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Ryanne 10-03-2009 10:37 AM

Born Again Christian Support
 
I wanted to start a support group just for us. I don't know if there is already one, and if there is, I didn't see it.
I am doing Kelli's Bible Study, and I wanted some feedback on other people who are also kicking gluttony and idolatry to the curb and glorifying God in their eating and drinking.
I could use some support and could use some friends. :D

bargoo 10-03-2009 11:28 AM

Ryanne, there is a wonderful support group called Christian Encouragers and another called Prayer Warriors . You can find them under Faith Based Support (where you posted this ).

Ryanne 10-03-2009 12:00 PM

I'm sorry...
 
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Originally Posted by bargoo (Post 2954317)
Ryanne, there is a wonderful support group called Christian Encouragers and another called Prayer Warriors . You can find them under Faith Based Support (where you posted this ).


I just thought that there seemed to be some of various religions in those threads and I was specifically asking for support with like minded people. I am "Born Again" and I wanted others that may be "Born Again Christians" to fellowship with and support each other.

bargoo 10-03-2009 12:03 PM

I would encourage you to come on over to those groups , I think you will find what you are looking for.

Bootsie 10-03-2009 12:55 PM

Ryanne hi, and welcome! Is what you looking for is discussion on Kelli's Bible study? Where are you at in her study? I am behind and I understand needing someone to discuss the study. We do have another group as Bargo has said and too you are so welcomed there also and do hope you join. But if you are looking for discussion on her Bible study that would be nice also. Kelli does have a web site also where we can do a discussion but no one would discuss anything with me there, kinda got lonely, so I stopped. Especially when it gets so hard for me to get on here and there and post sometimes. Please explain to us what you are looking for, all of us have different religions. So glad you are here. Oh and yes I have been born again, I am a completely different person than I was 10 years ago.

Bootsie 10-03-2009 01:11 PM

I just read something out of sugar busters that might be of interest to some on portion size, on page 130.
The portions that you select for each meal should fit nicely on your plate. All of us know what a dinner plate looks like. It has a flat bottom and is flanged around the sides. Your meat and vegetables should fit nicely on the bottom of the plate and should not extend on or over the sides. If you place proper servings on the plate , then the need to count grams is unnecessary. Remember , once you have served your plate appropriately , do not go back for seconds and thirds. Everyone should understand this concept, following it will prevent you from overeating at any particular meal.

Kelli 10-03-2009 02:43 PM

Hi Ryann,

I think a Born-Again support group is a great idea! Although I do think most of the encouragers are born-again, but maybe something more in-depth, other than how the day is going??? Not that, that's not important because it is. I believe fellowship and constant contact with other Christians is vital, like it says.

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You've found a great place to come and vent, share or ask for prayer support. This is a great group who will be very encouraging, caring and loving....anyone is welcome to join!
But I have felt a need for an in-depth discussion on our love for Jesus.

So that being said, I must confess, this last week was a rough one for me. Satan was just in my face!!! I was eating anything and everything, especially sugar. On Friday I woke up with the worst headache, feeling guilty, scared, and I had a real revulsion towards anything even slightly sweet. I read Week 9 Day 2, and it kicked me in the behind, and made me realize it's God's problem. Then I read ahead to Week 9 day 2 Wrestling with God, and it showed me I was trying to manipulate my weight loss again. Then week 9 day 3 Where is you fire lit, made me finally GIVE IT UP!!! PRAISE GOD!! as soon as I did that, I was back to food being a non-issue. Why is it so hard to let it go??? When I do give up control, everything is so much easier. Eating becomes more of a bother, than a all consuming desire.

Thanks Rayann for all your support you are a good friend, and I know God brought you to me. :hug:

Love, Kelli

Ryanne 10-03-2009 03:36 PM

Bootsie and Kelly, Yes and Yes!
 
:D Yes, I am wanting fellowship with other Born Again Christians just as Kelli and you said, and yes, the discussion of Kelli's Bible Study would be great, and a place to talk about those struggles and victories and ideas and about our Lord. I love you BOTH and would love to see this thread get going! :grouphug:

pattygirl63 10-03-2009 04:27 PM

Hi Girls,

I do enjoy the other faith groups, but I also felt the need and sometimes just the desire to have Diet BS group where we could discuss what we were learning. I've made it through Week 9 and had planned to stop and pick up Week 10 next summer. I'm going to BSF this year and we are studying the book of John. Kellie's wonderful lessons get me so into the work and dig deep with the lessons and my feelings and thoughts and so does BSF lessons. I tried to do them together but became a lot to do all at once.

I do agree with Kellie in the fact that I believe all those in the Encouragers group are born again and would probably still go there. However, if you do decide to continue this support group for us, I am definitely in. I will even go back to where everyone is so we're pretty much on the same page and refresh on the lessons I've already done. When studying the Word and applying it to our lives, we can always learn something new or something that re-enforces what we have learned. I think it is marvelous how the Lord does that. The Word of God never grows old or loses it's power to change us no matter how many times we read or study it. Who knows might even work in finding a way to finish the other lessons as we all get to them.

I'll do whatever y'all decide.

pattygirl63 10-03-2009 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelli (Post 2954489)
So that being said, I must confess, this last week was a rough one for me. Satan was just in my face!!! I was eating anything and everything, especially sugar. On Friday I woke up with the worst headache, feeling guilty, scared, and I had a real revulsion towards anything even slightly sweet. I read Week 9 Day 2, and it kicked me in the behind, and made me realize it's God's problem. Then I read ahead to Week 9 day 2 Wrestling with God, and it showed me I was trying to manipulate my weight loss again. Then week 9 day 3 Where is you fire lit, made me finally GIVE IT UP!!! PRAISE GOD!! as soon as I did that, I was back to food being a non-issue. Why is it so hard to let it go??? When I do give up control, everything is so much easier. Eating becomes more of a bother, than a all consuming desire.

Kellie I think I've been experiencing the same thing. Trying to manipulate my weight loss. I think the world makes us feel like we are supposed to be in such control with diets that it is so easy to slip back into that mindset without even realizing it. It really is so much easier when we let Him take the reigns.

I have a problem sometimes of being regular. I got up this morning and it was like the Lord gave me an interesting mixture to eat for breakfast. I love oatmeal, but it has become too much and feels too heavy. I had bought some lowfat cream cheese that I need to use. So had decided to have toast with cream cheese instead of butter and then add peanut butter to it. As I was making the toast it came to me out of the blue to add a Tbls of flaxseed meal, cinnamon and a touch of honey to mix. Cinnamon is good for keeping blood sugar down. My toast is the 40 calorie wheat bread with 5 grams of fiber. So ln just a matter of moments I had a nice not so heavy healthy breakfast that I believe God showed me to make this. It meets all my health issues, is quick and easy to make and it tastes pretty good.

Bootsie 10-03-2009 05:28 PM

Ryanne, I think you got your answer this is a go. So where are you in Kelli's Bible study?
Trish looks like Jesus wants to keep you around here for a while:hug::carrot:
Kelli, you were stressed about about something sounds like and you had no one to talk to , don't forget girl God put us together for a reason.Like, He is putting this thread together using Ryanne for a reason, :woohoo: so let's get
it moving!:bike2:

Ryanne 10-03-2009 06:32 PM

As Far As The Bible Study Goes:
 
We could start anywhere. If you all want to just start over with one we could do that...I say we start tomorrow! This will be fun! :D

Kelli 10-03-2009 07:44 PM

Woohoo, I'm in.

Trish you don't really have to do the Diet Bible study, I think I did BSF, a long time ago. Is that the study where they absolutely do not allow any discussion on religion??? So you are free from "Religion" and can fellowship in the Word. As I recall it was a good one. You could certainly use that because it would be different insights, and that is always a plus. In fact if you are feeling that way, it could be exactly what God wants... :hug:

This is so cool because this is what I envisioned, to do the study in a group setting. I have grown to love all you ladies so much, your the best. I love this whole section of the forum. The encourages are just that. Non-judgmental, loving and supportive, and the prayer group is the best too. It's so comforting knowing you can run to twenty or thirty people and ask for prayer. You just feel so supported.

So for those of us who want to do the study, we could start at the beginning. Trish you could just tell us what insites you have gained with BSF so far!

Also... about the diet portion of it... I really think you have to do what is best for you, as long as we don't become fixated and guilty for not following rules exactly... for me that was the key, to let myself make mistakes. I know right now I could go up and eat an ice cream, but I seriously have no interest. I usually don't like to do this, because it trips me up (think about what I have eaten) but It's 5:32 and today I have had two cups of black coffee, a dollar hamburger at McDonalds with ice water and about a cup of mashed potatoes with gravy. and a glass of milk. When I give up control it's soooooo scary just to trust that I won't go insane and eat everything in site, but when you know you can, it just loses it's appeal...

This is how I want it to be, like it was before I started dieting. When I ate to eat, not for comfort because I was feeling sad, or whatever... I want that freedom for the rest of my life. I am soooo tired of worrying about it. But I want it so much. I guess I think God wouldn't let me have what I so desire, but He says He will. He will give us the desire of our hearts!!!

Love, Kelli

EZMONEY 10-03-2009 08:09 PM

May your new thread be blessed!

Kelli 10-03-2009 08:15 PM

Thank you Gary, you are a blessing!!!

pattygirl63 10-03-2009 09:37 PM

Thanks everyone for including me. I am excited about this. I am going to get my materials out and start over with all of you tomorrow.

Kellie Yes that is BSF. I found it interesting that when I started BSF that what I got out of it went along with what I was learning on you Biblle study and the small groups Bible study I'm doing at church. I think it will be beneficial for me to do this with y'all. I'll take the lessons I've done and just go over what I wrote when I did it and see if I have any new insights since then.

Bootse I agree. I also think Jesus must want me here.

Ryanne Thanks for starting this thread. Now that we are doing this, I'll admit that I was hoping we would have something like this when Kellie started the Diet Bible Study. I am excited about this.

