I am not trying to "attack" anyone by any means! That is the last thing I want. I am a coach for IP and have been a dieter as well. I also worked for the company for a while. Of course they want to make a profit. No one is denying that. I have been to training with the company and have met Dr Tran in person. He is all about helping people reach optimal health. This diet is designed to keep the muscle and trim the fat. I just don't understand how you can do that on your own if you don't follow the protocal. Yes you may be losing the weight but do you know if you are losing mucsle and fat? Do you have a way of measuring that at your gym? or at home? I do have some dieters that only eat 2 of our meals a day and they are slowly losing. I just can't predict their results. I want to help people feel the way I do! THIS diet changed my life and I did have a hard coach. But I am very greatful for making the sacrifices I did to be able to afford to be on this plan. I wish everyone luck on their own journey to a healthier life!
Many of us use the Omron scale which measures fat/muscle, etc. at home. I'm following the IP protocol, but have been using alternatives all along, and my losses have been in line with that 3+ pounds a week that IP used to advertise. There is no IP clinic where I live, and besides, I could not afford to use the IP products, so this forum has taught me so much about this diet (and Dr. Tran's site too).
Yes Men do lose more than women. If you take your average over the course of the weight loss program it averages between 3-7 pounds a week. Some weeks you will lose 2 some weeks you might lose 4. That is why they average it out.
I was under the impression that the 3-7 lbs weight loss per week were old numbers and that the updated numbers for women anyway are much lower 2-3 is what my coach tells me. She said anything over 3 is more in line with mens losses.
I was under the impression that the 3-7 lbs weight loss per week were old numbers and that the updated numbers for women anyway are much lower 2-3 is what my coach tells me. She said anything over 3 is more in line with mens losses.
That's what I thought too. There are lots of people on this forum who are 100% OP and have never had losses at 3-7 pounds a week.
Yes Men do lose more than women. If you take your average over the course of the weight loss program it averages between 3-7 pounds a week. Some weeks you will lose 2 some weeks you might lose 4. That is why they average it out.
Where in WA are you? I'll be there in April for the super weekend! I just went to the one here in New Orleans
Yes Men do lose more than women. If you take your average over the course of the weight loss program it averages between 3-7 pounds a week. Some weeks you will lose 2 some weeks you might lose 4. That is why they average it out.
I don't see that many people are losing like that. We, longtime folks, are averaging are losses, but those 4 pound losses are thought to be whooshes a lot of times, and not a normal event.
Look at WUV. She's been 100% and her losses haven't been 3-7 pounds a week. She's a hero to so many of us here.
I was under the impression that the 3-7 lbs weight loss per week were old numbers and that the updated numbers for women anyway are much lower 2-3 is what my coach tells me. She said anything over 3 is more in line with mens losses.
MY coach and paperwork from him said 2-5 for women; 3-7 for men.
And they may have stopped saying 3-7 pounds a week but it is not because it is unrealistic. I lost 3.5 pounds a week for 5 months. They stopped saying it because people were not following it the way it was written so they can't guarentee the results. I feel like people are angry with the company and I am not sure why. If you don't like it then why are you doing it? Is someone forcing you to diet?
Sorry but what I think you are missing here is that people aren't complaining about the diet just that they get upset when a coach berates them for using an alternative (which may meet every guideline as an IP product) instead of one from IP. People still like the protocol or diet but maybe can't afford the IP prices or want something a little different.
As far as the losses, I'm a male (last I checked anyway) and I've been 100% OP (with ONLY IP products), and my coach is complaining because I'm not losing enough. She hasn't accused me of cheating (yet) but the looks she gives me certainly says she's thinking it. Everyone is different and are going to lose at different rates. I'm happy with what's going on but can certainly understand people who want to mix things up a bit.
I don't see that many people are losing like that. We, longtime folks, are averaging are losses, but those 4 pound losses are thought to be whooshes a lot of times, and not a normal event.
Look at WUV. She's been 100% and her losses haven't been 3-7 pounds a week. She's a hero to so many of us here.
My average over 97 weeks and losing 236lbs is 2.43lbs
OH PUUUUUUUULEEEEESE!!!!!!! IP is a revenue producing business. We all know that. I don't like that we are all afraid to state our opinion on tbecause we will be attacked. I will not live in fear.....I have a right to say what I feel. Attack me if you so desire....I have more class than to attacke you Some of us don't have the money to spend on IP $27.00/ box. I supplement the required amount of protein as I am sure all others do as well on alternatives. EAS costs less than 50 percent of IP. Please give the "poor" folks a break We want to lose weight too
AMEN! LOL
And we are on the IP forums because we follow the IP plan. Even if we don't use the food, we love the support and to not be told to go away and do something else if we can't afford IP.
Sorry but what I think you are missing here is that people aren't complaining about the diet just that they get upset when a coach berates them for using an alternative (which may meet every guideline as an IP product) instead of one from IP. People still like the protocol or diet but maybe can't afford the IP prices or want something a little different.
As far as the losses, I'm a male (last I checked anyway) and I've been 100% OP (with ONLY IP products), and my coach is complaining because I'm not losing enough. She hasn't accused me of cheating (yet) but the looks she gives me certainly says she's thinking it. Everyone is different and are going to lose at different rates. I'm happy with what's going on but can certainly understand people who want to mix things up a bit.
It upsets me til no end when coaches "assume" there is cheating or you are not doing something correctly. My people will NEVER hear the word ONLY when they have a loss. I don't expect them to lose big numbers every week, I have been there I KNOW it don't happen reguardless if you are 100% or not. I have been 100% since day one 97 weeks ago and have had small losses, NO losses and even gains...WHY??? I have no clue, my body just didn't want to let go of anything that week for whatever reason. It didn't matter to me as long as something was coming off it didn't matter to me. Usually when I have small losses I would lose inches, SOMETHING was coming off that is all that mattered to me
They are in ti for the profit...its as damn business. My coach dropped me because I was buying my IP products online (mainly because she NEVER had the products I wanted to buy). Her loss, now she can't show my before and after pictures to bolster her business...AND she lost my husband's business also. He just started Alternatives and is down 9 lbs in the first 5 days already.
I was 100% OP all the time and still only averaging 2 lbs a week.
I am in Auburn but I used to Coach at Bothell Chiropractic and Wellness with Dr Dusty. I know you have been in contact with her. She has the most amazing office. You will not believe it when you see it! She has her own gym now for IP dieters. She has done a great job there!
And we are on the IP forums because we follow the IP plan. Even if we don't use the food, we love the support and to not be told to go away and do something else if we can't afford IP.
Agree.
In my experience, most people with a weight problem significant enough to bring them to this plan have been berated and accused and suspected and blamed for their weight issues over and over again. They have been made to feel inferior and to feel ashamed and to feel set apart for too long. IP coaches (as well as mere commentators on forums) would do well to remember that. People need support, understanding, and encouragement. Most of that can be accomplished in the way to speak to people, regardless of corporate policy. I will no longer hand over money to anyone who makes me feel bad about myself . . . whether I am buying enough of their products or not.
