be possible that I will finally have the legs I've dreamed about when I hit goal at age 65?? Wowsa....

Ilene
11-17-2010, 09:41 AM
Dear Sparky,

Start doing any and all variations of lunges, squats, step ups, and your legs will see improvement :yes: ...
Sincerely, your on-line virtual personal trainer :strong:

:rofl:

sparky1946
11-17-2010, 09:57 AM
8/9 measurements

Chest...........................42
Waist...........................41
Hips/belly......................43.5
Thigh...........................26.5

11/17 measurements

Chest...........................40
Waist...........................34
Hips/belly......................40.5
Thigh...........................23.5

My 10/11 measurement for my belly/hip was actually an inch less at 39.5. Could have been a measuring error or the addition of carbs the last few days may have bloated me a smidgen.

Like I said earlier, I am most pleased with the 3 inch reduction in my thighs. I still have a lot of fat there so the improvement will be huge when I hit goal.

sparky1946
11-17-2010, 12:06 PM
Dear Sparky,

Start doing any and all variations of lunges, squats, step ups, and your legs will see improvement :yes: ...
Sincerely, your on-line virtual personal trainer :strong:

:rofl:


Remember, I am the old lady that has to hang onto grocery store shelves to get up from a lower shelf procurement. Bike, treadmill, rower, 145, weights. I do not believe that a lunge will ever be in my future, too wobbly, unless there is a machine assisted thingy at the gym...

By the way, Personal Trainer Ilene, my gym does not have a neck machine. Is there some reason, like "they" determined it is dangerous and do not want the liability kind of thing. What could I do instead? I bought one of those gadgets that you put under your chin and open and close your mouth and the back of my neck aches a little when I am done.

Mikkijoe
11-17-2010, 02:01 PM
holy crap, look at the waist difference! all I can say is HOLY CRAP

So let me tell you abut my Christmas tradition. In past years I have shopped early, and done the black friday shopping and been done before Dec 1 (I only shop for my family of 4, no one else) BUT practially every year I do that I find myself getting into the holiday spirit during the week before Christmas and I shop AGAIN!

Keep that in mind, do you see a pattern here?

I planned out what I was making for my portion of the T Day dinner, gluten free dressing, flourless cake, and blueberry/coconut milk ice cream (100% primal)
Now that it is closer to the DAY, I am debating in my head, I have a recipe for brown sugar pie, carmel nut tart, pumpkin cheesecake, chocolate coconut cake, carrot cake........let me tell ya the list goes on and ON!

My brain gets the best of me!

sparky1946
11-17-2010, 05:06 PM
holy crap, look at the waist difference! all I can say is HOLY CRAP



My actual biggest waist measurement was a couple weeks before I started Primal and keeping track. 43.5" at the doctors office. Talk about carb bloat. So 34" from 43.5 is a 9.5 inch loss. Also, I have measured as low as 33.5 recently. Again the carb refeed the last couple days really demonstrates the belly busting nature of this diet. Beer belly really is wheat belly.

Ilene
11-17-2010, 07:24 PM
Sparky, you need to start with modified lunges (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bH_kffTtIo) and modified squats (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xZ9fxz8Ul4) to start off... these will make your legs stronger... and work yourself up from there...
What is the neck machine you're talking about?

Where are your waist measurements? :doh: I don't remember seeing that...

Mikkie, I used to do the same with shopping :yes: not cooking though... Hang in there and stick with your healthy versions ...

sparky1946
11-17-2010, 07:42 PM
Ilene: Sparky, you need to start with modified lunges (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bH_kffTtIo) and modified squats (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xZ9fxz8Ul4) to start off... these will make your legs stronger... and work yourself up from there... I could do these...

What is the neck machine you're talking about?

Like this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM249PLmjGQ&feature=player_embedded

Where are your waste measurements? :doh: I don't remember seeing that...:Ilene

Up above...

Mikkijoe
11-17-2010, 08:26 PM
Here is the flourless cake recipe!

Chocolate Cracked Earth

1 lb bittersweet or good dark chocolate, chopped
1/2 cup butter
9 eggs seperated
3/4 c sugar
Peppermint, raspberry, rum or almond extract optional

2 cups heavy cream, very cold--whipped for serving

350 degrees, 9 " springform pan, buttered well

Melt butter, remove from heat, add chocolate and stir till smooth
In seperate bowl wish edd yolks with sugar until light yellow and creamy
Add small amount of chocolate to eggs, tempure, add rest of chocolate. (add extract at this point if you choose to use it)
Beat Egg whites in seperate bowl until soft peaks form, fold this into chocolate mixture

Pour into pan, smooth top
Bake 30-35 minutes, top will be cracked, you can insert a toothpick in the middle and there will be moist crumbs clinging to it.

Rest at least 10 minutes before you remove the sides

Serve with whipped cream on the side. Can also garnish with fresh berries, warmed caramel, or warmed marmelade

Ilene
11-17-2010, 10:33 PM
Now how did I miss those measurements?! Those are great Sparky :bravo:

I'm happy to hear that you could do those squats and lunges :D

Do you have a problem with your neck? Is this why you want to use that machine or that contraption you have? Just wondering...
Here's my 2 cents on that machine:
That neck machine, I've seen it in our gym a very long time ago, they don't have it anymore, the only ones using it at the time were the heavy duty body builders... I really don't think it's necessary to isolate the neck muscles for the average person who is just looking to get in better shape IMHO... Unless it's an exercise recommended by your doctor or physio therapist to strengthen a certain muscle... Like I said just my opinion, but I think it's better to do compound exercises, exercises that work many muscles at the same time, like lunges and squats.

Well I've had a good day... I have a new job for 2 hours in the afternoon now, hall monitor... So I walk the school halls for 2 hours, it's long and boring but it's a bit of extra moola which is nice. So my job is mainly walking and making sure the kids are in class or where they are supposed to be... Anywoo, I take the steps 2 at a time and walk fast-ish, not speed walking, but fast enough, I'm hoping this will help kick in the weight loss a bit... I also went to the gym and did some dreadmill :lol: and stationary bike... Plus I ate well, not sure of the calories but the only carbs I had were veggies and an orange...