Gary Thanks for blessing this thread.

Personally ladies, I don't think this takes from Encouragers or the Prayer Warriors threads at all. Hopefully it will compliment them.

Nite all. Have a great Sunday and I will catch y'all tomorrow.

Ryanne 10-03-2009 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelli (Post 2954764)
You could certainly use that because it would be different insights, and that is always a plus. In fact if you are feeling that way, it could be exactly what God wants... :hug: So for those of us who want to do the study, we could start at the beginning. Trish you could just tell us what insites you have gained with BSF so far!

Yes, I think it would be wonderful for you to do the other study and give us all the insight you can. We all can use all the help we can get!

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Originally Posted by Kelli (Post 2954764)
Also... about the diet portion of it... I really think you have to do what is best for you, as long as we don't become fixated and guilty for not following rules exactly... for me that was the key, to let myself make mistakes.

Yes, I think that God has given me my plan and I think that if I get too legalistic, I will ask you all for prayer concerning it, but I do believe that plans are not one size fits all, and I do believe that God will show each of us His plan for us.

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Originally Posted by Kelli (Post 2954764)
This is how I want it to be, like it was before I started dieting. When I ate to eat He will give us the desire of our hearts!!!

Love, Kelli

Amen, Kelli...That is EXACTLY how I feel! Well, alrighty then, looks like we got a good start here. Can't wait to get to know all of you more! :yay:

Gary, thank you for the blessing on this thread, that was sweet.

Bootsie 10-03-2009 11:54 PM

Cinnamon is good for keeping blood sugar down, thanks Trish I never knew that! I love cinnamon toast and I use the diet sugar with it. I have not had it in such a long time. I am not a diabetic but it runs in our family and so does heart trouble high cholesterol.
I just read something else very interesting in Sugar busters: There is an insulin and cholesterol connection they believe that the insulin must be causing the liver to make cholesterol, which makes sense because the doctor said my body was making cholesterol that I need to be on Cholesterol medicine, but she could not tell me how my body was making cholesterol, hmm...this book is really getting interested. If I know how my body is making cholesterol then I have a 2nd chance at correcting it, through foods I eat. Does that make sense or am I dreaming?

Ryanne 10-04-2009 12:22 AM

Introduction To Flowers Over The Wall By: Kelli
 
Introduction
God Is Not Mad At You
“UNCLEAN, UNCLEAN”. It’s what the lepers of Jesus’ time had to shout when they walked through the streets. “UNCLEAN!” They were the outcast of society, shunned and mocked by society. People thought God was punishing them, so they thought they would get a special blessing if they helped God by punishing them. They felt they deserved what they got. People shunned and mocked them, looking at them in disgust, thankful and self-righteous.

We, who are overweight in our society, are the lepers of our day. We don’t have to yell out unclean; our bodies do that for us. We are the repulsive joke in shows such as Good Luck Chuck (I didn’t see it, just the previews made me sick). I saw a news story the other day that illustrated one of the many ways we are treated, and it broke my heart. A Rapper was in concert, and he said “all the beautiful ladies in this audience, get up on the stage and dance with me”, so girls started dancing up on the stage. The rapper started to laugh, and said “look ladies, if you weigh 200 pounds get off my stage”.

It was appalling to see the smiles wiped off their beautiful young faces, as the girls tried as quickly as possible to get off stage. They had done such a brave thing in getting up there. They gambled on the risky prospect of human kindness and lost. Any self-respect they might have desperately gained up to that point was shattered, and I know the pain they suffered. You probably do too. We suffer with them, knowing the world thinks of us, that we are gross, stupid, fools with no feelings.

Just as it must have felt hopeless to the lepers in Jesus’ time, we feel doomed to failure. We have tried, and hoped, and hoped and tried. Maybe this one will work; maybe this will be the one. How can being overweight be our fault, when we have tried so hard?

I understand how bad you want to be slim and healthy, I know because the desire to be thin consumed me. I was so humiliated about my weight. I hated to leave the house. I dreaded social situations. Even though he never said a word about my weight, I thought my husband was ashamed of me. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t lose the weight. Just like you, I felt doomed to failure.

This Bible study will show you the more will power you use, and the harder you try to lose weight, the heaver you will be. Dieting creates two obsessions. One, you become fixated on food, and two, you become fixated on your weight.

Believe me when I tell you, you are strong! You, yes you! You can be the person you want to be. The person God made you to be. It’s not about changing the food you eat. It’s about understanding and fixing the reasons you overeat. It’s about changing your wrong thinking into right thinking.

You have a problem with your weight because you eat more than your body uses, and in truth the answer is, stop eating more than your body needs. Don’t you wish it were that simple?

Diets try to convince us that we need to change the food we eat. They over simplify, and, over complicate the whole process. Wouldn’t it be easy if we could all just decide which diet was best for us, and then do it? If it was that clear-cut, obesity wouldn’t be the second highest preventable cause of death in America. I knew all that, but I couldn’t stop myself from overeating. I needed to find the reason I was overeating and why I couldn’t stop, that’s why I started to write this study. I was desperate, I always felt like I was in trouble with God. Writing this study I have come to know the character of our loving father and through studying His word, I found God is not mad at me at all.

A definition of sin as an act that hurts you or someone else, Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Notice the prerequisite for loving your neighbor is to love yourself).

Before I knew Him, I thought God was up in heaven somewhere saying, “FOLLOW THESE RULES BECAUSE I SAID SO, AND I -AM –THE- BOSS.

God has a plan for your life, and that plan includes you being joyful, and successful. He understands our weaknesses. Hebrews 4:15&16 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

God says gluttony is a sin (Proverbs 23:2) for good reason. Being overweight is a serious health condition that can lead to early death. People who are twenty percent heavier than their ideal weight are considered obese (determined by standard medical and insurance data). For example, the normal weight for woman who is 5’7" is 143 pounds, but they are considered obese if they weigh 189 pounds or above. http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

There are a so many medical problems associated with being overweight, including high blood pressure, heart problems, diabetes, sleep apnea, depression, and arthritis. These problems increase as your weight does. The heart of an obese person has to work harder causing congestive heart failure. Cardiovascular problems are common among obese people. High blood pressure can lead to the development of heart disease, kidney failure, and stroke.

God designed our bodies to need only so much food. Overeating puts too much sugar and fat in our system and our bodies can’t handle it, increasing the risk of developing type II diabetes.

My husband and I participated in a medical study at a University on how marriage affected blood pressure. They sent us to a lab for blood work. The lab was also conducting a five-year study on the morbidly obese. I had been on a diet and was almost at my goal weight (naturally, I gained it all back and more). The technician who was taking our health histories, said, “How refreshing, I’m used to patients having so many health issues because of their weight” she told me how much they suffer.

Hearing this broke my heart, because the memory how much it hurt being overweight was still fresh in my mind. How trapped and desperate I felt. How my ribs hurt how my knees and feet hurt. I was so tired and I hated myself, I knew the world thought I was just lazy and stupid.

I wanted to defend myself to everyone “I am trying to lose weight”, “the person inside here isn’t the person you see out there”, “and I’m trapped.” I felt like I wasn’t considered valuable. I felt useless and unloved, because I didn’t love myself. The world reserved its goodness for thin people, and the way most people treated me intensified my feelings, I felt people either dismissed me or patronized me. There were times I tried to dress up my fat and say I didn’t care. There were times I just gave up, and I would wear an old holey tee-shirt shirt and comfy bleach stained sweats everywhere. I hated how I looked, and felt, every moment of every single day.

God doesn’t see you that way, He sees the person He created in His image (Genesis 1:27). He sees the value of your eternal soul (Psalm 139: 1-18). You are important to God and He doesn’t want to see you live like this. It doesn’t make Him less of a God if you sin. If God didn’t love you, your pain wouldn’t hurt Him in the slightest. It’s your self-imposed suffering He labels as sin, God doesn’t condemn you, (John 3:17) All of us have sinned (Romans 3:23) He loves you.

Being overweight is not a sickness or an inherited problem. It’s the result of eating more than your body needs. You may say you have a slow metabolism, and it could be true, but it isn’t your get out of jail free card. It isn’t an excuse to eat more; it means your body doesn’t need as much food to maintain it.

I know the excuses from the medical world make us feel justified, but it doesn’t help our problem. If you think about it, and are honest with yourself those excuses dash all hope of ever being thin and healthy.

You are probably saying to yourself “I don’t need something else to make me feel guilty, I already feel Hopeless”, but I am here to declare to you that there is hope! You are going to tap into the power of the almighty God who created heaven and earth. The good news is because gluttony is a sin and not a defect; you have control of whether or not you participate in the sin. This Bible Study will help you understand the difference and apply the principles from the Bible to recognize and overcome Satan’s deception.

When I started writing this Bible Study I was well on my way to becoming another sad statistic. I weighed over two hundred pounds, had high blood pressure and high cholesterol. Food was the first thing I thought of when I woke up in the morning and the last thing I thought of when I went to sleep. I desired it beyond reason. The yearning to chew was irresistible and I couldn’t control it, I didn’t want to. The more I ate the more I needed. My desire for food was voracious and no matter how much I ate, the empty longing was never satisfied. Then one day my beautiful teenage foster daughter Mylissa walked through the front door, upset, with tears streaming down her sweet face, she told me she was hurt and humiliated, because a group of teenage boys drove by and yelled something about her being overweight. This beautiful sweet young girl, who had overcome so much in her life, was so wounded by these foolish boys, who had no idea of who she was as a person. I could feel her hurt and I wanted so much to help her.

I found a book on using the Bible as a diet guide. We started to read it, and even though I found the diet to be quite sensible, I realized the religious part of it was based on works. I found myself trying to explain why so much of it wasn’t Biblical and we finally gave up. I thought, "Somebody needs to write a real born again, Spirit filled Diet Bible study". I decided to write one for Mylissa and myself

I pray it will help you to find the truth about the emptiness we try so desperately to fill.
Understanding the things of the Spirit

You can’t understand the things of the spirit if you haven’t been born of the spirit, so having a relationship with Christ is a pre-requisite for this study.

