Trish we buy Starkist. I used to buy store brand but DH wouldn’t eat it. I also bought water packed but DH likes oil packed so I drain it good and also rinse it. I would like to try the one with olive oil but it’s expensive.

The thing with eating more the way the Calorie Myth book explains it, is it has to be high nutrition food. Low carb. I ate a lot more when I started eating dinner with DH and all I did was get fatter and fatter.

This morning I had 1 egg and 2 bacon. I haven’t been hungry since and I’ve not eaten anything else. I wish every day was like this. No diabetes meds yet. Dinner will probably include carbs so I will need meds.

Carol Sue, I got 3 cans of starkist and a can of GB chicken. I won't use it today because I already have spent 1335 calories and my total carbs are in the 80s. Can't remember if it was 82 or not. I had 11 g fiber but I'm not worrying about that right now. I'm thinking about eating half a salad for brunch and leave enough to end my 8 hr eating window with the other half. Of course, I still have more to read in both books to see if there is something else I need to do.

We got KFC and I think I'm going to start journaling how I feel after I eat certain foods because I noticed today that I am lethargic and sleepy after eating the chicken and slaw. I'm wondering if it has MSG in it. It isn't supposed to but I have heard that many restaurants still use it in their foods and just call it something else. It supposedly keeps us coming back to buy it again. Any way, instead of reading like I want to right now I am probably going to take a nap.

I love those days when I can get by with eating only one meal and wish I could do it more. I think you are learning to listen to what your body is telling you. I honestly believe it will tell us when we need to eat something and when we don't. I've done that before so I know it is possible so maybe I just need to learn to work at refreshing that habit.

I finally talked DH into getting Wendy’s so I could get a crispy chicken sandwich. I’ve wanted one for so long. I told him if I have one it will be out of my system for a while. When I started getting them they were $1. Last time I had one it was $1.29. Now they are $1.79. The price of everything is going up. They are a nice little sandwich.

I'm still reading Calorie Myths. Today he said that you don’t have to be perfect. He said you might want to do some of the things but not all. I’m glad he said that because I have never followed any diet plan 100%. I take bits and pieces to make positive changes to my diet. When he talked about drinking water he said to drink green tea and that will be part of your water. He said use 10 green tea bags per day, buy it doesn’t have to be 10 cups, You can use 8 tea bags in 8 oz of water so you are getting the benefit of all the tea bags. It can be regular or decaf, hot or cold. I think I can do that if I remember.

I’m more than halfway through the book. I’m going to mark my place and start on the sabotage book. I hope I get to finish both of them before the end of the month.

Carol Sue, that sounds good. I'm glad he says things like that in the Calorie Myth book as I also like to do the same thing you do. Both of these books seems to stress learning that we don't have to be perfect. I know perfectionist has always been a problem for me not only when dieting but in many parts of my life. I always felt I couldn't quite measure up and had people in my life that seem to make sure I knew I was right. Sabotage tells how this experience as a child and growing up sets us up to not succeed at dieting. I know I can't be perfect and it is nice to hear someone say "I don't have to be". Funny thing is the people in my life who tried to help me feel different never really helped because I thought they said the nice things "just because they loved me". These things are what created the critical voice in our head who tells us we can't do this because we are not even worthy to. So we have to learn how to stop that negative critical internal voice from saying those things and counter it with positive encouraging words that tell us that we can.

I'm in the middle of chapter 8 in the Sabotage book and I think this book is going to teach us how to do what I've always thought was possible although she doesnt call it that. It is learned to lose weight and keep it off eating intuitively. If I am right, I'm going love this book and learning to take my life back eating normal. Some how I have felt that this book and the Calorie Myth book will compliment each other. I really am beginning to feel hopeful about doing this.

Carol Sue the chapter I'm in right now is telling you how to deal with people who want us to eat with them. Even explains why they do what they do and how to help them to help you without hurting their feelings. I think you will enjoy it.

I hope I can get through these 2 books this month too as I would love to be in full swing with this by September.

Scale is down one pound today to 186 but I woke up with potty issues. Seems like that’s the only way I can lose.

I just mentioned to DH that my hip pain has been gone for 2 days. I’ve had it nightly for a few months. Gone. I wish I knew how. I’ve been taking the magnesium regularly now where before it was sporadic. That’s the only thing I’ve done differently. One time it went away when I let the hot water hit on it in the shower but it came back again at night.

