I found this interesting. Enter your stats and check "all nutrients." I printed out my results and saved them. Not sure what I will do with them. ha ha I don't know how I would check to see how close I am to getting the recommended individual nutrients.
Some how I missed this until today. I printed it out for DH and myself. I find it interesting, but I think if I ate that many calories that I would gain weight.
Carol Sue Glad you had such a good visit with your old school friends. Not many people get to keep up with old school friends.
Well, I gained weight this week. Up 3.4 lbs. My fault because I fell of the wagon last night. Pigged out on those cinnamon crackers made with Almonds that I bought. Dr. Whitaker's plan was an experiment using CAD. I've decided CAD doesn't work for me any more. Putting all my carbs in one meal just sets me up for failure. Just doesn't work for me any more. I am used to eating something around 7 or 8 as my last meal/snack of the day. I think I could still do an IF 8':16 ratio and will go back to that. I can even cut off my eating time around 6 pm.
I'm going back to calorie counting and spread the calories over an 8 hr eating window, but in small/mini-meals between 10 am - 6 pm. I changed things on MFP so I don't see red and set my high limit to 1500. My goal is to keep them under 1200 most days. However, I don't want to eat more than 1500 even though I only use that many calories when we out to eat mainly because it usually raises the sodium too much. I am also eating low sodium. I want to get away from fluid pills. I will go back to the 30 minutes bike exercise 5 days a week. I'll still keep the other exercise which I think will add up to 15 more minutes so that I will be doing 45 minutes total 5 days a week besides all my other busy activities. Who knows by doing this, I may even eat less calories as I plan to use IE rule of eat when hungry and don't eat if I'm not. After all this is still tweaking my eating plan from a diet to a lifestyle.
DD bp finally came down before CHF nurse called me so we didn't have to go to the hospital. She told me what to watch for when his bp goes up. I told her I also think he needs to go back to the 4 Lasix a week instead of 3 so we changed that back. I have decided to call the primary doctor's office tomorrow to see if I can get him in to see the PA. I remembered that the primary doctor said that the medication that the cardiologists insists on using messes with his thyroid. He tried to get the cardio doc to change it as he said there are meds out there that works just as well without messing with the thyroid. Cardiologist would not change it, but cut it in half. So maybe PA will have to check it and adjust it again. He also said some other med DD is on may be making him feel this way but he didn't want to stop those all at once. So I think he needs to be checked out again and we don't need to wait for his 3 month check up. He needs to keep an eye on what is going on and do it before then.
I have today's foodplan planned out on MFP. If we don't go out for DBIL birthday today, my calories will be under 1200 calories otherwise, I'll have to just work at staying under 1500. It all depends on whether DD feels like going out to eat or not.
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Trish, I think most people who do CAD only eat 1 portion of carbs at the RM, so their diet is mostly low carb. At least that's what I see on other forums. I know when I follow it I just have either bread with a sandwich, or potatoes, but not both. I think if you want more carbs than that you are better to space them out through the day, especially as a diabetic. I think that the plan says you can eat an amount of carbs that is 1/3 of your plate. Those women you knew still post on that CAD thread, and they really don't seem to eat many carbs at all.
My calorie requirements came to 1886 per day. The way I understand it, that is the number of calories required to maintain current weight. To lose, you are to deduct 500 calories per day, right? So that would be 1386, and I would lose at that calorie count. I think that's about right for me, because my calorie burn per day as shown on my Fitbit is usually in the 1700-2000 calorie range.
weight finally coming back down. Back to ticker. Now, how to stay there and not go up, and start losing and getting under 170 again. See where the next week takes me.
Off call this week, so a couple of long workdays and then up to the cottage for a long weekend. Will get some nice walks and hiking and hope for a nice time in a kayak again.
Trish, hope you find a path to weight loss again too. I can't even imagine it with how often you eat out. I would have to put half my food in a take out every time.
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Mad, glad to hear your weight is back down and you're going to get some relaxing time off. I can only imagine the stress involved with your job, but the joy, also.
