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Old 11-11-2011, 10:27 AM   #1  
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Anyone do mostly low carbon and count calories? I've been most successful on low carbon diets, but feel I could incorporate counting cals as well to watch portions.
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I use a low-carb exchange plan. Exchange plans are a way to count calories, because all the foods within an exchange grouping contain roughly the same calorie count.

I like exchanges because the calorie counting is done for me, and it feels more natural to me to think of food in terms of interchangeable units than calories (as an example, for non-starchy veggies, 1 vegetable exchange = 1/2 cup cooked or 1 cup raw, and the calories range from 20 to 30).
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Yep, I typically do. I don't do a traditional "low carb diet" or even count my carbs. I generally try to keep my whole grains to once a day, for example, by eating a high fiber tortilla with breakfast OR some quinoa at dinner, not both.

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I do! Being just generically low carb doesn't work for me, I need to count calories.
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Old 11-12-2011, 11:14 AM   #5  
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I have switched up my diet program 4 times since beginning this Spring.

I started out just eating better, making healthier choices. I lost 8 pounds.

I joined Weight Watchers, but was not thrilled with the Points Plus program/results. Having lost 4 pounds in 8 weeks was hardly motivating, plus there were so many other people unhappy with it--I bagged it. First, I counted calories up to 1200, and logged the WWPP values, and the difference was astounding.

So, I continued with CC, but upped it from 1200 to a ceiling of 1400. Over 4 weeks I lost 8 pounds. Then, I hit a plateau for 3 weeks, and a .6 gain. I'm menopausal, and am in a phase right now where TOM is nowhere to be found, but I don't exactly know what those hormones do to my WL efforts. When TOM comes, I show a gain. When TOM is supposed to come and doesn't, and I stay the same....can I gather that the hormones are having some effect?

Well, to break the plateau, I decided to go back to a basic plan. For the past 2 weeks, I had Glucerna (diabetic shake) for B&L, with a fruit snack in the morning and afternoon, and dinner is a generic plate of protein/starch/veg. That is the work week--weekends are a little different, but I do my best to make good choices and definitely stick to my calorie ceiling.

I had not realized in the short run that this current approach is also low carb...but I have not eaten bread during the work week, my only "white carb" is at dinner..be it rice, potato, pasta, etc., and only that portion. I did allow a switch out at lunch one day to Progresso soup, because it is near the calories of the shake (200ish).

So basically, I'm calorie counting, and a byproduct of the diet I've been following for 2 weeks is that it is also low carb. In 2 weeks, I dropped 5 pounds and broke the plateau. Even if its "trickery", it is highly motivating. I'm close to getting into the 160s, and I'm thrilled.

Since I had to continue the WW meetings through last week to qualify for a half $ refund, last week was my last weekly weigh in. I hate the weekly weigh in. I do better emotionally when I stay off the scale. So, I intend to follow my current plan for at least 1 more week, and stay off the scale, hopefully, until the end of the month.

Another thing I noticed is I'm really not craving anything. Food has been reduced to nourishment.

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Awesome!! Great, thanks .124- that's great! Wonderful losing the 5 lbs!! Keep it up .
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I do both, mostly because low carb VASTLY reduces cravings and makes it so much easier to stick to my calorie targets.

Usually, I made an egg beater omelette in the morning with a cut up veggie patty and some mushrooms in it (you can make a huuuuge one for something like 200 calories). For lunch, I'll have a plain greek yogurt or a few eggs, a cheese stick, some carrots, and usually some nuts as well. For dinner, a large portion of protein and veggies cookies in olive oil, sometimes with a little cheese sprinkled on. I snack on nuts, eggs, cheese, or whatever protein or veggies I have lying about.
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Like others here, I find that limiting carbs helps with hunger, but tracking calories keeps me the most accountable. I would be miserable trying to stay in my calorie limit if I ate lots of sugar. Sugar triggers hunger for me like nothing else.

While I'd probably lose weight just limiting carbs, I think it goes much faster combined with calorie counting. Plus I don't feel bad rewarding myself with a small piece of dark chocolate at the end of the day if I have some leftover calories.
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I count both, but I use the information mostly to watch trends with how I feel and my weight. I feel best on ketogenic level of carbs, but to lose weight, those calories have to be low too.
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I started today counting both again. The last time I lost a chunk of weight that is what I did. I thought I could just do low carb but it seems I have to go rather low to get anywhere and as someone who barley eats meat it just wasn't working. So I'm going back up to 75-100g of carbs per day and an average of 1300 or so calories per day.
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kaplods, can you explain a low carb exchange diet? I mean, I know the high carb american diabetic assn exchange diet (what an oxymoron!!!).... thanks!
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kaplods, can you explain a low carb exchange diet? I mean, I know the high carb american diabetic assn exchange diet (what an oxymoron!!!).... thanks!
If you're familiar with the ADA/ADA exchange plan, you've got the "basics" down. A Low-carb exchange plan uses the same exchanges, but "swaps" some or all of the higher carb exchanges for the calorie-equivalent of lower carb exchanges (protein, fat, and non-starchy veggies).


