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hockeymom22
07-10-2012, 07:22 PM
I have searched the forum and I can not seem to find the answer. Can a 0/0/0 item have a small amount of calories and still be allowed OP? Thanks in advance and sorry if it is already mentioned somewhere


Kaypix
07-10-2012, 08:52 PM
part of the 0 is for calories, so technically no, 0cal/0fat/0carb is what I thougth it had to be.

Barb2012
07-10-2012, 09:05 PM
My doctor said to be careful with the Walden Farms products and I Can't Believe it's not Butter spray. Because although they are calorie free for small amounts, if you use a lot of them it will begin to add up to calories.


usmcvet
07-10-2012, 09:16 PM
I still chew Trident but only on piece at a time it says less than 1 Carb so that caught my eye.

Kaypix
07-10-2012, 09:20 PM
I use walden farms very sparingly, butter not so much lol

LizRR
07-10-2012, 09:33 PM
On the Phase 1 sheet 0/0/0 is referred to: "Anything not on this sheet must be zero Carb, zero Fat, and zero Sugar".

This is why 2 egg whites and chicken broth are allowed as 'free', as they have low calories, but more importantly no carbs, fat, or sugar. Its all protein.

And WF and Splenda do have calories and carbs, just not enough to be labeled by the FDA. This is one reason why coaches advise you to limit them. Example: 1 splenda packet has ~4 calories and ~.9g carbs.

evepet
07-10-2012, 11:35 PM
part of the 0 is for calories, so technically no, 0cal/0fat/0carb is what I thougth it had to be.

It's 0 carbs/0 fat/0 sugar. I just checked my Phase 1 sheet - it's included there at the very bottom.

explore
07-11-2012, 08:40 AM
I still chew Trident but only on piece at a time it says less than 1 Carb so that caught my eye.

I have to be careful of the gum. I have been chewing way too much, especially when I am shoving 3 pieces of gum in my mouth at one time. Those trident pieces are small! The gum does save me on my weekly/nightly family outings to the ice cream shop, but I can easily chew 10-12 pieces in one day :dizzy:-- yikes, thats 10-12 g. carbs. I have to stop.

usmcvet
07-11-2012, 10:23 AM
I have to be careful of the gum. I have been chewing way too much, especially when I am shoving 3 pieces of gum in my mouth at one time. Those trident pieces are small! The gum does save me on my weekly/nightly family outings to the ice cream shop, but I can easily chew 10-12 pieces in one day :dizzy:-- yikes, thats 10-12 g. carbs. I have to stop.

Yeah I used to chew two or three pieces at a time now it is one. I chew one piece form hours so it works for me.

shathom
07-11-2012, 11:19 AM
On the Phase 1 sheet 0/0/0 is referred to: "Anything not on this sheet must be zero Carb, zero Fat, and zero Sugar".

This is why 2 egg whites and chicken broth are allowed as 'free', as they have low calories, but more importantly no carbs, fat, or sugar. Its all protein.

And WF and Splenda do have calories and carbs, just not enough to be labeled by the FDA. This is one reason why coaches advise you to limit them. Example: 1 splenda packet has ~4 calories and ~.9g carbs.
I've been afraid to use chicken broth, where does it say that it is "free"?

Cas77
07-11-2012, 11:30 AM
0/0/0 is not necessarily 0/0/0 according to my coach.

According to the FDA website:
N8. Should a value of 47 calories be rounded up to 50 calories or rounded down to 45 calories?

Answer: Calories must be shown as follows:
50 calories or less--Round to nearest 5-calorie increment: Example: Round 47 calories to “45 calories”
Above 50 calories--Round to nearest 10-calorie increment: Example: Round 96 calories to “100 calories”

The total fat content for a serving of my product is 0.1 g. How should I declare fat and calories from fat?

Answer: Because it is present at a level below 0.5 g, the level of fat is expressed as 0 g. Calories from fat would also be expressed as zero. 21 CFR 101.9(c)(1)(i), 21 CFR 101.9(c)(2)



http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/GuidanceDocuments/FoodLabelingNutrition/FoodLabelingGuide/ucm064894.htm

Same goes for 0 sugar

So a 0/0/0 piece of gum could potentially have 0.4g of sugar and they would round it down to zero. Chew 10 pieces in a day and you've just upped it to 4g of sugar. EVERYTHING in moderation! :)

LizRR
07-11-2012, 12:26 PM
I've been afraid to use chicken broth, where does it say that it is "free"?

