LWL #118 - Week of 1 Sept 2003

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  • Morning ladies! Even though it’s Saturday I still woke up too early — but will try for a nap this afternoon. I’m going to do chest at noon and figure that should wipe me out enough so that I can have a snooze later. I’m becoming more and more convinced that sleeping is a very good thing for fat loss — now I just have to establish some better sleep habits. For me, going to sleep is never a problem — it’s the staying asleep part that I struggle with.

    On Thursday I went back to see my plastic surgeon and got out the last seven staples that had been accidentally overlooked (I went over each incision very carefully with the hand mirror to make sure we got them all this time!). Everything is healing well and there aren’t any restrictions on what I can do. My legs are still quite swollen and may be for a very long time (up to a year!). My doctor explained that he cut the skin down to the muscle (to take out the excess) and that disrupts the systems that circulate fluid throughout your body, so that fluid hits an incision and it acts like a dam and backs up. What my body needs to do is build new capillaries and such for fluid transport and exercise is great for that. But — get this — he said that right after I do cardio, I should lie down on the floor and put my legs up on a wall and let them drain for 5 or 10 minutes. Right there in the gym! I haven’t had the nerve to try that yet — yesterday I did cardio and drove home and was going to put them up but was so freaking hungry that I ate instead. I did contemplate having my salad while lying on my back with my feet in the air but thought that might be a little messy. He also said to spend as much time as possible just with my feet propped up. So I got to come home and tell DH that I have a medical excuse to be lazy and sit around with my feet up! (hasn’t happened yet but I have some new books this weekend … )

    So the bottom line is that it will still be quite a while before I can see the results of the surgery. We talked about scar care and he recommended Mederma for the larger areas and gave me a product called Fontinelle for the most visible scars (knees, arms). I searched for it on the Internet and couldn't find it — he ordered it from California and I suspect it’s fairly expensive. It’s supposed to be very good for scars and stretch marks. We’ll see how it works because I’m sure that only the first jar was free!

    On Thursday, I did legs for the first time in almost five weeks — and they still work! Now I really feel like I’m “back” after surgery! I did squats first, just with the bar to warm-up and see how I was doing with the range of motion, and each rep got easier and easier as the legs loosened up. I ended up doing five sets with weight, but not heavy at all. Then leg press — again at about 2/3 normal weight — and extensions and curls. Not a big workout by any means, but oh, I can feel it today! A lovely pain! I’m confident that I can hit them much harder next week.

    Now that I’m back doing my usual cardio and workouts, I upped my calories a bit ( I really got a lot hungrier when I started working out again). It’s funny how just an extra 100 or 200 calories (of clean food, of course) can keep me from cravings and give me more energy. It’s such a fine line we walk in trying to figure out what calories and ratios help us lose fat while at the same time keep our energy levels high. That’s why I’m such a big fan of tracking what you eat in Fitday or something like that — so you can go back and see what works and what doesn’t. Like I now know that I can’t consistently go below 1200 calories or I’ll binge eventually.

    I'm still up about 4 pounds from pre-surgery but hope most of that is retained water and fluids (I hope that I haven’t lost much muscle during my lay-off). It will be a long time before I can get an accurate caliper reading on my Thunder Thigh, so BF will have to wait for a while.

    Audrey and Robin — thank you for all the discussion on the PT program. I like learning about new plans and especially look forward to you reporting on your results. Audrey — I completely agree with you on the sugar. That is the one “food” (using the term loosely) that I try never to eat — because of how it makes me feel and it sets me up for craving and binges. Who needs those?

    Carrie — good luck on the new challenge! I’ll bet it feels good to be back at it again — are you doing BFL or another plan?

    JC — so cool on the HS reunion! You’ve got exactly the right attitude about going back. Have you figured out what you’re going to wear yet? Some little slinky black dress to show off your arms and shoulders?

