Morning Girls,

You know the both of you have nice names and you both think they are boring......well I'd rather have your names then some of the ones people are creating these days...some of them are just plain stupid :lol: :lol:

Nothing new here. We picked up the new van yesterday, boy is it nice, rides like a dream, I just hope it lasts :shrug: its the town & country by chrysler. I'm sick over how much money they are...but life goes on uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. lol. I just thank GOD and I do, that we can swing this.

Its FRIDAY YEAAAAAAAAAAAA I can't wait to see my little girl, boy do I miss her during the day so the weekends I smother her with kisses :love: She's funny, I kiss her so much she just looks at me like :rolleyes:

TTYL, Have a good one.
Love, Leens :dizzy:

hey darlings...

Just got back from another doctor's appointment with my daughter. I am drained. Limp as a rag. I'm going to eat something, and if anyone tries to stop me, I will kill them.

You think those are nice names, Leens? :lol: Sorry, Karen... my sympathies. I haven't heard that name in years. We're obviously from the same era. It's perfectly fine, it just doesn't suit you. :)
And Leens... you should hear the names of my children... they're both weird. I wanted to make up for my own boring name.
Enjoy your weekend with your darling daughter and your new van!

Oh, Den... pyschologists and social workers are great! It's the psychiatrists that are wacko. (don't tell me... your brother is a psychiatrist...)
My husband is a darned good social worker. (hmmm, then why is my family "disfunctional"? :lol: ) Social workers pretty much subsist on rice and beans.
Den, how long have you suffered from depression?
Leens?

gotta go... my low-fat dip and chips anxiously awaits me. :)

take care... talk soon...
Den, good luck getting your orders filled. Don't stress out!

HIYA!!!!!

Ellis-NOPE!! No psychiatrists in the family.:D :D I think I have suffered with depression since I was a teenager, but it wasn't until DS #2 started first grade that I finally went for some help. It has not been constant for me, but it got to the point that even my highs were muted, if you know what I mean. I waited so long that I believe I hard-wired my brain at a more depressed level. THAT is another good reason for dealing with what is going on with your daughter (and my son) NOW. Maybe they will be healthier than us by the time they are our ages!!!:D

Leens-I know what you mean about the weekend. I'm glad it is here too. Hubby has to finish up grades for two classes by Tuesday, but that actually represents a DROP in work load!! After that he only has one class (at a different college) which runs until May 9. Hopefully he'll pick up something for spring term, but he will be around more so it will take pressure off of me. 'Cause I need to WORK!!!

Hope you two ( and any lurkers) have a FANTASTIC weekend!! I'm sure I'll be checking in tomorrow or Sunday!!!

just a quickie, girls

We're having dinner guests this evening, and my house looks like a dumpster. Gotta do a major overhaul (read: throw everything loose into closets, down in the basement, under beds. Wax in the corners so the house smells clean....).

And my face... geepers, you should see my face... took my daughter to see our family physician for the first time yesterday (since the "episode") and he was soooo good. He's setting up an appointment with a really good female phychologist. He was the first person to seem REALLY concerned. I'm sure it helps that he knows my background, too.
Anyhow, I spent the remainder of yesterday crying with sheer relief. My face looks like a marshmallow. It's about twice it's usual (chubby) size, and it looks like I'm wearing tea bags under my eyes. Think I'd better get out some egg white and do a "tightening job" before our guests arrive.

I should be back tomorrow... I'll reply to you both then.

take care, dears... ellis

HEY !!!

Ellis-Glad to hear about the doctor's visit. I didn't really realize that you weren't being taken seriously. Been there too!! You feel like, am I crazy or what? With my son it seemed like everyone told me not to worry, and then when I finally calmed down, they all told me to worry!! (But about things that were NOT an issue!!) I think finding the right person is 9/10ths of the battle, and I hope this psychologist works out. I would think that your daughter might feel more comfortable talking to a Woman too. I specifically asked for a male therapist, since I thought that would work better for my son. (And I am driving 45 minutes one way in order to get him to who he sees!!)

By the way, your housecleaning technique sounds a lot like mine!!! Hope you have fun tonight!!

Leens-Hope your weekend is going well!!

Hi Dentrassi and Leens!

Den, I'm dumping... you don't have to read this. :lol:

Leens, have you got your boss breathing down your neck again? :lol:
How's the new van? How long can you keep that "new car smell"? With a one year old... I'd give it a month, tops. ;)

Den, thanks for your support (again :) ). I can appreciate what you've gone through depression-wise. My parents simply thought that I was a "moody teen", and living with depression for so long made me think that it was normal to feel like "that". I always faked it when I was with other people... I'm told by everyone that I have a beautiful smile (my only good feature, I assure you), and it's my disguise. :) Everyone thinks I'm "well-balanced, got it all together, happy, etc." They don't see me crash when I get home. If they saw me as I really am, they'd whip me into a mental hospital in a second! :lol:
The weird thing is, I'm so damned NICE (yeah, right! ha ha) that everyone dumps on me. I'm a good sympathetic listener, and I give great advice. I'm not patting myself on the back... it's all a facade. I just want to be a nice person, but I'm really a *****. ;)
I'm getting better... I'm trying not to listen to too much crap from people. (you know, like you're listening to me right now :dizzy: )
Last summer I dumped two old friends who were doing nothing more than constantly complaining. One of them would call me periodically at midnight over a period of 6 years to complain to me about her husband. What the heck is wrong with people? Get help and MOVE ON!!

I'm sorry you weren't taken seriously, too. I'm sure you received a lot of unwanted advice, as well. Everyone thinks they're an expert. I'll say one thing... I've made a point of telling everyone that I'm completely to blame for this whole situation, so they're all being really nice and consoling. :lol: I hope that you've got good support from your friends and family.

