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Old 01-22-2010, 08:19 AM   #61  
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Peatpod, I'm 90 minutes from the Experimental Farm - I grew up right beside it! At my age (71), I'm a bit past the heavy stuff in a garden centre although I did volunteer in one for years until it was sold.

As far as high morning BGL, how high is it? There is an effect called The Dawn Syndrome. The BGL falls during the night and the liver pumps out glycogen to get it back up. Sometimes it pumps out too much and you get a high morning reading. A snack of protein and carb at bedtime often helps. There's a thread on that in here somewhere - I'll take a look.
Here you are. http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/diab...wn-affect.html
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RUTH ~ well, we had sun for the last 2 days, but it disappeared today, so maybe it's on its way to you now ... hope so; we have to share ...

PEA ~ I agree with RUTH; I had a problem with snacking in the evening, but now I have to have a small protein & carb snack or my BSL's dip in the middle of the night too. I seem to be OK in the morning, so my body is probably rectifying it ... hence, the DAWN AFFECT! Since I had been saving up some cals for the evening snack, this hasn't been happening lately.

MR. Z ~ kudos to you for getting that thin crust pizza; the take-out ones aren't too bad. We bought one from the store once -- and it was like cardboard so now we get the regular and I give the center of the crust to our dear FIDO ... which he loves! Sometimes, if I feel really energetic, I make my own whole grain crust and roll it out thinner. We don't have pizza too often now; but I have also made them on whole grain tortillas and DH loved them too ...

Hope you all have a wonderful weekend ... Rosebud

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Well its been a busy day .. and I am finding out so much about my body I am totally confused lol.
The Dawn syndrome sounds like me so I will try the protine / carb snack prior to bed.
My levels have been all over the place today .. I think its a combo of adding the exercise and well girly things. I feel exhausted today and my numbers have weird .. I took my bsl after breakfast and it was 6.4 ... then I took it prior to lunch and it was 6.9 why would it go up when I hadnt anything to eat? At 3 it was 6.2 and then dropped to 4.7 by 5:30. We went out for dinner at 7 ... I had a nice dinner of liver, onions and bacon .. no gravy, broc & cauliflower and some fries .. now at 10:30 my levels are only at 5.5. And Im exhausted .. totally whiped so Im off to bed ..
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Just got back from seeing "The Tooth Fairy". I didn't even know Julie Andrews was in the film. The movie helped to buoy my spirit after seeing the doc today. I was prescribed an antibiotic and told to cease all dieting and exercise until I shake this nasty bug I've got. The only good news was that when I was weighed, the scale showed a 10 lbs loss in the past 2 weeks. I just hope I get better soon and not gain too much weight while I'm getting better. Happy weekend everyone. I plan on drinking lots of hot tea and curling up with a good book this weekend.
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Sounds like a good weekend plan, Mr Z. Be sure you choose good quality food while you recover and the scale will stay kind.

Peatpod, I'm no endocrinologist but those numbers look fine to me. Why are you testing so often? Doctor's orders or curiosity? By the way, you should wait two hours before testing after a meal.

Had a bit of a problem with some chocolate covered cookies yesterday which set off some carb cravings. I had a potato omelet and salad for dinner and BGL is fine this morning although a bit low at 3.8. Now if I could just get the darn scale to move the right way!
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Ruth I know my levels do seem fine to me also .. but they go up when I dont have anything to eat ... I do test about two hours after eating. Yesterday I just felt like crap .. really tired and I felt kind of light headed .. it was an odd feeling so I checked a few extra times. I haven't seen the dietician yet and she asked me to take it when I awakened .. before I eat and then 2 hours after I eat and then prior to bedtime. So my poor little fingers look like they have been though a grinder =)
Originally I went to the doc's complaining about feeling REALLY tired. Its not like me to be tired all the time and falling asleep at the drop of a dime. If anything Im the opposite. I asked to be screened for diabeties as my dad is type 2 and it runs in my family. Personally I think when I see the dietician on Monday she is going to see my numbers and think hummmm maybe the test wasnt right. I think I have more of a B 12 deficiency .. that runs in my family also.
Now one would think that drinking two XL coffees with three cream and three sugar would do in my levels ... nope they were 5 when I took it at lunchtime. Im just confused because my levels have been fine all the way along. With any luck they will remain this way.
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PEA ~ I thought the same thing as RUTH; why is she testing so often? My doctor had me test upon waking the first while (about 3 weeks?); then got me to change the times each day and keep a record for the next 3 weeks or so (in between visits) to see how they varied at different times. But I just had to test once a day. Once we saw how that was, I went back to the AM again; only every other day becuz my readings were so good. Eventually I was able to go down to twice a week; then once a week; and now only once every other week just to make sure they aren't going up too high. Now this was over 1-2 years in time.