I don't know about the places where Trish eats out, but other than the casino buffet, most of the places I go have somewhat smaller portions than more posh restaurants, and you're able to order 2 vegetable sides rather than including a starch. Passing on the bread, that makes the meal low carb. We don't go to any Italian, Mexican or Asian restaurants. It's mostly family friendly places where the menu is varied, and most also offer smaller/senior portions. And I'm not a dessert eater at all. I don't feel that eating out is what effects my weight...it's my second helpings of food I prepare at home, along with snacking in between, which I am trying to curb.
I had a very restless sleep last night, and won't be surprised if I end up taking a nap. LOL
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fatmad I'm glad you are back to your ticker weight. It goes back to taking one day at a time. Not being on call will give you some rest too.
I don't usually have a problem eating out because I always plan ahead what I am going to eat before I get there. Most places these days have a website with the calories and nutrition listed. It is when the place gets changed on me or if we forget to tell them not to bring bread to the table. Even then I can still do good most of the time. I never eat dessert when eating out unless we go to Golden Corral and then only if they are serving my favorite Carrot Cake. Otherwise, I don't. Most of the places we eat, I can do low carb like meals very easily.
I did excellent with my eating all week last week until the weekend and I have to say that it was like I just couldn't get enough to eat and I ate all the wrong things. It was all my fault. I honestly think that doing so much exercise actually made me hungry. However, I am NOT giving up. I am back OP today.
I didn't go meet DD this morning. I am waiting for CHF nurse to call me because DD bp went up again last night. My DS may go over to DD but I am not. I'm cooking a pork steak with some broccoli/cauliflower blend for my breakfast. I think I'm just going to plan to eat what I feel like eating. I wanted a low carb like meal this morning. I would have had eggs and bacon at Whataburger so why not stick with the low carb breakfast. Lunch will be cod fillet with a salad and veggies. I think I will make a tuna salad ahead of time for this evening. I will go back to the 30 minutes 5 or 6 days a week. I will do the weights only 2 or 3 days a week the way I had planned in advance. After all this is my plan I am creating that I can live with. I don't like to eat late so I will try to cut off my eating time around 6 pm which will be between 6 or 7 hr eating window. The 8:16 ratio seems to be easier for me to do. I really don't want to get back to eating snacks. So I will be spreading 3 meals 4 hrs apart for a limited 8 hr eating window.
Carol Sue It is true that the girls on the CAD group you talk about does eat 1/3 of plate as a carb. However that is CALP. The original CAD did not divide the plate into thirds. The CAD group on FB follows the original and do fine. My problem was not really the CAD this weekend. It was a weekend of bingeing. I have actually had much success when I follow the original plan and perhaps if I go back to doing it the way I have in the past, it will work again.
I am noticing that maybe I cannot go until 11 or 12 before eating breakfast since something has changed and all this past week, my BS is higher than my FBS instead of lower like it used to be just before I eat breakfast. The second reading used to be considerably lower than the FBS. Both are fasting, I don't know why it goes up. I'll keep an eye on that. BS continues to be in a fairly good range later in the day so that is good. System is changing. I'm going to continue CAD with exercise a little longer. It was working until I changed somethings this past week. I'll give it time to work. No snacks will be quite helpful.
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Trish, my blood sugar was always lower first thing than it was a little later. It seems that it should go down since the fasting was continuing, but it didn't. I have heard that the Dawn Phenomenon starts around 4-5 AM and that we should eat something as soon as we get up to stop the liver dump. But that never made sense to me, because the longer we fast, the lower our insulin level goes, and insulin stores fat. Eating again will also cause another insulin surge. It's all very confusing to me. I'm wondering if you were having that opposite effect because of the meds you were injecting, and now you're no longer taking it. Do you think that might be the case.
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Trish, I have 3 CAD books....CAD, Calp and CAHHD (healthy heart.) I have never done it as written. The closest I've gone is to only eat carbs at dinner. But recently, I got involved in a discussion about CAD vs CALP. So many said that CAD does not involve the 1/3, 1/3, 1/3, but just says to eat carbs at the RM and finish in one hour. I looked through my books, and my CAD book says to do the 1/3. So I looked in the front of the book, and it said that the book was copyright in 1991, but my copy was printed in 1993 by Signet. I am wondering if between 1991 and 1993 they made a slight change. I had the original book, but must have donated it, and bought this one at Goodwill at a later date, so I can't compare this printing to the original, but it is definately CAD, not CALP. I find very few people still eating this plan. I wonder why that is? It makes it so much easier being able to have some carbs once a day. In my research, I have discovered that there are people posting on both of the Low Carb Forums, like I do. And I also notice that some of them stall, and then are bouncing from on WOE to another, trying to find their solution.
