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Old 10-22-2008, 10:55 AM   #406  
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This morning I woke up dizzy and thought I was getting the flu because my FIL is visiting and he had it about a week ago. I got really hungry so I got up, took a shower and had a toast and soy milk. Seems to be ok so hope the flu stays away. I've been really lazy lately not feeling like exercise maybe because of the busy week last week with all the family here.......all 29 of them. ha! But we have been bringing in all the garden produce........six Walmart bags of tomatoes and many squash, peppers, etc. My dh and FIL picked at least 15 bushel of apples from our 2 trees. I could make applesauce every day all winter and not get through them all. Still canning tomatoes, too, as my one son says it is my labor of love for them all. When he puts it like that, how can I resist?
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:45 AM   #407  
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Oh wow! Didn't realize two trees would produce so much!
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Old 10-22-2008, 12:48 PM   #408  
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This was a great year for apples around our area of SW Wisconsin.
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Old 10-22-2008, 08:02 PM   #409  
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Hi great year for tomatoes here to. we got lots of juice put up. had tomatoes already done and apples to. had 4 apple trees taken out last year. it was a good year for them then so had some already put in jars. so all gone now. got wood in on patio so we are ready for the fall. i have lots of projects i want to get started. have loss 16 more lbs since july so happy with me. back on my atkins mostly. just watch and keep track. helps alot. got to start now to adding some walks. i walk daily butneed 2 of them. ha ha have a good week to all. LaDean
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Old 10-23-2008, 10:33 AM   #410  
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Hi LaDean, long time no see. Good to hear from you. I told my friend that I could make applesauce every day all winter and I still don't think I'd get through all those apples. How much weight do you still want to lose? I know I need to lose more but I'm so happy with what I have lost, thank the Lord.
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Old 10-23-2008, 11:03 AM   #411  
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More from Beyond Chocolate.

PRINCIPLE NO. 2: Eat when you're hungry
Remind me what this principle is about

A happy hunger?

Meet four friends - Beth, Bryony, Bobbie and Belle. Women just like you - similar lives, ages, careers and aspirations. Yet these women, for all their similarities, have very different relationships with their hunger.

Beth spends much of the day starving. It doesn't feel great but her new celebrity diet book - the one that will surely change her life - states very clearly that she can only eat at 8am, 1pm and 5pm, with a snack at 3. Desperately trying to stick to these times, Beth is preoccupied by the hunger pangs she feels clawing at her stomach. She eats exactly when the clock tells her she can, hungry or not - either ravenously wolfing down her designated helping or forcing down food she does not want. Every day the same, Beth fights her hunger - allowing herself to eat only at times decided by someone else. Controlled and unsatisfied, Beth knows that this cannot go on forever.

Bryony's day sees her teetering on the edge of nausea. Ignoring her body's hunger patterns, she ploughs through every meal and snack because she feels she must. She must eat breakfast because the experts have told her it's essential. She should eat a slice (or two) of her friend's homemade cake because it would be rude to say no. She has to finish every mouthful of her dinner because it would be a waste to leave any on the plate. Every day the same, Bryony doesn't hear her body's shouts of 'I'm full!' - eating because she feels dominated by should, must and have to. Locked into a world built of other people's rules and expectations, Bryony knows that this cannot go on forever.

Bobbie lives each day feeling that her eating is tumbling out of control. Diet plans fail as soon as she hears the biscuit tin pop open and her feelings of failure are submerged in one, two, three, oops, a packet of biscuits. Work stresses are quelled with large gooey slices of cake and her partner's angry words are silenced with a steaming plate of fish and chips. Every day the same, Bobbie eats for comfort - filling herself with food as it's the only thing that seems to help. Desperate and scared, Bobbie knows this cannot go on forever.

And Belle - what of her day? Most days, Belle tunes in to her body's natural hunger signals and eats in response to them. If she is hungry early, she eats early and if not, she waits. If she isn't hungry at 'lunchtime', she doesn't panic - she knows that her body, in its unique way, will tell her when it needs food. When a close friend offers her homemade flapjack, warm from the oven, she is confident to say 'Yes please, it looks delicious - can I save a piece for later?' When she feels hurt or lonely, she might opt for the comfort of a fudge drizzled ice-cream but, more often than not, she chooses to manage her feelings another way. Every day is different! Some days she eats more, some days less, some days she fine-tunes her hunger for a particular event, some days she just goes with the flow. Trusting her own body gives Belle such a feeling of balance and satisfaction that she knows this relationship with food will go on forever.

And are Beth, Bryony and Bobbie just fictional extremes? Look around you, listen to the voices of women you know and examine your own feelings about hunger. We all know a Beth, a Bryony, a Bobbie, maybe a mix of the three - we may even recognise them in our own behaviours. But Belle - do we really know anyone like her? Here at Beyond Chocolate we do! Meet the real life women who are tasting the freedom for themselves -


Alice, a longstanding Beyond Chocolater, talks about how she loves the special feeling you get when you eat when you are actually hungry.

Although she spent many years 'never letting myself get hungry', Gretel, an e-course 'graduate', finds that she can tune into her hunger signals more clearly now and experiences a 'surfacing realization that my hunger is stirring'.

Amy, who attended a workshop, has recently become aware that 'often when I think I'm hungry, I'm actually experiencing a feeling of emptiness. This feels like a real breakthrough for me because I haven't really recognised that before, and I think if I can sit with the emptiness then I might be able to find out what feelings are prompting it, or what emotional hunger lies behind it.'


Are you hungry for the long lasting, emotionally and physically nourishing relationship with food that these women enjoy? See what delights the Beyond Chocolate menu offers up....