Did you say you had food with those coffees? If that is all you are having, they are like a snack or meal substitute so your numbers could be fine. You may be like me and really had only PRE-DIABETES. I was sick at the time and that may have elevated my numbers somewhat. I find that if I don't eat every 3 hours or so, that I feel very hungry and my sugars can dip; but there is a situation like RUTH says, that your body will raise your sugars by producing more insulin if it thinks you haven't had enuff to eat.

I know that's confusing but it happens; and that is also why eating regularly is so important. My sister used to skip breakfast and her sugars went up high; but when she started eating a light breakfast of toast in the AM, her sugars went back down to the normal range again. Her body was producing extra insulin becuz she hadn't eaten. The reason she didn't eat breakfast was becuz she has very severe IBS and had to work @ 10 AM. (IBS & Diabetes runs in our family too)

In time, your doctor and dietician will see if you have your levels in a good range; and you will find out when and what you should eat. Your extreme fatigue may have been caused by something else. Your doctor is the best one to ask about that.

MR. Z ~ hope you are feeling better soon -- that good doctor wants you to eat healthy so you have lots of energy to recover from that nasty flu. Lots of good liquids (tea is great and low cal) and good healthy foods and you should maintain just fine.

HI RUTH ~ we are supposed to be getting some really mild temps starting tomorrow, if they are correct? In the +'s for the week; we have been really blessed with nice weather this year.

We had roasted chicken & veggies & sweet potatoes for dinner tonight; lots leftover for tomorrow too -- just have to heat 'em up! Have a great Sunday ... Rosebud

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All I got was a phone call telling me what to do .. so Im not sure why she is having me test so often ... but I will find out tomorrow when I meet with her. Boy will I feel stupid if I didnt understand her properly. I already feel stupid for doing it so often.
I have never been one to skip breakfast. I dont really get hunger pains I get more emotional and aggitated when I dont eat so I make sure I have something to start my day, occassionally I will miss lunch but have something later in the day when I start feeling angry =) The coffee is normally after I have had breakfast and I have only been having one or two occassionally. So I would say its more like a snack.
I really need to look at the recipes because I have been living off of salad, fish and poached chicken for the past month or so =) I know there are other foods I can eat that will help me lose weight .. anyone have any favorites?? I have to make three different meals so I try to keep mine as easy as possible. The kids need the higher carbs and hubby just isnt that into salads not to mention fish =) I love liver and ground up beef heart ... but the kids and hubby wont eat that either. We are originally from Northern Ontario so we use to get alot of wild game from friends and family and that was wonderful too. I am a big meat eater and will chose meat over anything else if I have a choice so I have been watching what meats I eat and the fat content.
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Peatpod, I hope today resolves some of your questions and don't feel stupid! The only stupid question is the unasked one. By the way, I'm a big meat lover too - when I was a kid, we finished our veggies just so we could have seconds on meat. I made a venison pot roast yesterday. Want to take the train to Kingston and come here for leftovers?

Time to have my usual breakfast of Fibre 1, sf/ff yogurt and frozen blueberries and then head off for the gym. I try to get there when it opens at 7:30 but have been easing up on that pressure lately. I am supposed to be retired and life is getting shorter day by day.