Listen girls, I NEVER watch TV. Maybe one half-hour program a week, tops. I just don't have time. Last night I watched ummm, I think it was called Law and Order or something. They showed two episodes in a row. I was totally fixated with the TV. Even the commercials were fascinating. I must be losing my mind.

Sorry, I'm rambling. Did I tell you it snowed here? We got over 10 centimetres. Crap. I'm really surprised that more people don't do away with themselves. That "Survivor" show is nothing. It's the everyday living that kills you. WE ARE THE SURVIVORS!!
Okay, I've totally lost it. It's band practice night (they're in the basement). My head is RINGING!! I'm going to get some advil and I've got a cold Corona in the fridge. I'm going to cozy up in bed with my book.

talk to you tomorrow... hope you're both well... Leens, write soon...
ellis

ELLIS!!!!!!!

First of all, YOU ARE NOT DUMPING!!!! We are here to help each other with this kind of stuff, BECAUSE WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE!!!!!!!!

YES!! I did all the same stuff. Being "nice" so people would accept me. Being afraid to show anger or even disagreement because I was afraid that either i would lose control, or disappoint people. Even thinking it was normal. I remember saying something to a therapist at some point about how, "...but everyone feels that way SOMETIMES." And she set me straight. Blew my mind. I joke about it, but i am serious too about rejoicing in my *****iness. You are a nice person, but you think you aren't because you feel upset or angry sometimes. WELL YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO FEEL THAT WAY!!! And when you start to express those feelings, the people who have taken advantage of your niceness don't like it, because they can't take advantage of you any more. Isn't it interesting that all the nice people are in therapy or on drugs, and that all the abusive users are out there running amok? I've had to dump a few old friends too. Including one who couldn't take a break from telling me about the latest fight with her boyfriend even after I told her I had been having some suicidal thoughts. It had taken me a while to work up the courage to tell her that, and she just blew me off. it is possible it just scared her too much, but there were other things going on there too.

I'm finding that now that I'm getting older I just don't want to deal with anymore jerks. I'm finding it easier to disentagle myself from those kinds of relationships too. Life is too short to deal with that crap, and the physical and mental well-being of my family (and myself!!) comes first!!! I just don't CARE if that $40 acrylic nail job just lasted 3 days. THEN DON'T DO IT!!!! WHO CARES!!!!

You are dealing with some heavy duty stuff right now. If you are feeling jittery or cranky or whatever, try to give yourself a break. You are a GOOD person. You may have enjoyed the tv for just that reason. Mindless entertainment!! Besides, tv can be completely surreal, without even trying to be!!! Sometimes I laugh hysterically watching ads, becuse they are SO bizarre if you take them literally!!

Hi Girls,

WOW you two sound like your my evil twins :s: Honestly, you both sound just like me, I had to read over and over who was posting those last 2 posts because it sounded like I wrote them :lol:

I'm the same way, I'm to nice and don't know how to say no, geee is that why I'm on Zoloft :?: hehehehe. I'm really happy to report that the Zoloft is now kicking in and I feel sooooooo much better, hubby even notices how happy I've been, I just hope I can maintain it.......shoot, listen to me....thinking the negative already :lol:

Ellis, the tv is crap, nothing but putting nonsense into our kids minds (and adults). My sister stoped letting her kids watch the "rug rats" because the one character is very nasty and calls the other kids names......well her kids started doing the same and she cut them short of that TV show........no more she said, its sick, so now they just watch PBS shows.

Dentrassi, you said a mouthful when you said "Isn't it interesting that all the nice people are in therapy or on drugs, and that all the abusive users are out there running amok?" Your 100000% right.

Ladies, I hope Jesus lightens your burdens today and you have a wonderful day.

Love, Leens :dizzy:

I'm keeping this short today, since it is so late!!!

Leens, Ellis and all you lurkers (COME JOIN IN!!!)

Hope the week is going well!!!

Hi Dentrassi and Leens!

I'm posting late... very... it's 2:30 AM. My husband is on call tonight, and just got an emergency call to respond to. Needless to say, I'm up now, too. :yawn:

A child was killed by a car in front of my son's school this afternoon. I'm so sad and so furious. We've been trying to get the police/city to do something about this location for YEARS. It's such a dangerous street traffic-wise... I just knew it would eventually come to this.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm EVER going to get a good night's sleep again. :rolleyes: When my husband's cell phone rang at 2:00, I just about had a stroke. curses

Leens, I'm so glad to hear that Den and I are your evil twins! I was afraid that you were thinking we were nuts. Which of course, we are. :dz:
You're right about the TV. It's junk. But it gave me a brief respite. Our kids don't watch a lot of TV, but when they do, they just watch PBS, too.
I'm really glad that the Zoloft is working for you. I know what you mean about "maintaining that feeling". I felt the same way this winter. My Fluoxetine wasn't working quite as well as usual, and I started to panic. My husband calmed me down... he reminded me that I'd been in far worse states before, and that all we had to do was; at the worst, see the doctor and try something else. Fortunately I've evened out again, but I have to be postive... and so do you! Life isn't going to ever be perfect, but we will be alright.

See, Den, ummm, I'm very apologetic because I don't want to dump because I'm trying to be nice... :lol:
geepers... we've all got a BIG problem, haven't we? I used to have a sign on my phone... it said, "JUST SAY NO". Now I have an answering machine, so I have time to think before being overly polite.
I love that, "... all the abusive users are out there running amok." heh heh. I'm glad you've dumped those "friends". I used to be extremely picky about my friends... they had to be witty, have much in common with me, and be of reasonable intellect. My standards have gone up. Now, all they have to be is NICE. I've dumped all the clever ones, and now have a small group of delightfully supportive friends who actually care as much about me as I do about them. And I've discovered that they're actually quite witty, too.

oh... there's my husband back... it's 3:AM ... let's see how much sleep we get. We'll probably lie in bed for hours talking...
take care, sweeties... your support is great... please dump on me, I am a great listener. :) Talk to you tomorrow... today.
ellis

Hi Ladies (oh can I call you that ? :s: snicker ~ )

Its wednesday and boss woman is back, I call her Zena because she is beautiful, her body is perfect and as hard as a rock, she eats constantly - go figure - but she never ever looks at me like some people do at heavy folks, she is really a good person and accepts people as they are. I guess thats why I've been with her for so long.