Ilene
11-17-2010, 10:34 PM
Mikkie, that cake looks really good :hun:

sparky1946
11-18-2010, 08:27 AM
Ilene,

I have a little problem with my neck as does my husband. He has disc problems, I just get an ache when I am in front of the computer very long. So I was looking to maybe strengthen it a little. The contraption is for the flab under my chin. Would like to avoid a face lift not that I have any money for that.

The first Slow Burn gym exercise is that neck machine and I just wondered if many gyms had outlawed for some reason.

Oh the cake...... thanks MJ

Ilene
11-18-2010, 09:16 AM
Sandy, I'b be leary of that neck machine and the contraption, specially if it give you a sore neck... Just plain old fashions neck rolls and stretching after being at the computer for a long time would be a better bet IMO... As for your husband's disc problem , I would not do anything unless authorised by a doctor or physio therapist ...

The scale was nice this morning down a coupla pounds :goodscale:

sparky1946
11-18-2010, 12:04 PM
Okie, Dokie, Coach

Ilene
11-18-2010, 04:02 PM
You're so cute! :lol:

CJZee
11-18-2010, 05:41 PM
Hi everyone!

I've been traveling and am now back in Florida for a few weeks. I meant to report on my doctor appointment and the results of my "new" diet. In case you don't remember (and why would you?) the doctor wanted to try and reduce my LDL and overall cholesterol even though my HDL and triglycerides are really good.

He cut a lot of fat out of my diet by requiring low-fat meats (ie skinless chicken breast, arghgh) and fish. I had not been particularly trying to eat a lot of fat previously, but just eating paleo ended up at around 50-60% most days. The "new" diet also had me eating oatmeal/oat bran for breakfast, no fat yogurt and cottage cheese, two fruits a day (including at least one apple or one pear), a square of 85% chocolate and 10-15 almonds.

I ended up just staying flat with the weight, but was anxious to see if my cholesterol had improved. The worst thing about his diet was that it caused a resurgence in acid reflux. I had gotten off all acid reflux medication (Prevacid and then omprezole) about a year previously with the paleo diet. I was really worried that I might start being really hungry all the time but that did not happen -- probably because it was still pretty low in carbs.

You won't believe what happened. I go into my appointment fasting, as I was expecting him to order cholesterol blood tests. I had, by that time, been on his diet for nearly 2 months.

He's looking at his computer, reviewing my old bloodwork that we had reviewed when I was there two months ago ... well, I see your HDL is 71, that's really good. And your triglycerides are really low (I think they were 64 or 67). So your LDL of 130 is probably genetic and my diet probably wouldn't make much of a difference.

Yup ... I just spent 2 months on a diet I don't like just to hear him say what I told him when I started it. I am not a shy person. I was quite clear when we discussed the change in diet that I was not in favor of it unless it would have a good shot at lowering my cholesterol.

So ... he is going to give me a powdered proprietary blend of red yeast rice and phytosterols to take twice a day which is part of a clinical trial he is doing. I'm going to give that a shot but going back to paleo. So, bottom line, I have no clue as to whether the changed diet resulted in a better lipid profile and now I guess I'll never know.

BTW, just saw the following article about how fats get a bad rap at an ADA Symposium. They still don't like sat fats, but still, it's amazing that fat is no longer the whipping boy it once was. Here is the link. (http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Science-Nutrition/Low-fat-diets-could-increase-heart-disease-risk-say-nutrition-experts/?c=SctQqJo4SyGpYeUcirmgGg%3D%3D&utm_source=newsletter_daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Newsletter%2BDaily)

sparky1946
11-18-2010, 07:00 PM
I don't believe it. Doesn't it just drive you nuts? Did you say anything to him? Like what the heck? Or were you like me and just smile and say "oh, you are so brilliant... sigh..." that's what I did when the guy forgot about all that was recommended the prior visit and told me to keep doing what I was doing. I was supposed to be thinking about a medicinal option. No mention of it. "you're doing great!"

I would really check into the concoction he is giving you, for "his" study. It reminds me when I went to the dentist in the 90s. The guy says "you have periodontal disease". I said "Oh, that's a shame, I was interested in veneers". That was the last I heard about periodontal disease and he did a ****ty job on my veneers. No dentist since has mentioned PD either.

Ilene
11-18-2010, 10:17 PM
Doctors don't remember people from one appointment to the other sometimes sheesh :rolleyes:

CJZee
11-18-2010, 10:25 PM
I don't believe it. Doesn't it just drive you nuts? Did you say anything to him? Like what the heck? Or were you like me and just smile and say "oh, you are so brilliant... sigh..." that's what I did when the guy forgot about all that was recommended the prior visit and told me to keep doing what I was doing. I was supposed to be thinking about a medicinal option. No mention of it. "you're doing great!"

I would really check into the concoction he is giving you, for "his" study. It reminds me when I went to the dentist in the 90s. The guy says "you have periodontal disease". I said "Oh, that's a shame, I was interested in veneers". That was the last I heard about periodontal disease and he did a ****ty job on my veneers. No dentist since has mentioned PD either.
I did tell him I preferred my paleo diet, and he got a little cross and said his diet probably helped some with the cholesterol, although who knows since he put the blood tests off until I'm a month into this supplement he has. Normally I would have been more firm but I wanted to get some of this concoction to see if it will help.

Also, knowing myself and with the acid reflux coming back I knew I wasn't going to stay on his diet for the long term anyway. So, I thought to myself, "CJ, do you want to get some of this stuff or do you want to p*ss him off, it's one or the other." It's sad but true that we have to make choices like this sometimes.

CJZee
11-18-2010, 10:28 PM
Doctors don't remember people from one appointment to the other sometimes sheesh :rolleyes:

You know, Ilene, I understand that doctors see a lot of people and can't remember everyone's particulars. But I was *crystal* clear when I first met with him that I was happy with my existing diet and had no interest in changing it unless it might lower my LDL cholesterol.

So why on earth would he put me on this diet and then negate the whole thing 7 weeks later?

sparky1946
11-18-2010, 10:41 PM
Ilene,

My physical therapist daughter said the same thing about doctors not remembering people. But they are prescribing life altering changes. Sometimes medicine, sometimes diet. If they cannot take the time to write notes in your chart, how can we trust them to recommend based on a thorough knowledge of the patient.

