Good morning all, Friday here. Site down all last night, get:( Day 10 op on ip. I still have a headache, just took another bc. I wonder if the sweetener in the ip packs causing the headaches? Either way I will suffer through because thinner people do not get as many migraines as overweight people. Reason #47 to lose weight. I am finally feeling like this is an attainable goal. While the site was down last night I read on some other sites about this diet. Caloriecount.com calls it a starvation diet and asks their site users to not post anything about this diet as they do not advocate "fad" or starvation diets. Wow.

Wow...starvation diet, I have a hard time getting all the food veggies/meat down...and have not really been hungry (last night at midnight was really the first time) only the URGE to eat.....

Well unlimited lettuce is an option, not a requirement and what consitutes "unlimited" will vary from person to person. So, while I do not suggest I stop eating the recommended 4 cups of veggies I am not sure about the tons of lettuce. Also, I am having the opposite problem of constipation. SOmeone else on here mentioned it a few days ago, and I couldn't relate because I had sluggish bowels. Now, however, I have the opposite and this is day 3. I am beginning to be concerned abouth whether my body is absorbing the nutrients? I was actually down 3 pounds today since yesterday. I would love to be excited about that but fear its dehydrating / malabsorption. I drink tons of water but not sure what else I should be doing . . .

As to a starvation diet, that refers not to how hungry you feel but that this diet has people consume far less than the recommended minimum daily calorie requirements (for women this is net 1200 or so on average). This was my biggest reservation about this diet - I am not a proponent of that either. I came to terms with it by deciding to accept as true statements that we are actually getting more calories than we are eating because we are using our own fat for fuel as well, so our body is actually obtaining those additional calories and we are not plunging ourselves into an unhealthy deficit. At least that is what I am banking on . . .

My diet coach recommends Super Dieter's tea for the big "C" problem. Last time around I had trouble with constipation, this time i am drinking tons of water, way over requirement and I am making sure to eat my lettuce and I have gone every day this week (sorry if it's TMI for you). Yesterday I realized I hadn't had my lettuce at either meal and it definitely affected me.

Good morning everyone.
I actually used to be on caloriecount about 2 years ago when I was doing adkins. I am sorry Adkins is way moe of a starvation diet to me, I felt much worse dieting on that and I wasn't doing 30 minutes of cycle training a day as well.

Have to say, we discovered something yummy last night, it was my wife's idea but it was good. We had taco salad for dinner last night, and she suggested using a few southwest cheese curls on the salad for that little extra kick and some cheesy flavor, it really made a difference.

It was probably the best meal I have had for dinner since starting this diet, so good that we will probably have it again tonight. Plus it's a cheap dinner, what 6,7$ for both of us to eat, much cheaper than steaks or some of the other alternatives we have had.
I forgot my shaker this morning...ahhh. At least I still have a whey shaker in my office, but it doesn't work as well.

Keep positive everyone and thanks for the comments about my son, he is a little cutie, 4 months old and growing like a weed.
:hug:

Starvation diet was my biggest reservation too - because I don't want to set my body up for worst metabolic problems. All I can do to counteract is not workout too much when you're giving your body such little calories, and for me, easing back in to at least the minimum amount of calories (1200) with clean foods and complex carbs in the morning.

I'm so fearful that I'm going to do this for 19 days and see, what in my mind, will be not enough progress to justify the expense and the "cons" of the diet. I like that this diet is, although low in cal, emphasizing protien and good veggies and low sugar. Those are parts of it I plan to keep with me. As well as shrinking my stomach and helping with my cravings.

But I am nervous that after 19 days - my weight loss will not be so much greater than if I had done a 1200 calorie diet with oatmeal in the morning and other clean items.

I think I'm just grumpy because this is day 5 for me - I unintentionally ingested irish cream syrup in a coffee a friend of the family made for me - despite my instructions - and I saw zero weight loss this morning. I know expecting every day is extreme - but the first week is supposed to be a bigger week and if my first week isn't even very big - I'm not sure what to expect on this diet. :(

Hey, Wayward, glad I'm not the only new parent on this diet! My daughter is 5 months today. It's good times. I hope yours is sleeping better than mine. :) Sounds like your wife is on board, and that's fantastic. I married the fastest metabolism in the universe I think - it's frustrating sometimes!

I know that "starvation" is bad, but I have to believe with all the EVOO, packets, veggies, etc, that we are a-ok. I just had my second WI this morning - down 14.8 in two weeks! Starvation or not, that number makes me feel great. :D

Wow MrsD that's great for 2 weeks.
Actually yeah he is sleeping pretty well, he will be 5 months on the 5th.
He sleeps from about 9 until about 5 in the morning, of course that is after a normal day at daycare, coming home and going on a walk with mom... gives me time to ride the trainer. Then home for a bath and a little playtime and then out light a light.
He ate a ton yesterday though, he was in a mood.
He was a preemie but you would never know it, he gained weight really fast when we finally got to bring him home.
He just slowed down this past month, he was at 15.1lbs last Friday.