Not much doing here, SOSDD. Ellis I hear you on the sleep, Since Gracie's born I haven't had any so I can feeeeel your pain :p I felt sooooooo bad when you said that child died, OMG I don't even want to think about it, what a nighmare. I'll pray for that family.

I did alot better on my diet yesterday, so I'm pretty proud of myself, not to count my chickens but one day at a time and If I can do good for even one meal, I'm purty dang proud. :D


Okay girlies, have a great and blessed day.

Love, Leens :dizzy:

HI LEENS!!-YOU CAN CALL ME ANYTHING EXCEPT LATE FOR DINNER!!!!! (burrrp!!!) Glad that the diet situation is getting easier for you. It took me a couple of weeks to really get going!! (And I ate fries last night, so I have to get back on track) Like you say, one meal at a time!!! :lol:

Ellis-How awful!! That is going to be completely traumatic for the kids at that school too. I can't believe the way people drag race evn around schools. My Mom gave me a great tip on how to say "no". (She has a hard time with it too!!) She tells people that she has to check her schedule (or says, "let me get back to you on that.") She found that if she said something right away she has a hard time saying no, so she gives herself that break, and then calls back later and says, "Sorry, can't do it."

My Mom got back from England yesterday. I had to pick her up at the airport, and was stuck in the middle of a freeway closing for 1/2 hour. (IN A PANIC!!!) I ended up having to take a u-turn ON THE FREEWAY and exit on an entrance ramp. A truck had pulled down a HUGE sign, and NO traffic was getting through!!! Lots of people were getting off this way, and if I hadn't, I would have probably been 1 1/2 hours late picking my mom up!! As it was, customs took EVERYTHING out of her suitcase, so she was just getting out when I got there!!! THAT is the mood I was in last night... COMPLETELY FRAZZLED!!! (It took me ANOTHER 15 minutes to find my way back on the freeway AFTER the mess.)

Ladies? hahahahahaha!

Okay, I confess I HAVE been mistaken for a lady on occasion. (It's the British background... reasonably well spoken, excellent posture, absurdly exaggerated sense of decorum, etc.) As I normally look VERY casual (scruffy jeans, messy long hair in a messy bun, a knapsack on my back, etc) it actually makes for good shock value. Den, you can probably appreciate that being married to a long-haired professor. People LOVE to categorize others, and I like to see their faces when they discover they've put me in the wrong class. :lol:
Also; I confess, I love to deliberately emit large burps like yours, Den. It really shakes people up. heh heh.

Den, I'm so sorry you had such a crappy day yesterday. What a nightmare!! I love your exit off the freeway. I can just see you. :D Are you one of those people that MUST ALWAYS ARRIVE ON TIME?! I am. I hate to keep people waiting. And when they keep ME waiting, I'm ready to kill them.
Are you still frazzled? Probably, huh? May take a week for the old heart-rate to settle down. Did your mom have a good time?
Sometimes when I can see my destination but can't reach it, I just want to pick the damned car up and carry it!

Leens, your boss sounds like quite the babe. I'm glad she's nice.
Gracie? What a beautiful name... I love it!
Thanks for the prayers for that family... I knew you'd say that. :)
She was 9 years old. :(
Hey, you're doing great on your diet! Good for you... keep it up!!

Den, I'm really sorry you've had suicidal thoughts. I guess many of us have, but it hurts me to hear it from others. I know the feeling all too well. I remember when I had my daughter thinking, "I'll never have suicidal thoughts again because I have someone to live for now." HA! WRONG!

Listen girls, I was thinking of you this morning. A neighbour called me and proceded to dump on me and ask for advice on the stupidest, most trivial matter imaginable. In my British fashion, I listened politely for about 20 minutes, knowing from past experience that it could go on for an hour. When the top of my head started to blow off, I thought of both of you. I actually started to cry on the phone, said, "Lucy, I'm sorry, I have a lot of personal problems and can't listen to yours right now." I then lay down on the kitchen floor, had a hellofa good sob, and noticed that the underside of my kitchen cabinets are FILTHY! Anyhow, I owe you both thanks for the pep talk. Perhaps I will simply stick a note on my phone and front door that says, "Den and Leens". I may have made a complete and utter fool of myself, BUT I DID IT!!

lesson for the day by ellis: Don't ever lie on your kitchen floor.

Ellis-I'm glad you cut that conversation short. It gets easier with practice, so KEEP ON DOING IT!!!!! I can just see it now, "I'm sorry, I can't listen to you now because I need to take care of myself. Den and Leens said so.":lol: But it is true, isn't it. People like that just drain away so much energy that there is nothing left for your family or yourself!!

YES!! I must ALWAYS be on time!! I was really upset thinking that my Mom would call my Dad, and he'd come, and I'd never hear the end of it.....or basically that she would worry, and I'd never forgive myself. Like you say, that British upbringing. In some ways i am a very crude person, but I always have that streak of decorum too. More in the way that people treat each other than anything. I used to be known for saying, "That is completely inappropriate." Even though I am one of the tackiest people I know!! People think I am a fat middle aged house wife. And even though I AM, that stereotype doesn't really fit my personality. Anyone looking at DH and me would figure HE is the crude and crazy one.....(heh heh:s: ) Actually, a friend of his once said that the Person in a couple that LOOKS the most normal is usually the REALLY crazy one!!!