From now on, I go to the doctor only to get tests done that I WILL INTERPRET. I take nothing, until I DO THE RESEARCH.

I am sorry but I get so mad.....

TinyDancer
11-19-2010, 06:46 AM
Hi Guys --

I've been reading your threads this week after hearing about Primal Blueprint. I've ordered the book and am waiting for its arrival but in the meantime I'm trying to veer low carb.

About three years ago I lost about 30 lbs of post-chemo weight doing South Beach and have been able to maintain this loss and at times even get within 5 lbs of my final goal. But then my sweetaholic tendencies take over.

I am unable to moderate when it comes to candy and ice cream and pastries. Once I get a taste I have to keep going until I am sick. Been this way since I was a kid.

I am hoping with your support I can finally push through to my final goal and sort through all the skinny clothes I've kept all these years and decide which ones I want to keep and which ones are just way too passee. In a way hanging onto these outfits through all these years represents my promise to myself to get back to my thinner real self.

Primal Blueprint caught my eye when it was mentioned in the paper in connection with Chronic Cardio. I am a jogger and exerciser and often wonder why all the time I put into this doesn't always pay off. But I've been too afraid to stop for fear of what would happen.

Another thing I've seen mentioned here is daily weigh-ins and how crazy they can make you. I have deliberately stayed off the scale the past 3 weeks (post-Halloween) and when I finally got on yesterday it wasn't as bad as I was expecting. I can be on program one day and if it doesn't show the next day on the scales I can get so bummed out I almost can't help going off program.

Please wish me luck and help me see it through after so many false starts.

Thanks

Maria

sparky1946
11-19-2010, 07:50 AM
Welcome TinyDancer...

I am one of those that needs to step on the scale daily and measure my fasting blood glucose every morning and track every bite that goes into my mouth. But I am not nearly as close to goal as you are. All this is now a habit and keeps me going. As soon as I hit one ten-pound goal I am not satisfied and start looking at the next one. Maintenance is probably going to be hard for me, when I start backing off of this.

I have three months of a downward trend. I put the daily weights on a chart and can see the trend line which encourages me when I gain a couple. Charting carbs daily, lets me compare what I eat to the Blood Glucose level the next day.

We are all very different here on our approaches. Some posts on MDA state that they have no idea what they are doing wrong. I have a definite idea what I do, right and wrong. No kidding anyone, especially myself.

Good Luck to YOU!!

TinyDancer
11-19-2010, 09:29 AM
I appreciate your encouragement. I agree about the tracking but have a few questions...

What is MDA?

How do you find out your daily blood glucose levels?

I posted a picture to my profile but it doesn't display, maybe 'cause I'm a "Junior Member"?

Thanks,

Maria

TinyDancer
11-19-2010, 10:29 AM
Just realized I called you "Spanky" -- my step-daughter's email nickname:rollpin::rollpin:

sparky1946
11-19-2010, 10:41 AM
Just realized I called you "Spanky" -- my step-daughter's email nickname:rollpin::rollpin: There was/is another Spanky that visits the forum occasionally..

I appreciate your encouragement. I agree about the tracking but have a few questions...

What is MDA? marksdailyapple.com the author of Primal Blueprint

How do you find out your daily blood glucose levels? I had a pre-diabetes diagnoses in Sept. and bought a blood glucose meter. Freestyle Lite that does not really hurt (I am a big baby). I am doing preventative testing and find the lower the carbs the lower the reading. Not quite "normal" yet.

I posted a picture to my profile but it doesn't display, maybe 'cause I'm a "Junior Member"? Could be, I don't remember if I had the same issue.

Thanks,

Maria

CJZee
11-19-2010, 04:21 PM
I appreciate your encouragement. I agree about the tracking but have a few questions...

I posted a picture to my profile but it doesn't display, maybe 'cause I'm a "Junior Member"?Maria

Hi Maria and welcome -- I think you have to post your picture as your "avatar". Your picture actually does show up if you click your name, it's just hidden. CJ

CJZee
11-20-2010, 03:33 AM
A Healthy Skeptic blog post about intermittent fasting link here (http://chriskresser.com/blog/intermittent-fasting-cortisol-and-blood-sugar/). Bottom line, he thinks it can be good but does NOT recommend it for those with blood sugar issues.

sparky1946
11-20-2010, 08:29 AM
It amazes me to see all the stuff that is out there regarding this WOE. And we still cannot get our own thread :)

I have been reading a lot of posts on MDA. There is much good stuff there. Every once and a while, things get heated and weird.

3FC is a safe place for me. Even when I go off the deep end with "physician rage". I apologize for that. I think I might have driven our dear SusanB away, and I feel bad about that.

I will be working hard cleaning and cooking for Thanksgiving. I will be trying to balance Primal eaters with traditionalists and little kids.

I get stressed out about this stuff. Cannot write a check in public much less cook in front of people. I am one of those that absolutely do NOT want an open kitchen design that allows you to talk to your guests while you are cooking. I will burn things for sure with onlookers.

I also bought a huge turkey instead of my usual small turkey and then another meat as many folks do not like turkey. I have a free-range one and I guess I felt that it is such a good bird that all should partake.

Well off to cleaning. I have been at the gym each day this week and I think I will get my exercise in the next few days, cleaning. I usually do a fall clean around this time. I take advantage of this time to bag up stuff for Goodwill etc.

I am struggling with packing up my "too big" stuff. On the one hand, I have vowed never to be above 150 (140, 130). On the other hand, the last thing I want to do is spend money on bigger clothes 'cause I blew it and now weigh 175 again.

Is it a sign that I don't truly believe that I can do this, so I hang on to the big clothes?? What do you all do?

Ilene
11-20-2010, 01:47 PM
Sandy, I threw out my size 14 clothes about 5 years ago...kept the 12s, a while back I got rid of the 12s, kept the 10s, although the 8s are now very loose :D ... I am almost ready to get rid of the 10s for good... I can't wait for the 8s to be obsolete :D ...

