Hi Friends: Carol, I wonder what is making you so hungry? I have had this problem sometimes with fasting; on my eating days I over eat, as if me and my body are making up for the fast.
I work hard to stay in my eating window of 8 hours now, and make sure I have plenty of good food, planned food. The first meal after a long fast takes time, I might have 3-4 little snack to make up the meal and it takes over an hour to eat because I eat one thing and wait a few minutes to see if I am still hungry and need more. Then I have something else.

I did not weigh today, as planned because I am eating again. Yesterday I had cheese and keto scones for breakfast which was fine. Then we went to see DD and tried this takeout place in her town that I heard about through the celiac network. They have gluten free dedicated fryers. So we ordered fish and chips and two kinds of chicken wings and some poutine. (A uniquely Canadian dish of fries covered with cheese curds and gravy, which is the classic version. You can also get other "toppings" to add in some places) It was all pretty good, and stuff I rarely get. The fish and wings were just slightly dry, but ok and it was a nice treat. For dessert I had an apple, needed to "cleanse" my palate of the grease.

Today I will plan yoghurt and fruit for brunch and am making pot roast for the other DD coming for supper tonight. and then fasting tomorrow. SO next planned weigh-in will be Tuesday am.
Have a good day everyone

Mad, my overeating has nothing to do with hunger. I am rarely hungry. How can I feel hunger when I'm constantly eating? Hunger is something I really have to work at. I was doing it for a while then something snapped and I'm back to overeating. I don't know what causes it. Some say its emotional but I don't feel emotional. If I only ate when I was hungry I'd be thin. I have an eating disorder.

Today my weight is down .8. 189.2. I think its because the pork chop didn't taste good. That is actually an improvement. In the past I ate things even though they didn't taste good. It was my meal so I ate it. Conquoring compulsive overeating involves many processes. I know I'm improving but at times when I relapse I get very discouraged. When I'm doing well, I feel very optimistic that the bad habits have been broken, until I crack.

I want to be a normal eater. I want to not even think about food until I'm hungry. I want to leave food on my plate because I'm full. I want to throw the rest in the garbage and not give it a second thought. I don't think I was ever there, even when I was thin. I was just more in control then. I lived alone and didn't keep much food in the house. I didn't have enough money to buy a lot either. When I met DH food was very plentiful. He likes to eat often. The difference is he eats very little and throws the rest away. He never thinks about how much money he is wasting because he never had to. Two hours later he's hungry again and wants new food, not leftovers. Eating leftovers means you are too poor to buy new food. While he was eating a few bites and leaving the rest, I was cleaning my plate every time, and gaining.

DH thinks if you don't eat 3 meals a day plus snacks you will get sick and die. The exception is when he's in the hospital. He ate 3 times a day but only a couple bites. He lost 28 lbs this past time. I lost 15 because I was eating when I wanted, not when he wanted, plus I was upset and stressed. So I guess emotion causes me to NOT eat.

Unfortunately I didnt think about all this when I was gaining. I just kept buying bigger clothes. When I think about WHY I can't seem to lose, or stick to a plan then I realize all these things. I HAVE lost very slowly and never regained. 27 lbs, but it took 13 years. Averages out to 2 lbs a year. So I CAN lose. Its just very very slow. My bad habits just continue to hold me back.

Sorry to go on and on, but sometimes it helps me to write it all out.

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By the way. Last night DH was watching something on TV later than normal for him. I usually go on into bed, but I was reading something online so I stayed up, too. I didn't go to bed until midnight and Fitbit says I didnt fall asleep until 1:30! Yikes! That's really late for me. But I slept deeper. Maybe this is something I should try to do more often.

Fatmad You don't weigh after you eating days when you know you will weigh more do you? I think I need to do that too. Saturdays are my WI day and also my OFF day to eat whatever as much as I want. As expected my weight was up today to 185. I think I need to take a page out of your example. Glad you found another good place that is GF. Enjoy being with your DD.