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PEA ~ I agree with RUTH -- this is a learning process for all of us; I just went by what my doctor told me to do and it worked out well for me. I am finding that each person is different and so is the advice given by different doctors & dieticians. We are waiting with baited breath to hear the results of today's consult ...

DH & I like moose, but that is hard to get unless someone gives it to us as a gift, but it is nice and lean; so, I pick out the leanest cuts of meat that I can find at the grocer. DH is a meat & potato man, but has adjusted very well to our new eating style, but he won't eat salads at all (will leave it on his plate, so I don't put it on anymore). Most of the time we eat our favorites that I have lowered the fat and sugar (I try to omit the sugar & most of the salt too).

Here's some of our favorites meals -- I pull out this list whenever I can't make up my mind what to have for dinner ...

1 -- roasted whole chicken with veggies, and/or small new potatoes or sweet potatoes; veggies like: carrots, onions, celery, parsnips, turnip, broccoli & cauliflower. Just put the veggies around the chicken.

2 -- lean steak & mushroom medley: sliced mushrooms & onions, sometime adding in some corn or broccoli. I may have corn and DH has a new potato. I make DH a hamburger steak, becuz he can't chew the regular steak. (We're trying to get him new bottom teeth; TMI).

3 -- lean center pork chops with brown rice mix & veggies: I use half brown rice & long-grain converted rice (supposed to be lower GI); and veggies of choice: broccoli, carrots, cauliflower OR asparagus OR green beans, etc.

4 -- creole patties: lean meatball patties (2 oz each) with canned tomatoes & onions (chopped); served with potatoes or rice (often with leftovers). I often serve this with green beans & coleslaw; a family favorite. To stretch, we used to put some kniblets corn in with the tomatoes too, optional.

5 -- wg spagetti with meatballs or lean meat sauce -- we just have 1 cup cooked pasta each. I put veggies like grated zucchini & carrots, plus onions, mushrooms, and sweet green peppers in my sauce too.

6 -- lean roast beef or pork with carrots, parsnips, turnips, onions & light gravy; and potatoes (just be sure to measure, or fill up on the meat & veggies). Leftovers are made into a cottage pie for another day.

7 -- roast turkey or chicken pieces (breasts) with roasted veggies; or HAM shoulder and veggies of choice.

8 -- homemade soups or stews with beef or chicken; serve with whole wheat buns, biscuits, or bread for the family.

9 -- hamburger on whole wheat bun and salad; I have been known to have a chicken burger when I can find my favorite ones. Homemade beef burgers made with lean meat have less calories.

10 -- Fish & Homefrie Potatoes with coleslaw and sliced tomatoes/cukes. On rarer occasions, we may have pizza on ww crust (when I make my own dough, I roll it thin); or on wg tortillas or pitas.

11 -- even rarer is Chinese Food with an emphasis on meat/veggie dishes and 1/3 to 1/2 cup rice; although I could forgo that.

12 -- Chicken & Ribs: a family favorite; changed the wings to drums or breasts and the ribs to country ribs (made from lean chops). Sometimes will have Back Ribs on occasion. Served with baked potato, coleslaw and green beans. I can skip the tator though.

13 -- Others: sometimes beans or chili; chicken dogs; or pasta casseroles. We have pasta once a week and I vary the type each week (sometimes with beef or chicken or tuna, or meatless). Cabbage rolls for me, but DH loves Shepherd's or Cottage Pie. Hamburgers Steak & Onions; Meatloaf; Liver & Onions; or Omelettes; 6" or homemade subs on whole wheat hot dog buns, etc. About once a week (usually Saturdays), we try to have something different just for fun ...