I have been reading so much stuff in the past week that my brain hurts. LOL I remember the first time I lost weight at 21 years old, I knew nothing at all about weight loss. I just ate less and exercised and my weight went down. It seems the more I learned, the less success I had. I think I try too hard. Why can't I just eat when I'm hungry, and stop when I'm no longer hungry? Isn't that the way it was all planned "in the beginning?"
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I have been reading so much stuff in the past week that my brain hurts. LOL I remember the first time I lost weight at 21 years old, I knew nothing at all about weight loss. I just ate less and exercised and my weight went down. It seems the more I learned, the less success I had. I think I try too hard. Why can't I just eat when I'm hungry, and stop when I'm no longer hungry? Isn't that the way it was all planned "in the beginning?"
This is bad. Now I am quoting and replying to my own posts. LOL But I want to discuss this further. Not only have I been reading some studies to see the results, but I have been reading old threads from long time members of other forums. Although I know that we are all different and what works for one does not work for all, I have been following people over a period of time. I feel that personal results speak louder than any study. I have read some people who have shown steady losses and are maintaining. Then there are some people who have really been struggling, without much real change in weight over a period of years, the way it's been for me. It seems to me that there has to be reduction in calories no matter how you do it. The people who say you can eat as much as you want on low carb are finding that it only works for the initial weight loss. The same with CAD. The people who were using the RM to eat as much carb as they wanted as long as it was within an hour, found that it did not work long term. There has to be limits of some sort. You have to be willing to give something up to reap rewards. I'm not saying suffer through hunger, but find a way to eat less food, but make it be satisfying food, that stays with you longer, and has the highest nutritional value. It doesn't matter if you do low carb, IF, CAD....whichever one you can live with.....but it has to involve less food in order to result in a loss. All I know is, I can relate to those who are struggling, but I want to emulate those who have lost and are maintaining.
Carol Sue I tend to agree with you. I don't think there has to be a name to what we do. I have decided to just count calories. For one thing as much as I like salads, I am finding that I am tired of them and do not want them all the time. I do like breakfast, but I prefer it around 10:30 or 11 am. I'm still not a get up and eat breakfast first thing or even within an hour and sometimes, I don't want or need it at all. I think that goes back to eat when you are hungry.
I personally like eating 2 meals a day which works very well with eating more of a brunch and then eat an early supper around 3 or 4 pm. I would personally rather have a snack later rather than a meal. As I think back to when I was doing really well and losing and bs was really good, that is how I ate. I've decided to go back to that.
As for exercise? I think doing 20 to 30 minutes a day is what is important and I'm not sure it matter when I do it as long as I do it. From what I see, 3 to 5 days seems to be okay. Moving instead of sitting so much is what is important.
I'm not going to cut out the starchy carbs. For one thing it sets me up to binge like I did last week end. Until then, I had not had a binge in years. I never used the CAD RM to over carb mainly because I don't like the way it makes me feel. Even when I go to Golden Corral and have the carrot cake, I know that I am going to be walking for a minimum of 60 minutes as we usually go to Sam's and Walmart on those days. I know I'm going to walk it off. On MFP when I track my food and it calculates all the veggies I put in my salad, the salad veggie calories are not small. They still count just like the other and I use the lowest calorie dressing I can find. So my carbs are not coming so much from high carb/calorie veggies as they are from the low carb/calorie ones.
I was amazed one day when I had my calories figured on MFP and I changed my protein, carb and fat to the ratio that Dr. Whitaker puts his patients on. I had already tracked my calories etc. When I changed the carbs to 60% and the protein and fat to 20% each like he recommends for his patients, it showed that I would lose more weight in 5 weeks than it did when I was using the lower carb ratios. That really surprised me and I still don't understand why it worked like that.
I still don't want to eat that many carbs, so I moved the carbs back down to 45%, but I really have to wonder if I should. So for now, I am just going to exercise and count calories. I do want to keep my calories down around 1200 or less. If I'm going to lose slowly, I may as well enjoy it while I do it.