Carol Sue Sorry you are having the struggle and pray you can get things working for you again. I looked back to what I weighed January 1st and I weighed 190. I say I lose slowly but not sure I have been working at this as well as I thought I was. If I could stand the potty issues, I probably would do better doing lower carb but I guess I just don't want it that bad.

As I said my weight was 185 this morning... up 1.2 which isn't too bad for me. I just need to get started being more serious with this. I did have a low carb breakfast this morning. One of the posters on the WWSF thread on FB had a picture of eating eggs and thin sliced ham sandwich meat. I decided I could do that with a low carb breakfast. So I fried my eggs, and added the ham, asparagus pieces, 1/2 baby avocado and a pinch of mozzeralla making a semi-omelet but with the fried egg instead of scrambled. It was pretty good for a change. We are having chicken tenders cooked in chicken soup and I will work at getting back to my 6 hr eating window. I know 4 hr would be better but will see if I can work myself back to that.

Have a great day everybody.

Trish, I weighed 192.8 on Jan 1 so I lost 2.6 lb so far this year. I WAS down to 185 but I didn't hold that loss.

I think it so wrong that we don't weigh when we think we are going to have a gain. How much difference could those couple pounds make? It would make no difference in how our clothes fit. No one would look at us and know that we gained. Its a shame how much we are slaves to the scale. I know for me the number I see on that scale each morning makes or breaks my day. There are some people, probably many, who never weigh and don't even own a scale. But I couldn't ever be that way. I have to know what I weigh.

Trish, I don't have a specific weigh in day, but I know that after I leave the doctor's office after my appointment my next meal is a big one. Also the next meal after I have my lab work done. I am really nervous about my A1c. Not much I can do about it now. I will not agree to changing my meds if its too bad. I can improve it before next time. Or at least I want one more chance.

I'm reading a book about diabetes. I will try to stay up late again tonight.

Carol Sue I do the same thing when I way. There is no way I could go without having a scale. I may not want to weigh because I know I've gained but I still have to know. I feel like at this point that I am doing working to never weight 200 or more ever again.

My day has been pretty good. I experienced gerd from the low carb breakfast whick kind surprised me. Calories were 1245 I think if I remember right. Main thing is to keep them under 1300 as much as possible.

Hope we get good sleep tonight.

My weight is down to 188.8, which surprised me. I ate oatmeal and a slice of toast last night. I wasn't really hungry but wanted the oatmeal. My last loaf of bread went moldy and had to be thrown out. I don't put it in the freezer anymore.

I have 3 scales. I had the balance beam scale for years. Then I bought a scale at Goodwill that shows body fat etc. I didn't use it very much. Then I got my current scale that records body fat, water, lean body mass, etc. The thing I like about it is its electronic and records on an app on my phone. It also shows on my Fitbit and MFP. I love this scale! I just wish there was a bigger difference from day to day, week to week.

DH wants to go out for breakfast. Yuk! I have to go to Wal-Mart and stop at the library to pick up a book. I don't want to pay the money to read it on Kindle.

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I had a cup of oatmeal and a half of a biscuit at 10:30.. Then we went to Wal-Mart and the library. DH and I both get a cart at Walmart then we meet at the checkout. He gets his bread, milk and candy, I get everything else. When we met at the checkout we both had bananas. Great minds think alike. He picks bigger and riper ones. I buy greener ones because they ripen. But I kept his because he already had them in a produce bag.

Believe it or not he wants spaghetti today. We just had ravioli but he says that's different.

Carol: does your library have an e-reader app and titles available for that? I download lots of books from the library now, and can read them on my kobo, or kindle. ( I just have apps on my tablet, I think DH is getting me a kobo waterproof reader for my birthday, how great is that) Its an app called Libby, and can download to the Libby app, kobo, kindle or nook I think.
I still get real books from time to time, but also the e-books, which are handy. Because the new Outlander novel is coming out in November, I am slowly re-reading the previous books. They are HUGE books, takes a couple of weeks or longer to read one, depending on how much time I have to read. I do buy those, since they get read over again and are so big, they are a bargain. I prefer them over the tv series, which I watch with DH so at least he can share in the story with me. The writer does a great job with love scenes, without being explicit, so he likes when I read those parts and feel romantic, LOL.