The first low-carb exchange plan, I encountered was in the book

The Duke Diet: The World-Renowned Program for Healthy and Lasting Weight Loss by Howard J. Eisenson M.D. and Martin Binks Ph.D.

In the book, the authors give readers the choice of a standard exchange plan, and a reduced-carb exchange plan (in several calorie levels. I don't remember if those where the "names" the authors used).


I then found another website (Hillbillyhousewife) that offered exchange plans in three carb levels.

That website no longer has the exchange information (that I could find), but another website does (frugalabundance). It appears to be the exact same information as I first found on Hillbillyhouswife.


This is the main page of frugal abundance with all sorts of exchange information (including food journal pages you can print out for any of the calorie/carb level exchange plans described on the website)

http://frugalabundance.com/frugal_fat_loss/index.htm



Here is the page that outlines the plans based on carb content

http://frugalabundance.com/frugal_fa...hange-plan.htm



I've done some additional tweaking for myself, basically experimenting with different carb levels. So the plan I've come up with is essentially the 1500 "high-protein" exchange plan plus outlined in the last link plus an additional 7 "optional" exchanges, which I can "spend" on starch, protein, fruit, dairy, or extra veggie exchanges (only 3 veggie exchanges count as one bread or optional exchange).

Even in the "classic" diabetic exchange plans you could count three veggie exchanges as one starch or fruit exchange, although this wasn't always mentioned in some explanations of the plan (maybe thinking it would be too complicated for some people).

I chose to use "optional exchanges" because I loved the "flex exchanges" or "floating exchanges" that were part of the Weight Watcher's plan in the 80's. It means that my calorie and carb levels vary a bit, but the flexibility allows me to eat more on days when I'm hungrier (such as during TOM) and also allows me to "splurge" on a higher carb treat, if I want to use my optional calories/exchanges for it.

Although if I do spend the calories on carbs (especially high-glycemic carbs like processed foods, dried fruit or fruit juice), I have to deal with extra hunger (for one day, that's not a huge deal - but it's not something I'd want to do every day).
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I've done some additional tweaking for myself, basically experimenting with different carb levels. So the plan I've come up with is essentially the 1500 "high-protein" exchange plan plus outlined in the last link plus an additional 7 "optional" exchanges, which I can "spend" on starch, protein, fruit, dairy, or extra veggie exchanges (only 3 veggie exchanges count as one bread or optional exchange).

Even in the "classic" diabetic exchange plans you could count three veggie exchanges as one starch or fruit exchange, although this wasn't always mentioned in some explanations of the plan (maybe thinking it would be too complicated for some people).

I chose to use "optional exchanges" because I loved the "flex exchanges" or "floating exchanges" that were part of the Weight Watcher's plan in the 80's. It means that my calorie and carb levels vary a bit, but the flexibility allows me to eat more on days when I'm hungrier (such as during TOM) and also allows me to "splurge" on a higher carb treat, if I want to use my optional calories/exchanges for it.
That is the problem I have with most exchange programs. Perhaps because they are often used for diabetics they often have no flexibility for days that are different or for foods that are more indulgent and don't fit in the categories.

I became a lifetime member at WW back when it was an exchange program. At that time as I recall there were 1 or 2 exchanges that you could float. As I recall you couldn't use them for an extra fat exchange though. In addition, you got a certain amount of optional calories (350 or 500 or something like that which you could use during the week). So if you really wanted a small piece of chocolate cake you could use optional calories for it (although you wouldn't have much left for anything else). Or, you could eat ice cream or a piece of candy. That did make the plan liveable for me.

Later on when I had regained and WW no longer did exchanges I thought about finding an exchange plan and using it but none of the ones I could find then had those components so I just rejected them. It is not that I'm a huge sweets eater (I had a small McFlurry today for the first time in many years and it was easy for me to count it with WW so it doesn't derail me at all), but I like having that option to occasionally eat something like that and still have a way to count it and not feel that I'm "cheating." Of course, nowadays I wouldn't mine modifying a program for myself so if I was doing exchanges I would modify one to be more like the old WW exchange program.
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...I thought about finding an exchange plan and using it but none of the ones I could find then had those components so I just rejected them.
I often found myself in this position too - rejecting a food plan because I wanted to make a modification (rather than just making the modification that I wanted). Instead, I would spend crazy amounts of time looking for a plan that would fit my needs or preferencess, rather than simply creating the components I wanted.

I think we're almost "trained" to do this, and it's just so silly.

When we're "not dieting" we're perfectly find with eating whatever we want, whether it's "balanced" or not, but we're reluctant to modify an "existing" diet because it "might not work" if we "mess with it."

I think it's because we're taught to associate dieting with "magical thinking"... One false move and "poof" the spell won't work.

We're not taught that tweaking and modifications are ok... in fact the diet plan creators almost always encourage this thinking... because it keeps you emotionally dependent on them. You NEED their plan, because nothing else will work. You can't modify the plan, or something terrible will happen to you (you might get sick from malnourishment, or you wont' lose any weight even on starvation calories because you didn't do it "their" way).