    I’ve never been back to a reunion — I never even had a yearbook until I found one on Ebay a few years ago. I’d surprise them now, because I was always chubby in HS — I think I weigh less now than I did in junior high school!

    Tik — what’s wrong with breakfast at night??? It’s my favorite meal! The funny thing about the way I eat now is that it’s not “breakfast, lunch and dinner” but instead Meal One, Two etc. I didn’t realize that it strikes other people as odd until DH found me reading the morning paper and eating chili at 7 AM and got grossed out. Didn’t bother me a bit.

    Kempyd — WTG on the workouts!

    Ledom — the whole idea of free days and meals got less and less appealing to me as I saw the damage that they did to my progress. It’s disheartening to undo a whole week’s worth of work in one meal or day, and it seems like that's what happens to me. Let us know how you do with your goal of staying the same over the weekend.

    Hi to Tidey and Karen and Mel and all … and have great weekends!

    Meg
  • Hi all!

    A belated post from yesterday heh. I had a great legs workout and a decent 20MAS. My time has been hard to come by these days so I had to do them both at once. Ive stopped jogging in favor of incline walking. Im sceptical if it can give the same results but I will definately give it some time and see

    Food good, but as we grilled veggies yesterday I think it was high in good fats... Lots of water and stuff as well. Today is my free day but I am not going all out because I didnt eat 100% clean this week and I dont think my cardio is burning the calories it did when I was jogging (might be wrong tho...). Just going out for a latté and having tacos for dinner should be sufficient I actually find that I am not craving much "bad" food... might come from eating off plan almost all summer (not like a pig fest or anything, just not on plan) and I find my body likes it better when Im behaving myself lol No real PMS cravings either, which is nice

    I went out and bought myself a tabletop grill! Not a George Foreman one, but I cant find those here *pout* so I settled for a local brand. I cant wait to use it! Finally a fast way to cook chicken

    Well, Im off! Gotta get that latté!

    Meg, hope you're healing well. I always used Banana Boat vitamin E gel on road rash etc to stop scarring and it seemed to work.. I scar SO easily its infuritaing. I would use the time with the legs up the wall to do crunches... no one will think you're weird then! Or even strech out for 15 mins most ppl wont even blink.

    Tidey
  • Meg - glad to hear you hear you are healing well!! I am sure you look maaahhvelous

    I agree about the sugar. I know in 2 weeks I go into the fat burning mode of PT, and my sugars will be kept very low also, although I have been cutting them back anyways. But, the fruit will go!! Ahh well, at least summer is pretty much over and the nice fruits go with it so I won't be as tempted!!

    Free day for me is not a good thing I am finding out.....I binge. Not good. I am going to maybe keep it to a meal or two, and otherwise eat clean. For instance, tommorrow we go to Busch Gardens, so I will probably use one for there - and maybe that will be it.

    Anyways, off to get ready for the gym!!

    Robin
  • Hi!

    It's day 4 of my new program, and things are going well.

    I started on BFL over two years ago, losing fat and gaining muscle. After a year or so the fat loss stalled, and I tried the fat flush diet for nutrition while continuing lifting. This resulted in the loss of both fat and muscle, and it felt like my metabolism slowed down. When I went back to BFL eating, I seemed to gain fat (largely because of overeating on free days.)

    I then tried Body Rx and gained back some lean mass, but didn't lose fat. Since then, I've been doing BFL eating and my own lifting scheme, but stopped monitoring my progress. I knew things weren't going great, but was surprised to see how much fat had come back while eating clean 6 days a week, 12 weeks at a time. Those other days were really hurting me.

    So the first thing to go is free days. Second, I'm limiting my intake to 1200 calories, 6 days a week, and 1600 on the 7th day. I'm adding cardio back in, which I had stopped when I did Body Rx. To make the restrictions easier to face, I'm allowing myself to eat less-clean foods as long as I get over 100 grams of protein a day. If this causes problems, I'll clean it up. So far, I'm eating clean most of the time and consuming equal protein and carbs -- but having occasional bread and lite yogurt.

