Would you like to be the pot or the kettle? Because you did not read my entire post either.

I said to blame it solely on society is a cop-out. I also said that I don't know if she suffered childhood trauma or neglect...however, even if she did suffer childhood trauma and neglect, that still isn't an excuse! She isn't the only one to ever experience any suffering. You've shown that yourself with your own story. If everyone that suffered any hardships acted the way she does, the world would be in complete chaos.

All I have to say is, if my son hit me and called me a b****.... God rest his soul!

Who are you talking about?

I came in at the end of the debate? I made the first or second comment. *is confused*

I just don't like it when people make excuses for their or other peoples' behavior. Ok, so she might have had a bad childhood, so what? Plenty of people have bad childhoods, and they don't go out and spend thousands of dollars on in vitro and have 14 kids. No number of excuses excuses her behavior or her choices.

She has problems and her children deserve ot be raised by a stable parent. Her kids will most likely be taken away by child protective services, people like her are why CPH exists. No number of nannies will raise those kids right.

I had good parents...

look what happened to me

He's got a point..

Kiahna - I just want to say that I really respect how you have held your own in this discussion without making snide personal comments toward anyone, though a few have been directed toward you. It's interesting because you are the lone voice here calling for compassion and understanding- why can't more of us be this way? I don't think anyone wants to be judged harshly for her own mistakes, yet so many of us are quick to judge others. I personally find being overly judgmental or critical to be one of my own worst qualities - I love to watch reality shows and at times do gloat over another's misfortunes or even gossip about people I know. I truly dislike this quality in myself and have worked to improve it... although I don't work on it as hard as I should.

It's hard for me to be as nonjudgmental as you are (including about this topic), but I commend you for both your ability to try to understand the whole person, as well as to stay composed in this discussion.

I only caught the last couple of minutes of the show after I read this post (last night), and the mere sight of those 8 babies laying on the rug, screaming their heads off in unison is enough to make me glad I didn't watch the whole thing!

I've seen enough interviews of her on other shows to believe that there is something wrong with her mentally. I don't mean that it's nuts to have that many kids (because the Duggers seem quite happy, and my dad has 10 siblings), but that she seems....detatched from reality or something. She can put sentences together, but what she says doesn't seem to make sense (to me). Very strange situation.

And I'm wondering....how does a student find the money to get IVF in the first place? A friend of mine is looking into it, and it's $15K for the FIRST treatment alone.

Making mistakes at the expense of yourself is one thing, but making mistakes at the expense of another (or 14 others in this case) is an entirely different case.

From disability checks.

LOL

Ive shown that I have overcome... that doesnt mean everyone can...if you really believe that then the world would be perfect... Majority of my family havent....Not everyone can be the same or react the same....I may have overcome but I still have trust issues that i am working on...So I know that even if I do become rich I will still have some problems...

I didnt make excuses...your not listening..your the type of person who is like "so what you had it hard...overcome it right now!"not reality...your mind is extremely complex and can make or break you....How about this..How about we agree to disagree...you think everyone should react to things like you think they should...Its just not reality....I hope she gets better and I hope for the best...

But being understanding of the person and where they've come from is an admirable thing, no? That's what I was driving at - I agree she is likely going to damage 14 little lives and personalities but still do we need to judge, judge, judge (criticize) or somehow reach out in a positive way. By "we" I mean all of us and society in general.

Thank you...I am judged so much still..So I dont like to judge others..I know how it hurts..And it can hurt bad! Im still battling myself to be what I want to be...