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Old 05-19-2003, 09:19 PM   #46  
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I started reading Kurt Vonnegut when I was about 14. I loved Slaughterhouse Five!

I haven't had time to read much lately and I just read that Michael Slade has a new book coming out-guess I better finish the one I am reading right now
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Considering the way "Slaughterhouse five" with my mind, I wouldn't expect that an 11 year old would get too much out of the book. In fact I think it would be confusing and not very interesting.

I was also an avid reader at that age. Blessed with the ability to read at a very high level, but not the social graces - heh. I was just remembering today that I went on a Robert Cormier kick at about that age. I read every book of his. I especially enjoyed "I am the Cheese" which I had to read several times before getting the real meaning of the book. I enjoy books like that. And movies. Anything where I have to really pay attention and that causes me to think or want to write again.

I think that was what I enjoyed best about "Slaughterhouse five" after reading it I had more than just the desire to write again, I had something to write! I haven't had that feeling in years and it was amazing.
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Vonnegut is GREAT!! Took a class in high school were we read a bunch of his books. DH is a BIG fan, and has bought some of his more recent books.
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I just finished reading Ishmael, by Daniel Quinn. And I loved it.

It's basically about a Gorilla and his human student.. and a philosophical lesson about how the world has ended up in it's current state.

Some people find it a little too oversimplified though, but sometimes you just need things simplified. Others felt like they were being hit over the head with things they already knew in the back of their mind. As did I, but it made me look at those things in a different light.

I'm not sure what's next on the reading list. Maybe some Vonnegut. Speaking of Kurt... here is a little something to read if you wish. It's kind of long, but worth it.

The following is from a Clemens Lecture presented in April for the Mark Twain House in Hartford, Connecticut. It is by Kurt Vonnegut, author of classics such as Cat's Cradle , Slaughterhouse-Five , and Bluebeard

Strange Weather Lately
By Kurt Vonnegut
May 19, 2003


First things first: I want it clearly understood that this mustache I'm wearing is my father's mustache. I should have brought his photograph. My big brother Bernie, now dead, a physical chemist who discovered that silver iodide can sometimes make it snow or rain, he wore it, too.

Speaking of weather: Mark Twain said some readers complained that there wasn't enough weather in his stories. So he wrote some weather, which they could insert wherever they thought it would help some.

Mark Twain was said to have shed a tear of gratitude and incredulousness when honored for his writing by Oxford University in England. And I should shed a tear, surely, having been asked at the age of 80, and because of what I myself have written, to speak under the auspices of the sacred Mark Twain House here in Hartford.

What other American landmark is as sacred to me as the Mark Twain House? The Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C. Mark Twain and Abraham Lincoln were country boys from Middle America, and both of them made the American people laugh at themselves and appreciate really important, really moral jokes.

I note that construction has stopped of a Mark Twain Museum here in Hartford behind the carriage house of the Mark Twain House at 351 Farmington Avenue.

Work persons have been sent home from that site because American "conservatives," as they call themselves, on Wall Street and at the head of so many of our corporations, have stolen a major fraction of our private savings, have ruined investors and employees by means of fraud and outright piracy.

Shock and awe.

And now, having installed themselves as our federal government, or taken control of it from outside, they have squandered our public treasury and then some. They have created a public debt of such appalling magnitude that our descendants, for whom we had such high hopes, will come into this world as poor as church mice.

Shock and awe.

What are the conservatives doing with all the money and power that used to belong to all of us? They are telling us to be absolutely terrified, and to run around in circles like chickens with their heads cut off. But they will save us. They are making us take off our shoes at airports. Can anybody here think of a more hilarious practical joke than that one?

Smile, America. You're on Candid Camera.

And they have turned loose a myriad of our high-tech weapons, each one costing more than a hundred high schools, on a Third World country, in order to shock and awe human beings like us, like Adam and Eve, between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.

The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim Bouton what he thought of our great victory over Iraq, and he said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers."

What are conservatives? They are people who will move heaven and earth, if they have to, who will ruin a company or a country or a planet, to prove to us and to themselves that they are superior to everybody else, except for their pals. They take good care of their pals, keep them out of jail and so on.

Conservatives are crazy as bedbugs. They are bullies.

Shock and awe.

Class war? You bet.

They have proved their superiority to admirers of Abraham Lincoln and Mark Twain and Jesus of Nazareth, with an able assist from television, making inconsequential our protests against their war.

What has happened to us? We have suffered a technological calamity. Television is now our form of government.

On what grounds did we protest their war? I could name many, but I need name only one, which is common sense.

Be that as it may, construction of the Mark Twain Museum will sooner or later be resumed. And I, the son and grandson of Indiana architects, seize this opportunity to suggest a feature which I hope will be included in the completed structure, words to be chiseled into the capstone over the main entrance.