    My husband Brian has also stalled in his fat loss (but at least didn't gain fat like me!) His new program has super clean BFL eating and lots of cardio. He tend to feel more strongly about eating clean, and I'm more inclined to think that a carb is a carb as long as it doesn't encourage a binge. But he may prove me wrong!

    I never stopped lifting, but now I'm trying harder to increase my weights as much as possible.

    I'll let you know how things are going. It's inspiring to read here how hard everybody is working, and how well you're doing.

    Carrie
  • This is a repost from www.leanandstrong.com

    I loved this post and thought it would be a good read for the newbies out there, and those of us who are still struggling.

    ______________________________________

    "It's so easy for you, Tom"

    Posted By: Tom Walsh <Send E-Mail>
    Date: Friday, 5 September 2003, at 4:13 p.m.

    Do you know how much that hurts you when you say that? It annoys me a bit, but really, the damage is being done to the speaker of those words, not me.

    (I've been sitting on this thought for a loooooong time)

    I recently got serious again after the birth of my second son last month. Now, being irresponsible in the eating dept while Lindsay was pregnant is a debate for another day, in another thread. And in the past 2 short weeks, I've dropped some weight (or "insurance" as I like to call it). Already I'm hearing the familiar echos of people saying "you lose weight so easily" or "all you have to do is think about losing weight and you do" etc...

    And I shake my head because people don't get it. There's nothing easy about it. Do they envy me? Do they wish they were me? They'd be in for a rude awakening.

    Since the fall of 1989, when I started cross country as a HS soph, I have not had a long layoff from working out, except for one 6-month stretch in 2000. I don't mean weekend warrior crap and community softball. I'm talking confuse-the-family make-people-vicariously-tired running and lifting. When it was hoops, it wasn't a friendly game of horse. It was 4 hour battles on the blacktop with wannabes, college players, and grizzled veterans, all out for blood. Then there are races and bike rides.

    That's 14 years of investment. 14 years of pain and I have not let myself recover/change/slide/morph so much that it forgets where it belongs.

    I try to bite my tongue when I hear the complaints, but not always. Have these complainers spent 13.5 of the last 14 years training hard? Do they know what it's like to have exercise addiction and poor eating habits drive them up the wall?

    But the crux of the message is that calling it easy for me is really making an excuse for you. There is nothing special or magical about my metabolism. There is no fat-resistent gene in my DNA. I am not a gifted athlete. I am not lucky. I'm not unlucky either, just not blessed physically.

    I was like those complainers. I saw "big" people who leaned down and became specimens as lucky because they always had that mass under the fat. Or someone played football years ago and just has more muscle. Or someone's story was so compelling that it made him/her stick to the program better. Yada yada yada.

    I was not free.

    I was not free from conditions or restrictions that I was fully placing on myself. I was finding ways to explain my way out of immediate success. I was chaining myself to lower expectations and assuming everyone around me was special. Hmmmm... I was making most people the exceptions and the minority (me) the norm....

    How odd.

    It's as if I complained that the people with the big houses are lucky. Sure, maybe they seem that way. But what do I know about the dues they paid, the bills they juggled, the stress they endured? Nothing. It's just a way to make myself feel better by playing the victim.

    Don't play the victim. If you were inactive for a long period of time, a few months of BFL or whatever won't "fix" you. You'll have great success, but you can't complain that after years of inactivity, 6 months of bfl, and then a month off, that you can't easily lose the weight from that month.

    We talk about killing the old you. He doesn't always die in one 12 week period. You may fight demons months and months after as he tries to come back like a Phoenix rising from the ashes. You're body was used to a certain way. We're all trying to get ourselves used to the new way.

    So maybe I do lose my initial weight quickly. Is it because I'm lucky I was training for 14 years that I adapt well to change? No, it's not luck. I chose to stay active and train and push and try.

