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That's what my "age corrected" BMI came to also 22.1. But on there even my "real" BMI is in the healthy range. I had posted before that on an app I put on my phone to calculate your ideal weight it said a man's ideal weight stays the same through out his life but a woman's changes as she gets older.
I really don't want to go below 125 as my mom is a very tiny woman and has become very frail in her late 80s. So it is best to have a bit of heft to you I think. Of course it will take me to my late 80s to get to 125 so being too small will never become a problem.

Linden with the research on nutrition or on anything really the problem is that it is all done on the "normal" range of people. So if there is something "different" about a person, such as being super carb sensitive then you don't fit the norm and need to study carefully how any change you make changes your condition.

For instance I weigh myself every morning which most people consider a taboo on this plan. But if I hadn't done that for the past ten years and watched what effect certain foods had on me I'd still weight 200+.
I love reading all the stuff you and Marion and some other people discuss because that gives me the Coles' notes version of the things other people have done the work to find out.

Pat

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Originally Posted by Linden (Post 4168864)

Welcome back! You've done so well so far I hope that pattern continues, in spades. :D

Thanks Linden. Way to go on your weight loss this week!! Hope I can see a similar result myself for next weeks weigh in. My weight comes off slow so hope I can have a few good weeks on phase 1 , then will probably switch to phase 2 and stay there awhile.

My restart of IP phase 1 sure isn't as easy for me as the first time around, I seem so much hungrier and more cravings this time around. Maybe doing it in the winter is some of the reason, last time I started in May. Hopefully once I get fully into ketosis it will be better. I also find I am pickier about the food this time also. I only like 2 of the drinks, the choc rtd shakes and occasionally the mango rtd, the crispy cereal, for soups I only like the broccoli cheddar soup, and I like most of the bars and the cookie. With so little I am liking to eat I hope I don't get bored before I get through my phases.

Good luck to everyone for a great IP and weight loss week !!

For those of you that have a iPhone, I received a "UP" band made by Jawbone for Christmas. It is a band you wear around your wrist and is a pedometer by day, and a food tracker if you want to use it for that (I don't use the food tracker) and at night it measures your sleep, how much sleep you got broke down into your deep sleep, light sleep and awake minutes.
Then you plug it into your iPhone and it brings up 3 different charts to view your results. It is amazing how accurate it is.

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Originally Posted by 2011weightbegone (Post 4171357)

For those of you that have a iPhone, I received a "UP" band made by Jawbone for Christmas. It is a band you wear around your wrist and is a pedometer by day, and a food tracker if you want to use it for that (I don't use the food tracker) and at night it measures your sleep, how much sleep you got broke down into your deep sleep, light sleep and awake minutes.
Then you plug it into your iPhone and it brings up 3 different charts to view your results. It is amazing how accurate it is.

I had a Fitbit, in fact ordered it even before they started to ship -- based on the reviews. Worked like a charm until I put it in the washer. Arghhhh. I liked that you could clip it on to anything you were wearing, anywhere and that it synced automatically with my computer whenever I was in range. But maybe if it had been on my wrist I wouldn't have thrown both in the wash. :o Also, the sleep tracker was great. And about the foods -- remember, your taste changes a lot as you progress so I'm hoping things will get better. I still swear by the puddings with 16 ounces of water made into a really creamy shake.

You ladies are awesome! I've tried to respond a couple of times this week, but the message board goes down and I'm easily frustrated. (I'm usually doing well to get my thoughts out once!)

I'm happy to hear people are doing well. I am doing well also, but it's not quite how I had planned it. I'm okay with that, though, I'd like to see the weight come off faster.

My sore gland has resulted in a course of antibiotics and a CT scan on Tuesday. This has been a re-occurring problem that I have just ignored, so I doubt it's life threatening, but it is really annoying and unpleasant. It has not really slowed me down other than I haven't written the paper that is due tomorrow for my sports and drugs class. The funniest thing of all of this (and I am able to laugh) is that the doctor wants me to suck on lemon drops in case I have a stone in there. Apparently the increased saliva is likely to cause the stone to pass...I don't know how a stone passes from a saliva gland or lymph node, but here's the kicker... Did you know that 3 lemon drops has 14grams of carbohydrates? LOL

My daughter is still sore. they called it costochrondritis and said she'd probably feel better in a few days. She's not. We saw another doctor yesterday who gave her steroids to reduce the inflammation. He also ran some blood tests to see if this is her JRA flaring up again. Apparently, it is classic for it to begin with sore chest tissue and a sore jaw--she has both of those. We aren't going to over-react there, but we will see what the blood work says. In the meantime, the treatment in either case is likely the same.

Aside from feeling like the walking wounded around here, we are doing fine though. I am staying as close to plan as I can. I know the medicine I'm taking is not helping, so I'm not going to sweat it too much.

Marion, I'm SO sorry. You have had a flock of worries recently. I sure hope both of you are doing well soon AND that tests are conclusive.