Yesterday morning I didn't have time to measure my whole body because I was running late, so I measured just my waist, it is down to 28.5 :woohoo: ... I sure felt slim after that measurement... the scale still says 154 :frypan: but I'll go with the measurement for now ...

sparky1946
11-20-2010, 02:02 PM
You must just ripple with muscle. Do you know what your bodyfat % is?? If I had a 28.5 inch waist, I sure wouldn't weigh 154. I would probably be closer to 120. In fact, I will never get that low. I remember wanting the Marilyn Monroe, and Sophia Loren curves when I was young (I really wanted boobs), although I had already exceeded their waistlines.... I'm kinda square.

CJZee
11-20-2010, 03:24 PM
Is it a sign that I don't truly believe that I can do this, so I hang on to the big clothes?? What do you all do?

While I need to go through my closet again, I got rid of all my "too big" clothes about 4 or 5 months ago. In Key West, people just put usable stuff out on their sidewalk for anyone to take. (You can take it to the Salvation Army, but I figure if someone is willing to take clothes off the street, they must need them.)

I remember during the cleaning process I went through my closet a little each day (had to try on everything of course). Then I would drape a huge bunch of clothes out on my fence every day for about a week. And every day they were gone.

It was (and still is) amazing how many clothes I have. And I have nothing to wear, sigh. (How is this possible?) Today I am wearing a stretchy tank top that fits me well and a pair of linen shorts that are so big they poof out all over. The only reason they stay up is they have a stretchy waist (yup, I'm the Mom jeans kinda gal). I used to literally not be able to get into them and they will have to get draped over the fence soon.

I like to wear tank tops down here in Key West, but most of them have armholes that are too big. The problem is my arms aren't that big but I still need bigger tanks because of the boobs, thus the armhole issue.

Sandy, get rid of your too-big clothes. It signifies commitment and belief.

CJZee
11-20-2010, 03:27 PM
Sandy, I threw out my size 14 clothes about 5 years ago...kept the 12s, a while back I got rid of the 12s, kept the 10s, although the 8s are now very loose :D ... I am almost ready to get rid of the 10s for good... I can't wait for the 8s to be obsolete :D ...

Yesterday morning I didn't have time to measure my whole body because I was running late, so I measured just my waist, it is down to 28.5 :woohoo: ... I sure felt slim after that measurement... the scale still says 154 :frypan: but I'll go with the measurement for now ...

Wow! Ilene, that is just amazing! You must look soooooo good. Everyone keeps telling me I'm losing weight which I've been pretty static now for 2-3 months. I'm hoping the exercise is rearranging things some, as yours obviously has Wow again. CJ

sparky1946
11-20-2010, 07:18 PM
Hi CJ,

You're right on the clothes... I keep imagining myself as an 80 year-old bag lady with no clean clothes bemoaning the fact that I gave stuff away when I was younger.

Jeff and I want to go some place warmer this winter. We are not in the mood to spend money anywhere other than our own USA. Key West has always intrigued me. Could you recommend any modest resorts or is that an oximoron. We usually just like to sit in the sun and read or doze. Don't need or want anything fancy. Can you walk around the "town" or do you need a car. Isn't this the farthest island in the chain?

When we went to Rome, we stayed across the street from the Vatican and walked everywhere. Loved it...

Thanks

CJZee
11-20-2010, 11:05 PM
Jeff and I want to go some place warmer this winter. We are not in the mood to spend money anywhere other than our own USA. Key West has always intrigued me. Could you recommend any modest resorts or is that an oximoron. We usually just like to sit in the sun and read or doze. Don't need or want anything fancy. Can you walk around the "town" or do you need a car. Isn't this the farthest island in the chain?
Hi Sandy -- you definitely can easily walk around town. Most people stay in "Old Town" which is where most of the businesses and activities are. The whole island is only 2 miles wide x 4 miles long, and Old Town is only a part of that. We could meet! That would be fun :)

In regards to the hotels, I'm not the best person to ask. I think if you find something that looks good on the internet I can check it out. And I'll keep my ears open. CJ

Ilene
11-21-2010, 12:36 AM
Thanks girls for the encouraging works on my waist size :lol:... I don't consider myself being very muscular at all, much less rippling muscles... and have no idea what my BF% is... But I've always been told that I look strong and healthy which is a good thing, I guess...

Sandy, get rid of the fat clothes...As CJ said you'll feel more committed to your weight loss :yes: ...

srmb60
11-21-2010, 06:47 AM
Nobody's driven me anywhere Sandy. I'm just so freakin' boring!

I eat primally most of the time, walk to the post office, knit a little and work. Ho hum.
About the most exciting thing happening lately is the prep for our trip to Pan de Vida. Some of you will remember that we went two years ago. DH went last year. This February we're both going :)
We're into the letter writing and fund raising. Each day I go to facebook and look at pictures of the orphans and the school ... sigh ... I want to go now!!!
Hopefully it will be sunny and warm with a little hard work and lots of play.

CJZee
11-21-2010, 07:56 AM
Nobody's driven me anywhere Sandy. I'm just so freakin' boring!
But we miss you so.

About the most exciting thing happening lately is the prep for our trip to Pan de Vida. Some of you will remember that we went two years ago. DH went last year. This February we're both going :)
I looked up Pan de Vida, but it's all in Spanish. What it is? Do you speak Spanish? When are you going??? What will you be doing?

.

Ilene
11-21-2010, 11:31 AM
Hi Susan :wave: Miss you :hug:

Ho hum here too... nice bright sunny day though :D...

Marionm
11-21-2010, 10:21 PM
I've been lurking for a bit, but figured I might as well introduce myself. I'm Marion and I've been doing Ideal Protein fro about 20 weeks and had very good weight loss, but for a variety of reasons, I decided to transition off of it. I'm Svelting had mentioned Protein Power and I've been reading it and it sounds doable and not all that far from what I would expect to be doing after IP anyway.

I'm having a bit of a challenge letting go of my safety net and I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I still have 35-40 pounds to lose, but I feel like it's time to start making some normal choices. All I have done so far is add some different protein sources, including dairy and fat including avocados. I just can't convince myself to even think of trying fruit and I kind of think that grains are out of the question for me permanently, but we'll see.