I started reading the Sabotage book yesterday but I skimmed through the beginning that I didn’t feel applied to me. I will go back and read it more thoroughly. I got to one point where she said you know what you need to do, make up your mind to do it. This made me think of DH sabotaging me. He has gone back to offering me some of my favorite foods when I shouldn’t be eating. It’s usually a favorite of mine and I give in and take it. I don’t know how to get him to stop. I feel that it’s on me to be strong and say no. Every time I give in and eat the food I’m telling him it’s ok to do that. I’ve asked him to please stop doing that. She talked about when you give in and eat something you know you shouldn’t and you hate yourself for it. But if you fight the temptation you feel very good about yourself the next day.

It really seems like it’s intentional on his part because it’s food he knows I love. If I talk to him about it he says “You don’t have to eat it.” One time he said he felt sorry for me for not having something i like. Every time we talk about it he says he will never do it again. After a few days he’s back to it. Last night he made a really tasty sandwich right before bed. He ate half and offered me the other half. I gave in and ate it. That might be why I had potty issues this morning. My body is no used to food at bedtime. Yesterday morning he asked if I wanted breakfast and I said No. He cooked and ate some eggs and bacon then said “I made too much. Do you want it.” I should have said No but I ate it. I have to stop doing that if I want to love myself. What and when I eat should be my decision. I am not a child or an invalid. I know where the food is and I can get it when I want it.

I have had people say they ask their spouse to keep their food out of sight. It doesn’t bother me at all to have him eat in front of me. I have conquered that. But when he puts it right under my nose and says “Do you want this.” It sets something off. This has to be my next challenge.

I have noticed over the years that you try to follow a diet plan to the letter. That is admirable to have that much control but I’ve never done it. There was a woman on the Atkins forum who berated a woman for eating cauliflower. She told her that is not on induction. I really don’t think that serving of cauliflower hurt her at All. It was ok to give her the information but the other woman actually apologized! For eating cauliflower! This doesn’t mean you are wrong to do that but sometimes you need to keep things that are important to you, like fruit or dairy. I don’t believe that anyone ever got fat from fruit or dairy unless maybe in huge quantities and I don’t think it’s wrong to tweak a diet plan. As a disclaimer, I will say that maybe that attitude is why I don’t lose well. But in my heart I know that compulsive overeating is my problem. Always has been. I am learning that food is nutrition for my body and my body gives mr hunger to know when I need fuel. Any other eating is entertainment.

When we were at step sons DIL brought out brownies and ice cream and she and her mother had a brownie topped with ice cream. It looked really good but I surprised myself by declining. There was no pressure to anyone else to have some which is how it should be.

I have come a long way toward controlling my eating disorder but I still have to work on DH.

By the way, I felt very hungry when I got up. I think it was because of the potty issues. But 2 cups of coffee later I am fine. My body fed me a liver dump that will hold me til brunch.

Carol Sue, I think I was a compulsive eater when I was in overeaters annonymous years ago. My then SIL didn't think I was. In fact, I remember a day when she blurted out "You are not a compulsive overeater". But see I knew I could control my eating in front of others but my compulsive eating was in secret binges. That was where CAD really helped me. I did their workbook (never finished it) long enough to learn why I over ate.

# 1 My family, even my parents, would eat very conservatively most of the time, but a family gathering to eat meant that the feast was on and I have no idea how many times I ended up sick after a family gathering. That along with the emotional rollercoaster I was own with my Daddy, I spent most of my life with stomach problems of indegestion just as he had. I cadn still remember the last time I suffered with my stomach so bad that I thought I was going to die. I was married to DH#2 and the kids were all grown. It was during the night and couldn't get relief no matter what I did. I couldn't lie down and sleep it off or walk it off and I prayed, "God, if You let me get over this, I promise that I will never eat like that ever again". I have worked hard to keep that promise to this day. Very seldom do I ever eat past full any more. But I can eat too often which is just as bad especially when it is the wrong kind of food.

#2 I had gone without food at times or eaten only OMAD because there wasn't enough money to buy food. Especially when married to my 1st husband. And when we had the money for food it was always junk like burgers and fried chicken which was our favorites. That was the first time I gained a lot of weigh t because nothing we ate was nutritiious. We lived on pasta and rice casserols which I now know can only be a rare thing for me if I want to lose weight. I never really felt good physically the whole time we were together. When he died, I moved back home and that is when the diet rollercoaster started. I was 22 years old, a fat widow who hid in those tent dresses that were so popular back then and my self-esteem was in the pits and the rest is history.