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I don't know where to start over here. Let me just give a brief intro of myself. I'm a type 2 diabetic and I've done ww, meetings, but online now, in an attempt to become healthier. I started with a major challenge- for me anyway- today. While running errands, instead of taking the elevator, I used my legs. It was a challege but I felt a little better. I do a finger stick twice a day, as instructed by my dr, and i've noticed that my sugar levels are much lower at night than in the mornings. For now, I'm taking metformin once a day and seeing my dr every two weeks so that she can monitor my progress.
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Welcome aboard, Timoba. It's a bit overwhelming at first but you'll get the hang of it.

I'm stressing a bit tonight but will avoid any carb blow-outs. My basement had 6" of water in it at 4 PM, my PC is stalling on me AND my next door neighbour's house just burned! Luckily they weren't there but I'm sure I'll be seeing them as soon as they get home from work.

The sump pump is working now so the water is receding but is anyone in the market for wet cardboard boxes? The PC will probably last another day or so and I'm very glad nobody was hurt in the fire.

Tomorrow is another day - Thank God!
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OMG Ruth ... that's a lot to take in for one day. I'm happy no one was hurt in the house fire.
Timoba WTG for taking the stairs!! I realize that its the little changes that we add to our lives that makes us stronger a little bit at a time .. and those are the changes that seem to stick with us forever!!
Rosebud .. Im drooling over the possibilities .. thanks so much for your list of faves =)
Ok so I had my meet and greet with the dietician .. I now have been crowned "Dumbass" of the year =) She didnt want me poking myself so often .. geeze I spent the afternoon apologizing to my chubby little fingers =) and feeling a bit foolish =) We didnt really talk about much just portion control and looking at these changes as being just that changes. Not a diet where I will shed 100 lbs over night but changes to my lifestyle. She put me on Metformin 500 mg twice daily. Question .. if my levels were fine with diet and exercise then why the meds? She wants me to limit my meat intake to 4 oz servings .. thats a pretty tall order for this chick but Im sure I can do it. I dont think she thinks I will be a compliant patient but I know I will be .. she looked at my file and commented on how I dont see the doc very often =) Did I mention that I dont like my doctor =) Im not normally sick and I certainly not the type to run to the doctor with a runny nose .. so my file is pretty lean =)
I went out and purchased a new digital scale .. and a meat grinder. Beef heart here I come!!!!!!!!!!! All hubby can think of is attempting to make sausages lol. Wow its going to be nice to have some control over the type of meats I can use in different recipes =)
So all in all it was a pretty good day .. hit the docs .. off to the greenhouse and then to curves .. busy but good ... Oh and Im down 11 lbs now .. woot woot!!!!!!!

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Hi everyone,

I am new here too. I was diagnosed with Type 2 just before Christmas and I am trying to control by diet and exercise right now. Most of my daily readings went from 9-12 when I first started and now a month later I am in the 5.5-6.5 range. It has been hard work but I must say I feel better than I have in a long, long time. At 34 years - I am much to young to say that.

I still waiting for a referral to the diabetes centre - and I meet with my family Dr every two weeks to monitor until I get that appointment! I am learning all I can about the GI levels of foods and following the WW plan with it.

This morning I had a great thrill - put on my dress pants for work...took two step and they fell off!!!!!!!!! I am focusing on making this fun and have a life style change - I am not on a diet and exercise program - I am on a life plan!

My sugars were high in the morning -like everyone here has said by saving some of my points and having a small protein and carb snack before bed I have lowered my morning readings.

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To quote Professor Higgins "I think she's got it!" Cheers indeed, Trinie. It sounds like you are on track. WW and GI are both good plans for control. at the pants falling down "problem".

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Metformin improves the blood's ability to utilize what insulin we do produce and gives the pancreas a bit of a break.

I've also learned the meaning of the word "fine" when it comes from a medical person. It usually means "acceptable for this condition". For example, my HA1C is usually between 6 and 7 when tested. A non-diabetics would be 6 or less. My doctor says it's just fine while the 6-7 range really means "fine for a controlled diabetic". They see lots of really seriously out of control diabetics and everything is relative to them, if not to us.
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