I think the thing I'm having the hardest time with is going from my short little list of foods to what feels like a very broad list and not completely overwhelming myself. Anyone have any tips? Nearest I can tell, I'm usually eating about 50grams of carbs per day right now and they come from veggies or my protein bar.

I'm svelting!
11-21-2010, 11:12 PM
I'm having a bit of a challenge letting go of my safety net and I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I still have 35-40 pounds to lose, but I feel like it's time to start making some normal choices. All I have done so far is add some different protein sources, including dairy and fat including avocados. I just can't convince myself to even think of trying fruit and I kind of think that grains are out of the question for me permanently, but we'll see.

I think the thing I'm having the hardest time with is going from my short little list of foods to what feels like a very broad list and not completely overwhelming myself. Anyone have any tips? Nearest I can tell, I'm usually eating about 50grams of carbs per day right now and they come from veggies or my protein bar.
:wave: Hi Marion! Are you eating 3 meat/fish/fowl protein sources yet? If not, I'd recommend starting with that piece, as well as selecting more freely from the vegetables (leaves, stems, roots, fruits like zucchini and tomato). The basis of the Primal Blueprint is the vegetables and fruit. I'm loving having root vegetables (carrots, onions, parsnips, turnips, rutabaga) in addition to the leafy greens. And, avocados are now a regular item on my shopping list. :D

I don't know if you saw the post (Carla/showgirlaz) in the other forum this weekend suggesting adding foods back one every few days to see how your body reacts to them. I thought it was a good idea and will do that going forward with "new" foods.

Ilene
11-21-2010, 11:25 PM
:welcome: Marion...

sparky1946
11-22-2010, 08:56 AM
Marion,

One of the things I try to remember is "If you get hungry, you're not eating enough fat and protein." I understand that IP is very low fat? If so, that might be your biggest hurdle. Making that mental switch to the fact that good fats are not only allowed but desirable.

You do not want your cravings to come back. I see you are from Iowa, Kurt G. Harris MD (http://www.paleonu.com/get-started/) is in Iowa, somewhere. He is a proponent of Paleo and many read him.

Welcome and congratulations on your weight loss.

sparky1946
11-22-2010, 09:58 AM
srmb60,

I meant to ask you. Do you have any issues with being primal in Mexico? I know that true Mexican food is way different from our tacos and nachos, but I think they use a lot of corn flour (Masa?).

Marionm
11-22-2010, 11:06 AM
:welcome: Marion...
Thanks!

Marion,

One of the things I try to remember is "If you get hungry, you're not eating enough fat and protein." I understand that IP is very low fat? If so, that might be your biggest hurdle. Making that mental switch to the fact that good fats are not only allowed but desirable.

You do not want your cravings to come back. I see you are from Iowa, Kurt G. Harris MD (http://www.paleonu.com/get-started/) is in Iowa, somewhere. He is a proponent of Paleo and many read him.

Welcome and congratulations on your weight loss.

IP is very low fat though I did stop measuring oil that I cook with quite awhile ago. I had been craving avocados, olives and cheese. I knew the fat seemed a little low, but with the success I was having, I wasn't going to argue. It seems like a good time to start adding some good things to my diet. Too bad the avocados are kind of yucky right now!

Thanks for the info on Dr. Harris. I looked through it a bit and will do some more research a bit later.

Random questions.... I know some fruit is okay, but where do cherries fit on that scale? I am addicted to them, though I haven't had them since July. I have a lug of them in the freezer just waiting for me, but I haven't had any fruit yet.

Mahalia
11-22-2010, 12:07 PM
Hey folks,

I'm wondering if any of you have experience with weight training and weight gain on Paleo? I have been holding steady, eating pretty much whatever I want (As long as it's paleo). Three weeks ago I started strength training, and dropped my cardio a bit. I'm going to focus on building muscle for the winter.

I'm up about three pounds, and I've actually been MORE careful with nuts and cheese (I include full fat cheese, no milk). The weight has stayed on for over a week, so I don't think it's a fluke.

Does anyone have any experience with this? You can't gain muscle that fast.

srmb60
11-22-2010, 04:23 PM
Hi folks!
I don't think I'll be able to be very primal in Mexico. Natural? Yes. Mainly meat and fats? No. They rely very heavily on donated foods so we get what they've got. I really enjoyed the food when I was there.

We've become friendly with the caretaker and his wife who are from Nova Scotia. This is their blog.
http://irabobbimaxwell.xanga.com/
Pictures of our team can be found under the date Tuesday, 23 February 2010
We take guitars and strings and help with maintenance and repairs and renovations. We've done some landscaping work and septic.
If you scroll far enough you'll find a fellow helping some children build a cabinet. He's wearing a Blue Jay's hat ... that's my husband!
If you scroll all the way back to Sunday, 01 March 2009 ... I'm in there!

Ilene
11-22-2010, 05:10 PM
Mahalia, I weight train 3-4x/week regularly so I don't see that gain or fluctuation. Here are a couple of thoughts on your weight gain... It could be your muscles getting used to the workouts and are retaining water, my second thought is that it could be that you've gained scale weight but may have lost inches. Have you measured? Are your clothes fitting better? I know last week I measured my waist and it was down by 1.5 inches and the scale hadn't even moved. It's only been a week so I wouldn't worry about it too much ...

Mikkijoe
11-22-2010, 05:57 PM
Marion: As for Cherries they are perfectly fine. Berries are the best choice, Watermelon the worse (because of insulin reaction) but Cherries are closer to the top of the Glycemic List (the good part)

ALSO, Cherries help flush out the uric acid that you can start to retain from some protiens, and they have other great benefits.

sparky1946
11-22-2010, 06:02 PM
If you scroll all the way back to Sunday, 01 March 2009 ... I'm in there!

I scrolled...

Are you the one in the group shot next to the guy with a black Flyer jacket?

Mikkijoe
11-22-2010, 06:11 PM
Monday morning, I ahve a payroll deadline because of the holiday, and it is snowing like crazy.........errrrr, this makes me want a cheese burger...WITH the bread AND the fries.

But I wont

IF'ing until dinner, where we will have breakfast cassarole

OH wow, I can no longer see the road, and this is a major intersection with lots of traffic. This could add up quick (talking snow--for those of you not inside my head) It was only 13 degrees this morning and so the flakes were itty bitty and did not accumulate, but right now we are approaching the warmest part of the day and this could get ugly really quick.