I think that plus being raised by perfectionists is why I seem to always try to follow a diet plan to the letter, but I think that sabotages me like the book says because "I know" I cannot be perfect for very long and then I fail. I never thought about the diet might fail me, I actually thought and still have the tendency to think that I actually "rebel". Then I get off and I feel like I just proved that what I was told growing up that I would never be able to finish anything. (This is something I've just learned about myself from reading the sabotage book.) I don't blame anyone else for making me feel that way because I have also come to believe that if the truth is known that is how they felt about themselves.

I ended up eating around 1445 calories yesterday and kept total carbs under 100 g. Today I will have to estimate my calories because I took one of the cans of tuna and made it into a salad and it is in the fridge. I probably won't even eat the whole thing in one sitting. I want to use to learn how to know when I am really hungry. I learned to do this when DH and I married. I bought a book buy Joyce Meyer on dieting. I don't remember the title, but she had talked to thin women and learned how they stayed thin. I found it interesting. One woman tasted food while cooking for her family. By the time they sat down to eat she was not hungry so she would sit and drink something while they ate and visit with them. Others only ate when they were hungry. The surprise was that many didn't have plans of when to eat. Now I know I have to cook OMAD with DH so that is the only planned meal that is a given, but what I do the rest of the day is up to me. I have to say that he will offer me his popcorn from time to time like he did last night, but he already knows that if I want it that I will get it myself. So when I told him, "No not right now. I'm fine", he was fine with it. In fact, he was already putting it away before I said no. But then we have always done that with each other.

I've decided to make up a bowl of salad and keep it in the fridge and if I get hungry, I will just go in and eat as many bites as it takes to satisfy the hunger. I know that usually after 2 or maybe 3 bites that it doesn't taste as good as it did when I took the first bite so that is my new trigger to stop.

Carol Sue, I think it is chapter 8 in the sabotage book that helps you learn how to deal with people who try to get you to eat. Maybe you will find something helpful there in how to deal with your DH.

Spaghetti is on the menu today. Oh weight was 182.8 today. I think I said it was 182.6 yesterday but that was wrong. It was 182.8 so no gain eating higher calories. But FBG was 100 and I think that may have been tfrom he KFC biscuit which I never eat but did yesterday. For some reason it tasted good.

Have a good day.

Trish there is a difference between a compulsive over eater and a binge eater. I didn’t binge. But I grazed all day between meals. I was always full. I didn’t know what hunger felt like for years. It wasn’t until the past few years when I started doing IF that I experienced real hunger. It’s a good feeling to me because it tells me I’m doing something right. I still got back to the grazing occasionally. But those times are fewer and fewer as time goes on. Binge eating is when you start eating and can’t stop until you are stuffed and ready to throw up. You don’t care what it is you are eating and sometimes you don’t even taste it. Afterwards you hate yourself for doing it and swear you will never do it again, but eventually you do.

The main problem I have from this is once I eat my first bite of food for the day my appetite goes into overdrive. I keep wanting to eat again even if not hungry. Waiting until noon to eat really helps with that. But DH doesn’t understand. Also, if I eat something I really wanted, a small amount can be very satisfying. But if what I eat wasn’t what I really wanted I tend to keep eating trying to get satisfied. I consider all of this to be an eating disorder. It never bothered me to eat in front of others. Maybe they talked about me behind my back but I thought they were just glad I was enjoying the food.

When I lived alone I had very little food. If I got a craving I knew I had to go out to get it so I would just forget about it. Fortunately for me I didn’t know about pizza delivery back then! Now there is so much food in the house we could go a long time without shopping except for milk, bread etc. I make sure I have 3-4 dozen eggs at all times. I could never run out of them.

Part of me can understand why DH does what he does. He lived through my overeating stage. I was ALWAYS ready to eat. I know he didn’t like my weight gain but he liked having me to eat with him all the time. I never turned down food. I guess he wanted an eating partner more than he wanted a thin wife. I have changed and I think for the better. He does not like change.

Im glad I have someone to listen and some way to release all this. Talking about it is therapeutic for me.

Carol Sue, I guess I was never technically a binge eater. I thought of binge eating meaning that I have to eat until all the cookies are gone or the whole bag of chips. However, I didn't always finish them off. So I don't know what kind of eater I was. Although I know I could see a food on tv and think it looks awfully good and want it, but that doesn't mean I have to go get it right now. It just means that I am going to buy it sometime in the near future. Example, I've been seeing DQ adds for breezes and I told DH that when I leave tehe doctor's office next Tuesday that we are going to the local store and get the few things we need and on the way home, I want to stop at the DQ that is on our way home from that store and I am getting my favorite breeze. It is going to be the small one, but I've wanted it forever and now I'm going to get it. He will want McDs which is next door to the store which he will get to eat but my breeze will be my meal that day. I don't think I've ever eaten until I could vomit probably because I will do everything I can to keep from doing it.