I Corinthians 2:14 (NIV) says, 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I am not talking about religion; I mean having a relationship with Jesus Christ. God loves you so much He wants a relationship with you, and He has a plan for your life, but you need to be born of the Spirit. How do you become born of the spirit?

John 3:1-21 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Let’s take these verses one at a time. Nicodemus came to Jesus with questions, and at first Jesus, answers confused him. He asked, “How can a person be born again? Go back into his mother’s womb?” Jesus answer was “unless one is born of the water” (the womb) “and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” Take note of verse nine, Nicodemus says, “How can these things be?” He wanted to know how to be born of the Spirit, And Jesus gives him the answer, gives all of us the answer in verse fifteen.

“Whoever believes in Him (Jesus) should not perish but have eternal life.” God tells us in His word, He wants us all to be with Him in heaven (II Peter 3:9), yet heaven is a perfect place. God won’t let it be corrupted by sin, any sin. (Revelation 21:27), So unless you are perfect, without sin you are not allowed in heaven. However, we are all sinners and separated from God, so now what do we do? Jesus is the perfect Son of God and He took the punishment paying the price for our sin, because we couldn’t afford it, we can’t be perfect. It’s important we realize our need for Christ and accept Him as your own savior. Confess your sin and need for him.

Romans 10: 8 & 9 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
It’s as simple as acknowledging you are a sinner and believe in your heart Jesus died on the cross for your sin.

II Peter 3:9 God is not willing that any should perish but that all would come to repentance.

Pray a prayer like this, to Jesus, in your own words, and mean it with all your heart.
~Lord Jesus, I know I am a sinner, I believe You died for my sins. Right now, I receive You as my Savior, and ask You to forgive my sins. I acknowledge You are the Lord of my life and I turn my life over to you, and ask you to help me turn from my sin and turn to You.
Thank you my Lord in Jesus name amen. ~

Now you have prayed this prayer and meant it, God will begin to change you from the inside out; He will change your desires. In fact, your desire will be for the things of God.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

By grace you are saved—a gift from your Lord!

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The cost of sinning (wages) is death (separation from God) but the Gift is eternal life. You can’t be good enough to get to heaven on your own. It’s a gift!

Ryanne 10-04-2009 01:01 AM

She says what I am thinking...
 
God had shown me a lot of the truths that are in this Bible Study a while back and I was going along good, and then I don't know what happened, I believe I started getting caught back up in the "diet mentality" and definitely was over exercising to the point I couldn't see doing it for one more day, much less than the rest of my life.
I was spending hours at the gym, and I couldn't stand my trainer! I remember saying "I give up! I want to go back...I can't keep this up anymore!"
Now, with the wisdom of this study, I feel the timing is right for me, not only having Kelli's wisdom but to have all of your support. I know that we will all be free of gluttony and idolatry. I know that is my deepest desire now. God showed me a truth the other day...
"Being overweight is NOT the problem and losing the excess weight is NOT the answer. The problem is "gluttony". (Overeating, Eating when you're not really hungry, anticipating food too much, being too eager to eat,taking food with too much eagerness, to gulp down or swallow (eating too fast), over-indulgence and over-consumption of food or drink to the point of waste, eating voraciously, to squander, a misplaced desire of food or its withholding from the needy, also consists of an anticipation of meals, delicacies, sneaking food, not wanting to share, eating in secret to be left alone and not bothered so you can "enjoy" it...which it never truly satisfies the soul - only God can satisfy our spirit. Also waiting for the "time" to eat or wanting your body to HURRY UP and get hungry so you can eat, eating too expensively, eating too daintily, eating wildly.)

"It is not a sin to enjoy food or to feel pleasure in eating-God intended us to enjoy our food...but He didn't intend for us to "idolize" it. It is a defect to eat like beasts, through the soul motive of sensual gratification and without any reasonable object...If the motive is good and worthy, the most delicious foods can be eaten without sin." Author unknown.

This is WHY I want to be free of idolatry and gluttony. It is not fun to be in the grips of this horrible ball and chain.
Thank God we are free in Jesus! We are all walking out in freedom together! I'm so glad for your support! NIV© "For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them." :grouphug:

Ryanne 10-04-2009 07:17 AM

Week 1: Day 1
 
Flowers Over the Wall
Week 1: Day 1

Isaiah 49:23b (NIV) Those who hope in Me will not be disappointed."

It had been a rough week for me. I was sitting in church and I was mad at God. I was mad at the world, and I most of all I was mad at myself, in fact I hated myself. I thought the reason I hated myself was that I was fat. It was sometime in the early 1990’s, I hadn’t been saved long, and all my self worth was centered on what I looked like.

As I sat there, I thought about how I had run into an old friend and the thought hurt because I still had his words ringing in my head. He had introduced me to a buddy of his, and his comment to his friend was “She used to be real good-looking until she had a kid and packed on forty pounds.” Apparently, he didn’t think that should hurt a fat girl.

I had met this old friend at a disco I worked at before I got married, and in that environment, around closing time, the compliments come in fast and furious. The only positive reinforcement I got was from men about my looks, and when they faded, as they always do, I was worthless in my own eyes. The sexual abuse I had endured as a child only reinforced my feelings. What made it worse was my highest level of education was seventh grade, so I knew I didn’t have a leg to stand on there.

Even though my husband constantly reassured me that he loved me, I was always afraid he would leave me. I didn’t believe he could still be in love with me He had married me when I was skinny. I was desperate to be thin again.

As I sat in church waiting for the service to begin, I thought back and remembered why I was mad at God. I decided I was going to pray and have faith God would do a miracle and make me skinny –down to a certain weight in exactly one month. I was used to getting on the scale every day, sometimes three or four times a day, but I decided for that month I would stay off them. I had a hard time waiting, so by the time the day came I was excited, I just knew God would do a miracle. I stepped up on the scale and… it hadn’t moved one millimeter. I was bitterly disappointed and furious with God. I was crying and praying, I opened the Bible and read,

Isaiah 49:23b (NIV) Those who hope in Me will not be disappointed."

I remember being enraged. I called God a liar. I was so mad.
I was disappointed; I felt He had let me down. I remember saying to Him, I did hope in you, this is your Word, and You promise we won’t be disappointed, You let me down!

I was still mad at God when the church service began. I couldn’t even get into the worship; usually the part I love the most. The Pastor started reading the text for the sermon that day, I was surprised because it was the same text I had been reading when I got so mad at God,

Isaiah 49:23b (NIV) Those who hope in Me will not be disappointed."

I was shocked when, in that church with over five-hundred people listening, the pastor said something along the lines of “somebody sitting here today, read that scripture this last week and was mad at God. It’s not acceptable to talk to God like that, you need to respect Him, but still, He wants you to know He will answer your prayer, not because of your righteousness, but for His Glory, and you will not be disappointed, but He will fulfill the promise in His time. Then he went on with his sermon, it was about trials and the blessings that come from trials.

The pastor related an incident in his life. He said he used to love to look at the fields out his back window. He loved to sit at his kitchen table and watch the wind make the stalks sway, so he was particularly disappointed when a contractor started building a subdivision right behind his house. Where lovely swaying grass once grew, was torn up, the ground full of pockmarks where foundations for new houses were being dug. He tried to give it to God, but the more he thought about it the angrier he got.

He knew it was silly to be so upset about an earthly thing, but he just couldn’t help it. He had enjoyed his view so much. He finally started becoming used to the idea, when his new neighbor moved in; he thought that maybe they could become friends.

Imagine his disappointment when the neighbor started building an ugly, Grey, ten foot, cinder-block wall. He built his wall so tall, my pastor could barley see the roof of this neighbor’s house. The pastor was ashamed to admit it, but he felt bitter against his neighbor every time he looked at the wall.

However, something started to happen over time, little flowers started peeking up over the wall, and then more flowers of different types and colors started to spill over. Slowly but surely the ugly wall became a mass of beautiful flowers. He said the effect was breathtaking and priceless. It was the focal point of his whole yard, and was so much better then the wheat grass that had him so enamored. He felt grateful to his neighbor for this wonderful gift.

He said sometimes God works like that, He may not take the problems away immediately, but like flowers over an ugly wall our problems can bloom and grow and fill us with joy. At the time, even though I knew God was talking to me, that sermon didn’t hit home. I thought Okay now I will be healed of my eating addiction because God spoke directly to me… but no I was still as addicted as ever.

Many years later when God did heal me, I recalled the sermon and gratitude overwhelmed me for the trial of being overweight. The flowers I have enjoyed through the years, searching for an answer to my problem, have filled my life with beauty. I am so grateful that God gave me the gift of being overweight. My weight problem brought me unimaginable joy, it brought me to my knees, It made me seek God, It made me see the beauty is my soul, the eternal part of me. The reason outer beauty is so important to the world is because Satan makes the least of us the most important part.

So here it is, I offer it to you, just as it is, seventh grade grammar problems and all. I would have been too embarrassed a few years ago to present such a deformed offering, but now I know God will use it, because in my weakness He is strong.

2 Corinthians 12:9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Let’s Get Started!

I struggled with my weight for seventeen years, I prayed every single day many times a day that God would help me lose weight. At times, I thought it was a test and in Gods time, He would make me thin, I thought it was God making me overweight. I would try to smile, and say, “I need to be happy with the way God made me.” The whole time feeling miserable, because the last thing I wanted was to be overweight for the rest of my life. This way of thinking also meant there was no hope of me ever being thin.

Almost every diet I tried started by telling me how their diet is different. I would always hope this one was different. I tried almost every diet on the market, praying that God would help me stay on them, and then I would fall short again. After so many failed attempts, I felt God was inaccessible because He wasn’t answering my prayers. I felt hopeless, like such a failure because nothing worked for me. I had a love hate relationship with food and was afraid of it, I would deny myself the foods I loved then “blow it” by binging.