I made soups all weekend, AND we had rolls with them,,, why? because I bought them, WHY? I have no idea. seems like hte more I think about the various holiday menu items the more I want to stray. NOT good

Having breakfast cassarole tonight

Anyone make Kale chips yet? I bought two bunches of that and thought we would do try it. Made brussel sprouts roasted with onion and bacon....fantastic!

Rambling....cant tell this snow storm makes me nervous!

Anyone ahve one of those Kurig coffee makers, think I am going to look into one, maybe...although I tend to be cheap,

MDA site: You're right Sparky, it does get crazy there some times, there is one particular person that goes off on everyone about once a week, and the rest of the time she complains how the program does now work for her and she is fat (she is a size 2 according to her posts---she clearly has some disorders) BUT having said all that, weed out her posts (Shrinking_Violet) and a few marketing trolls and it is a really good site for information!

sparky1946
11-22-2010, 06:43 PM
Oh Yeh,

I have read shrinking_violet... I even checked out her journal where she has posted oodles of pictures of herself in her underwear. She is scary looking. She actually writes saner than she looks. And she certainly is not obese or even overweight.

I was thinking of those members who are primal 100% plus and harangue others who may slip or choose to do 80/20 which really is the program especially for those who do not need to lose weight.

Hope you are safe driving home, MJ. I think the storm skipped over the mountains and went north of us. I do not like to be cold...

srmb60
11-23-2010, 06:14 AM
Yup, Sandy, that's me. That's me rolling primer onto the auditorium walls too. Charming little chubby wasn't I? This time I'll be 35 or 40 lbs lighter he he!
And no ... I don't speak Spanish. We're supposed to help the kids with their English, our conversations are pretty funny.

We've been very lucky around here. I've driven once in some sloppy stuff that didn't stick but no snow yet. In fact, I don't have my winter coat out yet.

sparky1946
11-23-2010, 11:19 AM
Susan,

I thought you had been at maintenance (your current weight) for years and you were just chiming in to help us. I didn't realize that you have lost the weight since 2009. Did you do it all on primal?

Ilene
11-23-2010, 12:21 PM
No snow here just cold, drizly and damp ... I dislike that type of weather more than snow, well maybe not :lol:, I don't like snow that much eiter, specially after Christmas...

CJZee
11-23-2010, 12:42 PM
It's 11:40 a.m. in Key West, 80º Fahrenheit :flow2: and I'm goin' to my outside water exercise class in about 5 minutes!

Ilene
11-23-2010, 12:46 PM
It's 11:40 a.m. in Key West, 80º Fahrenheit :flow2: and I'm goin' to my outside water exercise class in about 5 minutes!

I am soooo totally envious!!!

Mikkijoe
11-23-2010, 01:01 PM
White and 7 degrees....yup, nice way to start the morning. Hubs took me to work and Mikaela to school. Was leary of my son driving to work, but I guess he made it OK, no phone calls.

Sparky: personally I think Shrinking Violet is a male, I was wondering before by the pattern of outlashing and the wording, and then when I looked up the journal and saw the pictures I really think it has to be a guy to be that ugly! LOL oh I am mean

Feeling the bloat from eating wheat this last week, my jeans are snug at the waist where they used to be loose.

Just curious, how many of you take your own bag to the grocery store, and if you do what do you use? One of those store ones they sell, or something more custom? I am thinking of making them with my daughter, with very nice fabrics, maybe lined in plastic. But I know even if I got the fabric on sale they would get costly if I went to sell them, probably like close to $20 for a larger, lined bag in fashionable good quality fabric.

HERE (http://butterick.mccall.com/b5507-products-11219.php?page_id=380) is a picture of what I am thinking about, would love opinions!

Mikkijoe
11-23-2010, 01:02 PM
80 degrees.........THAT was MEAN!

sparky1946
11-23-2010, 01:31 PM
I have a bunch of totes that I have collected as give-aways at conferences, etc.
I usually buy too much and wind up using some plastic or paper, cause I didn't take enough.

I think your pattern is too nice LOL. I would buy that as a purse/travel bag.

My FBG was down to 82 this am???? I started using alcohol instead of just washing my hands. Could that make a difference?

Ilene
11-23-2010, 02:00 PM
Mikki, I agree with Sparky, those are way to pretty for groceries... I have about 4 of those bags, that I never use, I always forget them in the car :rolleyes: ... I need the plastic bags for the litter box so I don't feel bad buying them...

Sparky, your FBG is :crazy:

Mahalia
11-23-2010, 07:02 PM
Ilene-

Thanks, much. I haven't been dropping in size yet, but maybe am retaining muscle water. I hope it's only temporary!

Mikki-LIke Sparky i just collect bags from conferences. I do have a few nice one's that I bought from Trader Joe's. They are just the right size, and they clean up easily. We bought those on days we were there and had forgotten to bring one, so now we have a little collection.

srmb60
11-24-2010, 06:22 AM
Susan,

I thought you had been at maintenance (your current weight) for years and you were just chiming in to help us. I didn't realize that you have lost the weight since 2009. Did you do it all on primal?

I'm a terrible yo-yo-er. I first lost weight in 2004! My favourite has always been calorie counting. Lean proteins and things that grow. But PB is what's helped me get this low and stay here for months.
Details are kinda foggy this early in the morning but I think I was about 140 when I started PB, and much flabbier.
I was reading the weight lifters threads here. Kaw refered to some blogs, I read them and ordered the book.

sparky1946
11-24-2010, 08:13 AM
Interesting....

I am up fairly early myself this morning. Have a full day of cooking/cleaning. I have had 2-3 days of my painful tummy problem, onset of a bladder infection and I woke up this morning with a headache which I rarely get. This all is not conducive to cooking a huge Thanksgiving meal. I really am doing it for others and would like it to be just another primal day for me.

Also, hearing on the news today that there are about 17 million children in the US that are "food insecure" (hungry), makes a big meal really unattractive to me. I should have given the money I spent on the grass-fed/organic meal to "Save The Children".