I cooked our spaghetti earlier and then let it get cold before recooking to add the sauce. I'm not sure how much I ate because we had leftover sauce and spaghetti. So I don't think I had a whole serving of pasta, but after cooling and reheating it looked like a whole lot more and I didn't eat all of mine because it filled me up really quick. Maybe that is why they say do it so it won't raise bs. So my calories for today is estimated going by normal servings.

I notice my hair is thinning on top so that means I need to get back to eating more protein. I had planned to eat some of the tuna salad tonight, but I think I need to get back to drinking the protein shake so my hair will grow back. I didn't eat my first bite of food today until after noon around 12:15. So I will have a short eating window today.

Trish if you were a binge eater you would eat the whole bag of chips AND the whole package of cookies, then move on to the whole cake you baked and finish off with the stale crackers left over from last week. It can be done with regular food too not just snacks. You can go to McDonalds drive thru for 2 Big Macs and eat them in the car on the way to KFC for chicken legs that you eat while waiting for your large pizza to take home. You feel stuffed but just keep eating. Then you feel sick and have regrets. You swear you will never do it again. I don’t know if I’m exaggerating or not because I’ve never been a binger. I’ve read a lot about it because I wanted to know if I was one. I just used to eat all day when not the least bit hungry. When I worked at the pharmacy I spent an unbelievable amount in the snack machine. I wore a lab coat with big pockets and they always contained a candy bar, or chips, or cookies, or peanuts. I ate all day. Also ate breakfast before, lunch at work and dinner after work, probably a snack at night, too. I am amazed to think about it. I never went long enough without food to get hungry. I dont understand why the weight isn’t just falling off me since I no longer do that. I broke the habit myself but I still eat when not hungry sometimes and more than I need for satisfaction, but it’s rarely junk food. Just too much, more than my body needs.

I was watching 600 lb Life. A woman traveled to see Dr Now, an all day drive. When she got there the doctor asked if she needed anything. She said she was hungry and didn’t eat all day. He told her she probably had eaten enough for 3 years. He tells it like it is.

So you were just a typical occasional over eater, eating when not hungry.

We went to the casino and I started the Sabotage book from the beginning. Mostly I read the part about being perfect. I never tried to be perfect so that didn’t apply to me. I always thought I wasn’t losing well because I didn’t try to do a plan as written. But I have lost 30 lbs. It has taken years, but I never gained it back. So to me, that is success. I would like to lose faster but I don’t want to do something Im not going to do for the rest of my life. .

Also, I don’t feel that my weight is due to not feeling good enough in younger days. I had some bad things happen but I don’t feel they contributed to my weight. I ate normally as a child and didn’t start overeating or gaining until I got a job and started eating out with friends, going out for big lunches at work. It was just the situation and the food was good. I controlled it when I lived alone but food has been too abundant after I got married and I was out of control for years. I’m paying the price now. I wish I hadn’t done it but there’s no looking back, only forward.

I am going to continue reading because I want to read the part about knowing what you have to do and doing it. I need to learn to say No to DH unless I’m hungry.

The part about other people offering food didn’t really apply because it’s just DH. I have no problem refusing food with other people. I will go as far as being rude if they are being rude with me. DH offers me food that he knows I love and can’t resist. He knows not to offer me donuts or any baked goods because they don’t interest me. He sometimes buys plain cake donuts and I sometimes eat a half. But mostly he buys ooey gooey too sweet junk. Not interested!!

Trish I think we are on the right track and will get there. You inspire me to keep up!

Im down .2 to 185.8.

Carol Sue, I guess I was never a binge eater. I agree there are and were certain foods that I loved and could go way overboard eating them when I had the chance. That is why once DH#2 died and I only ate once a day, there were certain food I would never eat. My favorite was fried chicken and no matter how badly I would have loved to had just one piece of fried chicken, I never accepted it when offered to me. I only ate rotessiere chicken that I kept in the fridge at home for a quick bite when I went by the house from one job to another if I needed something. Other than that I lived on salads, mainly chef salads at Cracker Barrel and my best friend and I went there to eat. I was so afraid that one bite of fried chicken would set me off and I would lose my grip on my weight loss. I was losing weight, reading diet books and even lost so much that my preacher/friend put me in charge of a class to help others lose weight. That seems funny to me now that I could be in charge of any diet class. But I have to say having the class kept me on track.