Anyhow, Yes, I don't often weigh after eating days. I did not weigh yesterday, but I did today, mostly to temper my expectations after fasting today. On Saturday morning I peaked under 160 finally, but today I am 162.5 so I may not be under 160 tomorrow after my day of fasting. That is ok, but I did not want to feel discouraged. I ate reasonably yesterday, but did have a few potatoes with the pot roast, and also had the butternut squash soup, which is also a bit high in carbs. But at least my carbs were healthy veggies and not sugar or junk foods.
Its cold and rainy here today, but I did get out for a short walk with the dog, since he needs to walk. Got the walk in during a window where the rain was almost stopped for about 30 minutes.

Carol: since you don't really feel hungry, perhaps eating is habit, boredom, or just mouth feel. Like why I over eat. Like if a bite is tasty, I need a lot of that food, I don't feel satisfied by eating a little, or even a lot. I am working on that. There a plenty of books that talk about these psychological needs for food, but i am not sure its helpful. Not having it in the house is helpful. We never buy candy for Hallowe'en until the day of. This year we will put stuff in a bowl outside of the house and let the kids help themselves. Only the younger ones come early, and if they are greedy and we run out, I don't worry about the older ones.

Have a good day friends.

About weighing, if we don't, we might think we are doing well but find out weeks later that we aren't. Many say to go according to how your clothes feel but it takes about 10 lbs for that to happen for me. I think weighing is a good thing, as long as its not obsessive.

Our library has an ebook app but its mostly novels. This book is by Dr Robert Lustig about the dangers of processed food, etc.

When I was checking out at Walmart there was something I thought of that I didn't get. Now I can't remember what it was. I could put it on the list for next time.

Weight was still 185 which isn't unusualy so I guess that is okay. Hopefully it will come back down soon. I'm still not sure tracking on MFP is helpful because I do seem to make myself stretch the calories higher to get to 1000. I'm just afraid to trust myself if I don't. If I eat only the breakfast and dinner I have planned, my calories won't even reach 900. Sodium is going to be high so I'll have to drink a lot of water. Fiber is high but will make my net carbs in a nice range.

I'm in a lazy cooking place right now which might not be good. I am in one of those moods where I don't want to have to decide what to cook. So I have to be really, really careful right now or I could gain instead of lose.

Carol Sue I used to be an emotional eater when DH#2 was living. He was a policeman and then a security gaurd and worked evenings. Once the kids grew up I was home alone and it was strange but as soon as he walked out the door I was hungry most of the time he was working. I didn't have that problem when the kids lived at home so I'm sure it was all boredome.

I think I need to get back to a 2MAD woe and not eat at night. I ate last night but I really wasn't hungry. I just wanted it. So I need to stop this before it becomes a habit again. So although I have supper tracked on MFP, I think I will ignore and just make this a 2MD.

Fatmad Great idea putting the candy out for the kids to get it themself. But I think the bigger kids would grab it all and the little kids wouldn't get any. So I don't buy candy for Halloween any more. These days kids don't come to the house as long as the porch light is off. And we don't get a lot of them any more because a lot of churches and groups have parties or something for the kids to keep them safe and off the streets. It is sad that kids can't seem to have the fun with things we had when we were children.

Have a nice day everybody.

LOL. We always buy candy for Halloween. DH thinks someday we will get a lot of kids but we only get a few. Under 10 kids, little ones. They get more kids across the street but few cross the street to come to our house. We have steps up to the porch. Too much work for a candy bar. One women sits in her garage to pass out the candy.

Trish, do you feel satisfied with less than 1000 calories? If you do, then just continue to add something but not eat it like you did with the banana. Don't force more food.

I have leg pain today but I walked good at Wal-Mart with the cart. We are supposed to get rain again so maybe the barometer falling is the cause of the pain.

I think I'm going to like this book. It tells how eating the right food can prevent certain medical issues, while meds just treat the symptoms, not the cause. Things like cholesterol, blood pressure, and of course we know, diabetes type II.