It is all dependent on the coach and the product - the kind I buy has 5 calories in 8 oz all from 1g protein. This meets the "0 CARB / 0 FAT / 0 SUGAR" advisement on the Phase 1 sheet and my coach approves me to use 1 cup/day in my soups.

I am also approved to use 2 egg whites/day MAX, which contributes ~35 calories all from ~8g protein - again meeting the "0/0/0" advisement on the sheet. I use the chicken broth allotment on weekdays, and use the 2 egg whites on weightlifting days and the weekends in my packet recipes (usually crispy cereal pancakes or pudding waffles)

Again - check your labels, log your food, and clear with your individual coach.

LizRR
07-11-2012, 12:30 PM
0/0/0 is not necessarily 0/0/0 according to my coach.

According to the FDA website:
N8. Should a value of 47 calories be rounded up to 50 calories or rounded down to 45 calories?

Answer: Calories must be shown as follows:
50 calories or less--Round to nearest 5-calorie increment: Example: Round 47 calories to “45 calories”
Above 50 calories--Round to nearest 10-calorie increment: Example: Round 96 calories to “100 calories”

The total fat content for a serving of my product is 0.1 g. How should I declare fat and calories from fat?

Answer: Because it is present at a level below 0.5 g, the level of fat is expressed as 0 g. Calories from fat would also be expressed as zero. 21 CFR 101.9(c)(1)(i), 21 CFR 101.9(c)(2)



http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/GuidanceDocuments/FoodLabelingNutrition/FoodLabelingGuide/ucm064894.htm

Same goes for 0 sugar

So a 0/0/0 piece of gum could potentially have 0.4g of sugar and they would round it down to zero. Chew 10 pieces in a day and you've just upped it to 4g of sugar. EVERYTHING in moderation! :)

0/0/0 is not necessarily 0/0/0 according to my coach. - This is exactly what my coach says. I was advised to keep all the extras at 6 or less/day and just assume every freebie is adding 0.9999999g carbs and 4.9999999 calories per serving. She trusts no one - says that the products do everything they can to squeeze just under FDA guidelines.

hockeymom22
07-11-2012, 01:25 PM
Thanks everyone, I found a salad dressing that is 0/0/0, however, has 20 calories per tbsp. I am trying to stay 100% on plan, but I hate WF dressings

shathom
07-11-2012, 01:31 PM
It is all dependent on the coach and the product - the kind I buy has 5 calories in 8 oz all from 1g protein. This meets the "0 CARB / 0 FAT / 0 SUGAR" advisement on the Phase 1 sheet and my coach approves me to use 1 cup/day in my soups.

I am also approved to use 2 egg whites/day MAX, which contributes ~35 calories all from ~8g protein - again meeting the "0/0/0" advisement on the sheet. I use the chicken broth allotment on weekdays, and use the 2 egg whites on weightlifting days and the weekends in my packet recipes (usually crispy cereal pancakes or pudding waffles)

Again - check your labels, log your food, and clear with your individual coach.
LizRR, Thanks for the info, I weigh in tomorrow and will ask my coach. I've been dying to make soups or even use broth to simmer protein in. :hun:

Cas77
07-11-2012, 02:43 PM
Thanks everyone, I found a salad dressing that is 0/0/0, however, has 20 calories per tbsp. I am trying to stay 100% on plan, but I hate WF dressings

1 tbsp of olive oil has 40 cals...and I think most of us have dressed our salads with it a few times. I wouldn't worry one bit (again in moderation)

explore
07-11-2012, 03:08 PM
0/0/0 is not necessarily 0/0/0 according to my coach.

According to the FDA website:
N8. Should a value of 47 calories be rounded up to 50 calories or rounded down to 45 calories?

Answer: Calories must be shown as follows:
50 calories or less--Round to nearest 5-calorie increment: Example: Round 47 calories to “45 calories”
Above 50 calories--Round to nearest 10-calorie increment: Example: Round 96 calories to “100 calories”

The total fat content for a serving of my product is 0.1 g. How should I declare fat and calories from fat?

