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Originally Posted by Ishbel
I feel like this might be directed to me as we had a bit of a back and forth a couple of days ago.
Patns, I'm sorry if I offended you at all this past week. I feel that perhaps I shouldn't even comment but I feel the need to.
I personally need a place to go when I need to feel stronger. Seeing others being strong helps me and I don't think that's to much to ask for. I had spent probably a month watching someone very specific tumble out of control and post how often they were cheating and losing at a good pace. Can you cheat and lose? Probably. Will you be following the science of giving your pancreas a rest, nope. The constant requirement for encouragement was a never ending battle and mentally exhausted me. This was not someone who cheated once and learned, or accidently put something they weren't suppose to in their mouth.
I'm sorry you (and others) may not like the 100% thread and believe it's a black and white us vs them. I just don't feel that way. Quite honestly, I consider it my new place to lay my hat. This doesn't mean that I won't offer up positive comments, encouragement and tid bits of experience when I'm feeling strong (9 months in to it I know less then 500 posts means I'm not much of a cheerleader). But at least this way, when I know where I am emotionally, I can go to a specific thread.
I respect your experience and have used some of your advice in my own journey.
Good luck to you!
If I'm reading to much into this...I apologize again.
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No need to apologize at all. I have no issue with the idea of a no cheat thread. That is what we all aim for. It is just an issue with the wording I have trouble with. It may not be a big deal but to me the 100 % gives the impression that one minor slip and you are done for. This is an example of that. There is a huge difference between someone who accidentily eats two cheerios and someone who plans ahead to go out and go off plan because it is a social occasion or even just the regular daily carb feast at work.
We know that we totally have to change how we look at food and will have to for the rest of our life. To see someone reduced to tears over the two cheerios is not what the plan is meant to be.
But the term 100% gives the impression a minor moment of not paying attention or a slight mis-interpretation of the protocol is the end of the line.
What I had issue with was the statements of the original poster in the thread the other day.
She started by saying she was fed up with cheaters and then listed as cheats things my coach had stressed were helpful things (well except for the MIO in Canada). Then she asked who was willing to suffer with her. Well personally I have not suffered on plan since the migraines of the initial withdrawal so didn't agree with the post at all.
Staying on plan has only given me energy and has resulted in slow but steady weight loss. WUV made a new thread which certainly would not be coming from the same point of view and whoever feels comfortable there should go there.
My sensitivity is that as a slow loser the first thought by many coaches seems to be you must be cheating. It is stated many times on here if you cheat you are out, my point in that discussion is what actually is a cheat may not be the same to everyone or even to every coach. If my coach had follwed that rule I'd be gone because I only lose 1-2 pounds a week, well actually 2 pounds would be a huge celebration.
My losses are much slower than the norm because of my age, my height, the fact at this point I didn't have a huge amount to lose. I had already lost the larger % of my excess weight by cutting out grains several years ago.
But I have been excited to realize in the past week or so that something else that caused such a slow loss was that I had gotten in a rut. What I was eating all the time added up to almost no fat. When I added back things like oil that I had dropped my weight is coming down again. So cheats are not the only issue and so much advice when someone has a slow loss is to cut back on things that are actually a part of the protocol.
So all of those thoughts came together with that poster's concerns and I reacted to it.
I certainly don't think it's us vs them but I think we all do need to very carefully monitor what is happening to our own bodies because ultimately the battle will be maintaining after we are done with this very active process of losing. We all need to select the type of support that will help us in this.
Anyway a long speil but I was in no way was implying you and I had disagreed. I was using you as an example of someone who had great success but had one cheat. If we take 100% at face value that would mean you would have been shown the door which doesn't make much sense to me.
Because I know I would still focus on my possibly unreasonable reaction to the term I don't go to that thread because arguing over words doesn't help at all.
Actually we could really argue about the RoughRiders vs the Eskies but I won't go there
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