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Old 03-31-2006, 09:37 PM   #1  
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Question HELP! Just started WW yesterday!

I've been trying to lose weight on my own for 38 days and finally broke down yesterday and joined WW. I work out 5x a week at Curves (doing 2 circles instead of 3) and, from what I can tell, I have been eating within or close to within my points (including water, fruits & veggies) the whole dang 38 days. I haven't lost one single pound! When they weighed me at WW I was the same weight I was a month ago (when I was going at it alone).

Do you think joining will really make a difference? Today is day 2 on WW and I'm doing alright with my food intake.

My thyroid was checked last year and I don't have a problem. I have lost weight before using the South Beach Diet, so I know I'm capable. I only gained it back because I stopped living the SB lifestyle.

I don't know why I'm not losing any weight. Any ideas or pointers you wish to share would be greatly appreciated!

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have another test it can change from year to year
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Liz, I'd give WW a chance for the next two to three weeks. I'd journal, drink my water and maybe try to vary the exercise a bit. As far as I know body sculpting (sp??) workouts like those at Curves are not as good at fat burning as plain old walking, cleaning house, doing yard work, etc. I wouldn't give up Curves at all, but do put it in perspective in terms of it helping you with your weight loss. I do a body sculpting work out tape and have been thinking about joining Curves as well, but am not sure I'm willing to physically leave my house and drive some place to work out, but it might inspire me to do a better job and stick with it if I have to PAY for membership. Right now, though, I am fairly motivated to work out at home. But, keep in mind that you ought to vary your exercise in order to have maximum benefit.
They say muscle weighs more than fat, so even if you are toning up and looking better, sometimes it's hard to chisel off the pounds with the kind of exercise you are doing. You might be feeling great and looking better, though, so it is very worthwhile, no matter what!
If you give WW a real try and stay on their program and do it right for a few weeks and still the scale won't move, then I would go back to my doctor and see if there are some changes and modifications to the diet you should make. Talk with your ww leader, let them see your journal after a meeting. Perhaps you are having too many high sodium foods and it's making you retain fluid? Try asparugus the night before weigh in! Also, what time of day are you weighing in? Have you eaten right before that?
I agree with Andrea that maybe being re-tested again for thyroid is a good idea.
Sometimes, though, even if you think you were eating within your points range, you really were not. Portion size, for me, is a huge (get it?) issue and when I weigh and measure food, I find out how "off" I can be. When I get back to basics and start real portion control and curtain eating out for a bit of time, I do better.
There seems to be an exact formula that works and spells success for each of us. Don't give up and you shall find it.
Also, when I have had the most success with WW is when I made the Garden Vegetable soup in the week 1 booklet. I make 4X the recipe and freeze it in small portions. If I am hungry in between meals, I have that. If I want something extra as I feel like my lunches are just too small, I add that too.
I should actually make it! I wish they sold it pre-made as I sometimes just don't have the time to prepare it.
Good luck, let us know how you are doing!
Linda (c'mon over to the other thread Supporting Each Other on our Weight Loss journey if you'd like, we have a good group and love newcomers!)
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Thank you both so much for your input and advice! I'm not giving up yet!

I've been doing a lot of reading and there is something else that may be causing my problem. The dermatologist put me on antibiotics for my face almost a year ago and I'm still taking them. Apparently that can really whack out your system. I have made an appt. with him, but it isn't until 4/12. Stopping those pills might do the trick, as extended use can confuse your system.

Also, Linda, you are definitely right about portions. I do believe my portions were too big, even though I had made them smaller than what I was used to eating. Cheese was also a big part of most of my meals (even on salads), so that will be limited now also.

I'm going to have a blood test in a couple of weeks and that will tell me more as well. Until then, I intend to continue working out and sticking with the WW plan. I just hope I lose something so I won't be embarrassed at the next meeting. Tursday at noon! I'll definitely have asparagus for dinner the night before! Good trick!