    Let go of the "you're lucky" excuses. Free yourself from the excuse that it is so hard for you. Don't compare yourself to others that may have already done a lot of the work. yes, there may be exceptions to the rule, but for the most part anyone who has accused me of luck or ease has not done the work I have.

    Look at those you consider successes. They don't compare themselves to others. They don't get caught up in the worry about not losing as fast as jane or cannot put on muscle like joe. They look at themselves and they answer to themselves. They ask questions that have real answers (sweet potato or brown rice?), not questions that are really cries for help (Why me?).

    Free yourself from yourself. Don't ask the unaswerable questions. Don't waste your time figuring out why you can't. Success will come when you figure out how you can.
    ------------------------------------------------------

    Food for thought?

    Tidey
  • Hi girls !!!!!


    Ledom – I soooo understand you I have been at BFL lifestyle for quite a while too with no weight loss. But I KNOW I am feeling so much better and I am more muscular. Like this week, 163 Monday, 160 Thursday, 164 Friday, and I swear I have been extremely good this week...Good for you on hopping out of bed and working out, congrats on no diet drinks for the past year...It isn’t easy even at the best of times......

    Red – I love the ppl in the morning at our gym... We are all in the same age bracket even though we are all doing our own thing we always take a minute to joke...congrats on the 12 sugarless days!

    Mel – Gorgeous pic of DD and you? Now which one is which? Honestly you are both very beautiful...

    Meg -- Your posts are ALWAYS an inspiration, I get so much out of all of them...I'm so glad your legs still work and I really don't think you'd look silly putting your legs up against the wall in the gym, it would look like you are either doing an awesome special stretch or if you come up and try to touch your toes it would look like you are doing some ab work... Voila! No one would know any different...

    Carrie ~~ Your hubby is right with the clean carbs, the cleaner and less processed the better, IMO...

    JEC ~~ You will have so much fun at your reunion! We had a blast at ours... the first night on a Friday is usually a Wine and Cheese party, and this is the best night of the weekend... EVERYONE is there... REally cool! I felt fat at our (when I say our I mean DH and I, not that we went to the same HS but there are only 3 HS's in this town and everyone knows your name... ) but I still got many compliments on how great I looked... As long as you are comfortable in your own skin and you have grown as a person you will have a great time...

    Tik ~~ I eat a "meal" now and don't think of my day as breakfast, lunch and supper any more either, food is food is food, and I've eaten a salad before bed before ... And I have an omelette for supper quite regularly...

    Jen -- have you tried taking vitamins with milk, this is what my mom does, she cannot tolerate any pills without milk no matter what it is... the doc had recommended that years ago, it coats the stomach lining...

    Sugar ~~ with all this talk of sugar, I fell off the wagon today, I ate 4 granola bars in a row, AND guess what I did afterwards??? CRASHED!!! Slept all afternoon on the couch... DAMN!! Oh well tonite I was back on track and ate chicken on a bed of lettuce with fresh tomatoes and plain olive oil, salt and pepper... Olive oil is my favourite dressing lately..:yum:

    I have had a very busy week this week at work, I am so confused at times, and feel totally incompetent. Nevertheless, someone is always encouraging me that I am doing a great job with very little formal training and that they could never jump into a position and go at it blindly as I do... Therefore, I guess I should be very proud of myself... IN ADDITION, even with all this stress I have not strayed from my food program (patting self on back here) I really can’t believe that myself... Hey, imagine I may loose a pound or two, wouldn’t that be a bonus... I am being facetious here... Because I NEVER loose weight.... But I tell you everytime I do an EDT type of work out (Escalating Density Training for Red :wink: ) my good god my back and shoulders get wide... I may do a 4th week of it, or take a break because it's really hard on my joints, I need to give the ole joints a rest...go back to 4-5 day split... then do another 3-4 week stint...

    Well anyways I've taken up enough room on the board, so everyone have a great weekend, and stay OP...