Yay we are having taco salad again tonight, stuff was awesome last night!!
And I still have plenty of left over southwest cheese curls from last night. I used like 10-15 of them which means it will make like 10 servings, there are so many of them in each packet, and then I just had half another restricted for snack even though I didn't eat half of the cheese curls, but I didn't want to overdue it.

Happy Friday every one, today is day 2 for me and I'm starving.
sandyh50, whats the lettuce stir fry you mentioned?
I'm just drinking water to try and curb my hunger a bit.
thanks!

I am in week 5 now and a couple of weeks ago I did feel like I didn't need to eat everything. Sure enough, at week 3 I lost 0 pounds. So now I am back to making sure I eat ALL my veggies and have a big bowl of lettuce at lunch and supper (the lettuce helps with constipation I think). So I lost 5.5 at week 4. Anyway, you are suppose to eat everything, so don't cut back![/QUOTE]


Ok, I JUST realized why I have been missing you....you CHANGED YOUR PICTURE!!!!...you look awesome!

I just made my lunch and made an ip omelet (from the packet) and put in mashed cauliflower in it for my veggies.

I am not a huge egg fan so I used a good amount of mustard (no sugar!) in it...but now I'm worried that I should not have had mustard. My IP sheet says only hot mustard and I used Goulden's.

Anyone know if that was a no-no???

Had my weigh in today guys!!! 144.8! I am now officially 14 lbs down exactly, in 3 weeks!! I love this diet!

Depending on the flavor, but i think you are ok, this is what I found:
Nutrition Facts
Serving Size: 1 tsp (5g)
Amount per Serving
Calories 5
Calories from Fat 0.0
% Daily Value *

Total Fat 0g
0%
Saturated Fat 0g
0%
Cholesterol 0mg
0%
Sodium 50mg
2%
Total Carbohydrate 0g
0%
Dietary Fiber 0g
0%
Sugars 0g

Protein 0g
0%

Est. Percent of Calories from:

Fat
0%
Carbs
0%
Protein
0%

Coliep, it was me with the opposite of the constipation, it has tapered off some..thank goodness, had an accident a few days ago and was thinking, this NOT going to be good when I go back to work (teaching high school). had my 1st WI today and asked and she said some people have that the first 2 weeks, then start having the constipation. Not sure if this helps, other than it is not just you ;)

Sweet congrats!!!!

Josey, how did your first weigh in go?

First weigh in this morning.....(already texted my buddy wuv2, she gave me a pep talk) my coach was (or at least acted really surprised/happy)....Lost 4.5 lbs and 3" (Chest-1", Waist-1", Hips-1", Arm- 1/4",and Thigh 1/4"). She said since I have alot of muscle, I will see more inch than lb loss (I used to run 4 miles a day 6-7 days a week!!) So it was a successful WI :)

Thanks for asking, ahhh, someone remembered (other than my buddy whom I bug non stop!!). I LOVE this forum and these threads, it has really helped me stay committed, and I NEVER would have believed it. I told my coach this morning and she wrote it down and said she is going to suggest blogging and this site to others. I REALLY need you guys, and read EVERY post on this and the daily thread. I dread going back to school a week from Monday, I won't be able to read/check in until late afternoon :( YOu guys give me motivation and strength!!!

So just as I am in the 3rd day since my last slip up, 99% sure I am in ketosis again I made the kids lunch. PBJ per their request. I ate PB. Again. I was starving when we got in the door and instead of grabbing a bar (i got them yesterday) to help me get through the lunch-making process, I was licking the knife as I made the food and it gave way to a spoon. Anyway, it wasn't pretty. I threw out the jar. Clearly this is my albatross. Begone with it. The kids can be PB free for a few more weeks until I am done with IP.

Congrats Scofflaw, you and I weight about the same!

I agree. Toss it. When I am thru with IP (months from now) I will be using this peanut butter. http://bellplantation.com/

Congrats Scofflaw - I hope I can follow in your foot steps. I don't know why I'm so nervous that this just won't work for me. :(

Cherbe, why do you think you are so worried, are you happy/okay with the diet so far....It is a boot camp style diet, meaning, you have to be willing to give up a lot. I just keep thinking of why I committed and not to give up, ANY diet is hard. Last I checked there is not one I can eat flammin' hot cheetos, baby ruths, bologna sandwhiches and pizza on.....if anyone hears of one that works like that though...let me know. HHAHAHAHAHAHA, that one is a joke.....

ha - no, I don't think those diets exist. :) I am actually having little to no problems with the diet. Headaches a little. Not too much hunger at all. Zero problems saying no to things. I have been 100% OP for 4 1/2 days and know that I'll remain 100% OP until my first 19 days are up and I'm going on a trip. I'm nervous because it hasn't been hard, because I have yo-yo dieted more than I would like to admit and what if my body just doesn't want to give up weight, I'm nervous because I really want this and only my actions are in my control - not my weight loss. I don't like not knowing. :) I don't like not losing weight every day. :) I'm apparently VERY high maintenance this week - ha!