My Daddy and a lot of my school teachers were always my worst critics about everything. I learned years ago to forgive and let those things go for my own sake and prayed for each of them. I'm sure they had similar things happen to them. I know my Daddy's life store so don't really blame him. The problem there is that I wanted to please him and never thought I did for years. I thought every time he was mad that it was my fault until one day I had the nerve to ask him what I had done and learned whatever was going on was not me. As for my eating, he would let me know when I was gaining weight. Later BS who has almost killed herself trying to stay thin told me that Mama told her one day DS and I didn't have to let ourselves get this way. Mama was always dieting herself so it was disappointing to find she didn't understand. DS has overused laxatives and diet pills etc to keep her weight off. DS still takes diet shots her DH insurance will cover to lose weight but it doesn't help her. I think she probably weighs more now than she ever has. So so sad.

I figured out this morning reading you post that I now weigh 80 lbs less than I ever weighed at my highest weight when I was probably 32 years sold and went to my first WW meeting. That was on their scales because I don't know that I owned a scale back then. I only weighed at diet doctor's offices or WW or TOPS meetings. My next highest I can remember was 248 in SC and it has taken me a long time just to lose the 64.5 lbs I've lost to this point. I have 33 lbs to get down to my goal and then I may set a new goal to lose a few lbs after that. The goal is to reach the 150 lb goal before I think about going lower than that. So over all I've done very well. I just hate that it takes so long.

I just found out what causes me potty issues. Eggs and bacon. That is all I had for breakfast this morning besides my collagen coffee with stevia and a little bit of sf creamer. I can remember having eggs and bacon only at other times when I had the issue. Looks like eggs and bacon especially alone will become a rare meal. This also makes me question me ever going back to strict low carb again.

Weight this morning was up .8 lb which I'm sure was due to the spaghetti meal. For one thing, cooking DH and my pasta together didn't help me with portion control because I always measure and cook separately so I know what I get. I also didn't measure the sauce before I put it on the pasta. So I should have done better with portioning it out. I filled up really fast on the cooled off and reheated pasta and ended up throwing some of mine away. Stopping and throwing it out was probably the only good Intuitive thing I did with that meal.
FBG was 91 so evidently the precooked, cooled and reheated pasta works for bs. Good lessons to learn.

I agree Carol Sue. I do think we are on the right track for us and I do believe that with patience and consistency of doing what we know works for us and tweaking if and when needed, we will succeed. We've come a long way and really we don't have too far to go to get to our goals if we don't give up now. I think these books just might help us to have the right mindset so that we can keep it off and maintain when we get there.

I think the fact that we relate so well with each other for a lot of reasons that it helps us to inspire each other.

Speaking of inspire. I wonder how Mad is doing. I hope she is really enjoying her time at their cabin and look forward to hear from her when she gets back to an internet service.

Trish, from what I have read about resistant starch it has to be cooled and refrigerated overnight, not just cooled and reheated. Either way, it doesn’t work for me. Blood sugar still spikes. I used to think pasta was ok for me but then I found out that the spike is just delayed. My blood sugar goes high about 4 hours or more after pasta. When I would check at 2 hours like they tell you to it would be fine.

There was a restaurant where we used to go where they cooked their pasta ahead of time and portioned it out in plastic bags in the cooler. When someone ordered it they just heated up a portion. I could see the cooler from where we were sitting. I would imagine most restaurants have to do that. They couldn’t wait for each portion to cook. My point is that it would be like resistant starch.

I don’t know what causes my potty issues. I eat eggs and bacon most days. Sometimes I think it’s the magnesium but the one I take is said not to cause that. It’s magnesium glutamate. Sometimes I think it’s the metformin.

I feel bad for your sister because she lost so much weight when she started taking those shots. And that seems to be when she influenced you to get more serious with it this time. I don’t believe in taking pills, shots or other supplements because I don’t think it’s lasting weight loss.

No one was overweight in my family except my mother gained a lot after my father died. She managed the money better and bought more food and cooked much better. She cooked everything from scratch. That was when I started dieting. I would take 1 portion of whatever she cooked and had nothing else the rest of the night.

We went out to eat but I just had a bowl of vegetable soup. DH had half a sandwich and a salad.