Carol Sue I really don't know if I could get by with eating only 1000 calories. Sorry your leg is hurting and I hope you will feel better soon.

I ended up eating less than 1200 calories and I didn't go over with the sodium because I decided to eat my chipped beef on rice instead of biscuits or bread. So I was able to keep the calories and sodium down.

DH told me tonight that he wants to start drinking almond milk. He watched a doctor talking about sugar in milk and diabetes. He is talking about starting with almond milk and we may end up going low carb. Not keto low but low carb. So it is going to be interesting to see how DH decides he wants to eat. If he decides to go lower carb, I will do it with him. In fact, the other day I was comparing almond and coconut flour to regular and the big deal is that they have fiber that regular doesn't have.

Goodnight.

Trish, I made that comment because you said you are sometimes stretching your calories to reach 1000, and one day you said you added a banana to MFP but did not eat it. I could not eat less than 1000 calories on a daily basis but if I was really not hungry on a particular day I would not eat just to satisfy MFP.

Last night I was hungry when I went to bed and all night. This morning I am STARVING. But I refuse to eat until at least 11:00. I will not die. The scale was back up to 189.2 which is only .4 but how can it be up when I'm so hungry? I know! I know! I ate spaghetti for dinner. Pure carbs. Makes you feel full but no long term satiety. Makes you retain fluid. We don't really understand these things they tell us until you experience it yourself. I guess this is why DH gets hungry every 2 hours.

Fluid is not fat. We don't want to retain fluid because it shows up on the scale but its not really important in the fight to lose weight. I should have known I would have a fluid up tick because my face was puffy when I woke up. Dehydration isn't good either. If the scale goes down tomorrow it will just be the loss of the fluid I was retaining today. This is one of the bad factors of daily weighing.

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My step daughter uses Almond milk. I tried it and I don't like it. Not at all. DH would never switch, so no sense in me worrying about it. I hope its something that is helpful for your DH. I would like to try Fairlife milk but DH wouldn't do that either. Lower carb would probably be better for both of you. Would your DH give up his cheeseburger bun and frenchfries?

I ate at 11:00, 2 fried eggs and toast. I cooked it with spray that saved me the calories of the butter DH uses. Very light butter on the toast. My hunger had subsided a bit from the coffee. I think that's because my blood sugar rises with coffee. I probably could have gone longer but maybe not all the way to dinner. I didn't want to eat any closer to dinner. I don't know what we're having.

DH ate coffee cake for breakfast and Pastaroni for lunch all by 11:00. I used to do that with him. Its not making a real big difference that I don't do that anymore, but maybe I would still be gaining.

Trish, you are very lucky that your DH is also interested in improving his eating. My DH thinks his eating is fine.


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Hi friends: to my complete surprise I was 159 this am. Not 159.5 or anything, just 159. So that was awesome. To be able to lose a bit even after eating 2 days. I may try to do this as a regular thing, fast Monday, Wednesday and Friday and eat the other days, having 2 days of eating of the weekend. If I can continue to lose that would be ok. I really wanted to by under 160 for my birthday next week, so I have accomplished that, the next this is to not regain and continue to lose. I am not being strictly low carb on my eating days, but ensuring lots of protein and fat, and healthy carbs. Few breads or crackers and having the veggies as my carbs seems to be a good combo right now.

Trish: never cared for almond milk. From an environmental point of view, its not great as it is resource intensive, even more than dairy and cows, to produce. Not much better for people. My daughter who avoids dairy has oat milk for those times she needs a milky thing, like cereal. Does you DH take in a lot of milk? Or just with coffee and cereal? If he doesn't take in much, what he uses is probably not a big deal. Start with a small container, in case he doesn't like it, would be my advice.