My Mom had a WONDERFUL time!!! My grandmother is getting frailer, but is still mentally very sharp, and it was nice for them to see each other. My aunt and uncle took her around to shops and plays so that my grandmother could rest by herself sometimes too. She found (wait for it...) an Eeyore egg cup for my hubby!!!! When she came back, though, they totally emptied her suitcase searching for contraband!! She was the ONLY one they did this to, and they even pulled out her DIRTY UNDIES, which you can imagine embarassed her no end!! She'd have probably washed them in the sink before coming back if she'd known they were going to do that!!! She said she brought back candy, and i HOPE it is something I can stay away from!!!

Re cupboards etc. - I can't see the top of my refrigerator, so as far as I'm concerned it is clean!!! (and I'm the only one who can see the underside of the cabinets, so as far as I'm concerned they are clean!!!);) :lol:

Hi Kids,

Posting a fast one today, the big big big boss man is coming here today so I have to look like I'm working when he walks in haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!! every hear of the phrase, over worked and under paid THAT WOULD BE ME !!!!! The more my boss gets the more she give to me to do and just sits back.......oh it must be nice. But its true, Sh*t rolls down hill.

Dent, I think we all have a crude side to us :s: If the candy your granny brings back is really good, send it to me.........NOT !!!!!!!!! I can stay away from hard candy but put me near chocolate, especially pnut m&m's....look out !

Oh regarding refrigerators, well I'm 5'10" so I can see the dirt on most of them ROFLMFAO....I'm taller than hubby and his family so his father makes sure his is clean when he know's i'm coming over....the *** even said that to me once. They always make fun of my height so I just tell them Jealousy will get them no where :D

You girls BURP !!! OMG Thats discusting :devil: ROFLMFAO Give me a beer and you better cover your ears :o and lets not even discuss the other end.

Have a great day !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love Leens :dizzy:

Listen girls... I've had it! I have got to lose weight! Are either of you ready to kick butt? That's the problem with losing weight with friends... we're all off-kilter when it comes to being "ready". Interesting how girl-friends always have their period at the same time, though. ;)

Okay, on MY scales this morning I weighed 183 (that means approx 193 at the doctor's office, but screw THAT!). I'm supposed to go for a walk this morning with a friend (although it's started raining, damnit).
Do you care if I write down my food for the day here? And water... I'm not drinking enough water. You know when you feel hungry and YOU KNOW it's because you're really dehydrated? Well, I've just been ignoring that feeling and eating instead of drinking. Or I'll drink cola instead, which gives me a lovely sugar buzz. :)

Leens, forget that new van... I think you should WALK to work! :lol:
5'-10"!!!! You lucky girl! I would KILL to be tall!! I'm 5'-4", and like Den said, average is boring. You're both above/below average you lucky things. If I were 5-10, I would feel so superior. Ignore your inlaws. (most of them are dinks anyhow) They probably ARE jealous. Just look down your nose at them and pat them on the head.

hey, check out this site girls... scroll down and look at the photos of the writer on the left hand side. They're very inspiring.
http://www.desertmermaid.blogspot.com/

Dentrassi, my dad is ALWAYS early! I'm sure that's where I get it from. Also, I have a p-poor sense of direction. Which means I usually leave a lot of extra time to get somewhere. And god help me if I find the place right away... I'm early, and am then forced to circle the area for an hour.

Oh geepers... those rotten airport people. I'll have to remember that if I can ever afford to travel. I'll throw out my underware before I come home. Particularly if it's my PERIOD underware. I don't know about you two, but I have an entire set of period underware. I add more to it every month. Got a drawer full.
Listen, that candy may have had contact with dirty undies, so just don't even bother with it. What kind of candy is it? My grandmother always used to bring us candy from England. It always seemed so exotic.

Okay, lie on your kitchen floor, and look at the skirting board beneath the lower cabinets... where it touches the floor. And THEN let your eyes travel up slightly so that you can see the bottom edge of the lower cabinet doors. Honest to gawd, I've never seen anything like it! It's revolting! I can't even talk about it. I've actually removed the doors on the upper cabinets. It looks pretty cool, and I'm forced to be tidier when I put things away.

Okay, let's lose weight. Yes?
ellis

Ellis YES I'm ready !!!

Whoooooooooo whooooooooo whooooooooooo !

:D

HI LADIES!!!

Don't know what kind of candy she bought this year, but she USUALLY brings back toffee. Not the shmancy kind, the good old cheap slab of toffee that you smack on the counter (or cement) and then eat pieces of. You just can't get that here. Last year she brought back a BIG bag of assorted Cadbury miniatures...again with kinds you can't get here. Also I LOVE blackcurrant candies, which are difficult to find here, but seem to be a common flavour over there. And licorice allsorts.....OH GOD!!! I'm not even a sweets person usually, but English candy is just better. Hopefully she'll bring things I can resist!!! (And meanwhile I'll think about dirty undies!!!! :lol: ) My Grandmother's cousin used to run a sweets shop (it was attached to her house!!), and whenever we went she'd let us pick out a few things. I remember something (I THINK called sherbet) that was like a bag with a piece of licorice sticking out of it. You'd bite off the end, and then suck this sourish powder up through the licorice. I used to love that!!!

Ellis-Yes, I have period underwear....It is just like my regular underwear...OOPS!!!! My mistake, it IS my regular underwear!!!!! I swear they are all stained!!! (I know you needed to know that, and YES you can post food and drink here!!!)

Leens-We are opposites!!! I have a tall hubby and in-laws, and I am SHORT!!! Let's face it, we are ALL sicko!!!

By the way!!! 15 yr. old son told me I was a "poser" the other day!!! I was wearing a t-shirt that said, "I'm evil, that's why" and he said that I wasn't as evil as I thought I was, and that I was a poser!!!!! Oh, how sharper than a serpent's tooth.....