I guess I don't binge but I do pig out which for me means more than I should or more often than I should. I am having a difficult time doing this but I think that I need to stop eating brunch and just eat between 3 ish and 7ish each day because I seem to be eating at night regardless of how hard I try not to and I do seem to be able to go without eating in the mornings. I just need to to make the decision to do it and do it. I will weigh tomorrow but I am sure I will have a gain.

Trish, I agree that you should do what works best for you. The same with low carb. Eat at the level of carbs that works for you. If you can eat a little higher carb and still lose weight and control blood sugar, then it’s fine for you. This is just my opinion, but I don’t think we need to do what someone else recommends. I also have trouble with not eating something in the evening but I need to keep working at it because it hinders my weight loss and I feel better when I don’t do it. But that’s me. You stay up later than I do. Normal eaters do not follow such rules, and we want to be normal eaters for the rest of our lives.

I did not get on the scale this morning because I feel fat, but I will. I need to stop doing that. I need to see what I weigh every day even if I don’t share it publicly. It needs to be recorded in the app. That’s the reason I have this scale.

https://thewashingtonpost.pressreader.com/article/281913071866005

If this link does not open try to copy it to your browser. It’s a really good article.

Trish, while I was at the casino I started reading the Sabotage book from the beginning after jumping around picking out certain chapters. I just read chapter 5 while I was sitting outside. WOW! I need that chapter embedded in my brain. I now believe that this book has at least one chapter that everyone of us can relate to. Here was my best take-away from this chapter. I know that I lose and feel best when I don’t eat after dinner. But when DH makes and offers me part of his delicious sandwiches I hate to pass it up. Now, if I’m not hungry, I can take it and wrap it up and eat it tomorrow during my eating window. Also, I found that I can highlight in a Kindle book. I just might buy this book to make sure I can refer back to it when my resolve starts to wane.

Carol Sue, I'm wondering if the scale is a hinderance to me because if I get by with eating something it makes me think I can eat it all the time and that may not be true. Just not sure. Weight was up to 184.6. Not as bad as I thought it would be but I shouldn't have let it happen. I was just so darn hungry last night or thought I was.

Anyway, I've decided that I need to shake things up a bit and make some changes because I'm just bouncing between 182 and 184 and it is time to get really serious do something to stop it. I won't have a weight loss when I see my doctor this time, but I definitely intend to have a really good weight loss when I go back to see my doctor in February.

I made Saturday my WI day years ago because we went out to eat almost every Saturday with DH SIL & her DH and I could eat off if I wanted to which I rarely did but the possibility was there because I was low carbing and they didn't always pick places I could eat low carb. Now when go out to eat it is usually on Fridays with my sisters and BILs because one BIL hasn't retired yet and works 40 hrs M-Th with Fridays off. So I decided this morning with the gain to make Friday my WI day. I would like to stop the daily WI but haven't been good at that so will just have to see how it goes. Might be a good idea to try weekly WI just to see if my weighing everyday is sabotaging my weight loss. Funny how little games could be going on there that needs to be stopped.

The other thing I would like to do is do is more fasting or at least clean long fasts so I can get into autophagy. So I am drinking coffee black this morning with liquid stevia because it definitely isn't supposed to have any fillers and I like the tase of the coffee with it instead of the powder that may have somehing besides stevia in it and doesn't taste as good without the creamer. The only calories I might get will be minimal in the pills I take but not sure they have any. I will move my collagen to later in the day during eating window since it does have some calories. Started fasting this morning and I am fasting until 3ish when we will have our first meal and then I plan a protein shake around 7 with the collagen in it. I've ordered collagen pills to take once the powdered is gone. I won't get 20 hr fast today because I snacked late last night and not sure what time it was, but I think Iitmight be between 15 or 16 hr fast. My goal is to start doing 20 hr fasts everyday beginning today. The sabotage book has inspired me to realize that I have done this in the past and I can do it again. My eating plan is my version of the original CAD diet, because I need to do it to fit my lifesty. I will eat 2 meals a day, but my CM meal will be a Protein shake and my regular meal at 3 will be a carby meal they call a RM (reward meal). I left the CAD support group when they started fussing at those of us who used the protein shakes for one or two of our CM low carb meals. The CAD like plan will make it easy for me to do 2MAD and have the shake in the evening when I usually get hungr doing away with snacks and eat my carbs only once a day at 3ish. I also have a goal to work toward doing one or two OMAD each week. Not 100% sure that will ever happen but I would love to work into some of those. That's another one of those "I've done it in the past, I can do it again" type of things.

Thanks for the article Carol Sue. I checked and it does come up so I will go read it now.

Have a great day everybody.