    Later!!
  • Say Hi To Cindy!
    I’m copying a post from Cindy, otherwise known as BFL Cat, that she posted on the Introductions thread. I wanted to make sure it didn’t get overlooked and I know that Ilene will have something special to say:


    Quote:
    Intro from new member
    Hello there - I am brand new to the 3FC site, but not new to BFL. I am on week 9 of my second BFL Challenge. I've lost approximately 25# of fat thus far, and am wearing Misses size 16 clothing again for the first time in over 10 years!

    I am 40, live in upstate NY, single, no kids (just 3 feline babies), 5'4" and 200#. My lean body mass is 140#, so my current long-term goal is 18% body fat at 170#.

    I seem to be in a bit of a plateau right now, so any suggestions you could send my way would be appreciated!
    Cindy


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    Which me do I want to be today - the old me, or the new me?
    Meg
  • Hey hey! I had my soccer presentation night and I left it open for a free meal but when looking at the food there I decided I could keep it clean so I did that instead. Now I can have a decent carb up tonight on foods that I want to eat. Besides that we had some really interesting conversations with people which were good including the old fat loss discussion. I was surprised at how everyone listened to me about what I was saying. One of the girls on my team had borrowed my Body For Life book and read it and wanted to start the program so I told her to ring me! Can’t wait to hear from her.

    Besides that I was soooo busy running around yesterday but my food stayed on track and so did my water. Does anyone else find it hard to get water in on a weekend? The other thing was that TOM came this morning without pain, bloating or any mood swings??? What’s up with that? Weird……….

    Red: sorry about all the confusion. That’s why this thread is called those who lift weights because we all do different programs!

    BFL = Body for Life
    BodyRx = BodyRx
    NHE = Natural Hormonal Enhancement
    CKD = Cyclical Ketogenic Diet
    PT = Physical Transformation (I think)

    If you wants specifics then ask whoever may be doing the program at the time or check the stick threads for links.

    Meg: you are dead right sleeping is excellent for fatloss. I wish you could sleep better though – I seem to sleep like a log 99% of the time. Glad to hear that your body is healing up well. I am POSITIVE that those 4 lbs are water especially if you are retaining like your doctor said. What am I going to wear to the reunion? No idea!! I am not a clothes horse so I will probably just go pick up something before hand!

    I think in terms of meals as well. I never say breakkie or lunch anymore – it’s meal 3 or 4 etc.

    Tidey: I have been thinking about getting one of those grills they have only been released in Australia over the past 6 months or so. Great post by Tom by the way – he really hits the mark.

    Carrie: good luck with your new program. If I can just ring in with your husband one carb is not the same as another carb. I would be more inclined to eat higher calories of clean foods than lower calories of not so clean foods. My theory is though that is I am going to cut my calories back low to get some extra fatloss I may as well be giving my body what it needs instead of using it as an excuse to eat what I shouldn’t. But that’s just me!

    Ilene – I always crash after sugar!

    Cindy: A big welcome! CONGRATUALATIONS on coming so far on BFL! I am sure that all of s would love to give some suggestions to you but it’s a bit hard without knowing what you are eating and doing for exercise. Are you doing BFL split as it is in the book? What sort of foods do you eat? Etc

    JC
  • More about my program
    Thanks JC and Meg! I am still doing BFL pretty much by the book. For cardio I am doing Elliptical - I have a bum knee, so running isn't possible just yet - maybe once I lose more weight.
    Food-wise, I'm eating about 150 grams of protein per day. My free days are more like just a couple of free meals/snacks - nothing out of control.

    Anyway, during this challenge, I really haven't lost any weight, and my body fat is only down 1%. However, I will say that my progress photos did show that I've lost quite a bit of fat from my upper body - back, shoulders and neck are are much smaller than they were at the beginning of this Challenge. And, about another 1/2" each from calf and thigh.