Here is what I think would be fun to put up there, and Mark Twain loved fun more than anything. I have tinkered with something famous he said, which is: "Be good and you will be lonesome." That is from Following the Equator. OK?

So envision what a majestic front entrance the Mark Twain Museum will have someday. And imagine that these words have been chiseled into the noble capstone and painted gold:

Be good and you will be lonesome most places, but not here, not here.

One of the most humiliated and heartbroken pieces Twain ever wrote was about the slaughter of 600 Moro men, women and children by our soldiers during our liberation of the people of the Philippines after the Spanish-American War. Our brave commander was Leonard Wood, who now has a fort named after him. Fort Leonard Wood.

What did Abraham Lincoln have to say about such American imperialist wars? Those are wars which, on one noble pretext or another, actually aim to increase the natural resources and pools of tame labor available to the richest Americans who have the best political connections.

And it is almost always a mistake to mention Abraham Lincoln in a speech about something or somebody else. He always steals the show. I am about to quote him.

Lincoln was only a Congressman when he said in 1848 what I am about to echo. He was heartbroken and humiliated by our war on Mexico, which had never attacked us.

We were making California our own, and a lot of other people and properties, and doing it as though butchering Mexican soldiers who were only defending their homeland against invaders wasn't murder.

What other stuff besides California? Well, Texas, New Mexico, Utah, Nevada, Arizona, and parts of Colorado and Wyoming.

The person congressman Lincoln had in mind when he said what he said was James Polk, our president at the time. Abraham Lincoln said of Polk, his president, our armed forces' commander-in-chief: "Trusting to escape scrutiny by fixing the public gaze upon the exceeding brightness of military glory, that attractive rainbow that rises in showers of blood that serpent's eye, that charms to destroy, he plunged into war."

Holy smokes! I almost said, "Holy ****!" And I thought I was a writer!

Do you know we actually captured Mexico City during the Mexican War? Why isn't that a national holiday? And why isn't the face of James Polk up on Mount Rushmore, along with Ronald Reagan's?

What made Mexico so evil back in the 1840s, well before our Civil War, is that slavery was illegal there. Remember the Alamo?

My great-grandfather's name was Clemens Vonnegut. Small world, small world. This piquant coincidence is not a fabrication. Clemens Vonnegut called himself a "freethinker," an antique word for humanist. He was a hardware merchant in Indianapolis.

So, 120 years ago, say, there was one man who was both Clemens and Vonnegut. I would have liked being such a person a lot. I only wish I could have been such a person tonight.

I claim no blood relationship with Samuel Clemens of Hannibal, Missouri. "Clemens," as a first name, is, I believe, like the name "Clementine," derived from the adjective "clement." To be clement is to be lenient and compassionate, or, in the case of weather, perfectly heavenly.

So there's weather again.

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Sonic... thanks for posting that. I read it last week... I forget where... and appreciated it.
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Vonnegut is one of my personal favorites. I really like the piece Sonic. I think you have to be able to read tongue in cheek since my DH doesn't get him. Still Life with Woodpecker is the same way by Tom Robbins.

I have been devoring books with great devotion as of late. I will not bore you all with everything I have been reading (About the terrible killers Rose and Fred West). I have started this wonderful murder mystery that is almost a case study in early forensics called the Fig Eater. REALLY GOOD!

Also for all those alternachicks that hate to define their love, Early Embraces. These are true life stories of women describing their first lesbian experience. It will take you back to that time of pure anticipation, without being dirty. That anticipation is something I miss.

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That reminds me, Chris... I hate mushy love stuff when I'm reading, but years ago I read a Colleen McCullough called ummmm, "The Ladies of Missalonghi". (to my chagrin, it's listed under "romance". ICK!!) I loved it. It appealed to my "simple side". Actually, there was some wicked satire in it.

I've just read Allan Fotheringham's "Last Page First". I don't agree with all of his viewpoints, but he's very cunning.
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Ellis it looks like this book has some good reviews and it doesn't sound that romance icky. Added to my wish list at Barnes and Noble ;-)

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WOW!! I just came to post a link to that speech Sonic!!! You beat me to it!
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Yeah, it's good, eh Den? It was probably you that sent it to me in the first place.
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Ishmael is my favorite book. I loved it.

I'm reading a freaking HYSTERICAL book called The Eyre Affair. It's a super smart/witty book and really a hoot to read.
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Yes, I quite liked that little speech (now if only he could write as well as he speaks... I kid)

I like this thread, lots of little goodies to read!

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Ellis-PROBABLY!!!! I also wrote the damn thing for him, but did I get any thanks?!?!

Sonic-(I usually lie to Ellis, but don't tell her, okay?)
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