We're not afraid of eating an unhealthy, unbalanced diet when we eat whatever we want, but when it comes to weight loss, we're afraid to create the modifications we would like to see, and hunt for an "existing plan" (not even caring if the creator of the plan has credentials superior to our own) that matches our needs, instead of giving ourselves permission to create it.


I don't know when I had the "light switch" moment in which I realized that I had as much knowledge (or more) than many of the popular diet creators, so that I could trust myself to create my own program. If I wanted "optional calories," or "flexible exchanges" or anything else, I could choose that.

In the past, I would often quit diets that were working for me, because I had "drifted" too far from the prescribed plan. I saw it as "cheating," and I felt so bad for "cheating" (even though I was succeeding at the weight loss) that I would go looking for a different plan, so that I wouldn't feel the food guilt. Ironically, I could have just decided not to feel guilty. I could have trusted my tweaking ability and just run with it... Instead, I went looking for a plan I could be perfect on (even if that meant going perfectly off-plan and returning to the "eat whatever I want, and accept the weight gain" plan).


Something "clicked" when I realized that I could adapt virtually any food plan into exchange plans. I could even "do Atkins" on an exchange plan.

Now purists will argue, but that's what I'm personally very passionate about fighting... the concept and call to dieting "purism," which I believe is responsible for more weight loss failures than anything else. We're taught that having no plan at all, is better than following any plan imperfectly. We're essentially taught to choose between "perfect success" and "perfect failure."

Sadly, I often chose perfect failure.

I've changed my motto from "anything worth doing is worth doing well," to "anything worth doing is worth doing poorly when you don't have the resources (time, energy, patience, skill) to do it well."


If I want to eat 4,000 calories a day, I can do so with an exchange plan. If I want to diet without calorie limits, I can even use an exchange plan.

For example (and this shouldn't work, but it does), on some days I don't set a limit at all - but I do draw my food chart. In fact, I just bought a "grid stamp" (used for math) at a dollar store.

It's a grid of 100 boxes 10 rows and 10 coumns

I dip my stamp in ink, and stamp it into my food journal centered vertically on the page.

I write

Veggies
Protein
Fat
Fruit
Dairy
Bread

Water

directly left of the boxes (that means of the 10 rows, I only use 7 of them - I've thought of using the other empty rows of boxes to check off things like 10 minute increments of exercise).


Now to follow an established plan, I highlight the squares I intend to use (for example 6 boxes in the veggie row, 10 boxes in the protein row, 6 boxes in the fat row....

But on a day I'm not going to limit, but I am going to count, I just put x's or checkmarks in the boxes as I make my food choices.

Doing this encourages me to eat foods that are easy to count. I can count anything (and can usually even look up the food values online). Or I can use the nutrition label to calculate the exchanges (as the book, Exchanges for All Occasions, 4th edition explains how to do).

That way, even if I don't limit my food, I have counted it, and can determine what my approximate calorie count for the day was.

This is handy for "cheat meals" or "cheat days." In the past, when I would have "off plan days" I never knew whether my calorie intake for the off days were a little higher than on plan days, or whether they were 30,000 calorie days. By "counting" exchanges, I had a way to estimate calorie intake even on off days.

Counting calories would be just as useful, but I've had so much experience with exchange plans, that determining the exchange values for foods is so autommatic, that it's almost instinctive.

I was virtually raised on Weight Watchers' exchange plans, and I formally joined at 8 years old with my mother (it was the youngest age a person could join, and only with a parent who was also a member. So in theory, an overweight child couldn't join if neither parent was overweight enough to be a member. Now maybe there was a loophole, and the parent could join even if they weren't overweight as long as they paid the membership fees. I don't know. I was always the only kid in the meetings).

I do remember looking forward to becoming eligible to become a WW member, and I do remember reading Mom's WW materials before I was eligible to join myself.

I taught myself to read before kindergarten, and in my town, I was the only 7 year old allowed to browse and check out books from the adult sections of the library without a parent and I remember being so little that my feet didn't touch the floor, reading adult diet books.

I think one of the reasons I learned to read so early was my motivation to read "diet books." I was the only person in the family to have ever been overweight as a child, or to exceed 300 lbs (The second largest person in the family was my mother, and her highest weight was 280 and that was during her second pregnancy and included not only the pregnancy weight, but also severe edema from complications during the pregnancy. My highest weight was nearly 120 lbs higher, and I couldn't blame pregnancy or illness).

I'm starting to drift far off topic here, but my main point is that we're not taught to lose weight with logic. We're taught to "do" weight loss by means of very illogical and even outright ineffective methods. We make weight loss so much more complicated (and unpleasant) than it has to be, and then "wonder" why the success rates are so dismal. There are so many illogical and counterproductive traditions and rituals that logic gets thrown out the window.

It amazes me that it took me nearly 35 years to realize and decide that I could use an exchange plan any way I wanted to, or that I could even invent any plan I wanted to... and that a "bad plan" was usually better than "no plan."

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Great post Kaploids. I remember going to WW meetings with my mom in the 70s.
I was 11 years old at the time.
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