I am hoping that all my symptoms have to do with my body dumping toxins from the flab that is melting away. My waist measured 33" this am. When my waist goes down, I start to have backaches 'cause the blub is not there to support my posture. Like after you have a baby...

I hope you all have a good Thanksgiving with your loved ones...

PS-I just remembered that the Canadians here have already had their Thanksgiving.

Mikkijoe
11-24-2010, 05:26 PM
Hey girls, hoping that if you are flying around the house trying to prepare for guests, or prepare to go elsewhere that the true spirit of the holidays finds you, and calms you. Its all about relationship, its not about how clean the toilet bowl is, or how moist the turkey is, what people remember for years is the stories told, the games played, and the time together with the people they love.

"Good" is good enough!

sparky1946
11-24-2010, 10:19 PM
Oh... MikkiJoe,

You are so right. Thanks for reminding me what is important.

You are the best!!!

CJZee
11-25-2010, 08:24 AM
Thank you all for your friendship. Happy Thanksgiving!

sparky1946
11-26-2010, 10:09 AM
Whew that was a lot of work....

But the primal food turned out pretty good. The Pumpkin Pave with Stevia was a bust. Very blah... The Apple Crisp with Coconut Secret crystals and the Sweet Potatoes with coconut sugar turned into keepers. I also made Biscuits with coconut flour that looked good but were missing something.

The Pastured free-range Turkey's little timer thing popped up 2 hours early!!
So I had to scramble to get the sides finished. Cranberries had stevia in them and they were good. Of course, we had mashed cauliflower with asaigo and chevre cheeses as well as regular mashed potatoes for others.

The gravy was the best I ever made, probably because I had time to chill the drippings and spoon off much of the grease. I thickened it with arrowstarch.

I ate one plate and was done. Just tasted the desserts.

Today we are taking the girls (7 and 5) to Tangled which I am excited to see. I love seeing the looks on their faces when they watch some of my old favorites like Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. Very politically incorrect but I survived these movies without becoming a threat to society.

Ilene
11-26-2010, 12:11 PM
Thank you Mikkie for the reminder :yes: ... Could you come back and repeat that same thing around Christmas time? Just as a refresher :lol:

Things are same ole, same ole here, hence not much posting from moi!

TTFN :wave:

sparky1946
11-28-2010, 08:48 AM
I have not been tracking for two days!!

Just so busy with leftovers, trying to turn not so primal leftover soup and stew into primal concoctions etc. Used sweet potato flour from Peru to make a roux. It appears to have worked with just a slight change in flavor.

My coconut secret sugar looks and tastes like brown sugar but doesn't dissolve or melt into foods like brown sugar.

I came to realize how we got ourselves into this refined predicament. Refining makes ingredients work better with regard to pastries, breads etc. We, as a nation, probably demanded the "pure" white sugars and flours. Ultra fine sugar? Pastry flour?

It tasted so good to get back to plain meat/fish and veggies yesterday. I craved a simple apple (can only eat one half at a setting).

I think we made a breakthrough with my SIL. It appears that he was not embracing good fat and protein. My daughter made him the pork chops in mushroom cream gravy last night and he just couldn't get over that this was OK. My 2 year-old grandson apparently stood at the kitchen half-door yelling "Bacon, more Bacon" yesterday. SIL still blames my daughter, that she is not "helping" him by prepping food. She has done that many times before just to find McDonald bags stuffed under the car seat. She doesn't believe that he will change. I try to help by making more and freezing a little for him. But it is good, expensive ingredients and I worry that the food will rot in his refrig at his office.

We waste almost nothing here. Food costs too much, and I hear tell it is probably going to get worse. I have even been making my almost sour raw milk into yogurt that DH thinks is the best he has ever tasted, mixed with frozen organic fruits and a little sweetener.

Anywho, time to get back to serious business. Tracking helps me feel secure in what I am doing.

A news item yesterday said by 2020, 50% of Americans will be diabetic or pre-diabetic.

Mikkijoe
11-29-2010, 12:06 PM
Ilene--you can guarentee that there will be a Christmas message for me to share, probably much longer!

Well, surprise surprise, I have been OFF track since Wednesday! Go figure, never saw that coming!

I have 3 inches of bloat around my waist, actually it goes from my rib cages to my waist!

It was so bad that I was buying dinner rolls every time I went to the store? WHY, just so we would not run out. I purposely made soup (primal) so we could have the rolls! CRAP! I threw out 4 bags of them last night.....tonight is chicken breast with veggies ONLY

BUT I had a great 4 day weekend, the tree is up, and our mini tree too, and my mantel is almost decorated, so we are 90% there---I dont decorate throughout the house, just the tree and mantel.

sparky1946
11-30-2010, 12:05 PM
Back in the saddle again....not too much damage. FBG was 74 this am. So I think I am curing myself of this disease.

It is kind of like it took my body a while to believe that I was really going to do this. And then it said "OK, I will fix your pancreas".

My DH has lost about 15 pounds, 2 inches off his waist, but his morning BG is still pre-diabetic. I told him to just keep hanging on and any minute, his body will say "Ok, I give in, you're cured".

Even though I have not made it to the 140s yet, 150.8 is the closest, I look really different lately. Especially in my shoulders and butt. DH is constantly trying to grab me. What is he going to do when I hit 127.5. I realize this is TMI for you young folks. But you should be please to know that the attraction does not die when you hit the 60s and 70s, even though it probably grosses you out as it does my grown kids. LOL

Mikkijoe
11-30-2010, 12:27 PM
Doesnt gross me out, after all--you spend all those years working full time jobs and stressed about money, kids, etc and you are expected to have active sex lives then, why would you not expect to have an active sex life when your daily demands die down and you have more relaxing time together?....Let the grabfest begin!!!

Ilene
11-30-2010, 04:06 PM
:woohoo: for sure let the grabfest begin :dance:

I've been on track too, pretty much... Wish I could say I am down to 150.8 way to go Sparky :bravo: ... I'm always 154 or 155 :rolleyes: *sigh*

sparky1946
12-01-2010, 07:31 PM
I never mentioned this before (I think) but I am very obsessive. In order for me to concentrate on losing weight, I had to forgo working on the business and our websites and just research, cook and track numbers. This really can be a full time job.