Then at some stage during this confusion and sadness, I started realizing diets don’t work, because they don’t address the real problem they just cover it up. I had to figure out what my problem was. Why did I run to the refrigerator whenever I was bored, sad, tired, or when any other unpleasant emotion struck me?

I found that when I overate I was trying to dull pain. Food gave me temporary satisfaction. As I was swallowing massive amounts of food, I could zone out. I ran to food trying to fill a need, I found it didn’t work. The more I ate the hungrier I was. I found that running to anything other than God for fulfillment is spiritual Idolatry.

God created us with a need for a relationship with Him. We try to fill the God sized desire with food and it won’t satisfy our need, no matter how much we eat. Let me say that again, food will never satisfy that longing need, you can eat, and eat, and eat, and you can get fatter, and fatter, and fatter.

God created foods that taste good for our pleasure. However, He never intended for us to over indulge, lust, bow down, think about, and be greedy for food. Overeating will never satisfy and will lead to discontentment and hurt. That’s not God’s will for you.

The desire to be thin is not vanity. Our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit your good stewardship of it is as important as anything God has given you. God says in the Bible, gluttony is a sin. However, dieting only exacerbates the problem. Diets only work on changing what foods you eat. We have to change the content of our hearts. We need to find the reason we are overeating. God’s made our bodies with a perfect system for regulating how much we should eat and when we over do it, our stomachs become numb to being full and our hearts become hard and insensitive.

READ: Hebrews 3:12-15 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 15 while it is said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.
It is hard to think you are sinning when you are so sad. You already feel condemned and I understand how bad you want to stop and so does God. You have had these habits for so long, they are so ingrained in your mind that you think it is something happening to you. How can it be a sin if you are a victim? Remember the definition of sin is an action that hurts you. We will use the Bible to understand and fix your compulsion to overeat.

This study will examine the Bible to find the answers to our dieting dilemma. The Study is designed to do five days a week, for about Thirty minutes a day. Don’t try to breeze through it quickly, it’s meant for study and contemplation.

Some of the points used in this study may seem redundant. I have found it easier to understand a concept if I hear it more than once.

At the end of each day’s lesson, there are three activities. I have a scripture passage that relates to the study. You should use your Bible and study it.

Then I’ll ask you to memorize one scripture a week. This is a very important step in your recovery because the Bible is the weapon you use to fight Satan and is the only thing that can break the bonds Satan has you tied with.

I have a difficult time memorizing anything so every day I’ll take out words. Try to fill in the blanks with out looking at the scripture. I have found this is useful for me. If you are one of those blessed individuals who find it easy to memorize then use your own method, whatever is easier for you, do.

The next activity is to review the lesson pray, and ask God to show you one or more statements or Scriptures from the study He wants you to understand, learn, or practice. This is a personal question and applies only to you it has no right or wrong answer.

The last question is asks what steps of faith God wants you to take toward him today. Spend a little time praying; ask God how He may want you to respond to this question. Then I’ll also ask you to reword that statement or Scripture into an expression of faith. That simply means you affirm your belief that God will give you the strength and faith to take those steps. This should become a time of prayer and meditation each day as you ask God what He wants you to do in response to each days study. The following is an example of the way I might have responded to today’s study.

In light of today’s study, what was the scripture or statement in today’s lesson that most spoke to your heart? God created food to taste good for our pleasure. However, God never intended for us to over indulge, lust, bow down, think about, and be greedy for food.

What steps of faith does God want you to take towards Him today? He wants me stop thinking about, worshiping, and being greedy for food.

Rephrase the scripture or statement into an expression of faith: God thank you, for creating delicious food for me to enjoy. I believe you have given me self-control so I will not bow down and worship what you have created for my pleasure. I’ll only worship you.

God is brilliant, and His Bible is our Manual, by following God’s Holy Book, we find the answers for life’s problems.

We have to surrender our weight problem to God. When you stop running to the refrigerator for physical pleasure and comfort, you will start eating normal foods God created for you to enjoy. You will be eating only when you are actually hungry, you’ll be eating about half, or even less of what you have been, and you will lose weight.

Read Matthew: 6:31-34

In light of today’s study, what was the scripture or statement in today’s lesson that most spoke to your heart? __________________________________________________ ________
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What steps of faith does God want you to take towards Him today? ____________________
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Memory Verse: Isaiah 55:9 “ For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Ryanne 10-04-2009 08:01 AM

Sunday:
 
"Almost every diet I tried started by telling me how their diet is different. I would always hope this one was different. I tried almost every diet on the market, praying that God would help me stay on them, and then I would fall short again. After so many failed attempts, I felt God was inaccessible because He wasn’t answering my prayers. I felt hopeless, like such a failure because nothing worked for me. I had a love hate relationship with food and was afraid of it, I would deny myself the foods I loved then “blow it” by binging.

Then at some stage during this confusion and sadness, I started realizing diets don’t work, because they don’t address the real problem they just cover it up. I had to figure out what my problem was. Why did I run to the refrigerator whenever I was bored, sad, tired, or when any other unpleasant emotion struck me?

I found that when I overate I was trying to dull pain. Food gave me temporary satisfaction. As I was swallowing massive amounts of food, I could zone out. I ran to food trying to fill a need, I found it didn’t work. The more I ate the hungrier I was. I found that running to anything other than God for fulfillment is spiritual Idolatry.

God created us with a need for a relationship with Him. We try to fill the God sized desire with food and it won’t satisfy our need, no matter how much we eat. Let me say that again, food will never satisfy that longing need, you can eat, and eat, and eat, and you can get fatter, and fatter, and fatter.

God created foods that taste good for our pleasure. However, He never intended for us to over indulge, lust, bow down, think about, and be greedy for food. Overeating will never satisfy and will lead to discontentment and hurt. That’s not God’s will for you.

The desire to be thin is not vanity. Our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit your good stewardship of it is as important as anything God has given you. God says in the Bible, gluttony is a sin. However, dieting only exacerbates the problem. Diets only work on changing what foods you eat. We have to change the content of our hearts. We need to find the reason we are overeating. God’s made our bodies with a perfect system for regulating how much we should eat and when we over do it, our stomachs become numb to being full and our hearts become hard and insensitive.

God is brilliant, and His Bible is our Manual, by following God’s Holy Book, we find the answers for life’s problems.

We have to surrender our weight problem to God."


This is exactly what I did and how I felt. I felt like a failure since diets seemed to work for "everyone else and not me". I realized that diets don't work for everyone else, yes, they will take the weight off, calories in versus calories out, but the problem is STILL THERE!!! The problem is gluttony and idol worship.
I have to share this, because it's important to me....
I have been praying and believing God daily over this eating and drinking thing, right? So I had been drinking just water, the occasional fat free milk, and lemon tea...for MONTHS I stayed away from soda. So the other day, and I didn't realize this then, but I was thinking "well, if I drink what I want, that will help to keep me full and help me to not have food on my mind so much". So I bought some cappaccino and some diet soda. I have been trying to enjoy it, the cappaccino is gross, and for some reason, I was getting a check in my spirit with the soda. I know that I want to bring glory to God in my eating AND drinking. So the thing is, God showed me that I was looking back to what worked for me before, and so I was trying to help myself. OUCH! I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the drinks themselves, it was my frame of mind. I didn't realize this was what I was doing until this morning, even though I have been dealing with the check in my spirit for about a week or so now. I was just doing it with a wrong spirit. Trying to "help" myself. What was God's plan for me? Well, something I discovered quite by accident... I used to leave Christian music on in my home all the time, well I hadn't done this for probably a good nine months or so, so I put some praise and worship on all day yesterday, and it really seemed to help with the cravings/temptations. I was still tempted, but it seemed easier to resist. God is so good! :D Another thing I realized today, is that I am sooooo like a toddler! God will show me a truth sometimes, like "don't eat when you are not hungry" and I'll go "OH, Ok God, thank you" then go about trying to do it in my own power. Like a little kid, "I DO IT MYSELF"...lol. Not anymore, that is NOT what I want. Jesus is my Daily Bread and I know "of myself I can do nothing". I don't care how thin I am, if I still have gluttony for a problem, it doesn't matter. I would be thin and MISERABLE! I will wait on God and let Him teach me in His timing. Amen. I only want His best for me.
Anyway, it's raining out this morning, so I need to take husband to work so I can have the car for Church, doesn't look like I'll be walking to Church today...lol. I will be back in after Church. Have a wonderful Sunday all! I appreciate you all sooooo much!!!!

Kelli 10-04-2009 11:21 AM

Good Morning!

I can't tell you how excited I am about this support group! I know that I know, that I know, you will all be successful in your weight loss... How do I know??? Because, I know this study is from God, how do I know it's from God??? Because only God could have accomplished this.

Not long ago, I felt a desire to share the study, by posting it here (3FC), but I just couldn't believe that I could write something worthwhile. In fact when Ryann said something about me "having wisdom" (she is so sweet) I felt embarrassed, because I so do not have wisdom, that's why I know God is truly in this study. I hope you don't mind but I'm taking an excerpt from the very end of the study because I just want to share how special this is to me, and how humbled and grateful I am that God could use me.

Quote:

When I read back through this study, I am shocked at what God has done! I have never been able to write or speak clearly. I used to have a boss, she had a gift of writing, she told me her idea of fun was to structure sentences??? Because I was so bad at writing, she asked me to let her review correspondence before I mailed them. I would dread taking it to her, because even though she was nice about it, I was humiliated, because the letters would always come back full of red inked corrections.

My spelling is atrocious, If I don’t have spell check, I am in big trouble. I’ve never really been tested, but I am sure I have learning disabilities in Math and English. To me they both are written in a different language. Noun, clause, pronoun, predicate, especially predicate… I have read the definition for predicate at least a dozen times and still have no Idea what the heck it is!!! I have tried and tried to make sure I am structuring the sentences I write properly. But I don’t speak grammar so how can I correct what I have written!