For starters - tune in and listen to your body's hunger signals. How do you feel, physically and emotionally, when you are very hungry? What are you telling yourself about eating....or not eating? How does this differ from when you are completely full? What are the changes you experience between these two extremes? Tune in as often as you can - the more often you do it, the better you will become at picking up your body's cues that it is hungry - that it is time to eat!
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Old 10-23-2008, 11:12 AM   #412  
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I used to be a Bryony and a Bobbie.

Now, thankfully, I'm a Belle!
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Old 10-23-2008, 12:11 PM   #413  
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Ten Things People Do to Stay Effortlessly Thin


This link that I posted is very similar to the IE method. The only thing that is different is that one of the "things" thin people do is weigh themselves on a regular basis to keep their weight in check. Other than that, the other nine ideas are just like IE.
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Old 10-23-2008, 12:13 PM   #414  
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I am happily turning into a Belle.
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Old 10-23-2008, 06:58 PM   #415  
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Not writing much lately, but I'm still here reading. The 5 to 7 lbs I thought I lost has become only .5 lb. But acording to the book that is normal. So I'm still hanging in there. I still believe this is the only way for me.

carolr, Thanks again. As usual you seem to manage to post something I need. I hope that if I keep doing what I'm doing that I will become a Belle, but I see a lot of Beth and Byrony in me and even some of Bobbie.

I decided to read Tribole's and Resch's IE book again. Strange it is almost like I never read it before. I am having a real problem learning what foods I really like and don't like. I went to the store yesterday and really couldn't decide what I wanted to buy. I am mostly trying to eat healthy. Today when reading the IE book I realized that I really don't know what I like and don't like. As a child, I ate whatever Mama set before me. Same thing when I lived with my aunt, again I ate whatever she fixed or bought for me to cook. When I was single, I ate what I could afford to eat. When I married, I cooked to please my DH. Diets tell you what you have to eat and what you cannot eat. So today I suddently realized that now that I'm trying to learn to eat the IE lifestyle, I really do not know what foods I really like or don't. I have eaten according to what someone else says (their rules) for so long that I am having a hard time learning when I am really hungry and what I really want to eat when I am. I guess this is going to take me a while to get used to because not only have I dieted for so many years, but someone has always chosen my food for me. I guess WW was the last straw for me. When I started, I didn't want all the points I had to eat but they said I had to eat them. So then when I finally was able to make myself eat them, I not only gained the weight I had been losing eating less, but it seemed to trigger something that cause me to eat more. That is when I finally reached what IE calls "Hitting Diet Bottom" stage... because I just don't think I can follow one more diet ever again. I am now in the exploration stage which I must admit is really a learning experience in itself. But hopefully there is hope for me. We leave on our 2 week trip in 9 days and with food being scarce, I hope it will help me learn to identify real hunger and having to eat out perhaps I can even learn what I really want to eat. Strange, although IE has no food deprivation, I am finding that getting rid of the guilt feelings isn't easy either. By this really is a work in process, isn't it?

You guys are doing great. Like I say I don't write much, but I do read and you do inspire me.
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Old 10-24-2008, 10:42 AM   #416  
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Hi Patty. Your post reminded me of something I just read on the Naturally Thin Website.

“Diet boredom” is just what it sounds like. It’s a boredom with eating and with food that happens to well fed people who get securely off the Feast or Famine Cycle. Eating becomes a chore. Hunger is well defined and more demanding than formerly. These people often feel hunger but can’t find anything appetizing to eat. This is quite a change from the dieter who lacks hunger but wants to eat anyway. This is the body signal that happens when it needs to use up unnecessary fat by lowering food intake. The job of the recovering person, as usual, is to stay tuned in and follow the signals, never forcing, never ignoring signals. Most people who get and stay off the FF Cycle for a time experience diet boredom.
Sincerely,
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If you've ever read Naturally Thin By Eating More by Jean Antonello you would find some helpful info but she does limit some food groups so she isn't quite IE .
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Thanks carolr. I appreciate your feedback. That is what I'm feeling "boredom". I constantly have to tell myself "I'm not on a diet so I don't have to eat". More poor DH, I just don't want to think about food and it is really a chore trying to figure out what to fix. I only have to fix one meal a day and it sounded crazy to me that I find it such a chore to decide what to cook. What you wrote makes sense. You are so good at finding these things.

I got up this morning and decided to totally IE. I didn't want anything to eat and I only wanted coffee which I had more or less given up. So I made a fresh half pot and had a cup. Today I am going to eat when I am hungry and not just because it is meal time. I guess I need to give up the scale but haven't done that successfully yet. Don't know what I did yesterday but I'm up 2 lbs. At this rate, I will gain this month instead of lose, but according to what I read yesterday in IE book I have got to get focused on feeling good instead of being focused on the scale in order to success. I can see how my 2 week vacation can be a real blessing to me learning IE. No scale and no easy access to food.

Thanks again carolr. Hope we have a good IE day.

Patty
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I really need to buy the book so I can keep up with the conversation when it comes to specifics. That's on my to-do list this week.

Pattygirl, sounds like this is the time to figure out what you like to eat! Enjoy!

I am thrilled that I can now eat a large apple when I'm hungry and feel full!
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I'd like to know why some days I am so much hungrier than other days. Today I'm not particularly hungry but a few days before today I was so hungry. Any ideas from anyone? I don't think it has anything to do with exercise or activity of any kind either. Thanks.
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Here's a thought, Carol: If you go to nutritiondata.com and look at the fullness factor of foods you'll see which foods keep you fuller feeling longer. Here is a handy tool: Fullness Factor
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