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Originally Posted by 4EverLearning
That's being pretty oblivious to Nada's feelings, for sure. Nada must really see something in your dad, though, some potential that she is waiting to have fulfilled, or she wouldn't keep going back for more--unless her self-esteem is so low that she feels compelled to keep putting herself in a situation where she is likely to be hurt again and again. Or, more likely, it's just a case of the "effort justification principle"--the idea that she has to stay around long enough to get the much-deserved and much-anticipated return on all of the time and resources she has invested in the relationship with your dad. It sounds like her effort is never going to pay off, and the smart thing for her would be to cut her losses and run. But she must get something out of the relationship, something pretty compelling to her, something that fulfills some kind of psychological need in her.
I guess! Even while I was disliking her, I felt sorry for her.
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OMG, that is REALLY cold and unfeeling, not to mention spectacularly self-centered and self-serving. He's turning Nada into an object or possession that he can play with and then shelve at will. The very fact that he would TELL you that that was his motivation for starting up the relationship again speaks volumes about just how oblivious he is to the reactions his behavior provokes, not only in Nada, but also in you and your sister and probably in lots of other observers of his behavior as well.
I'm not sure. Like I said, it wasn't something I'd ever noticed before, and maybe others hadn't either. Or maybe I was just being obtuse in my own way!
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Just more evidence of how truly clueless he is. You'd think he'd notice such a dramatic change in your behavior and in the family dynamics. Is he really just failing to notice, or is he in denial about it because recognizing it would mean confronting your hurt and dismay and the distance it has created in your relationship?
I suspect it's denial, but if it is it's pretty thorough!
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Your father is certainly a textbook case illustrating the need for a concept of "emotional intelligence" that is separate and distinct from, and only slightly correlated with, intelligence in its traditional meaning. I very much doubt that you could ever make your father understand the emotional ramifications of his behavior. Given that, it is perfectly rational for you to avoid confronting him. I hope you will be able to remember that and forgive yourself for it if you aren't able to fully and actively reconcile your issues with your dad. Instead, the "reconciliation" may have to be completely internal on your part, which is totally unfair, because it leaves you responsible for coming to terms with someone else's inappropriate behavior. But expecting your dad to take responsibility sounds like way too much to ask in this case. He just sounds completely incapable of it.
Exactly my feelings on it.
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Yes, that would make sense. Your mom was probably the mediator who smoothed things over between you and your dad. She was an enabler of sorts, defending and rationalizing his behavior in subtle ways that made it more palatable to you without you even noticing.
The funny thing is that he was always the one who would call me to let me know something I'd said or done had hurt my mom.
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The need for congruence in our cognitions is a really powerful motivator, pushing us to revise our perceptions of the past in order to make them congruent with what we see in the present. And the discrepancy between the father you remember from your childhood, versus the father you see before you now, is the very essence of cognitive dissonance. So it is not surprising that you would now be re-writing your psychological history, revising your memories of your father to fit this new story you are creating. But human behavior IS complex and inconsistent and dissonant and often inexplicable. So it may very well be that BOTH of the personas you see in your dad are accurate, despite their many seeming contradictions. I guess what I am trying to say is that I would hate to see you rewrite your memories of the childhood father you remember so fondly if doing so would have the unfortunate effect of robbing you of having grown up with a "wonderful father".
I guess I'm not exactly rewriting them so much as seeing things that weren't apparent before. It doesn't take away from all the wonderful-dad things that were there. He once wallpapered two rooms of a rathole apartment I lived in during college and built a hinged grated security cover for a french window that let out onto a flat rooftop accessible from the alleyway below where bars let out because he was concerned about someone breaking in while I was sleeping. That kind of thing peppers my entire life. I think he shows his love by doing things for people. Jane and Michael are due at school the same day, and Dad's going to move Michael in so both John and I can go with Jane for her freshman move-in. That's actually probably the first time I've asked him to do something for me in all this time -- I'm actually more surprised he hasn't noticed THAT than that he hasn't noticed I haven't called or invited him down.
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Now THAT is really hurtful. Of course you would be devastated that your father would be more influenced by Nada's unflattering and unfair attributions about your motives than we was by his own much longer and much more intimate direct experience of you. And if he could be pushed into rewriting his memories of you so easily, it is not at all surprising that you would want to reciprocate the "favor" by revising your concept of him.