Have a good day friends

Fatmad I have been using almond milk and had a half gallon here. He said he tasted it and it wasn't too bad. The interesting thing is that I have just switched to Fat Free milk so I could make us SF FF instant puddings to satisfy our taste for sweets. I looked up making it with almond milk and you have to cook the milk with cornstarch before making it and I don't know that I want to do that. He and I both only drink 1 c of milk a day besides the little bit that is in the pudding. The thing is he drinks whole milk and might need to just switch to lower fat instead. I never was sure I was getting all the calcium I need from the almond milk. The nice thing about it for me was that it is low calorie. It took me a while to develop a taste for it and have to buy the unsweetened vanilla and add liquid stevia to it so I could drink it. That may be why he likes the taste.

Carol Sue I like the fact that DH is working at his woe because he wants to keep his bs down. I count it a blessing. Actually he takes one half of the bread off and eats his cheeseburger with only the bottom half. I don’t know how he would do with no bread. He just needs to learn what low carb actually means. Then we can plan our woe together. I don’t know what he would do about KFC which he will want to get today. I told him last night that I am tired of KFC mainly because the last 2 times we got it you could tell it was old and had just been sitting under the light. If I’m going to eat fried chicken, I want it fresh since we don’t eat it that much. I may suggest getting a roasted chicken today instead and go by KFC to get his coleslaw.

I am fasting today until dinner. Weight was 185.8 this morning which I’m sure was the sodium in the chipped beef but I hate it. I thought about taking one of DH Lasix but decided to just face the scale because the loss would only be water and temporary. So this week seems to be a lot of sodium which means I need to drink plenty of water which is hard to do today since this is our shopping day to Sam’s and Walmart. I am thankful it is still 185 but I saw 183 and would love to see it again by the end of this month. Just not it is going to happen the way things are going.

I find it so much easier to fast until dinner rather than fasting after dinner so I need to just start doing it that way and do a 20:4 IF ratio. I’m not going to track on MFP for a few days and see how I do. The main thing is to plan an evening meal which is hard to do since I don’t usually cook that time of day. Just need to start making it work for me so I can start losing weight again. I can also use a notebook to track what I eat without worrying about hitting 1000 calories. I'm not losing quickly any way so it is probably worth experiencing to see if it would work better for me.

Have a nice day everyone.

Trish, KFC is only 4-5 miles from our house but DH never suggests it but he always wanted it when we went to the WVa casino. We haven't been there in months. Ours doesn't seem to be very busy so the chicken might be old. We get a rotisserie chicken about once a month. I prefer rotisserie. When we get KFC DH pulls the skin and coating off anyway.

I never lose if I eat after dinner but I'm on a different circadian rhythm than you. I rarely stay up later than 9-10 especially in the winter when it gets dark early. So I need those few hours after dinner to get my food digested before bed. I was thinking today that I really need to get my insulin down. Every time you eat you get an insulin response so 2 meals is good for me, and I should have 4-5 hours of no food in between. This book I'm reading says that the issue about type 2 is not really about blood sugar. That is just a symptom. The real problem is insulin, and insulin resistance. That is what needs to be corrected for me.

Because of this I forced myself to exercise for 45 minutes. Very low intensity. 30 minutes of slow peddling on my recumbent bike. 25 squats on my squat machine and 10 minutes on the treadmill. Not breaking any records and not even breaking a sweat. But moving my muscles instead of sitting in my chair. I would like to also walk 10-15 minutes after dinner, as that is recommended to help burn some glucose from the meal. I need to start taking this seriously. I know my A1c is going to be high even though I didn't gain weight since last time. I've had too many spikes. I hope I can keep this up. It should help strengthen my muscles along my the way.

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We went to Texas Roadhouse. I wanted to try their chili. I got a chicken dinner and ordered the chili as a side. It,was a little spicy for me but not unbearable. In the future I can just get the chili and a side salad and that will be satisfying for me. That will make up for DH not wanting chili very often at home, and I like having the beans. I brought chicken home for the dog and he was happy!

We went shopping after dinner so that was my walking. The recliners I wanted were on sale so we bought them. They are also lift chairs. We don't need them now but someday we might. We have to try to get our son in law to pick them up for us in his truck. Having the new chairs is going to make our couch look shabby but we will be getting that new soon.