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"Why do you need glucose? Oh...well it's the sugar your brain prefers to function with. Otherwise you undergo ketosis...and trust me that is bad because in order for this to happen your body starts to feed off of its muscle. "
Actually, that isn't entirely true. If your body doesn't have glucose readily available for the cell function ATP (the generation of energy within the cell..what makes your engine go) from carbohydrates, it will use the next available source. Fat is easier to use than protein. If you've got plenty of that hanging around, your body will use that. You only burn your own muscle when you cut your calories so low that your body has no other choice. Ketosis *isn't* bad if you are drinking enough water to flush your kidneys.
Do *your* math, or better yet, your biology.
Taking in less than you are expending can mean taking in less carbohydrates. As we seem to agree, glucose is needed (or is what's prefered, actually) for cell function and the process of ATP. If you aren't burning as much energy as you are making, it turns into fat. Cells will use carbohydrates first, fat next, so it DOES make sense to eat fewer carbs.
Guess what? I'm not on low carb. I just happen to have actually read the books and tried to understand it a little. I've also studied more than I'd like to on animal cell function and structure. I don't do low carb because I don't like to eat that way and know that I won't be able to stick with it. That DOES NOT mean it doesn't work for others. Why judge someone else's diet? Why not do your own thing, be happy with it, and try to be happy for the success of others?
No, not all dieticians and doctors will tell you low carb is bad. More and more of them are seeing that for some, this way of eating is a great improvement to their health. I *personally* know several people who have done this and seen amazing improvements, verified by bloodwork and relief of physical symptoms.
Bottom line is, as hard as it is for people to lose weight, why are you bashing ANYONE's success?
I've been following this thread since it was started and I have to say the replies are very well written! I'm impressed because everyone has been so nice.
To say a certain diet is evil is going a bit far, considering all the information on the boards about Low-Carbing.
Personally, I lean toward WW but I'm interested in limiting my carbs and am doiing some research on that.
Deana it is so refreshing to read from someone who actually knows what they are talking about! My doctor suggested low carb eating to me and following his instructions I tried it. I began to read everything I could get my hands on about it (You name it I have read it! ). I have lost over 70 pounds and I feel GREAT! I wish my doctor had told me about it when I had just 10 pounds to lose and not 70! BP perfect...bloodwork perfect...weight PERFECT!
that Girl I am so impressed that you have done so great. congrats! what a wonderful thing to reoprt. I know you have posted with us before and I have not seen you in a while. I am so glad that things are going welll with you.
Tippy there is a thread uncer the lowcarb support titled low carb and WW. You may want to check it out. Linda is the guru there and has been doing it for a while. you may want to check with here and see how she is doing. I strictly follow low carb but will be adding more carbs as my weight training is getting more intence and have to increase my intake of cals. I chose not to use fats for that but healthy carbs. I can connect you to the low carb website for Protien Power if you like. www.eatprotein.com there are many very knowledgable people there. there is many web sites out there. I hope that you find the information. any questions come on down and post a thread and we can answer most anything.
Rhowyn have you checked out the body for life web site? that will get you in shape faster that you can believe! they also have a diet to go with it and does include carbs in moderation, but is not the basis of the diet. (this is mostly done by a weight trainer) not a low carber or doc. www.bodyforlife.com there is a thread on the diet thread, you may want to check it out.
I found this thread by accident...but I think the "Diet Plan Gods" led me here!
I for one am on the ATKINS PLAN. When I first started the plan I started a support thread on the low cab site. Mel, (the girl who started THIS thread posted there about the plan being bad. I commented on her concerns to her in a post and asked her which plan SHE was having success on....and she never replied.
My Dr. Atkins support thread got so big...and so many low carb people joined in... that we had it's name changed to low carb support #2 and it continues to grow with each new post by low carbers..(including Atkins people.)
I find it amazing that ANYONE would start a thread........especially one with such SLAMMING toward a plan.......have folks post on that thread with their opinions...and then the thread starter does not RESPOND. Hmmmmmmmmmm.
I personally asked my doctor about the plan and he gave it the thumbs up. He even told me about a doctor friend of his who took off 104 pounds in a year on the Atkins Plan when other plans had failed him over the years.
Dr. Atkins just wants our "mula", huh? Well, let's see. I have spent about $6.00 on Atkins products in 5 weeks. (I bought 3 low carb bars to take on vacation.) Sheesh..the guy is gonna get RICH off ME!
I "borrowed" the book off of a friend who took off 30 pounds in 6 months 3 years ago and maintains the loss by living a low carb lifestyle. (So he made no money off the book from me.)
I take advice from my cousin who lost 40 pounds in 8 months on the plan when the book first came out in the 70's.
I have taken off 17 pounds in 5 weeks and feel great! I am high energy, have had no headaches (the doctor said getting away from caffein and the carbs did that), and never felt better in my life.
I am not hungry and I barely miss my favorite carbs...(bagels and pretzels)
My father started the plan 4 weeks ago and has taken off 20 pounds!
At age 43, and having spent 1/2 my life battling the buldge, I am speaking from the heart here.
NO ONE wants to be FAT! If you find a plan out there, and your doctor gives it the okay, and you feel good on it, and you have success on it, I say GOOD FOR YOU!
Do you have to exercise? Of course...if you CAN! Exercise has done wonders for me! I walk 3 miles a day and feel great both physically and mentally!
Do you have to drink lots of water...OF COURSE!
Flush that system out! Water is great!
Do you have to get REAL with yourself and figure out WHY you are fat........(and I don't mean excuses.......mom is fat, my metabolism is bad, I just gotta have chocolate!) I MEAN WHY ARE YOU FAT??? What is your relationship with food and why?
Do you have to change your lifestyle? In most cases, YES. You gotta get healthy food and use it as fuel for your body not a "fix" for your broken heart, boredom, or hobby!
You gotta love yourself more than food!
You need to make time for exercise and things you enjoy instead of turning to food as a quick fix!
You gotta share and care about others in the same situation as yourself. (If we do not respect eachother....WHO WILL???)
You gotta get on these threads and look for and give POSITIVE support!
I have my own opinions about Atkins but don't want to start a riot, certainly not by saying "ATKINS IS EVIL" in big letters.
But this has really gone far enough.
We are all on our own eating/training plans (I myself LOVE Body for Life and am seeing great results - check our thread out on "Diet Plans" - there's a plug there...). An old maxim is not to ever discuss religion or politics - I guess we should insert 'never discuss a particular diet plan' in there as well.
Enough already, gals and guys! Let's end this here and let this thread gradually vanish off this board...
Glad to see the moderator respond to this thread. It is a shame that 11 days of EVIL went by before doing so.
I highly doubt that with all the looks at this thread it will "vanish off the boards." Many plans (especially Atkins) have been debated for years. Although I would not call it evil as the originator of this thread did.....it remains under debate by many.
Thread such as these allow people to get information, ask questions, and "put their cents worth in."
Thank You Deana!
). I have lost over 70 pounds and I feel GREAT! I wish my doctor had told me about it when I had just 10 pounds to lose and not 70! BP perfect...bloodwork perfect...weight PERFECT! 
I think not! I'm living proof. 
Isn't it time we gave this a rest???