Answer: Because it is present at a level below 0.5 g, the level of fat is expressed as 0 g. Calories from fat would also be expressed as zero. 21 CFR 101.9(c)(1)(i), 21 CFR 101.9(c)(2)



http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/GuidanceDocuments/FoodLabelingNutrition/FoodLabelingGuide/ucm064894.htm

Same goes for 0 sugar

So a 0/0/0 piece of gum could potentially have 0.4g of sugar and they would round it down to zero. Chew 10 pieces in a day and you've just upped it to 4g of sugar. EVERYTHING in moderation! :)

That is so interesting!!! So a 10 piece of sugar free gum day can add 10 grams. I will be limiting my gum to 1-2 pieces. Thanks for this info!

mammoth357
07-11-2012, 03:26 PM
1 tbsp of olive oil has 40 cals...and I think most of us have dressed our salads with it a few times. I wouldn't worry one bit (again in moderation)

I think you meant TSP and not TBSP...haha, I do that all the time!
Jake

Mom2Carter
07-11-2012, 04:40 PM
On the Phase 1 sheet 0/0/0 is referred to: "Anything not on this sheet must be zero Carb, zero Fat, and zero Sugar".

This is why 2 egg whites and chicken broth are allowed as 'free', as they have low calories, but more importantly no carbs, fat, or sugar. Its all protein.

And WF and Splenda do have calories and carbs, just not enough to be labeled by the FDA. This is one reason why coaches advise you to limit them. Example: 1 splenda packet has ~4 calories and ~.9g carbs.


I just read this as I am eating 2 cups of rhubarb for lunch with about 9 Splenda packets and it's still super tart. I guess I should stick to mixing it with the pudding!

New Englander
07-11-2012, 05:00 PM
My doctor said to be careful with the Walden Farms products and I Can't Believe it's not Butter spray. Because although they are calorie free for small amounts, if you use a lot of them it will begin to add up to calories.
Right! You have to use the actual serving size. Any amount over the serving size will provide unwanted carbs etc... including 0/0/0 items.

Hockeymom40
07-11-2012, 05:23 PM
I just read this as I am eating 2 cups of rhubarb for lunch with about 9 Splenda packets and it's still super tart. I guess I should stick to mixing it with the pudding!

Rhubarb is great mixed in he raspberry jelly too. I use one splenda packet :)

mammoth357
07-11-2012, 05:29 PM
How about cook the rhubarb a bit and have it warm and add in a 0/0/0 serving of walden farms strawberry spread? I have never had the wf spread so if this tastes good someone let me know...strawberry rhubarb pie is awesome and to just get any taste that would be remotely similar would be great!
Cheers
Jake

Chloe222
07-11-2012, 05:37 PM
I have to be careful of the gum. I have been chewing way too much, especially when I am shoving 3 pieces of gum in my mouth at one time. Those trident pieces are small! The gum does save me on my weekly/nightly family outings to the ice cream shop, but I can easily chew 10-12 pieces in one day :dizzy:-- yikes, thats 10-12 g. carbs. I have to stop.
Perhaps try drinking more water - the Mio flavored water maybe?

It is all dependent on the coach and the product - the kind I buy has 5 calories in 8 oz all from 1g protein. This meets the "0 CARB / 0 FAT / 0 SUGAR" advisement on the Phase 1 sheet and my coach approves me to use 1 cup/day in my soups.

I am also approved to use 2 egg whites/day MAX, which contributes ~35 calories all from ~8g protein - again meeting the "0/0/0" advisement on the sheet. I use the chicken broth allotment on weekdays, and use the 2 egg whites on weightlifting days and the weekends in my packet recipes (usually crispy cereal pancakes or pudding waffles)

Again - check your labels, log your food, and clear with your individual coach.
Liz, You would be a stellar coach! And it seems clinics let their coaches be part time, how fun and inspirational would that be?

I just read this as I am eating 2 cups of rhubarb for lunch with about 9 Splenda packets and it's still super tart. I guess I should stick to mixing it with the pudding!
Try using Sweet Leaf liquid stevia - truly 0 carbs. I buy it online - check around.

How about cook the rhubarb a bit and have it warm and add in a 0/0/0 serving of walden farms strawberry spread? I have never had the wf spread so if this tastes good someone let me know...strawberry rhubarb pie is awesome and to just get any taste that would be remotely similar would be great!
Cheers
Jake
I use strawberry syrup with my rhubarb and it's pretty tasty.