    I know this IS progress, however, nothing like I saw during my first challenge. I would like to lose at least 30 more pounds of fat, and want to get moving on that. I lost 23# of fat in my first Challenge, and only 2# this on thus far.
    Cindy
  • Thanks Cindy, I guess by detail I mean loads of detail. Can you tell us what foods and when you eat them? Like this;

    Meal 1: portion of oats and 6 egg whites.... etc

    Cool?

    JC
  • JC,

    Id be really interested to hear more about the plan you are doing... less carbs overall with a carb up meal sounds like something that might work for me. I know I need carbs to build muscles but I find I feel fuller longer if I eat more good fats, independant of eating carbs. Your split (50p-35f-12c) sounds like something I would like to try What fat/carb sources do you use? Sample menu?

    BFL Cat, sounds like you had a great 1st challenge! The second one is always harder. You might want to change up your cardio (try the interval training for 1 day a week. high intensity for 30 seconds, walk for 30 seconds. repeat for last 5 minutes of your 20MAS), or add some extra fast walks during the week, nothing like the 20MAS mind you. Just to keep your body moving. Maybe clean up your eating more if you already havent (cleaner carbs, more fiber and veggies). As long as your are seeing progress, you're definately ahead of the game! Just keep yourself motivated and you're halfway there

    Also, what exercises are you doing? There may be a way to switch up your routine to include exerciese that are excellent for the targeted muscle, but which also include a lot of the rest of your body. For me, I found that doing all my leg work with a barbell and a rack (deadlifts, sqats (careful with that knee if you want to do squats), good mornings, and calf raises) gives me a greater feeling of "oh god so tired!" than using a machine to do curls will. I dont get really hungry if I do curls etc, but when I use the rack I could eat a horse! Im trying to find the most effective upper body ones as well, so if anyone has suggestons Id love to hear em!

    I also think I finally managed to get my freeday under control! Im quite proud of myself Here's my menu from yesterday:
    1-protien shake
    2- café latté and slice of carrot cake (heaven....im in heaven....)
    3- protien bar
    4 - 2 homade tacos, small bowl of ice cream
    5 - 2 mini pizza's, 2 open face sandwiches with hard cheese and jam (its a european thing. they have really nice thinly sliced cheese and you put apricot marmalade on it and ohhh its yummy!)

    AND THATS IT! I didnt eat the whole house. I only at what I wanted and I stopped when I wasnt hungry! I did it! I definately think it was my freedays and unclean menu's last time that held me back, so this time I am going to do my best to be more honest about my eating.

    Anyways, Im off to do UBWO and 20MAS.

    Tidey
  • Ok, here's a sample day. Please note that I've pretty much been eating like this from the beginning. C1 had many more MRP bars and much more lean ground beef than C2.

    1 - 1% milk w/instant coffee, Zone bar
    2 - 1.5 c. cottage cheese, 1 c. fresh blueberries
    3 - can of tuna, 1 T. lt. mayo, whole wheat crackers (20g carbs)
    4 - Myoplex light shake make w/1c. 1% milk, 1 c. water
    5 - 6 oz. chicken breast, pasta, veggie
    6 - bowl of Kashi Go Lean w/ ground flaxseed (I know, I know....)
    Water - about a gallon a day, but less on weekends.

    Meals 3 and 5 vary - sometimes tuna and crackers, or cottage cheese, salsa and baked tostitos, many different chicken recipes with either pasta, brown rice, or ww couscous as the carb.

    I have a terrible cereal habit that I find hard to give up. First I switched to whole grains, then I eliminated sugary types. Now, I only allow myself the Kashi w/flaxseed. Still working on eliminating this.

    This menu plan reflects a recent increase in protein - I was having problems with fatigue and hunger (could be the rack legwork Tidey!), and I called EAS. They suggested I increase my protein intake 50%, and it worked like a charm. This was just a week ago that I implemented that.