I had the privilege of being the Children’s Ministry Director at a church I was attending in Utah. The Pastors wife had been writing the Sunday school curriculum. She was trying to get four years worth, and then she would use them over for the next set of kids coming in, that way they never had the same lesson twice. She was almost finished and had only about a year left to do. It was becoming hard for her to fit in her schedule, because of the growth of the church and her involvement with Women’s ministry, so I felt God wanted me to take over the children’s curriculum. The Pastor and his wife felt that was a good idea too, until she started reading what I had written… I’m sure it was hard for the Pastor to make that phone call to tell me I was ruining what his wife had worked so hard on. It’s funny, that was the first time I had ever admitted to being a 7th grade drop-out to anyone but my family. When I told my Pastor, I was so humiliated about that. Now I am so proud of it. I tell everyone. It just shows what God can do.

My poor Mom used to read things I would write, and the whole time she was doing it, she would shake her head, with a half smiling, respelling a word to me or correcting a grammar mistake.

Needless to say I did not have a lot of confidence where my writing was concerned. It used to be, that every time I met another Christian who wrote well, I would think, maybe God brought this person into my life so they could take Flowers Over The Wall, and rewrite it. I asked my husband to help me rewrite it, he tried to help but he was going to school and just didn’t have time. I asked my gifted with words, youngest daughter Tayler to help me write it when she was only thirteen. It was way too overwhelming for her. I have looked up editors online (they are all very expensive). I thought my job was to compile the information and then God would send someone along to put it all together. One time while trying to think of a way to get the non-Christian boss I mentioned earlier, to rewrite it for me, God spoke to my heart and said, “I chose you to write the study, so the “you’s” of this world could read it”. In other words, God chose me, so other 7th grade dropouts, who have ADD with learning disabilities, could read and understand it.

One day, I was talking with my husband about my frustration in not being able to lose weight. I had been writing this study, I should say compiling this study, for over nine years, how could I have been studying a subject for nine years and still not “get it”. Todd (my husband) asked me, “Have you ever gone through and done your Bible study?” I was taken aback by his question. It never occurred to me that through all the study and the compiling of nine years, I had never actually done the study day by day. He suggested that I not edit it or make any changes, just study it as if someone else had written it.

I cannot express to you how shocked I was! I had just compiling stuff! If I heard a sermon or phrase that touched me, I would write it down, then throw it in the study where I thought it might fit. I was amazed at how the studies flowed together day by day! It wasn’t until I had gone through it that I realized I was actually writing the study and not just assembling information for someone else to write.

I know there are still a lot of grammar mistakes, I know I haven’t capitalized were I should have capitalized, or I have put too many or not enough commas. I know I have used a wrong word or tow, because I have depended on spell check, and it doesn’t fix things like when I am trying to say two instead of tow. I know it is full of little red and green squiggly lines, (if you use a word processing program with auto-spell check) But In my weakness I can boast that I know God will use my flaws to help others who, like me, have limitations. I am so surprised at what God has done and if you knew what kind of a writer I was, and how embarrassed I was of my writing you would be surprised too.

It is hard for me to grasp, that something I was so ashamed of (my writing) is the thing God used as my life’s work! And He proves that it doesn’t matter if you are a 7th grade drop-out with ADD, learning disabilities and Body dysmorphic disorder (really bad self esteem issues).who was abused, neglected, married at 14, divorced at 19, drug taking, suicidal, messy, and unorganized, person, can do all things through Christ!

God isn’t interested in your abilities, He is interested in your availability. If you tell God “you can’t” you are really saying “He can’t. It’s not about what you can or can’t do. Or even what you think you are gifted or non-gifted in.
I mentioned earlier how I was so reluctant to post this on 3FC, because I felt I couldn't write anything worthwhile, when God gave me this Scripture:

Psalm 19:7 7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;


I looked up synonyms for the word "Testimony", and it is "Authentication". So I have a this Scripture above my computer screen, but it says.

Psalm 19:7 7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul;
The authentication of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;


Just in case I start thinking it has anything to do with me again...

Sorry that was so long...

Now finally here is the Scripture or statement that most spoke to my heart from the study, it isn't actually from the study but from something Ryann wrote.

Quote:

"Being overweight is NOT the problem and losing the excess weight is NOT the answer. The problem is "gluttony". (Overeating, Eating when you're not really hungry, anticipating food too much, being too eager to eat,taking food with too much eagerness, to gulp down or swallow (eating too fast), over-indulgence and over-consumption of food or drink to the point of waste, eating voraciously, to squander, a misplaced desire of food or its withholding from the needy, also consists of an anticipation of meals, delicacies, sneaking food, not wanting to share, eating in secret to be left alone and not bothered so you can "enjoy" it...which it never truly satisfies the soul - only God can satisfy our spirit. Also waiting for the "time" to eat or wanting your body to HURRY UP and get hungry so you can eat, eating too expensively, eating too daintily, eating wildly.)
I have been trying to figure out why I eat so fast (still am trying to quit that) and what is in the act of "swallowing" that makes it so irresistible???

When I do eat slow the feeling of the food in my mouth is sort of gross??? And I just can't wait to swallow it!

I think what God has been teaching me lately is "The whole avoiding the real issues in my life by zoning out and over eating is not just in the food going into my mouth, but the whole process of "dieting" the overwhelming thought process that goes into dieting, (weighing, measuring, counting calories, avoiding some foods, the highs that comes with success and starting something new, the lows and guilt that comes with failure.) All that thought and preparation helps us to avoid our real issues and overrides thoughts of what is really hurting, and it's easier than facing those feelings. I don't know if that made sense...

AAARRRGGGG! I just realized how long this is... I do go on and on don't I!!!

Love you all, I have to go get ready for church!

Kelli

Bootsie 10-04-2009 11:36 AM

Good Morning Ryanne and all,
I started dieting when I was 10 years old and now today at 56 I still am dieting trying to loose that extra baggage. My Mother and Dad knew nothing about healthy eating and never taught me or tried to help me. I did not even realize I was fat for my age until I over heard my Mom , sister and brother-in-law making fun of me. I remember that day, Mom came back in the house and I was crying and she said what is wrong with you. I told her I over heard and she just laughed and said Well You are fat! Just left the room laughing. I was 10 and I sure could of used some help from my Mother to help me take control instead of feeding me a platter of french fries covered with gravy for breakfast. Hamburger and french fries for dinner and a chicken fried steak with all the trimmings for supper. That is what I had everyday almost, no wonder I was fat.I never ate sweets unless it was Thanksgiving or Christmas.

I know what gluttony is and yes I am a glutton, I know that and it is a never ending fight within me to gain control of my eating habits but I can do it, by feeding on the word of Jesus every day, it is getting easier. I also know that I don't have to eat everything on my plate and learning to choose more healthy foods, wish my Mom & Dad had learned that, they might still be around today or at least got to see their great grandchildren.

Today Jesus I am planting my seed of commitment, and release my faith unto you. I am weak in will power but I have learned that leaning to you and absorbing your word ,Jesus you make me stronger.I know that with you I can become a better person and loose all the weight I want too, but I have to do my part.Thank You for giving us new chances, and today is the start of a new chance to become the person you want me to be! I am your work in progress. Amen
I have two scales one says I weigh 6 pounds more than the other scale, hmmm I been going by the less scale it says i weigh as today 194, that means I gained 2 pounds yesterday, hmmm.. my other scale says I weigh 199. Instead of going with the lesser scale I think I am going to go with the one that says 199, now my goal for October is 7 pounds loss, if I loose more that is great but I am going to shoot for a 7 pound goal. That will be 5 pounds and those 2 I regained yesterday!

Ryanne 10-04-2009 12:38 PM

I don't know about you....
 
But I am tired tired tired of people who are perfect writing perfect books! I know no one is perfect, but what I am saying is that a lot of people "act like" they have it all together, and they really don't then they write a book that they are an expert on "how to" and don't do it themselves, nor could they ever really keep up with it all anyway. I want real people with real struggles and real dependence on Jesus to learn from and to be called my friends.
Kelli, you wouldn't know by this study that you only have a limited education. I cannot get over the wisdom in this study! God is soooo good! The thing is I would rather have your study that is real and maybe has human flaws than to have something that is "perfectly" done and not give me anything I could use or need.
I like your study just the way it is, and when I see something spelled wrong, I smile! I LOVE IT! Jesus does, too!
Bootsie, we are not alone anymore, we have real victory, the lasting kind...Dare to HOPE, Bootsie! Believe! And God heal our unbelief, in Jesus' Name...Amen!
I love you guys!:D

Another thing, I want you to feel free to post and write all you want to, because that is how we learn. I want to glean all I can from you guys cuz I can use all the help I can get!!!

pattygirl63 10-04-2009 03:35 PM

Great posts everyone.

As I read the Introduction and the words "UNCLEAN, UNCLEAN" and how people seem to think of us as unclean, John 15:3 came to me. Jesus said to his disciples "You are already clean because of the Word I have spoken to you". Yes I am over weight and obviously I eat more than my body needs, but I am not "unclean". I feel or have felt everything Kellie described in the lesson and that each of you have.

I was not over weight until I was 20 yeras old. Food never held a place of priority until then. I ate 2 meals a day and a snack was rare. I probably did not eat enough. I had fainting spells and no one, not even the doctor knew why. I gained weight when I started eating 3 meals a day + a shake at the drugstore each evening with my friends when I was in college. Still I was active enough that I didn't gain all that much and my clothes still fit.

When I went to live with my aunt, she insisted on 3 meals a day. That is when the yo-yo dieting started... 46 yrs ago. I would go to diet doctors and lose, but always gain it back and more. For years I would look at a diet and think, "that is too much food, I can't eat all that food. I'll gain weight". Even my thin sister-in-law said the same thing. She ate like I did when I was thin and she still was thin.