Hi Pat, have you tried the Cron-o-meter? I still think it's the best labor saving thing I've had in years BUT it's been down twice since the 9th. I'm wondering if you've had the same experience?

Lovely day here in that the sun kept coming out off and on all day. Been days since I've seen sun. I'm also realizing that I spawned and acquired hearty relatives. Three hours in a park walking, strolling, gazing, etc. In 30 something degree weather with 15 MPH winds. Ok, so that sounds like spring to some of you. But I'm a delicate flower. :D Except, of course, a chubby one. Is that an oxymoron? Did buy some ankle warmers, though, and am wearing them on my knees. :o

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Originally Posted by patns (Post 4171281)

CRUMBS! I went looking for someone's older post and see that I totally missed this one. I sure agree with you about the norm. Actually, I'd like to meet a norm once in my life, someone who wasn't male and was called Norm. ;) I also weigh every day. Wouldn't consider doing anything else. Data is data. Facts are facts. And they are just that. They don't carry any moralistic baggage. They just are. They just exist. But you sure can use them to do all kinds of interesting analyses.

I've learned a lot about sodium intake (mine), as well as when I take Ma and K -- for me, night is best. I've learned to get my K intake up to 4.700 g, the new recommendation, and no longer -- almost ever -- have leg cramps. Also, along the way, and even though I'd always thought I drank a lot of water (well, compared to lots of other people, I did), I now realize that I do better on about 75-80 ounces a day for every day; 100 plus when doing Phase 1. Lots of little stuff that adds up in the end when we are in the business of fine, fine, fine tuning. You're spot on, I think. :hug:

Hi everyone! I really need to get on here more often. I end up spending a lot of time trying to catch up on everyone's news if I don't check in daily. I just added to my list to get on here everyday. I need to, I slipped up and now trying to get back into it. Grrrr. No gain but I didn't do myself any favors by doing so.

I hate setting a goal for myself but I would really like to get to below 160 before mid Feb. I'm headed to Phoenix then and want to be comfortable in my clothes that are now tight. I always think I am setting myself up for failure when I make goals like that. With that date approaching, I'm going to have to really be a good girl. Anyway else set goals like that? If you do, does it work?

Take care.

Goals are good...I have 11 pounds left and am really hoping to be there by valentines day, but the last weight always seems to be the slowest to lose...

As long as you are moving towards your goal weight you should feel a sense of accomplishment!

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Originally Posted by iowahawkeyemom (Post 4172357)

goals are good as long as they are realistic and can be reached in that time frame. for instance. I usually aim for 2 lbs a week so in 6 weeks, I want to be down 12 lbs minimum... 15 lbs would be awesome though. best wishes!

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Originally Posted by Linden (Post 4168309)

A little story. As I was packing to leave for Christmas, taking my small suitcase out of the large one, I felt a funny bulge on the inside of the big one. What the. . . ?

It was a ziplock bag with 13 IP packets. OMG. Talk about Christmas presents! I had the first one this morning because . . . because I am celebrating a one pound loss after a 6 day stall. I'll just say this: There are alternatives to IP products, but there are NO substitutes. The taste, the texture, so very much different. And these were at least a year old because I left the states on the 16th of January last year. Over the moon, at least briefly. :D

Good to see you, Iowa Mom. I hope business has been really brisk. I'd sure like to see an up surge in the real estate market.

Hi SalemSinead, to get started you should get all your ducks in a row and to do that read the IP Nutritional Fact sheet to see what the products look like and the IP Supplements Overview. I believe these are in the 2nd sticky under Ideal Protein Diet -- Phases. And then read about the phases, post number 9. The info is a little dated but the only differences, I think, are that all coloured peppers are allowed, and 8 ounces of meat and fish are required for dinner. The latter is an important difference. I'd send you links but the copies I have are pdfs and I don't know how to attach or link them. Sorry.

The supplements are also VERY important. Try to replicate them as closely as you can. For the potassium, ask the pharmacist. You won't find anything like it on the shelf and you may have to order it and you will probably have to buy the calcium separately. If you have trouble stomaching fish oil, use krill -- but it is a lot more expensive. Buy the very best vitamins and minerals you can, preferably in capsule form since they tend to be higher quality and easier to digest. If you are over 50, get a multivitamin without folate. Too much is poisonous and the older you are, the less you need. And you also get a lot of folate from green vegetables. Also consider adding a B complex, vitamin C and, during the winter, at least 1000 iu Vitamin D.

About the protein isolate. I Googled Amazon.UK and you can get Syntrax Matrix 5.0 with free shipping for Pound 40.54. You get 5 pounds and one serving is 30 grams so this is a bargain. I'll also vouch for the amino acids and other nutrients but you might want to check reviews yourself. It isn't IP but it's as close as you're likely to get. 23 g very high grade whey protein per serving BUT 6 grams of carbs per serving, at least what I can get in Germany. They make products with 2 g, so look around, even call the supplier to make sure what they advertize is what you get. But you can still use the 6 g product and be careful what other carbs you take in. Belgian endive and spinach are good low-carb high nutrition vegetables.