Well it is the end of the year and I have a ton of bookkeeping and other work stuff to catch up on. So my posting will be limited. I do not want anyone of you wonderful women to think that I am no longer interested or that I have given up. I just know myself and as soon as I start back into entering months of Quickbook transactions, I will become obsessed with finishing that as well as completing tax returns after the first of the year.

I am not balanced and I can not give any project anything except 150%.

I wish it were different.

PS- I am scared to death that I will gain weight back during this 12 hour a day behind the computer sitting on my butt days.

CJZee
12-01-2010, 07:51 PM
Very interesting newscast about how high-quality natural fats and meats, fish, eggs and full-fat dairy are nutritionally better for you than fruits (and some vegetables):

Link here. (http://video.foxnews.com/v/4419153/eat-your-fat-not-your-vegetables/?playlist_id=86892)

Ilene
12-01-2010, 11:33 PM
Sparky -- YOU of all people can do this...... just stick to the usual routine of foods, you know which are good and nutritious for you :yes:

CJ -- VERY good news cast :yes:

Same ole, same ole here :D ...

Marionm
12-02-2010, 12:49 PM
Even though I have not made it to the 140s yet, 150.8 is the closest, I look really different lately. Especially in my shoulders and butt. DH is constantly trying to grab me. What is he going to do when I hit 127.5. I realize this is TMI for you young folks. But you should be please to know that the attraction does not die when you hit the 60s and 70s, even though it probably grosses you out as it does my grown kids. LOL

I had a friend whose older kids were talking about sex and "old people" and she basically told them that not only do "old" people have sex, but after all those years, we are actually good at it! :p

BerkshireGrl
12-02-2010, 09:20 PM
Very interesting newscast about how high-quality natural fats and meats, fish, eggs and full-fat dairy are nutritionally better for you than fruits (and some vegetables):

Link here. (http://video.foxnews.com/v/4419153/eat-your-fat-not-your-vegetables/?playlist_id=86892)

I'm in the middle of reading the Amazon sample pages of that speaker's book, The Obesity Epidemic: What Caused It? How Can We Stop It? (http://www.amazon.com/Obesity-Epidemic-What-Caused-Stop/dp/1907797009/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291336220&sr=1-2) by Zoe Harcombe.

Extremely thoughtful writing by a Cambridge University-educated nutritionist/obesity researcher who was a former anorexic and bulimic, now recovered through the application of what she learned. Might have to get this one :D Thanks for the link heads-up!

CJZee
12-03-2010, 09:01 AM
I'm in the middle of reading the Amazon sample pages of that speaker's book, The Obesity Epidemic: What Caused It? How Can We Stop It? (http://www.amazon.com/Obesity-Epidemic-What-Caused-Stop/dp/1907797009/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291336220&sr=1-2) by Zoe Harcombe.

Extremely thoughtful writing by a Cambridge University-educated nutritionist/obesity researcher who was a former anorexic and bulimic, now recovered through the application of what she learned. Might have to get this one :D Thanks for the link heads-up!

You're welcome! I used to live in the Berkshires in the late 80's. Very pretty. Cold in winter.

Mikkijoe
12-03-2010, 11:54 AM
OH MAN, yesterdays posting is NOT here.....arhgggg, and it was thoughtful, and good, and long......gggrrrr

sparky1946
12-04-2010, 07:21 AM
OH MAN, yesterdays posting is NOT here.....arhgggg, and it was thoughtful, and good, and long......gggrrrr

Ohhh,

Can you repost?

I have been falling asleep at 7:30 at night and waking up 7 hours later. I really like my alone time in the morning. Take a scalding hot bubble bath, have a cup of coffee, plan my work day :(, etc.

I was posting my numbers to livestrong/my plate but not to my spreadsheet so I updated it and feel more in control. I have been also buying Hanukkah presents for my Christian grandkids :) (they are confused) and I have not balanced my checkbook and do not want to look. I will save that for another day.

I have been eating rather strangely and it is time today for a cleanse... hope I can make it through with water, potassium cleanse and broth till tomorrow. I haven't had anything unprimal just way more carbs than normal. Closer to 100 than 50. Stress of the holidays, I think.

I am going to try to make December a getting into the 140s month. I deserve it!

CJZee
12-05-2010, 09:08 PM
Hi everyone - I posted some photos on another 3FC thread (that I'm going to take down shortly) but thought I'd show you all what I look like now. Here is the link. (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/300-club/214271-positive-uplifting-notification-one-positive-thing-about-me-today-part-twelve.html#post3595975)

Also -- Gary Taubes has just started a blog. He just has one post up, but it's interesting. Here in the link. (http://www.garytaubes.com/blog/)

BerkshireGrl
12-07-2010, 10:23 PM
CJZee, you look FANTASTIC! And thank for the Taubes link, great reading!

I'm svelting!
12-08-2010, 07:39 AM
Hi everyone - I posted some photos on another 3FC thread (that I'm going to take down shortly) but thought I'd show you all what I look like now. Here is the link. (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/300-club/214271-positive-uplifting-notification-one-positive-thing-about-me-today-part-twelve.html#post3595975)

Also -- Gary Taubes has just started a blog. He just has one post up, but it's interesting. Here in the link. (http://www.garytaubes.com/blog/)

Thanks for posting your photos. You look great! I've added Taubes's blog to my feed reader; double thanks! :thanks: :thanks:

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I'm back from a vacation where I veered off the primal path. It wasn't a full detour but I had some wheat and several alcoholic drinks each day. By the end of the week, I needed my coffee in the morning rather than just enjoying it, if you know what I mean. I've had two full days back giving my body nourishing primal foods and I'm feeling much better.

One thing I've done to ease the transition back to veggie carbs only is to take L-glutamine (1/2 tsp under the tongue 3 times daily). I read about it on Nora Gedgaudas's blog (http://www.primalbody-primalmind.com/blog/?p=428). Over Christmas, I'll also be experimenting with gymnema sylvestre (suggested in the same blog post) to see if it does cut the taste of sugar for me, making it easier to pass up the sweet goodies.

sparky1946
12-08-2010, 07:15 PM
Ladies,

I started a thread for December (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/carb-counters/218997-primal-paleo-december.html).