Low Carb Frequently Asked Questions - Atkins Vs SouthBeach

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06-18-2003, 06:25 PM
presently I'm on Atkins and I do feel good great even I have no qualms not eating bread but I'm missing having as much veggies and fruit at all
is there anyone who can contrast the 2 woes for me I saw the basics of SB on prevention but honestly I can't afford the book right now to check it out

06-18-2003, 06:30 PM
Well, I don't have the book either BUT it seems that SB limits protein to lower fat meats, allows low gycemic Index carbs and does not put you into ketosis. SOme of the chicks on the South Beach thread will no doubt pop in later and straighten us both out.

Oh, and welcome to the Low Carb Forum. It's a good place to hang out.

06-18-2003, 06:42 PM
I have the book. What I noticed:

Similarities - two week induction, no fruit, lots of water, plenty of veggies (certain list), no dairy, no sugar.

Differences - With SB, you eat lo-fat cheese, margarine, FF half and half. They feel the carb count is not high with lo-fat dairy. With Atkins, they have you eating butter, cream, whole milk. There is also 3 phases with SB (induction, weightloss - intro. some carbs, maintenance - more carbs). Atkins has 4 phases I believe. SB lets you have apsartame jello and pudding as well.

What is nice about SB is that they outline menus for each phase which I like for the first two weeks. With Atkins, I poked around to find menus people developed.

I like the lo-fat approach to SB although a nutritionist friend of mine told me to avoid margarine - stick to olive oil, butter in small measures. The book does not go as in dept to the why it works as Atkins does (he is more scientific).

I am doing Atkins now just because it seems to have been around longer. I am trying to watch my dairy - especially my cheese. I do eat part skim mozerella stix.

That is what I have found. There are websites for both. I bought SB at the book store because I had a credit but its also on half.com and I'll bet you can get some gently used ones on amazon (I typically buy books that way there).

Hope that helps - sorry this is so long....Cheers...Sue

06-23-2003, 04:32 PM
Thanks I think i'm goign to stick with Atkins and see if I'm reallycraving bread I can find a high fiber one that has low net carbs but for now color methe meat and veggie queen

06-23-2003, 07:30 PM
Actually, SB stresses healthy fats (olive oil, canola oil) and healthy carbs (low GI).

In fact Sue, I don't think it endorses the use of margarine due to their composition of hydrogenated oils, which is discouraged.


06-24-2003, 01:17 AM
Yup! The only margarine he okays is Smart Spread (I THINK that is the name!!) He is VERY anti-trans fat. He does say somewhere in the book that butter is better than Margarine but try to stick to olive or canola oils.

06-24-2003, 10:40 AM
KO - DH and I eat low carb bread from Nature's Own. It's as good as regular bread, and only 5 gms of carbs. It has alot of fiber, and I think it might also have soy protien added. The best part is that we get it at Wal-mart for 1.68.

06-24-2003, 12:04 PM

If you'd like to read a snippet of the SB plan, go to

Prevention Magazine had this article in the May, 2003 issue. It explains the plan, with a sample menu for each phase with recipes.

Best wishes,

06-24-2003, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by KO
Thanks I think i'm goign to stick with Atkins and see if I'm reallycraving bread I can find a high fiber one that has low net carbs but for now color methe meat and veggie queen

I been on the Atkins diet now for 92 days.I missed the bread also,but now im not missing it as much.I think this is my diet plan for a long time to come.I got my physical last week Im a1 okie doakie lol.Keep up the great work.

07-07-2003, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by skymom
Actually, SB stresses healthy fats (olive oil, canola oil) and healthy carbs (low GI).

In fact Sue, I don't think it endorses the use of margarine due to their composition of hydrogenated oils, which is discouraged.


I AGREE !! that stuff will do more harm than good, did you know it takes your body sooooooo much longer to break margarine down then it does butter because of the chemicals thats in it.

Its the same for fat free and reduced fat items, you really need to watch out for this stuff.

Have you ever noticed since the food industry came out with all these "diet" foods since the 1970's we are the heaviest we've ever been....... makes yah think huh.

meg 1+2
07-08-2003, 07:48 PM
Hey Leenie!!!! Just wanted to say hello!!!

Hope you and the family and sweet little Gracie are well! I had stopped coming to fatchicks until I found that they started this SBD thread. So nice to have the support of everyone while I am reclaiming my life!!!

Take care!!!


P.S. Another son getting married next May!!! :yikes: here I go again with the dress hunt!!!!!!!!!

07-08-2003, 09:26 PM
I'm just curious~~~why was this thread made into a "sticky" and not a regular thread? :chin:

Suzanne 3FC
07-08-2003, 11:02 PM
Ruth stuck it for a while because it's a common question, so this will make it easy to find :)

07-08-2003, 11:09 PM
Sil, it was over in Low Carb so I copied it over as to answer a question. It's really not for posting. Just for info. Maybe it should be in FAQ?

07-09-2003, 09:52 AM
That makes sense, thanks :o

07-09-2003, 11:38 AM
It's me the new dummie again. I have three questions:
Can I use non-dairy creamer and how much?
Can I use mayo and how much?
Are we limited to the amount of white onion?

I wanted to make chicken salad for lunch, and I'm DYING for my coffee, but don't do it black!!!!!!!!!!!!

07-09-2003, 12:41 PM
Non-dairy creamer is full of carbs. Use skim milk.
Mayo - Low or no-fat only but remember calories count.
Onions? Lots of folks sneak in a bit but remember they are root veggies and do have carbs. i put celery in my chicken salads.

Hope this helps.

I going to lock this thread and move it to FAQ in a day or so. Please post specific questions as separate threads so they don't get lost in general posts in Low Carb!

07-18-2003, 11:34 AM
I just switched from Atkins to SBD because I couldn't take the meat and fat, and limits on veggis any more. I have to recommend Keto products to anyone who needs a sweet start in the morning. They have oatmeal and chocolate puffed cereal, with no sugar alcohols. The oatmeal is better than the real thing. Lo-fat, too so probably good for the SB diet and Atkins.

07-22-2003, 10:25 PM
Hi SCDiva, from your next door neighbor in Lexington! :wave: Good luck with the SBD!

09-06-2003, 11:19 PM
I just wanted to let you know (even though this is a pretty old thread) that not all non-dairy creamers are full of carbs. I have some plain generic non-dairy creamer which has only 1 carb per serving. Check the labels, you might find something good!

10-21-2003, 06:12 PM
SBD is sort of mid-way between Atkins and Sugar Busters. It is not low fat, it's just that Dr Agatston is concerned about the amounts of saturated fats in the diet. This diet was developed before some of the major study results showing lower serum triglyceride , and higher HDL levels with the use of saturated fats were in. Chances are he would be less concerned now.

As far as butter v margarine is concerned, butter has saturated fat, while most margarine is of unsaturated fat, but because virtually all margarine contains trans-fats, butter is the better choice. In the amounts eaten, the effects are small, but of course no standards have been set for trans-fat amounts, it is best to keep away from it. Since they are not required to list whether or not trans-fats are in the product, the label is no guide. My advice is to eat butter.

It is true that you could use skim milk in coffee, but keep in mind that skim milk has a good bit of carb in it which must be taken into account. I would use real cream, and none of the synthetics which are likely to have trans-fats in them.

01-18-2004, 12:24 AM
Whats a sticky?

01-18-2004, 06:42 AM
Moderators can "sticky" a thread so it stays at the first of the forum rather than dropping off the page as it ages.