You know, I've noticed that the Macintosh toffee is much softer than it used to be. I shouldn't have to put it in the freezer in order to be able to "smack it".
I remember those bags with the licorice straw thingy! I'd forgotten all about them! And the blackcurrent candies. And my grandmother used to bring us these multi-coloured nougat-like candies. Do you know those? Cream-coloured with pastel stripes.

oh, good... I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one with a drawerful of period underware. Now that YOU'VE admitted it; Den, I'll admit that mine are all b-stained, too. Except for two pairs that I bought a couple of months ago. So far, they've remained untouched. I periodically buy new ones and say, "these are NOT to be worn when I'm having my period!" hahaha!

I was in a grocery store yesterday, and my hand briefly hovered over a jar of Marmite. I managed to pull myself together, though. Jeepers, it's expensive! It's like gold!

A poser. That's excellent. It always blows me away when one of my children used a good word. They absorb a lot more than we think, don't they? Yesterday, my 6 year old said, "Chocolate milk contains the same products as milk." Products? What ever happened to "stuff" or "things"? Baffling.

I actually did quite well yesterday. Low-fat muffin, 2 big bowls of low-fat cereal with no-fat milk, a broiled chicken foot-long submarine, an asian pear, 4 coffees w/no-fat milk, about 5 waters. Oh, and I had a bit of a slip-up at bedtime... ate 1/3 cup mini chocolate chips. I started out sucking each one, but ended up throwing them into my mouth by the dozen. And I walked for half an hour.

How are you two doing? Well; I hope, and KEEP IT UP!!!
talk to you later... ellis

GOOD MORNING!!!!!

See, that is another thing about Canada. You get better candy than we do. Believe it or not, Marmite is even MORE expensive here!! i wait until my Mom brings it back!! Once when i was a teenager my Aunt and Uncle sent us an industrial size can!!

I don't remember the multi colored nougats. Good thing, because there is already too much tempting me!!! The thing that is funny is that I am NOT a sweets person. Usually I would rather have salty and greasy snacks rather than candy, but there is something about These particular items.....

Sounds like you are doing pretty well with the food/exercise thing. Are you going to take me up on my challenge?

Kids are a scream!! I love it when they surprise you with their vocabulary, but sometimes it is even funnier when they make a mistake. When 15 yr old was a toddler, I asked him what he wanted for breakfast and he said, "opium" which was his version of OATMEAL!!!

Leens-The challenge i referred to is to stay OP and exercise every day through Monday. Want to do it? Hope you are doing okay, and your boss gives you a chance to post today!!!:lol:

Good Morning,

Boss will be in late yahooooo and out tomorrow and Wednesday....oh Thank God !! its the only time I can do my own work :lol:

How was your weekend. I did a little bit of shoping for Gracie yesterday. Now you girls tell me. She is 8 months old, she's very tall (like her mama) and weighs about 23 lbs. I had to buy her 2T and 3T clothes ????????????? is she THAT BIG or do they just make kids clothes like crap ? Even the 24 months clothes is to short for her. OY ROFLMFAO. My sister who has 2 girls 4 and 2 1/2, she gives me their clothes and they FIT !!!!! well the 2 1/2 year old does, not the 4 year old YET !

Anyhooo that was my weekend, cleaned shopped and walked. I ate like a pig booo hoooo :( Today is monday so I'm going to fast again. I really like the feeling when I'm done, you feel....ummmmmm light ? can't describe it but its good.

Have a wonderful day TTYL, Love Leens :dizzy:

I can't think of anything worse than having an industrial size can of marmite in the house. :lol: I just don't know what I'd do with it... maybe reroof the house? Perhaps I really should try it again. $3.99 for a jar with about 100ml in it. Hmmm.

Did you eat any candy, Den? I did reasonably well this weekend, although I did have a few slip-ups. Like the 1 1/2 Whoppers that I ate on Saturday night. I was famished. The kids were at my parents for the night, so we thought we'd pick up a couple of burgers to take home. We didn't bother with drinks and fries, but I ordered 2 whoppers w/cheese and my husband ordered one. :rolleyes: Naturally we broke into one of mine on the way home. (I hate sharing... I would have liked to have taken both of my burgers upstairs to my room and eaten them quietly while reading my book.)

Leens, you're just gonna have to face it... she is one big baby! :) Don't worry... lucky little Gracie will be beautiful and tall when she grows up, and she'll have her mother to thank for it. Just instill lots of self-confidence in her... she could be president one day. There's nothing wrong with having a big baby. Dispel the myth that boys must be big and girls small (excuse me, Den). We are all goddesses, regardless of our size!!
Hey, at least you walked this weekend... good for you! You'll get back on track. How long will you fast for? A day? I've never seriously tried it. Do you drink fruit juices or anything while you're doing it?

Hey, girls, I did my 30km charity bike ride this weekend. You should have seen me afterwards... I was a mess. I had a tic in my right eye, my shoulders were all hunched up, and I could barely walk. But I'd made it up those ruddy hills!! (unlike some of the THIN people who got off their bikes and walked up!) Our friend Jim (who did the bike ride with us) came over afterwards for a BBQ. If he hadn't been there, I would have simply crawled into bed and pulled the blankets over my head. Fortunately he's a very comfortable friend, so, while my husband made us lunch, I just sat huddled in a lawn chair with my chin on my chest, right eyelid quivering, clutching a beer and grunting occasionally to be polite. And occasionally, I would emit a hysterical giggle. I was a real mess, I tell you. Friends who will put up with THAT are worth keeping. :lol:

I've got to go and clean or garden or something... if I don't keep moving, I'm going to seize up.
talk to you soon... have a wonderful day
ellis

HAPPY MONDAY SWEETIES!!!!!!!!