Looking at the diets, it didn't look like I was overeating. I joined Overeater's Anonymous and started a group in my home. My sister-in-law above used to say she didn't know why was in that group, she said "You are not an Overeater". Yes, I have become an overeater. When I started eating the way people say is "normal" eating, I started "overeating" for my body.

Bootsie I saw you mention to someone on Encouragers about Sugar Busters. I had that book years ago. Still have the book on tape somewhere, but it must be packed somewhere or got lost when we moved from FL to SC. I checked it out. That is basically the way I eat now. So I printed it out for some guidelines, because there is no way I can eat as much food as their Pyramid shows. Is the thread on 3fc where you go or on the Sugar Busters website? Didn't know whether to join because I will do it more along Intuitive Eating guidelines rather than theirs. I like the idea of eating when I'm hungry not because it is time to eat.

That brings me to another thought from something one of you mentioned earlier... Ryanne I think it was. No one diet fits all. Someone can give you a basic idea and it might work for them the way they tell people to do it, but there are some of us that cannot as I said earlier can not eat as much food as other people do. I am in the process of learning that just because it is on my plate doesn't mean I have to eat it all. In fact, I purposely leave at least one bite on my plate to teach me that I don't have to eat it all.

I recently realized that "diets" became my priority. It took up so much of my time that I had no time to read my Bible or anything else. I was constantly reading "diets". I could start a diet library with my own books that I have. God has to have FIRST place in my life and not a diet. One of the major things that I've learned from this Bible Study of Kellie's in the past 9 weeks or so is this. Satan tempted Eve in the garden with a piece of fruit and he has been tempting me with forbidden foods for 46+ years through "diets". Also, I just week in my BSF lessons, that when we were sinners, we did things the way the world did them, but now we are a New creation in Christ Jesus. Now we are supposed to learn to do things "God's Way". Thus these lessons.

Girls we've been trying things the old way "world's way" and nothing worked for us. Now through these lessons, God has given us a New Path to follow so that we can learn God's Way of losing the weight. I see it this way, who knows my body and its needs better than the One Who created it.

Kellie I agree. We will lose the weight doing this together. And as Bootsie God brought us all together. Since it is His doing, then He has the plan for each one of us as we lean on Him and put our complete trust in Him.

Sorry, I made mine too long too.

Small groups Bible study at church in a couple of hours so will go. Catch y'all tomorrow.

Have a great Sunday evening.

Oh I told a natural sister and an spiritual sister about our group. Hope they decide to come join us.

Ryanne 10-04-2009 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pattygirl63 (Post 2955591)

Girls we've been trying things the old way "world's way" and nothing worked for us. Now through these lessons, God has given us a New Path to follow so that we can learn God's Way of losing the weight. I see it this way, who knows my body and its needs better than the One Who created it.

YUP! ;) One thing that I wanted to let you guys know, is that, I have been resisting temptation like gluttony still has me captive, and Jesus HAS ALREADY set us free! We need to walk in our freedom! So I need to change my mindset and say, I AM ALREADY FREE!!! Praise Jesus!

Kelli 10-04-2009 06:19 PM

Church was so cool today, The Pastor was teaching on Mark 5:34 And He said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well. Go in peace, and be healed of your affliction.” It's about the woman who had an issue of blood for 12 years and she reached out and touched Jesus' hem.

He said this woman would be one step up from a leper. A woman on her period was considered unclean. He said the Bible says she spent all her money on quack doctors. He said one of the remedies of that day for hemorrhaging was to take the ashes of a ostrich egg, and carry it around with you. In the winter you carried it a leather pouch and a linen pouch in the summer. Or you could use a grain of barley dipped in donkey dung... Just weird stuff and she probably desperately tried everyone of them.

It reminded me of how it was with me before I stopped dieting. I had this affliction that made me feel out of sync with normal society, I tried all the crazy diets. The tomato juice and egg diet, the grapefruit diet, watermelon diet... Right now my unsaved sister is on the HCG diet which involves eating 600 calories a day for thirty days while giving yourself a daily injection of the urine of a pregnant woman!!!! seriously we are desperate.

The Pastor said, with all the throngs of people touching Jesus in the crowd, bumping and shoving, what was different about this woman's touch. He said she reached out and touched Him in faith. And Jesus said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well. Go in peace, and be healed of your affliction.”

I know God has healed me, I may get a little sidetracked sometimes and think I have to pick it back up and control it, but then He shows me to just trust Him with it.

You guys are posting such wonderful insights, we could write another study with all of them!!!

Bootsie 10-04-2009 11:19 PM

Trish there is a Sugarbuster site and it is very private which I like I went there today and I do have the book. I have not got to post on their site yet they need to check me out and make sure I won't cause harm to their site. Ha! I really don't know how they go about that. I got the book at the garage sale for 25 cents saved about 20 dollars or more, most libraries have it.
I have been having a hard time posting , it would let me read but every time i tried to post I would loose the web site. It is the weather I am sure . I guess I better post before it does it again!

Ryanne 10-05-2009 07:38 AM

Week 1: Day 2
 
Week 1 Day 2
The Diet
Day ___________________________ Date ___________________________

Start now:
Romans 7:4-25 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Eat what you want:
The previous scriptures talk about how we are weak in our flesh, and how we try to make rules and follow them. We have diet and health rules, which seem to change daily. With this diet there are no rules, you can eat anything you want, if you want a candy bar for breakfast eat it! If you want another for lunch go ahead, if one for dinner, yes, go for it! I guarantee you won’t want another one for your next meal. This diet takes the attention off the food and places it on God. The more you focus on food the more you want it and it becomes an obsession.

God formed our bodies to know what they need. Because God created our taste buds, He knows our likes and dislikes, so don’t be afraid to have your favorites. Let the system God made for you take over. When I first started this program, I went crazy and had many small bites of everything I had denied myself for so long because I was so excited about my newfound freedom. You can eat anything you want! Jesus declared all foods clean!

READ: Mark 7: 18 –23 So He said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?” 20And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”

See, Jesus said in the above scripture, don’t focus on the food, focus on your spiritual health.

Slow down:
It takes approximately twenty minutes for your brain to sense you are satisfied and your blood sugars are replenished. If you eat slower, you will be able to recognize Gods built it cues. The cues are easy to recognize if you are paying attention and know what to look for. You start to notice the food doesn’t tastes as good, and you are feeling satisfied, when you say to yourself, "I think I'm getting satisfied", STOP EATING! That is God’s prompting, it’s at this time you have satisfied your body’s need for fuel and it’s time to stop eating, now! Don’t worry; you’ll be hungry again in three to four hours. It used to be when I would begin to feel this way, I’d start eating faster so I could be sure to get it all stuffed in before I got to full, that habit was a huge factor in maintaining my plump figure.

Don’t worry if you accidentally eat more than you need, God knows your heart. He understands your weakness and loves you. When I would catch my toddlers misbehaving, I would give them to the count of three to stop. I would start counting “one” and usually they would begin to pull away from the misdeed and turn towards me. I would never have punished my child if they had already turned and started towards me accidentally fell and couldn’t make it by the count of three. God is so much more merciful than we are. He knows when we are trying to be obedient.



Only Eat What You REALLY Like: Don’t eat anything you don’t like, and make sure you eat what you like the most, first. You are probably doing just the opposite and saving the best for last! Think about it, that’s setting you up to fail. You will need to retrain yourself to do the exact opposite. You will eat the juicy, sweet, most yummy items first and save the dry things, you don’t like as much for last.

I even eat my dessert right along with my meal. That way I don’t have to worry about saving room for it. You can’t tell when you’re going to get full and it won’t be as hard to stop if the food left on your plate is your least favorite.

Have you ever tried to eat a donut without the frosting? It tastes like bad white bread. It’s no big deal to let that part go. You should even eat your favorite parts of food within the food. I like to eat the crunchy salty crust off a fat French-fry first, and leave the soft mushy grainy stuff on my plate! I know this sounds extreme, but the point is, you should only eat what you really like. Don’t worry so much about wasting food. Have you ever watched a toddler eat? They haven’t learned the clean plate rule yet. They pick the food to pieces, eating only what they like. Don’t ever teach your kids “the clean plate” rule or your setting them up for a lifetime of weight issues.

The Bible says in Romans 14:20a Don’t destroy the work of God for the sake of food.

Read what God told an Old Testament king when he was worried about wasting money.

II Chronicles 25:5-9 Moreover Amaziah gathered Judah together and set over them captains of thousands and captains of hundreds, according to their fathers’ houses, throughout all Judah and Benjamin; and he numbered them from twenty years old and above, and found them to be three hundred thousand choice men, able to go to war, who could handle spear and shield. 6 He also hired one hundred thousand mighty men of valor from Israel for one hundred talents of silver. 7 But a man of God came to him, saying, “O king, do not let the army of Israel go with you, for the LORD is not with Israel—not with any of the children of Ephraim. 8 But if you go, be gone! Be strong in battle! Even so, God shall make you fall before the enemy; for God has power to help and to overthrow.”
9 Then Amaziah said to the man of God, “But what shall we do about the hundred talents which I have given to the troops of Israel?” And the man of God answered, “The LORD is able to give you much more than this.”

The food isn’t more valuable than your body. Look at what happed to the Israelites when they tried to save extra manna the manna turned to maggots!

Exodus 16:17-21 Then the children of Israel did so and gathered, some more, some less. 18So when they measured it by omers, he who gathered much had nothing left over, and he who gathered little had no lack. Every man had gathered according to each one's need. 19And Moses said, "Let no one leave any of it till morning.” 20Notwithstanding they did not heed Moses. But some of them left part of it until morning, and it bred worms and stank. And Moses was angry with them. 21So they gathered it every morning, every man according to his need. And when the sun became hot, it melted.

If you want to eat desert first, go ahead! I usually eat my desert with my meal, that way I know I can be sure I won’t be too full by the time I get to it. It’s ok to be excited about this newfound freedom. God designed your body to crave what it needs, that’s why you don’t like to eat leftovers three days in a row.