Thanks again!
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Hey Liz,
You know what is good to try too, I just found out about here in another forum. Hot water and lemon is suppose to help shed some of the water retention and clean out toxins. I only have drank it twice so far. But I am on weight watchers and have been now for 11 weeks, I have a weight loss of 23.6 in these 11 weeks. I started weight watchers last year at 281, then became pregnant so I was kicked out, lol.. But this year after baby was born got right back on track and rejoined ww at 264.4 so I kept off some of those pounds even with pregnancy. NOw you said that the dermatologist has you on those antibiotics, are they helping your skin?? I know when I went to mine too they had us on antibiotics, but I did not take them that long at all.. they lose their effectiveness once you are on them for a while, then if you get sick n need them you are going to have to take a high dose and sometimes they will not work. So you should see about stopping them right away and take something more natural. Maybe your should take probiotics for a while. Talk to someone at your local vitamin shop or the vitamin section at a whole foods market and they could probably help you. Keep it up and the pounds will come off!! message me anytime! Michelle
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Thank you, Michelle! Boy, you are doing GREAT with your weight loss!! Congratulations!

As for me, I don't know why they have kept me on these pills for so long. I used to take 4 per day, now I take 2. I did try to stop taking them once, but after a week my face started breaking out. As I have to wait so long to see the doctor, I think I'm going to go down to 1 pill on my own and see what happens. It's really frustrating!

I haven't tried the warm water and lemon before, but that might be a nice drink to have before bed, especially on the colder nights here in Alaska. I'll give it a try!

Thanks again!
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I know how you feel. But I decided to give WW a chance and after being on program for a month I've lost 10 lbs. on it so I would say giving it a chance for a few weeks can't hurt. But as others said you might want to have your thyroid checked again or also you may just be gaining muscle right now. Do you tape measure yourself? That is a good indicator whether you are gaining muscle and losing fat.
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Do you think joining will really make a difference? Today is day 2 on WW and I'm doing alright with my food intake.
First all you've only been on W/W for 2 days. Stay off the scale between official weighins. And here is why:

Why The Scale Lies by Renee Cloe, ACE Certified Personal Trainer

Weíve been told over an over again that daily weighing is unnecessary, yet many of us canít resist peeking at that number every morning. If you just canít bring yourself to toss the scale in the trash, you should definitely familiarize yourself with the factors that influence itís readings. From water retention to glycogen storage and changes in lean body mass, daily weight fluctuations are normal. They are not indicators of your success or failure. Once you understand how these mechanisms work, you can free yourself from the daily battle with the bathroom scale.

Water makes up about 60% of total body mass. Normal fluctuations in the bodyís water content can send scale-watchers into a tailspin if they donít understand whatís happening. Two factors influencing water retention are water consumption and salt intake. Strange as it sounds, the less water you drink, the more of it your body retains. If you are even slightly dehydrated your body will hang onto itís water supplies with a vengeance, possibly causing the number on the scale to inch upward. The solution is to drink plenty of water.

Excess salt (sodium) can also play a big role in water retention. A single teaspoon of salt contains over 2,000 mg of sodium. Generally, we should only eat between 1,000 and 3,000 mg of sodium a day, so itís easy to go overboard. Sodium is a sneaky substance. You would expect it to be most highly concentrated in salty chips, nuts, and crackers. However, a food doesnít have to taste salty to be loaded with sodium. A half cup of instant pudding actually contains nearly four times as much sodium as an ounce of salted nuts, 460 mg in the pudding versus 123 mg in the nuts. The more highly processed a food is, the more likely it is to have a high sodium content. Thatís why, when it comes to eating, itís wise to stick mainly to the basics: fruits, vegetables, lean meat, beans, and whole grains. Be sure to read the labels on canned foods, boxed mixes, and frozen dinners.