Ellis, I know I keep pushing Marmite (I just LOVE it!!), but honestly it isn't worth the money if you don't like it. I have NEVER known someone to change thrir minds about it. It seems like you just love it or hate it!!! (Okay, I should get PAID for the commercials I have been running on their behalf!!!) I stayed AWAY from the candy entirely!!! We have Cadbury Crunchies and toffee sitting downstairs now, though, and I hope my guys eat them SOON, so I don't!!!!!:(

WOW!! Sounds like you did a great job on the bike-a thon!!!!! I am SO out of shape right now it is DISGUSTING!!!! I have "worked my way up" to a 1 mile walk now. I USED to be able to go for miles. Doesn't it feel GOOD when you can do something (hills) that thin people can't? I know we should be judging ourselves by our own standards, but getting nasty looks out of the corner of the eyes of those thin people ("What's SHE doing here?") is SO obnoxious, it is just good to be able to say, "Biking, what are YOU doing!!!!"
I used to get this when I took karate and yoga. I'm very flexible, and could do things that no one else in the class could do!!!! Let's just say there was more than one macho young man whose attitude changed!!!!

I know what you mean about comfortable friends, they are the best!!! Lately they are the only ones I want to see, because they are cool with things even if the house is a mess!!!!!

Leens-Glad to hear the boss is gone!!! :lol: We miss your posts when she is there!! My kids ALWAYS wore a bigger size than their age. They were wearing 6 months at birth!!! Even now, my 15 year old is in size 18, and my 12 year old is in size 16 (and they are a bit small compared to their friends!!!) Ellis is right, variety is the spice of life. She is probably taking after you!! Our boys are unclear. Hubby matured late, but grew tall, and I matured early and stopped short(!!!) so we have NO idea who they are taking after. I don't know if I could handle a fast. Is it difficult? Do you have fruit juices or just water?

We had a busy weekend, and I feel like I need another weekend just to rest up!!! I should be at work, but I'm not!!!!

I lost another 3 pounds, for a total of 13!!! I know that it is going to start slowing down soon, so I have to get prepared for that!!! I lose from the top down, so right now I feel like my stomache is bigger even though the fit of my clothes tells me I'm getting smaller. Really a bummer. I carry most of my weight in the stomache, so I DO NOT like feeling like it is bigger!!!!

Hope you two (and lurkers) have a FANTASTIC day!!!

Hi,

Ellis congrats on the bike-a-thon, thats teriffic, shoot if I even rode my bike down the street I'd be pooped :lol:

Den, 13 lbs WOW........YOU GO GIRL, thats teriffic, slow or not your losing and not gaining. I think I found that 13 lbs...right on my big *** :D

Fasting isn't that hard for me. I don't know why I don't do it more often. It seems if I don't eat at all I'm okay, the minute I take a bite of food I can't stop myself. I have my coffee in the morning (and I mean a HUGE cup) and then in the afternoon I have plain iced tea or water. Its aroun 1:45 pm and so far so good. The hardest time for me is around 9:00 pm, then my stomach starts to growl real bad :lol: But honestly when I'm done, I feel really good, almost a light feeling, can't describe it.

I'm also hoping this will get me started on dieting again...try try again right.

Okay ladies, gotta run.
TTYL, Love Leens

PS I'm trying to ignore your candy talk....I LOVE CANDY !!!!!!! ROFL

buon giorno!

Den, you've lost 13 pounds?!?!?! THAT'S GREAT!! Holy moly... I thought you were stuck! You lose from the top down, huh? Are you saying you're small chested? I was a 32 AA all through high school and college. :lol: I used to always want a big chest, and now that I'm a B, I'm wishing it would go away. I'd much rather be small.
1 mile is great! I know what you mean, though. It's very frustrating not being able to walk as much as you used to. I love walking with my husband, but I have trouble walking alone unless I have a specific purpose in mind. If I tell myself I'm going to get a newspaper from Mags and Fags, I'm fine, but I can't seem to simply walk for the sake of it. I feel as though everyone is looking at me and pointing and saying, "Where does she think she's going?" I'm such an idiot.

Maybe I should try fasting, Leens. It's just finding the right day for it. Uninterrupted. I'm the same... I can pretty much get through the day without eating. It's when I START that I can't stop. And I'm the same as you at night... I'm always starving, whether I've eaten like a pig all day or not.

My butt and my legs are killing me from the bike ride... funny... they didn't hurt this badly yesterday. Obviously I'd better do some exercise to keep these muscles working.

have a great day girlies.... ellis

GOOD MORNING!!!

Ellis-Actually, quite the opposite!!!! I'm about a 40DD right now!!! But I lose it in my face and bustline before my big fat stomache!!! When I weighed 93 pounds i was still a 32C!! I wouldn't mind being a bit smaller either!!!! Hubby is happy though!!!:lol: I know what you mean about thinking people are looking at you, I am the same way!! The thing that is funny is that MOST people are too busy doing their own thing to bother, and the critical ones are just idiots who we should ignore. STILL doesn't make it any easier!!! I lose VERY slowly, so I'm not surprised you thought I was stuck!!! The 3 pounds I lost this week is probably more like 1 1/2 because last week I didn't lose any weight because of my period, but 1 1/2 is probably really from last week. Does that make ANY sense? TOO BAD!!!!! :p As to your muscle aches, I think sometimes it takes a few days to catch up to you.

Leens-Hope you can get away long enough to come say "HI" to us!!!!!

It is grey and drizzly here today. YUCK!!! I'm feeling like I just want to stay home and curl up on the couch with a book and a sleeping bag. I need to go get some work done today though!!!

Hi Girls,

Its 12:45 pm and FINALLY my boss left, she is just running raggid and when that happens you know what they say "sh*t rolls down hill" and I'm there to do most the work :lol: I don't mind actually because it keeps me busy.