Trust God and soon you will learn how much food you should take, so you won’t waste as much. Don’t worry God doesn’t mind if you waste a little until you learn how much it takes to make you full. I know this because there are many instances in the Bible where God tells His children to destroy all the booty left after a battle. I am sure it seemed wasteful to them but was necessary to preserve the purity of Gods children, it’s the same with us. It’s more important we keep ourselves from the destruction of our bodies.

Beverages:
The only thing I would caution you on is sugary drinks. You should be careful about drinking them between meals, because they don’t really satisfy your hunger, yet are so high in calories. Between meals, you can drink diet soda, black coffee, tea, and if you like your tea and coffee sweetened, you can use one of the artificial sweeteners on the market, or you can drink a nice cold glass of ice water. Feel free to have sugar in your coffee with breakfast just don’t drink it all day. You should always consider sugary drinks part of the meal.

It’s hard to remember to drink at eight glasses of water a day, but it’s good for you. I have worked at Boy Scout camp for a number of summers, and you must stay hydrated. It is the difference between feeling lousy or feeling energized and good. I tend to mistake being thirsty or tired for being hungry. However don’t overdo it; drinking too much water can be bad for you as well, do all things in moderation.

Trust God, The Bible lets us know, our bodies “are fearfully and wonderfully made,” don’t make it too hard. There are no set rules, you are an individual and God will have a separate plan for each of us. Remember you are learning and God knows your heart.

Read Isaiah 55

In light of today’s study, what was the scripture or statement in today’s lesson that most spoke to your heart? __________________________________________________ ________
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What steps of faith does God want you to take towards Him today? ____________________
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Rephrase the scripture or statement into an expression of faith_________________________
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Scripture to memorize this week

Isaiah 55:9 For as the _________ are higher than the ______, so are My _____ higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Ryanne 10-05-2009 07:52 AM

This is right on time...
 
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Originally Posted by Ryanne (Post 2956312)
Romans 7:4-25 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.



I want to comment on this part for right now, since God gave me an ephiphany on this just this morning. Then I want to get out for a walk. When husband is off to work, I will do the rest of the study.
I remember a few years ago when I had some revelation on this, as the Spirit grows stronger, the flesh gets weaker. My spirit is the "Real Me".
Well, I remember the feeling that I had that "He must increase and I must decrease". I had a root of rejection, so I thought that what that meant is that God didn't want me, even in my own body. I was sad, but I said "okay". I tried for a while, to do the things that I "thought" God would want, saying always, it is about Jesus, not about me. I was sad, but I knew that it was right. And I tried, then feeling rejected, I didn't stop loving God or anything, but I did go on a huge downward spiral after a huge spiritual high.
Anyway, God has been impressing to me that it is me WITH Christ, In Him...etc. Well, I am fasting snacking between meals for thirty days, to break the habit of it. This morning, I decided early that I will eat when I am hungry and fast snacking today and was asking God to help me.
When all of a sudden He showed me...."My spirit is the REAL ME! I was thinking my flesh was me and feeling sorry for myself in a way....feeling deprived, but what it is is the flesh feeling sorry for itself, because the flesh is NOT the "Real Me", it is the "godless human nature". The real me is my spirit, that is ME WITH CHRIST, ME IN CHRIST and HIM IN ME. God wants me with HIM. I am NOT rejected! God wants me with HIM. So we are in a war...spirit vs. flesh...and the way to win is to let our spirit be OVER our flesh and remember that is the real "US"... the flesh is just godless human nature.:dancer:

Kelli 10-05-2009 10:08 AM

Good Morning!

God is so Good! The part of the lesson that spoke to me the most this morning was the same one that spoke to Ryann, even Paul had struggles. You think of him as the Strong apostle, but even he had struggles he had to give to God. When He says: "Wretchen man that I am, who will save me from this body of death, then he remembers... Oh yeah Thank God, it's not up to me". I will remember today, my weight loss is not up to me, it's up to Jesus.

Ryann Said
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I want to comment on this part for right now, since God gave me an ephiphany on this just this morning.

I remember a few years ago when I had some revelation on this, as the Spirit grows stronger, the flesh gets weaker. My spirit is the "Real Me".
Well, I remember the feeling that I had that "He must increase and I must decrease". I had a root of rejection, so I thought that what that meant is that God didn't want me, even in my own body. I was sad, but I said "okay". I tried for a while, to do the things that I "thought" God would want, saying always, it is about Jesus, not about me. I was sad, but I knew that it was right. And I tried, then feeling rejected, I didn't stop loving God or anything, but I did go on a huge downward spiral after a huge spiritual high.
Anyway, God has been impressing to me that it is me WITH Christ, In Him...etc. Well, I am fasting snacking between meals for thirty days, to break the habit of it. This morning, I decided early that I will eat when I am hungry and fast snacking today and was asking God to help me.
When all of a sudden He showed me...."My spirit is the REAL ME! I was thinking my flesh was me and feeling sorry for myself in a way....feeling deprived, but what it is is the flesh feeling sorry for itself, because the flesh is NOT the "Real Me", it is the "godless human nature". The real me is my spirit, that is ME WITH CHRIST, ME IN CHRIST and HIM IN ME. God wants me with HIM. I am NOT rejected! God wants me with HIM. So we are in a war...spirit vs. flesh...and the way to win is to let our spirit be OVER our flesh and remember that is the real "US"... the flesh is just godless human nature.
Ryann, this is so cool! It's funny God showed me the same thing about the flesh shrinking and the spirit growing, and I also had a root of rejection. You will find many of the lessons in this study deals with this especially the later ones (it took God awhile to show me this).

It's hard to rip the flesh off of our hearts, it's an emotional battle, but then Jesus gives us such precious jewels such as your ephiphany in the midst of them and when you look back you realize you were so close to Jesus during those times of fasting. I will be praying for your fast! (You may want to read ahead, to Week 12 day 2, Fasting to Feast and Week 10 day 1, The Circumcised Heart, if you are fasting)

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Girls we've been trying things the old way "world's way" and nothing worked for us. Now through these lessons, God has given us a New Path to follow so that we can learn God's Way of losing the weight. I see it this way, who knows my body and its needs better than the One Who created it.
Whoohoo, let's GO, I'm READY!!! :carrot:

Have a wonderful day!

Love, Kelli

Bootsie 10-05-2009 10:43 AM

Trust God and soon you will learn how much food you should take, so you won’t waste as much. Don’t worry God doesn’t mind if you waste a little until you learn how much it takes to make you full. I know this because there are many instances in the Bible where God tells His children to destroy all the booty left after a battle. I am sure it seemed wasteful to them but was necessary to preserve the purity of Gods children, it’s the same with us. It’s more important we keep ourselves from the destruction of our bodies.

Girls I am sorry but I cannot eat everything my taste buds like, that is all that is to that. If I eat sweets I have what I call a sweet tooth hang-over, sick as a dog, the next day! If I eat hot peppers like my Mom and granddaughter does then my belly burns! If I eat macaroni, it seems to stick to my hindquarters like glue! Also I have found that sugar, macaroni , seem to give me water gain, and blow up my belly like a balloon. So I have to beware of those foods ! I truly believe if Jesus wanted me to be able to eat these foods I would not have these conditions. So I am sticking to what I have to stick to; in order to not destroy my body.

The Lord is more real today than he was in my life 10 years ago and I thought then I could not love him any more but I do. Gluttony is a spiritual problem I do have but day by day I am conquering it and gaining control over it with Jesus guiding my steps to take. Everyone have a great day!

Ryanne 10-05-2009 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bootsie (Post 2956658)

Girls I am sorry but I cannot eat everything my taste buds like, that is all that is to that. If I eat sweets I have what I call a sweet tooth hang-over, sick as a dog, the next day! If I eat hot peppers like my Mom and granddaughter does then my belly burns! If I eat macaroni, it seems to stick to my hindquarters like glue! Also I have found that sugar, macaroni , seem to give me water gain, and blow up my belly like a balloon. So I have to beware of those foods ! I truly believe if Jesus wanted me to be able to eat these foods I would not have these conditions. So I am sticking to what I have to stick to; in order to not destroy my body.



Bootsie, I agree with you. I don't eat certain things either. What you eat and what you drink is for your body's benefit and to the glory of God. I have to avoid saturated fats, too much salt and too much sugar, I am believing God that I am healed, but I am on medication for hypothyroidism, high blood pressure, high triglycerides and high bad cholesterol, my good cholesterol is too low. I also take an antidepressant for anxiety disorder. So I know what I should and shouldn't eat. I also believe that the quality of foods has deteriorated in the last hundred years and that our ancestors did not have to deal with chemicals and bovine growth hormone and antibiotics and pesticides in their foods. I am careful about things like that. I believe what I eat is for the glory of God, I do this for me and my family, I believe that Kelly will eat what is on her heart to eat, Trish will eat the way God would have her eat and Bootsie, you eat the foods God put on your heart. I avoid alcohol to the glory of God, but some people drink wine to the glory of God. I believe all foods are clean, cuz that it what Jesus said, and all things are "legal" for us to do, but not all things are "helpful". I have bowel problems, so I need to know what things can help or hurt me, too. I know that I cannot tolerate caffeine or artificial sweeteners...(Thanks alot diet soda all week!!! I am paying for it today!!! I had quite forgotten what they do to me!) Bootsie, You do what you feel is right for you. That is not what the study is really about. Yes there are dietary things in the study, but just as I said before, I don't believe that what we eat or drink is one size fits all...I believe that God has a specific plan for each of us. Your sugar busters is good if that is what God is showing you. I read that book a long time ago and there is a lot of sound advice there. I still have to avoid too much sugar. In fact, the Bible warns us to not "eat too much honey" which is sweets! So YOU GO GIRL!!! I love you, Bootsie!:hug:

Ryanne 10-05-2009 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelli (Post 2956554)

It's hard to rip the flesh off of our hearts, it's an emotional battle, but then Jesus gives us such precious jewels such as your ephiphany in the midst of them and when you look back you realize you were so close to Jesus during those times of fasting. I will be praying for your fast! (You may want to read ahead, to Week 12 day 2, Fasting to Feast and Week 10 day 1, The Circumcised Heart, if you are fasting)

Love, Kelli


Thanks Kelli. Ya, God is so good, because your post was confirmation. I am not going to comment on the rest of the Bible Study as the only things that really stood out to me, I have commented on, with my reply to Bootsie's post being the other thing.
I am so glad you are all here! Makes it so fun and interesting to see what God is doing in all of our lives.
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Kelli 10-05-2009 09:36 PM

Howdy!