Women may also retain several pounds of water prior to menstruation. This is very common and the weight will likely disappear as quickly as it arrives. Pre-menstrual water-weight gain can be minimized by drinking plenty of water, maintaining an exercise program, and keeping high-sodium processed foods to a minimum.

Another factor that can influence the scale is glycogen. Think of glycogen as a fuel tank full of stored carbohydrate. Some glycogen is stored in the liver and some is stored the muscles themselves. This energy reserve weighs more than a pound and itís packaged with 3-4 pounds of water when itís stored. Your glycogen supply will shrink during the day if you fail to take in enough carbohydrates. As the glycogen supply shrinks you will experience a small imperceptible increase in appetite and your body will restore this fuel reserve along with itís associated water. Itís normal to experience glycogen and water weight shifts of up to 2 pounds per day even with no changes in your calorie intake or activity level. These fluctuations have nothing to do with fat loss, although they can make for some unnecessarily dramatic weigh-ins if youíre prone to obsessing over the number on the scale.

Otherwise rational people also tend to forget about the actual weight of the food they eat. For this reason, itís wise to weigh yourself first thing in the morning before youíve had anything to eat or drink. Swallowing a bunch of food before you step on the scale is no different than putting a bunch of rocks in your pocket. The 5 pounds that you gain right after a huge dinner is not fat. Itís the actual weight of everything youíve had to eat and drink. The added weight of the meal will be gone several hours later when youíve finished digesting it.

Exercise physiologists tell us that in order to store one pound of fat, you need to eat 3,500 calories more than your body is able to burn. In other words, to actually store the above dinner as 5 pounds of fat, it would have to contain a whopping 17,500 calories. This is not likely, in fact itís not humanly possible. So when the scale goes up 3 or 4 pounds overnight, rest easy, itís likely to be water, glycogen, and the weight of your dinner. Keep in mind that the 3,500 calorie rule works in reverse also. In order to lose one pound of fat you need to burn 3,500 calories more than you take in. Generally, itís only possible to lose 1-2 pounds of fat per week. When you follow a very low calorie diet that causes your weight to drop 10 pounds in 7 days, itís physically impossible for all of that to be fat. What youíre really losing is water, glycogen, and muscle.

This brings us to the scaleís sneakiest attribute. It doesnít just weigh fat. It weighs muscle, bone, water, internal organs and all. When you lose "weight," that doesnít necessarily mean that youíve lost fat. In fact, the scale has no way of telling you what youíve lost (or gained). Losing muscle is nothing to celebrate. Muscle is a metabolically active tissue. The more muscle you have the more calories your body burns, even when youíre just sitting around. Thatís one reason why a fit, active person is able to eat considerably more food than the dieter who is unwittingly destroying muscle tissue.

Robin Landis, author of "Body Fueling," compares fat and muscles to feathers and gold. One pound of fat is like a big fluffy, lumpy bunch of feathers, and one pound of muscle is small and valuable like a piece of gold. Obviously, you want to lose the dumpy, bulky feathers and keep the sleek beautiful gold. The problem with the scale is that it doesnít differentiate between the two. It canít tell you how much of your total body weight is lean tissue and how much is fat. There are several other measuring techniques that can accomplish this, although they vary in convenience, accuracy, and cost. Skin-fold calipers pinch and measure fat folds at various locations on the body, hydrostatic (or underwater) weighing involves exhaling all of the air from your lungs before being lowered into a tank of water, and bioelectrical impedance measures the degree to which your body fat impedes a mild electrical current.

If the thought of being pinched, dunked, or gently zapped just doesnít appeal to you, donít worry. The best measurement tool of all turns out to be your very own eyes. How do you look? How do you feel? How do your clothes fit? Are your rings looser? Do your muscles feel firmer? These are the true measurements of success. If you are exercising and eating right, donít be discouraged by a small gain on the scale. Fluctuations are perfectly normal. Expect them to happen and take them in stride. Itís a matter of mind over scale.