Nothin new here SOSDD. I did good on my 24 hr fast, now next Monday I'm going to try for 36, but thats it I don't go beyond that and there's no reason, I just do it for me. Today so far I'm doing good, A friend here at work went out at lunch time and we stoped at Burger King ...... I was oh so tempted but I got a salad and diet soda .... finally I made a good choice. I'm just hoping that every little good step I do gets me back in the swing of losing weight.

How much do you guys have to lose? 75 for me.

Okay ladies, I gotta run. Have a wonderful day, maybe I can play more tomorrow ??? :s:

Love, Leens (40D) before pregnant (36C :( )

Hey, how come there are only 66 posts and over 500 views...........................creeeeepy feeling.

Girls we're being watched :eek:

Leens-GOOD FOR YOU!!! Yes, every time you make the right choice it gets a little easier to do it again. When I started this I thought "one meal at a time", but it has gotten a lot easier. Unfortunately, though, I ate one of the candy bars that my Mom brought back from England. Had a bad day and just did it. Very Dumb. It was WAY too sweet and rich though, and I felt almost sick afterwards, so maybe my tastes are changing.

I am still about 100 pounds overweight by WW standards, but I think I'm going to set my goal higher. At this point I feel like I have to be realistic. I will NEVER be thin, and I am unwilling to starve myself to stay that low. (Which I had to do even as a young person. Now that I'm getting older it would be even worse!!) So my goal now is to get healthier. My first goal is to get below 200 pounds, and then i will decide on the next goal. I should lose AT LEAST another 65 pounds from where I am now.

Re the lurkers.....EITHER.........

1) We are just too cute and adorable for them to stay away!!!

2) We are paranoid, (or not) and people ARE watching us!!!

3) They think this is a closed forum. WE HARDLY EVER BITE!!!! IT IS OKAY TO
POST HERE!!! WE ARE FRIENDLY, EXCEPT WHEN WE AREN'T, BUT THEN
WE GET FRIENDLY AGAIN!!! I HAD ALL MY RABIES SHOTS!!!!!! REALLY!!!


ANYWAY.....Talk to you all tomorrow!!!

Who do think is watching us? It's probably just Ruth wanting to check out our chest sizes. :lol: Could it be that some weirdo men out there are entranced/intrigued by our depressed state of minds?

Leens, you're doing great! Good fasting and good food choice at Burger King. I just can't resist those Whoppers. In fact, when my daughter was born (remember... I had a C-section and was in hospital for a week), my husband picked us up at the hospital and took us straight to Burger King for a whopper before going home. My newborn child... exposed to Burger King on her first day out.
I have to lose about 50 pounds, Leen. It just ain't comin' off. I'm bone idle and I can't get the food down my throat fast enough.
In fact, my husband is picking me up some bridge mixture right now. :( sigh. What can I say... I'm tired and a little crabby... I "need" some sugar, and an apple just won't do it for me.

Hmmm, you gals are chesty. See, that's what I was looking for when I was in my early 20's, but now...
I figure if I ever have to have a mastectomy, they're BOTH coming off! Once the kids are off them, they're useless!! (yeah, okay...the men like them... so what...? I have many other charms.)
Leens, you're a tall girl... you can afford to be a little statuesque. Den... 32 C when you were 93 pounds! Wow, what a babe! When I'm slim, I look like a boy... no waist, no hips, small chest. The sporty look. :lol: I used to hate looking that way, and now I would LOVE it!
I only thought you were "stuck"; Den, because I've never heard you talk about a weight loss before. I'm sure you've never heard ME speak of one, either. :lol:

How cozy... a couch, a book, and a sleeping bag.
good night... :wave:
ellis

Morning !

You guys are funny, I enjoy so reading your posts. I think one of the reason's I don't like being chesty and I walk slumped down is because I'm tall and when you approach people they usually look right at your chest first so I slouch and bring them in. :lol: If a guy does it I am appauled !

Day 3 and doing great !! (God I hope this feeling lasts)

So you think Ruthie checks out our posts huh to see our chest size haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...... I've know her for years, she is such a doll. Ruthie Peek A Boooooo ... Huggs !!!!!!!!!!

Have a great day everyone, I'll be back later to chat.

Ellis, I hear you on the eating and shoving it down as fast as possible, I know that feeling only to well. Sometimes I eat so fast I can't taste what I'm eating .. sick huh. Oh well :lol:

TTYL, Love Leens
PS I lost 14 years ago 150 lbs...mostly by starvation and let me tell you its NO FUN !!!! and Stupid. I won't do that again.

HIYA!!!

I AM IN A FUNK TODAY!!! AND FEELING ROYALLY PEEVED AT THE WORLD!!!!!

so how are you?

Leens-good for you for getting going!!! I think that is the hardest part!!! The SECOND hardest part is that point when the newness has worn off, but your appetite hasn't shrunk yet!!!! I'm at the third hardest point. I've lost a little, and I want to have it all off NOW and eat whatever i want too!!! (Like THAT is ever going to happen!!) WHY OH WHY CAN'T I LOSE WEIGHT ON THE FRENCH FRY DIET?!?:lol:

Ellis-I thought I was fat THEN too!! Can you believe it? Talk about sick!!! I kinda agree with you about the mastectomy. Having one off would be a bit LOPSIDED!!! And I don't want implants. Sometimes I tell hubby I'm getting 'em 'cause I'm not big enough!!!:lol: :lol: He just groans...

I'll write tomorrow when I am in a (hopefully!) better mood!!!

you're not alone, Den. I; too, am in a pissy mood.
I'll write later or tomorrow...
hi Leens!
I hope we feel better soon, Den. :lol:

Hi Everyone,
Got room for another to join you :wave: ? I hope everyone's day improves. I was feeling kind of low till i finally caved in and had some chocolate and now i'm feeling much better. I know i shouldn't use food for comfort but old habits die hard. I'm a major CHOCOHOLIC and find it very comforting, ok i need to work on my will power.

