Oh and I also got stuck on those "House of Night" novels that are geared towards teens. I ripped through the five of them that are out in a week. lol! Very angsty, but AWESOME.
I read #1 of the Dead Until Dark series and half of #2. I haven't gone back to them yet.
Have you guys read the Black Dagger Brotherhood series by J.R.Ward? It's more towards the adult. Sexy and Saucy. Really good. Dark Lover is #1
I read the House of Night series and the only reason I am annoyed with the series is that there is just too much repetition. The authors repeat SO much in every book that it takes away from the story line.
I know no more about "good music" than I do about performing bariatric surgery. In the words of Dave Matthews (who some people just can't stand but I happen to adore), "good music is good music and the rest can go to h*ll".
I feel like you have absolutely no regard for subjectivity when that's all that pop culture is about...
Well said!
Little OT here...I saw your before and after pics...you look gorgeous in ALL the pictures.
I've read all the Sookie books!! Well except for the most recent and only because I'm obsessed with the J R Ward Black Dagger Brotherhood series!! I'm on my second read! I really enjoyed Sookie. Have you seen TrueBlood the HBO series based on the books? Good raunchy times!
"i just don't want to hand kids something that makes them feel bad about having sex (if they are having it), since it's a natural, normal thing to want to do when you are a teen."
YIKES! Maybe I'm the only old fuddyduddy on the Board ... I WOULD want the young teens in my family to feel bad about having sex at a young age. I know too many who's lives have been altered for the worst because nobody gave them the impression that sex in their teens was a BAD idea.
well young... yes 13 or 14 yes.
but let me tell you what those parents that teach abstinence are called:
kudos, ladybugnessa! if teens are going to have sex, they might as well know how to do it safely.
i haven't seen any of True Blood yet because a) i don't have HBO (or Showtime?), and b) i wanted to read some of the books first. i really like Sookie's character. she's quirky and fun!
kudos, ladybugnessa! if teens are going to have sex, they might as well know how to do it safely.
i haven't seen any of True Blood yet because a) i don't have HBO (or Showtime?), and b) i wanted to read some of the books first. i really like Sookie's character. she's quirky and fun!
I took my teen girl to the GYN six months ago and got her on the pill, then i showed her where we keep condoms....
yesterday at just over 17 she took herself to her GYN check up. I'm proud of her.
all I am saying is, is that trashy, romance, whatever books are FINE if they're written well.
My only point was that Twilight and the series are very poorly written. They're not good books. Fantasy books, whatever books, are fine, as long as they're well-written. I never said that i expected it to be literature, only well-written. Which they're not.
I have other issues regarding the series (related to feminism and the whole "life is perfect" ending) but I think I've reiterated them enough.
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Well, then I'm ignorant and poorly read. I've got a BA in journalism and minored in English, and have been a successful newspaper editor for 10 years (I'm only 28).
So is my sister, who's got a master's degree in English and is a teacher. Darn all of us ignorant people.
If you think it's well-written, then yes.
You can admit that it's poorly written and enjoy and I don't think you're ignorant.
I've read the series and I like it. I hate Edward though. And I hate Bella when she's with him. To me, Twilight is just a fluff read. No real depth, more like a fairytale. There's nothing wrong with enjoying books like that. Stephanie Meyers is no Anne Rice or Diana Palmer, for sure.
I didn't say that there's anything wrong with enjoying them. I said that there's something wrong with saying that they're a GOOD series and saying that they're well-written. ****, *I* enjoyed them. As long as you can admit they're poorly written, whatever. I can enjoy a poorly written book (dan brown anyone?)
But I agree with you. I hate Edward too. he's a stock character with zero depth, and Bella is the ultimate Mary Sue. I don't like that that kind of relationship is held up as ideal.
All books are valuable. Some might be better than others but whatever books get people READING are valuable.
For the record... those words are from my husband who is actually a librarian. A teen librarian. YOU may think that they are crap but they have their worth. If you are going to become a librarian you need to get OVER your bias about certain books/authors.
I don't think a book is valuable if it teaches teen girls about how abusive relationships are romantic and ideal.
First, there's really no need to cuss in this thread. I don't know about you but we're all adults here and completely capable of discussing different POVs without resulting to crudeness. I could resort to your level, but then again I don't know what that would be, I don't *have* to read any series *twice* to come to the conclusion why I liked (or in your case disliked) the series.