One thing I am going to do is stop worrying about it. I still think about what the dietician told me to do. Continue eating the way I am and trust that everything will work out. She said as long as I'm eating healthy, I can know I'm doing something good for my body.
I am going back to eating like they fed me in the hospital and count my calories on MFP. I'm not going to play around with it any more. I mainly watch the sodium now since I don't want high bp. I have labs tomorrow and get results next week. My FBS was 151 this morning with no meds. Although it was 162 yesterday morning, 4 hours after breakfast when I was ready to eat main meal, it was 118. I feel comfortable with that. I still remember reading about a diabetic who said her doctor didn't worry about the fbs, he was more concerned with what it was later in the day. TOPS used to say eat sensibly. That is going to be my new plan. Count calories, exercise and eat sensibly.
My system is working good right now. TMI but my bowels are more normal now and regular. I rest good at night and am ready to get up most mornings after a 6 to 7 hr sleep. So I figure that is a good sign that I am doing something right and I am on the right track. Weight is still up, but not going to stress over it because I believe the stress makes things worse.
Carol Sue, to understand the dawn phenomenon, jus think about over reactions that we sometimes have.
As the night goes on, and our fasting times are longer, our blood sugar drops more and more. At some point, it gets low, and something triggers our body to start ramping up again. (we get more wakeful towards dawn) and the body looks around and says whoa, not enough blood sugar, where will I get me some? and looks to the liver, which then over corrects, and dumps a big load in. And yet the pancreas is not ready to take it all, its just too much. SO we have this longer time where we have a high blood sugar, uncorrected. Which isn't good for us. and higher fasting blood sugar.
This is why the best treatment is a little prevention, a small snack in the evening of something with a bit of carbs, but also fat, like peanuts, ice cream etc.
But it MUSt be a small snack. (10 nuts, a small scoop of ice cream) or you will add too many calories to the day.
And of course, our concern about it messing with weight loss.
Try it for a week and see what happens with your sugars.
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Mad, for a while there, I was eating 1 scrambled egg at night before bed. It helped lower FBG. I think I got out of that habit when I started eating only when hungry. I wasn't hungry at bedtime, so no eating. I remember one time I tried 2 scrambled eggs, and that backfired. Apparently, that was too much food. So I get what you're saying.
Someone else explained to me that like you said, the body is thinking not enough blood sugar and starts the liver dump. So if you eat something as soon as you get up the body is happy to get some food and the liver dump stops. But then along the same lines, I was trying to not eat if not hungry and stopped eating first thing. So I'm not sure what I should be doing. I want to only eat when I'm hungry. I seem to be able to control my snacking when I eat that way, but it might not be best for my blood sugar. Diabetes sucks!
Glad to see you are true to ticker. You are doing great with this!
Trish, we usually go shopping somewhere after eating out, too, usually Walmart. That walking goes along with what I was saying about have a short walk after a large meal to help with blood sugar control. I'm not sure how much food gets burned off with walking. It's hard to outrun your fork.
I had a very bad carb day yesterday and it showed on my meter last night before bed. I don't even want to talk about it. I need to learn a good lesson.
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Today our temps are going to be in the 90s with high humidity. Also, it's a code orange ozone action day. People with respiratory problems and the elderly are to stay inside. I don't know what people do who do not have air conditioning. Some areas have cooling centers but not in our area. Some can go to the malls.
I just saw the weather report on tv and it seems this is the weather for much of the lower portion of the US.
I wrote a long post and lost it because my computer froze up.
fatmad Great for getting back to ticker weight. You are doing very well. I knew it would come back down because we got right back OP. Thanks for the dawn phenomenon info. I read something about that before, but you make it so easier to understand. Although I like going for hrs between meals, I have heard that we need to have the small meals every so many hrs to keep the bs level. Although I usually wait until between 10 and 12 before eating 1st meal of the day, maybe that isn't too wise.
I have been off the Trulicity for about a month now and the fbs is running between 140s to 150s with an occasional 162 thrown in. I attribute the high reading on being off the Trulicity as well as the fact that I had 4 or 5 days of insulin. I've read that T2 diabetics do not need to be on insulin. Carol Sue If the doctor has something he can give me to help me lower the bs that I can afford or that he can give me, I won't turn it down.