As for those of you who wish you had a smaller chest i can sympathize with you, I was a 38DDD before i had my daughter and went up 2 cup sizes while pregnant and did not lose an ounce of it after she was born or when i lost 40 pounds. My chiropractor says he'll sign the papers for me to have reduction surgery done but i think i want to wait we are sure were not having anymore children. I would hate to have it done then get pregnant again and they grow back:o .

I had better finish up my work, Everyone have a marvelous evening.:wave:
MrsM

Look Den and Leenie... we have a new friend! Welcome MrsM95!
:wave:

We love new people. We are the kindest, most nurturing people on this earth. :lol: And we're very depressed.
I'm feeling exactly like you right now... if it makes me feel better, I'm going to eat it. I know it's the wrong attitude, but...
How old is your daughter? How much weight do you need to lose? Do you suffer from depression?

I'm drinking club soda and orange juice. It's very yummy. And I bought some low fat butterscotch icecream. And my stomach is hanging over the top of my jeans. :(

I just bought myself a new game... Age of Empires... the gold edition which includes the expansion pack. Don't anyone tell me it's crap... it was the least undesirable game on the shelf, and I'm desparate for some mind-numbing distraction.

Den, you and I are completely on the same schedule. I feel like I could kick something right now.

Leens, stand up tall, and when they look you in the chest, raise your right knee sharply. Their head will jerk down and their hands will fly up to protect their groin.

Day 3! Good for you, Leens! Yes, Ruth IS a darling... she came to my house for coffee yesterday. And no; Den, my spice rack is NOT in alphabetical order. You should know me better than that by now. ;)

Must go and install my new game...
talk to you tomorrow...
ellis

WELCOME MRS.M!!!!!

The more the merrier!!! I think ALL of us need to work on our willpower!!! Actually Leens is doing REALLY well. I am getting back on track after eating a candy bar earlier this week. I love chocolate too, but my downfall is usually fried foods. :dizzy:

Well, my day didn't get a lot better yesterday, but hopefully today will be GREAT. I have to exchange propane tanks, and then get a lot of work done.

Ellis-That is one of the games I have considered buying too. Can't find many games that are Mac compatible. AAARRRGGHH!!! Hope today is better for both of us!!!!!

Leens-I think men just basically like looking there. They look down my shirt if I am wearing anything low cut!!! Or used to before I got so old and fat!!!!!

I'll check in later!!!

Good Morning Ladies:)
Lets see what can i tell you about myself. I'm in my late twenties, i have 60 more pounds to lose (it was 40 till the Dr. started messing with my medacine.). Hubby and I have been married for 7 years and we have a 2 1/2 year old little girl. I work in an office so i'm around most of the day.

Some of my favorite Chocolate WW OP treats are FF Chocolate pudding, chocolate gram crackers w/ FF cool whip & chocolate smoothies for breakfast (which i'm having right now:D ) I'm allergic to artificail sweetners so i have to be carefull what i get that is light.

In answer to ellis's question about if i suffer from depression Yes. I have for years but have only been taking medication for it the last 2 years. I also have PMDD and my hubby and i both think i have a hormone imbalance but we can't get my Dr's. to run the test for it so i am looking at changing Dr's again and will do so till i find one that will find the true root of my problem instead of just medicating me and telling me to live with it. I've had 3 dr's tell me to do that :mad: Ok time for me to come down off my soap box. I must say i do feel better now that i've vented.

i hope everyone is having a good day.
MrsM:wave:

Hello darlings...

Leens, are you there? How's little Gracie?

Den... still cranky, how about you? I'm enjoying my new game, though. I think I may have a couple of games that are Mac compatible... I'll check and email you...

MrsM... seven years marriage... that's great. I think that means you're over the worst. :)
You can vent anytime... that's what we're here for. It sounds as though you've got a supportive husband. That's a big help when you're suffering from depression. And it's important (and incredibly difficult) to find a good doctor. I've been fortunate... I've had the same doctor for almost 25 years. He's an orthodox Jew with 11 children, and I just love him. When I was pregnant with my second child I was terribly depressed. Of course, I wasn't taking any medication then, and my doctor said to me, "You will be alright.", and sent me on my way. I swear he must have been praying for me, because I was fine for the rest of the pregnancy. :)
He moved last year and I have a new doctor, but I've lucked out again... this one is so good with my daughter and I depression-wise. Keep looking... there's a good doctor out there for you; too, MrsM!!

Den, I've just ruined my last good pair of underware. aaaaaaaaargh!!!

talk to you soon...
ellis

Hi Girls,

Yes, I'm here, boss had been keeping me extra busy. I'm hoping to check back in later but if I don't have a wonderful weekend and I'll try to get back here on Monday.

Things are good, can't complain. Forgive me for not reading everything thru, I'll catch up later.

HUGGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love, Leens

Hope you all are okay !!

HI ALL!!!!

Today I am in a good mood, which is a nice change from last night!!!! DS #2 has an orchestra concert tonight, and tomorrow we are going to my parents' house to celebrate my Dad's 70th birthday. Another busy weekend!!!!

Mrs. M-I think I'm the oldest one here. I am 43, have 2 sons (15 and 12) and have been maried for 20 1/2 years. My hubby now goes around describing himself as, "an old married fart" to which I'd LIKE to be able to say, "he robbed the cradle", except that he is younger than me!!!!!! (by 2 years) I understand what you mean about doctors. It is hard to find someone to really LISTEN sometimes!!!!

Leens-You just tell your boss that you'll get to the work when you are done chatting with your friends!!!!!:lol: I mean...GET YOUR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT!!!!!!:D :devil: :D

Ellis-Hope things are starting to feel better for you. I was in THE WORST mood last night, and woke up this morning feeling GREAT, don't know why, but I'm glad!!!!! Re the underwear........NOW WE REALLY ARE TWINS!!!!!!!!!!!