And yet you personally try to insult me. You can be crude without swearing (which BTW, is bleeped out), as you have proved by insulting me directly.
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Having said that, nobody objected to *why* you read the series to begin with. Of course, curiousity gets the better of us. I read Twilight cuz I was curious as well. The reason is neither important nor relevant here. It is a personal preference and last I checked, this is a free country, so everyone is free to read or not read the series they want and form their opinion. The whole issue is you calling *everyone* who read and liked the Twilight series a nincompoop (to put it simply).
No, I said anyone who said it was GOOD is poorly read and ignorant.
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You could be the queen of the damned or Timbuktu for all I care, but to call everyone who read the series 'ignorant and poorly read' is just pathetic and childish. I am sorry, but your degree in English does not impress me or the fact that you say you're well read . Obviously, being both has not helped you one iota in coming up with a reasonable, rational explanation other than name calling and being judgemental towards everyone who read the books (which is funny coming from you as you read it twice ). And, it seems, the said teenager hasn't grown up despite a college degree.
yeah, I'm a 24-year-old teenager. I didn't resort to name-calling, you did. Speak for yourself regarding maturity.
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We're humans and of course, we will have different opinions about various issues. Otherwise, we'll be a bunch of robots. To be honest, one does not *need* to read a series multiple times to come to a conclusion as to *why* they liked or disliked the series. I've read many books and series and have formed my own opinion (fairly quickly) as to why I liked or disliked them. It is not rocket science! I love to hear different opinions as that's how so many conversations happen and you get to know one another. And just because another person's opinion differs from mine on a book does not make that person an idiot.
Good for you. I could care less.
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As for teenage girls being stupid, well, we all were teenagers at some point. Just because some teen was stupid in relationships does not make every teen a twit. Similarly, many teens have refused to read the series for whatever reasons. I respect that. I am not denying that teenagers are not rash in their judgement, of course they are. But it's like what another member said, it is a developmental stage and hormones play a very big part not to mention peer pressure. Some grow out of it and some don't. I'd rather they read books (fluff or books with substance) than not read at all.
yeah, I know, and I was stupid when I was a teenager. What is so offensive about that? Most people at 16 haven't experienced life. What offends you about that?
Ok, so just because hormones are there doesn't make teen girls any less stupid when it comes to boys.
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Just to clear your insane view of thinking...having a degree in a specialized field - music, arts, english, computers etc. - does not make you an expert on the subject but to put it simply just well aware. Even then, it is not a guarantee. I know people with degrees in specialized fields who clearly have no clue about their respective subjects. I have a degree in Information Systems, I am certainly not better than anyone who doesn't have an IS degree. I may be more aware than others in my field but that's cuz I was provided with better tools than an average person. I know many people without a formal degree who are exceptionally bright in this field.
And it doesn't appear to be anyone on this board.
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So, please, get down from your high horse and accept the fact that you really are *NOT* an expert or that talented. As you can see, other members (& many others) with English and other degrees have read the series too and have either liked it or disliked it for their own personal reasons. But none came out and said that not only are they better than others but they *know* more about books just cuz they have a degree. A degree in English has absolutely *nothing* to do with you being well read.
And you have the nerve to lecture me. You don't know me. So how dare you say that I am not talented. That's just a low blow to make yourself feel better.
I never said I am better than anyone, only that I know good books from bad ones, what constitutes as good writing and what doesn't.
But if you want to continue to personally insult me, go ahead. Shows how mature you are.
And yes, I DO know more about books because of my degree, just like doctors know more about medicine because of their degree.
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As I mentioned in my previous post, Stephanie Meyers never claimed her work to be a literary masterpiece. It is fiction. She simply is there to make money as every writer out there.
I never said she did, only said that she's a ****ty writer. Saying that it's fiction doesn't give you an excuse to be a ****ty writer.
And if she's out there to just make money, then she's even more of a ****ty writer than I imagined. The worst writers and the ones who are in it just to make money.
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I really feel sorry for the future of our publishing firms. [/COLOR]
Once again with the insults, and you have the nerve to call *me* immature? Pot, meet kettle.
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I know too many who's lives have been altered for the worst because nobody gave them the impression that sex in their teens was a BAD idea.
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). And, it seems, the said teenager hasn't grown up despite a college degree. 