Hey Bootsie and everyone else... I Just want you to know when I wrote the "Diet" portion of this study, ten years ago, and I wrote it when I thought it was just for my foster daughter Mylissa and me (she was a teenager) This is the diet I felt God wanted for me and Mylissa, but you do what God tells you to do. So I hope you don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. There are a lot of good scriptures in here, and unless it is something that is just goes against the Bible (which I would really hope someone would bring to my attention!!!) then just skip over it if it doesn't apply to you ;).

I think the whole point is to not use the weighing and counting and everything else that goes into dieting as a distraction from your real pain. That pain needs to be addressed with Jesus. I know the pain I was trying to avoid with the whole process of dieting was the feeling that I just wasn't quite as good as the rest of the people on earth. Like Ryanne I had felt rejected by God, because I hated myself so much. I used dieting, measuring, weighing, nonfat everything.... all the stuff that goes with dieting as a distraction so that it would be at the front of my brain and not the pain that was just to hurtful to deal with. My being overweight was less painful than feeling like I had to try twice as hard to be half as good as everyone else.


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Girls I am sorry but I cannot eat everything my taste buds like, that is all that is to that. If I eat sweets I have what I call a sweet tooth hang-over, sick as a dog, the next day! If I eat hot peppers like my Mom and granddaughter does then my belly burns! If I eat macaroni, it seems to stick to my hindquarters like glue! Also I have found that sugar, macaroni , seem to give me water gain, and blow up my belly like a balloon. So I have to beware of those foods ! I truly believe if Jesus wanted me to be able to eat these foods I would not have these conditions. So I am sticking to what I have to stick to; in order to not destroy my body.
This is good you do it the way God tells you!!! Someday I will fix the Study to say that :dizzy: I just seem to be soooo busy, I'm sorry...

Well got to go eat dinner! Homemade hamburger soup with homemade noodles... YUM!

pattygirl63 10-05-2009 10:44 PM

Hi Ladies,

I came in here with some ideas earlier and Hubby's pc messed up and I had to come off line. So now I can't remember all I was going to say but will try.
I won't make quotes this time since it is late.

I do not bring certain foods into the house that I cannot handle. However, as of late I have noticed that when I do eat some of those foods that they just do not taste the same. I realized yesterday that I actually eat pretty much along the lines of Sugar Busters. That is why I asked Bootsie about it. It is strange that Tony likes chips so we buy them for him, but they do not hold an interest to me any more. There was I time I could eat a whole big bag in one sitting all by myself. Ate a piece of white bread a few weeks ago and it was terrible. Ate a hamburger at McDonald and couldn't stand the taste of white bun. So tastes do change. I believe God is changing my tastes.

I used to say Psalm 103:5 as a confessed prayer making it personal, don't remember the translation "He satisfies my mouth with good things so that my youth is renewed like the eagle". I did this believing God would change my desires to good foods rather than junk. I honestly believe it is working.

I wanted to say something I thought of concerning something Ryanne said. It goes along with what I saw in the first scripture on the lesson. Romans 7 when Paul says "but I am carnal". See I knew I was to re-read these lessons and do them with y'all because what stood out to me today was not what spoke to me when I did the lesson in August. This hit me because of the Sunday night study at church goes with it.

Before we were born again, we were carnal. We did everything to please our worldly, flesh desires. When we accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior, the Holy Spirit came in to live in us. Of course, I know you know this. What hit me is this. When we are born again, we become a new creation... a child of God. But we are babies and Paul told the Corinthians that they were carnal Christians who should have been eating meat, but he could only feed them milk. They were saved, but had not grown spiritually still acted like they did before they were born again. We are all growing at different levels in different areas. I don't think we ever dreamed that God wanted to teach us how to feed our bodies. What brought me to the the fact that He wanted to do this is when I realized that I was not supposed to live like the world or seek advice from it for my spiritual life so then I wondered why I did this with diets.

The goal of my Pastor in our church is for us to learn God's Way of doing things. Pastor drew a heart on the board Sunday night and wrote Holy Spirit in it. Then he showed how there are areas in our hearts that needed to be changed so the Spirit can fill those areas, but that we have to ask the Holy Spirit to change us and give those areas of our heart to Him, because God never forces us. As we give Him control and surrender those areas to Him, then He begins the work that needs to be done to change us. I believe that I have used food to fill that area instead of letting the Lord have that place. For one thing I thought "I" had to do it all, I didn't know He wanted to be Lord over the area of deciding what I eat.

We are His workmanship and He has brought each one of us all together because He has been preparing us for this time. If we will be faithful to trust him and give Him control while doing what He shows us to do, we will succeed. However, this time when we succeed it will be a sweet success, because we will get to our normal weight and stay there because this time we will have done it God's Way and He will be glorified through the testimony we will have of what He did for us and through us.

Till tomorrow. Good night.

Kelli 10-05-2009 11:11 PM

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but that we have to ask the Holy Spirit to change us and give those areas of our heart to Him, because God never forces us. As we give Him control and surrender those areas to Him, then He begins the work that needs to be done to change us. I believe that I have used food to fill that area instead of letting the Lord have that place. For one thing I thought "I" had to do it all, I didn't know He wanted to be Lord over the area of deciding what I eat.
Wow! Trish, amen! That's exactly what I was doing with my dieting, filling that place in my heart. I also thought I wanted it so much for some reason I thought is was selfish to ask God to help me with it. But that's what He want's isn't it... Total surrender.

Thank you...

Ryanne 10-05-2009 11:45 PM

Ya, what she said, "Amen"!
 
God is good! I am so glad for all the wisdom of this group. May God Bless you mightily! All of you. :D

Kelli 10-06-2009 06:32 AM

Week 1 Day 3
 
Exposing Strange Doctrines


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We have a tendency to rely on the so-called dieting experts, and God is the last place we go for diet advice. We pray and ask God for help in following the diet of the week, but why? If you think about it, God is the one who formed our bodies, and spoke the world into existence. Don’t you think it’s time we discover what the only true authority has to say about it?

Read Hebrews 13:8-9 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. 9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.
Answer the following questions:
• Who is the same yesterday, today, and always? __________

• What do you think established by grace means? ______________________________
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The dictionary defines establish as 1: to institute permanently, 2: to put upon a firm basis.
Grace is defined as 1: unmerited help given to people by God (as in overcoming temptation) 2: freedom from sin by divine Grace.

Remember in the last study we read, Mark 7: 18 –23 So He said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?” 20And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”

• Do you think if God was going to change the food and make certain foods like fat, sugar, and breads unclean for the modern world, He would have left it out of the Bible? _________

Remember God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

List all the diets you can remember being on.
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Do you remember each of these diets and their premise? Was it a counting calories, food exchanges, eating more fat, eating less fat, eating more carbohydrates or eating less? Was it eating a little or eating a lot? Was it eating only certain foods at certain times of the day? Drinking a lot of water with your food, or don’t drink water with your food, eat all protein. No! That will make you sick and you could die, but he was a doctor!?

It’s exhausting, each of these experts claimed to have the truth and the only truth. Most of them claiming the reason all the others had failed was because you were not counting calories or you needed food exchanges or you needed to eat more carbohydrates, or you’re eating too many carbohydrates and not enough fat, and so on and so on…

Read the previous scripture again: Hebrews 13:8-9 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. 9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.

Doctrine simply means "Something that is taught". When you think about your dieting history, does it seem as if you were being carried away by strange doctrines? _____________

Most diets focus on food; this creates a strong love and desire for it because it’s the focal point. The Bible says, “We do not profit by being occupied with foods, but it’s good for the heart to be established by grace.” By focusing on God and His love, we are established by grace, not what we can or cannot eat.

We have been working on the wrong problem when we diet, because we are trying to change the food we normally eat. We go to a whole lot of trouble, making ourselves different meals than our families, weighing it and counting the calories, etc. The whole time we are focusing on the food. We need to recognize the real problem. The food can’t be responsible for your weight. We don’t need to change the food we need change our hearts, our attitude.

Let’s say you do lose weight on one of these methods, you will still have the anxiety you have always had about your weight, but instead of worrying about being overweight, you will be anxious about gaining it back. Your thoughts will still be obsessed with food, fat, calories, etc. Being thin will not make you happy, you will still yearn for and desire food.

Start concentrating on your relationship with God and not the substance of the food. Pray and ask God to help you become established by grace, and to help you to focus on Him, by the truth of His word.

God will deliver you from the bondage of food, it’s up to you how long it takes, it can take four months, or forty years. You can wander in the desert with half a commitment or you choose today to go straight to the Promised Land, by faith.

Colossians 2:8-10 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

Do you think God is able to help you lose weight? _________________________________
Why do you feel that way? __________________________________________________ __
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READ: Matthew. 7:7-12

In light of today’s study, what was the scripture or statement in today’s lesson that most spoke to your heart? __________________________________________________ ________
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What steps of faith does God want you to take towards Him today? ____________________
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Rephrase the scripture or statement into an expression of faith_________________________
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Isaiah 55:9 Isaiah 55:9 For as the _________ are _______ than the ______, so are My _____ higher than _______ ways, And My ________ than your thoughts.


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