I got my blood drawn for this 3 month doctors visit next week. This is the time to take steps to getting my act together. I know that I am not a person who can stick with an Atkins low carb. However, I could do the new low carb plan they gave me when I moved here and continue to count my calories on MFP. I like MFP because I can also keep up with my exercise calories although I do not eat the earned calories, I still like the fact that it helps keep doing them.
Carol Sue I don't try to cut out the starchy carbs any more because I finally realized that when I do that I set myself up for a binge. Last weekend was the first time in I can't remember when that I have had a binge. I would eat something carby, but I didn't binge. Last weekend, I actually had a full fledged binge. I do not want to ever do that again. I see that by allowing those carbs within my calorie count is the wisest way for me to go.
I see a lot of people who count their calories who eat what they want within their calorie of points limit and they actually lose weight. I'm tired fighting this going up and down and up more than down. I know WW works great for me, but I can't pay to join WW so that is why I decided to keep counting calories on MFP. I am hoping that by the time I go back for the next blood work in 3 months I will not only have a better bs reading, but I will also have lost some weight.
I don't like cooking for me in the evening since DH and I eat earlier in the day. I noticed that WW Smart Ones have come down in price. I bought 3 of them today. I am going to go back to eating one of those in the evening with a serving of veggies that I like. When I did WW before, I ate a small breakfast, ate main meal with DH and then a WW frozen dinner in the evening. I hope it will work for me again.
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Trish, I understand how cutting carbs can set you up for a binge, and have read where that happens to many people. I agree that it is better for you to have some throughout the day if that is the case. My friend who lost 35 lbs eats 50-70 carbs every day but cut calories, and also lowered her A1C doing that, so there is no hard and set rule that says you must give up carbs. Do what works for YOU. Your doctor can decide if and what you need to help.
I have heard people mention being in the "donut hole" with meds, the period when insurance no longer covers it, but I have never had that situation since so far, all my meds are available in generic. How long does that period last? And I have heard that most drug assistance plans do not apply to Medicare, the people who need it the most. It's really a shame since that injection was working so well for you. I hope you are able to find something less expensive.
I did not do great with carbs yesterday, but I was much better than I've been lately. I ate hot sausage with a bun instead of just on a plate, and when DH pulled out the ice cream bars, I ate one. At bedtime I did have my 1 scrambled egg, and this morning my blood sugar was the same as it was when I went to bed so I plan on going back to that on a regular basis. Also, when DH doesn't cook scrambled eggs, I have been eating cottage cheese instead. The protein and fat are the same as for 2 eggs, but there are 8 carbs in the cottage cheese. I believe that is from the milk. I am trying not to panic over those 8 gms of carbs, as I believe the calcium is good for me. In the past week I have tried different brands of cottage cheese to see which I like, and it is surprising to me that Friendly Farms from Aldi's is very good. I did a taste test between that and the Daisy I had been eating and I really can't taste a difference. With one brand I accidentally picked up cottage cheese with pineapple. I was not expecting that taste when I put it in my mouth and I spit it into the sink. LOL That whole carton went down the garbage disposal. Anyway, the carbs were very high on that one due to the pineapple. Walmart's Great Value had a very odd taste that I didn't like. Some people online say that organic cottage cheese is very good, but I'm not going to drive 25 miles to Whole Foods just for cottage cheese.
I don't think the few days of insulin would hurt you. They do that in the hospital because with so many patients, it is easier for them to test, and then inject the correct amount of insulin, rather than giving different meds to different patients. When you leave the hospital, you just go back to the meds you were on previously, and test accordingly. I agree that insulin is not a good choice for a type 2, who's insulin is too high to begin with.
The Smart Ones sound like a good idea for you. What does DH eat when you're having that?
I think we hare going to have steak for dinner. My DIL is supposed to stop over in the evening with my DGS so steak will be a quick clean up afterwards. I didn't eat read meat for years, but lately I'm starting to enjoy steak since I've learned to cook them to my liking.
Have a good day, everyone!
I wonder how p.a. is doing? I hope she's ok and wish she would check in.