Yeah, that was the worst incident in the entire episode. I really couldn't believe he'd even -consider- that could be true. I have any number of unappealing character flaws, but trying to control or manipulate my loved ones is not typically one of them. Not that it's not tempting to try to influence people to do what you think they should, of course, but I actually make a conscious effort NOT to, commonly even going so far as to preface asked-for advice with, "Well, you know for my own reasons I'd prefer you did X, so take my opinion with a grain of salt." So, yeah, that was really galling.
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Good for you!! I think the fact that you were motivated enough to research your old counselor and then make an appointment with a new one, despite the daunting prospect of having to establish rapport and context with a new therapist, says a lot about how important this is to your future psychological well-being.
I don't mind the prospect of establishing rapport near as much as the prospect of establishing context! Gawd. I mean, the story starts in the 1940s and makes a stop in 1974 before actually coming to a head! I never even quite know where to start! But I guess all the really interesting stories are that way.
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They finally let me off the hook. I do not have to report at all. So basically I put my life on hold for two weeks while waiting for something that never happened. Oh, well.
Oh, well! I wonder if that at least means you won't get called again soon?
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Hmm, interesting about Jane. Maybe she just wants to be closer to you in the final days before she leaves the nest?
Nah, I think she just likes our screened porch a lot. She sits out there and reads or uses her computer. If she wanted to be close to me she'd just ask her dad to sleep in the spare room so she could have a slumber party with mom.
[quote] I've had a rough couple of days (as you probably inferred from my absence here). On Tuesday I had a complete and utter meltdown involving a major binge, precipitated by a combination of a conversation I had with John, which was then immediately followed by a visit to my gynecologist at which she raised certain, ahem, physical "challenges" I might have if I decided to, ahem, take my love life any further. It upset me to the point that I was in a blind panic and desperate to return to the protection of being fat. [quote] Because of the thought of having a love life, you mean?
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But I pulled myself out of it once again. I must say, it really ticks me off sometimes that I can't lose myself in food anymore. It just doesn't WORK!!!
I don't know whether to give you a wry smile or a sympathetic pat on the shoulder. Good for you for pulling yourself out of it! How did you do that?
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I haven't weighed myself since and won't for at least a couple more days. (I ate several thousand excess calories, so I know the scale would not be kind, and I just can't deal with that right now.) I've had two low calorie days since, with my eating very structured (I even wrote down my plan, which I hadn't done in a long time), so I'm feeling in control again.
It always amazes me how going back to the basics really does help. Whenever I hear someone who is struggling to lose or to maintain say they don't need to write things down, my heart sinks for them.
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I've also been crazy busy. Today, for instance, I worked at school for 10 hours, then went straight to a 4-hour meeting at church. I didn't get home until 10:30, then started writing this post (which has taken me an hour, I see). Oddly, it was a pretty good day, nevertheless.
Definitely odd, since my idea of **** is a 4-hour meeting that starts after a full day's work!
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I'm starting to feel excited about the new school year, despite a workload (at least for the fall semester) that may be pretty overwhelming.
Remind me again what the final outcome was on your workload this term?
I've been a bit MIA too, and I'm trying to even remember why! I think I lost a post somewhere in there, because I know I did at least one updated post while you were out. This week has felt weird...I can never seem to remember what day it is. I'm sure there's something going on in my pointy little head that revolves around the upcoming emptying of my nest that is at the root of it. In one week and ~6 hours we will be moving Jane into her dorm. She asked me today if I thought her dad would take a day off next week so we could all hang out. I told her I thought he could be talked into that.
Didn't weigh, and here I sit with my coffee. I have GOT to get back into the routine of weighing daily. I forget more often than I remember, and I really don't want to get to the point where I'm not weighing. I think frequent weighing is crucial for me, and if I don't have it as a -daily- habit I'm afraid I'll just go longer and longer between weighs. You know what? Who cares that I've already eaten or had something to drink? Does it really matter? I'm maintaining, not trying to gauge whether I've lost. All I need to know is if I'm still in the ball park. I'm going to start weighing as soon as I remember, whether or not I've started drinking coffee. That at least should make the habit daily again.