Had my first lettuce stir fry with bell peppers, garlic, and tamari. Delicious!

Hello Everyone! I just joined Weight Watchers PointsPlus progarm last Monday 7/18/11.... I'm not really understanding the fruits and veggies that are zero points...

What is your weigh in day? My coach told me NOT to weigh in at home b/c it puts you on that emotional roller coaster, so I have committed to that, sounds like that may be better for you to, b/c you aren't struggling w/the diet. If you have yo-yo, like me, then you should feel good about the results and congrats to staying OP!!! OK, so you are high maintainance today, tomorrow may be me....that is why I LOVE these threads!!

Thanks JoseyM - WI is Monday/Tuesday morning - I pick - because I only had a half day monday. I know I should get on the scale less - because it is stressing me out - but I can't help the numbers.

Thanks for letting me be high maintenance!

No problem, remember what goes around comes around ;) just kidding, yesterday was my day...

So very very looking forward to PB2 Myself! I am now just kicking myself. Again. Seriously, why in the WORLD do we do stupid things WHILE we KNOW they are stupid. With each little taste, I was like "you are going to regret it" but it didn't stop me . . .

Sorry, I don't think we have any WW people here and we only have one unlimited item on the IP diet and that is lettuce. From my old old school WW days, I believe the "free" veggies were those where the carbs were negated by the fiber so things like celery and lettuce. Don't quote me on that though. I think you may have better luck getting an accurate answer from a WW thread and I am guessing there are some pretty good ones on 3FC website!

Get a buddy, text them, IM them, get on line, so someone can telll you NOT to, plus gets your mind off it for a minute, sometimes we are **** bent to the cheat food, if we derail ourselves a minute it will do the trick. Just a suggestion.

Human nature. We want what we want when we want it. Even if we are NOT supposed to have it. It makes me feel 5 years old again.

My buddy seems to have disappeared.
Heather where have you gone to?

I am sure someone told you, but this is not a WW post, we are doing the Ideal Protein, however, I quit WW to do this and the zero points veggies are the foods/veggies primarily you can eat that do not go towards your daily pts target. YOur coach can give you a list OR if you do it online, you can find it there.

Wayward, are you having a moment, do you need a smack or word of encouragement? jk :)

Perhaps I should just literally bang my head into a wall, since that is, in essence, what I am doing as I repeat the same mistake lol! I threw it out AND know that I should just start snacking on my veggies and NOT let myself get too hungry. coincidence or not, my first PB cheat was the day after a workout just as this one was. I wonder if there is something physiological going on? That said, had I had my food ready and waiting I know I wouldn't have cheated. I need to remind myself, Hunger Is NOT An Emergency. So even when I cannot eat when I need to, I will survive even if it meant I would get shakier, grumpier and foggier!

I will not have a restricted item today to hopefully compensate!

RELAX, give your self a break, you got rid of it!!! I thought you were going to post that you dug it out of the garbage!!!!

July Newbie Thread :D
 

Glad to see this post. I just completed my first week and weigh-in which confirmed my 7lb loss - Hooray! However, there is an interesting development for me. Overnight I went from a high complex carbohydrate vegetarian diet to a no complex carbohydrate diet and my digestive system can't quite figure out what is going on :-( It is quite uncomfortable! On the advise of my counselor, I am eating only cooked or partially cooked vegies and laying off the salads. It does seem to be helping. I certainly hope that works itself out soon! Anyone else have that problem? Otherwise, all is well. I really like most of the food so far, so that is not a chore.

Dancer - Ironic that being a vegetarian you are having trouble with the vegetables, isn't it?! My digestive issues have run the gammet. I was fine at first, then things became "sluggish" so I felt sorta constipated, bloated, gassy and just had a constant mild stomach ache. I was told to try milk of magnesia. That worked and so I took a small dose daily to be proactive, and then I developed the opposite problem. Not sure if it was the (a) milk of magnesia (b) the fact that I cheated and had peanut butter and my body was rejecting the fat (c) the IP foods (d) a stomach virus [my kids had one]. I stopped the MOM and started on the IP enzymes while I also too fish oil / omega supplement because I thought the deficiency might have led to my cheating with peanut butter. The Fish Oil gave me horrendous abdominal discomfort and the loose stools and discomfort continued until this morning. I am continuing with the enzymes, stopping the fish oil & MOM, reducing my lettuce consumption. Unfortunately for me, I cheated again wtih PB today so I guess we will see in the next 24 hours if that causes another bout of stomach issues.

Today's yummy snack? Vanilla pudding mixed with a small cup of iced coffee and a sprinkling of cinammon. Yummmmy!

It is just a guessing game!