    As for exercises, I am doing mostly free weights. I do change my routine every four weeks, and I do work muscle groups to failure each time. I struggle sometimes to come up with leg exercises - I was able to do Smith squats for a while, but then they started bothering me. I am currently nursing a hamstring pull/cramp, thanks to the curl machine. I switched to the cable pulley for quads, but think I need to rest it - it cramps up after sitting for any length of time (if pressure on the back of my thigh), and Friday I pulled it again while out on a short hike.

    As for cardio, I know I am in a bit of a rut. I've been doing the Elliptical since C1W8 - so a full 12 weeks of it! I tried to start running a few weeks back, but my joints just can't take it yet - feet, ankles and knees were not happy even with five minutes! I hadn't thought about doing the HIIT on the Elliptical before, but I think I should give it a try - could just push hard on the speed for those minutes.

    Ok, there you have it! A lot of info, I know, but I welcome your critique... I know there are things that aren't perfect, like the cereal, but my attitude in the past has been that I need to make the plan work for me - meaning something I can live with from day to day, without feeling deprived. Perhaps now I am ready to make some more "sacrifices" to improve my progress.
    Thanks in advance for your help!
    Cindy
  • Cindy,

    well it looks fine to me... *ponder* I guess you need the help of long timers like Mrs. Jim and company heh

    I would maybe try to eliminate wheat and go for other grains if possible.. Maybe slip some oatmeal in there instead? What kind of pasta are you eating? I know that regular pasta is not really that good of a choice (processed carb), so if you can get SOBA noodles (check the oriental section of your grocery store) which are made of buckwheat, or even whole wheat pasta would be a better choice. I find that I prefer the WW kind now.

    Im sure that the other ladies on here can be much more help than I am, so Im waiting to hear their responses

    Good luck!
    Tidey
  • okay my critique....

    meal 1- dump the bar. Eat eggs ( 6 whites a 2 yolks would be find) plus say 3/4 cup dry oatmeal, cooked.

    meal 2- pretty good.

    meal 3- I hope that's a big (6 oz) can of tuna. Dump the crackers and eat some brown rice ( 3/4- 1 cup) or a sweet potato.

    meal 4- I'm not a fan of shakes except post workout as they tend to burn really fast. But...use only water, no milk. I like mine with 1 cup water, 1 cup crushed ice in the blender, this makes it really thick.

    meal 5- skip the pasta; try to eat more unprocessed carbs like brown rice, oats, sweet potatoes, corn.

    meal 6-again with the processed grains? Plus there's no protein here. How about a cup of cottage cheese and an apple instead of the cereal?

    The more unprocessed your foods are, the better your results will be; I don't think anyone will disagree with me on this.

    Hope that helps

    Laura
  • Cindy !! Welcome!! WE LUVS NEWBIES HERE!!!!

    Meg ~~ Thanks for bringing that post to my attention I certainly did miss it... I certainly wouldn't want to miss anyone

    Cindy ~~

    Eliminate: 1. the barseat real food make some protein pancakes and roll them up in plastic, refrigerate and take along for a quick eat....2. the milk it has ALOT of sugar in it just use water for your shakes and take a multi for your calcium... 3. the cereal but you already know that, and I had an awful cereal habit too they are hard to break, now I love oatmeal or steel cut oats...4. The whole wheat crackers and pasta replace with a baked potatoe, sweet potatoe or yam, or brown rice, corn....the LESS processing the better. I've even had my salad with chicken and had oatmeal with vanilla and splenda for desert (sort of, in my mind it was desert ok!!?? )

    This is what I see with your food plan, I know with time you will probably just automatically eliminate those processed food. Also with time if you will see improvement if you PLAN, PLAN, PLAN....

    Tidey ~~ That is a very controlled free day.... Congrats!!!

    Yesterday, I guess you would call a free day for me, between the stooooopid granola bars and during the evening I had wine too...Today is a new day a new beginning...

    Well I must go ... not that I have much to do today, so I will be back I'm sure....

    Later!!