Salads: use Romaine lettuce because it's the only one with good nutrition (and it actually has a taste :)). Lettuce is free and STRONGLY advised because this is a LOW FIBER program. Eat it as a salad, just to munch on, to wrap meat and vegetables, etc.

Water: very minimum 1/2 ounce for every pound of body weight up to 240 pounds. About 100 plus ounces a day is best every day, especially at the beginning, so you flush out garbage.

Oil: medium- or long-chain fatty acids, like coconut. olive, and grape seed. DO NOT use stuff like canola, OK? 2 teaspoons minimum and don't go too far over that. You might want to do some research here. A lot of barbaric practitioners, like Dr Michael Edes, Atkins, believe that taking in good fat helps you to burn fat.

Salt: 1/2 t a day of sea salt. Sel de Mer, Celtic, and Himalayan are best tasting except for pink Hawai'ian, but it's hard to get in Europe. You can always visit and bring some back. It's about $3 a pound so worth the visit. :D In the beginning you will probably need more salt because you're flushing electrolytes as well as other stuff. If you get a headache or feel light headed, this is what is happening. You know your body best and what level of sodium it can tolerate without water retention.

Sleep: Get lots although once you're in ketosis even though you may sleep less for a little while -- all that new energy.

Scale: You'll need a good kitchen scale that measures in both ounces and grams.

Sweetner: Stevia is the only thing I can recommend.

Bases: My interpretation of what is the base line for this program? About 100 g good protein; under 30 real carbs, not net, between 800 and 900 calories a day, 1200-1500 mg sodium, 4,700 mg potassium, 350 mg magnesium, 100-1200 mg calcium; and keep sugar as absolutely low as possible, ALL sugars.

Tracking: If you'd like to track what you eat, and it's a really good idea, you can use cronometer.com or other commercial derivatives of the USDA Nutritional Data Base.

I hope that covers the basics and hope it helps. CarolIrish in the Netherlands (I think) is also doing this in Europe, but I haven't seen her around recently.

Sorry, one last note. Protidiet is also available in Europe, if you want more variety and packets. I didn't get them because I think they're low in protein, some are fairly high carb, BUT they do have fiber. And as I said, variety.

GOOD LUCK.

Thanks for that post. You summed up all the info needed it such a precise way. This board has many IP's here with much more of a knowledge base then coachs (speaking of mine here). Thanks again...

This morning I had a new email in my inbox from amazon.com, wanting me to order a new book that's coming out in the near future... it's about being an introvert, which I freely admit being... the book didn't seem to apply to me, since it's mostly about being an introvert in the business world & I'm retired, but as I often do, I followed the links to other similar books... & that's where I read it, in the introduction to another book, the answer to what's going on with me, why I'm having trouble staying on protocol this time around... it said, "Perhaps you don't want to brag or draw too much attention to yourself."..

OMG, I'm trying to disappear again!!!..

For years, I didn't have to deal with getting attention from anybody who wasn't already a friend & suddenly (it seemed) last year, I was getting noticed not only by people who were already acquaintances, but also by total strangers... it must've all become too much, even though I hadn't really thought consciously about it... but somewhere deep in my sub-mind, I've been longing for that inconspicuousness again...

Okay, so, my epiphany is here, but now what do I do about it?..

hugs :hug:

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Originally Posted by iowahawkeyemom (Post 4172357)

Anyway else set goals like that? If you do, does it work?

I remember having a similar discussion here where I said I didn't really set goals anymore and then being confronted with the two rather obvious ones below in plain sight. :o I think what I meant was I'm not goal driven any more. But I do think goals are important if one doesn't unrealistic ones and doesn't flaggelate oneself for not reaching a goal that you worked hard to get to. 10 or almost 10 in a month could be doeable. I sure hope it is. :hug:

Thanks Endless and Mom of 3, for the nice words. I'm glad someone gets some benefit from them. Had kind of hoped Sinead would do the program and share info about what she found in the UK.

And Sheshie, as is often the case, you pose one of those tough, organic questions that are so hard to answer. All I can say is it makes sense to me. Pity one's disappearing act doesn't always equate to slimming. [h&/* this is my new personal emot for chagrin. :o] And I'm fresh out of anything verging on help or advice, I think. Kind of worn out by how few of the new people take the time to read, and read, and learn. Well, cheers everyone.

happy Sunday everyone!

my TOM showed up yesterday, over a week early.... that is the one thing about this program that I could do with out. I hate it when things don't go as 'scheduled'... last time, it came 2 weeks early and lasted for 16 days (I'm a 5 day kinda girl!). Oy.

today is my hubby's b-day so I am making a nice dinner and family will come over for cake later.... and no, I will not be having any! ;)

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Originally Posted by Mom3LoveBugs (Post 4172975)

I think you have every right to be a bit grouchy, if you want to. But I guess I can't imagine that, when I think about it. Hum. :D