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I've been trying to lose weight on my own for 38 days and finally broke down yesterday and joined WW. I work out 5x a week at Curves (doing 2 circles instead of 3) and, from what I can tell, I have been eating within or close to within my points (including water, fruits & veggies) the whole dang 38 days.
You can't be close or within your points if I understand what you are saying. Your Daily Points aka Target Point are your bare minimum and except on an occasiaonlly basis you need to eat each and every one of those. If you are active then you need to eat some if not all of your Activity Points. And the majority of us lose better or at least more consistent when we eat most if not all of our Weekly Points Allowance aka Flex Points.

Finally I am going to post 2 things one is about analyzing what you are doing and the other is on the 8 Great Health Guidelines --- see if you truly are dong the program 100%:

1) Where in your points are you eating? Most people find they lose better when eating above their TPs by using APs and FPs to give a higher or moderate day. Especially if you are exercising you need to eat toward the high end and not the low end. The reason is because your body thinks it is starving and slows down your metabolism and holds on to the calories you intake.

2) What are you spending your points on? Review POINTS PIES Also make sure you get in some REAL fat (preferably in healthy fats but also butter, margarine, mayo, real salad dressing, etc). I had subconsciously removed almost all fat from my diet and had plateaued for SIX (count them 6) months. Make sure you get in some fat.

3) Are you drinking your water?

4) Are you eating alot of processed foods (canned, frozen, etc.) which contain alot of sodium which causes water retention. What about diet sodas? They can cause bloating and water rentention.

5) Are you exercising? Have you taken your measurements to see if you are building muscle while losing? Remember muscle weighs 2.2 times more than fat for the same amount of space (that does not mean muscle weighs more than fat pound for pound but volume for volume it will be heavier) however remember it takes many months to build muscle. If you just started exercise or have made a major change to your routine you can be retaining water. If you are exercising remember to eat high in your point range.

6) Are you journaling? This includes every BLT (bite, lick and taste). Those BLTs can add up in 'hidden' points.

7) Are you calculating points correctly? Ninety percent of new members don't count points correctly. I have a favorite muffin and until last week (I've been on program for almost 2 years) I just realized my 3 point muffin is really 6 points because it is 2 servings. Make sure you use the nutritional information rather than the 'generic' list W/W puts out. You'll find alot of differences.

Once you have analyzed these things then you need to start playing with the program to adapt it to you and your body. Like reducing the carbs and increasing the protien and stuff like that.


For onlines here is how to get to them:

You may visit the Web site and read 8 Great Health Guidelines. After you log in, it can be found in the Select a Resource dropdown menu located in the Shortcuts toolbar on the left hand side of the page. Click on Weight Loss Topics of the Week in the My Plan section of the dropdown menu. On the next page you will see the View Topics Archive link in the box on the upper right side of the page. Click the link to be brought to the topics archive. 8 Great Health Guidelines is the first first link on the archive list.

For e-tools and meeting people it is page 34 in your Week 1 booklet.

1) Eat at least 5 servings of fruits and veggies a day (in general 1 serving is 1/2 a cup except for 100% juices where it is 3/4 cup or leafy veggies where it is 1 cup).

2) Choose whole-grain foods such as brown rice, oats whenever possible.

3) Include 2 servings of milk products (which in addition to 1 cup of milk is: 16 fl oz unsweetened cappuccino, 2 cups cottage cheese, 1 1/2 oz hard (think parmeasan) or semi-soft (think American) cheese, 1/2 cup ricotta cheese, 1 packet reduced calorie dairy shake, 12 fl oz unsweetened latte, 12 fl oz fast food milk shake, 1 cup fat-free sugar-free made with skim milk pudding, 1 cup yogurt or 1 serving W/W smoothie)...3 servings if you are a teen or over 50.

4) 2 tsp healthy oils (such as canola, olive, sunflower, safflower or flaxseed)

5) Ensure you get enough protein

6) Limit sugar and alcohol

7) Drink at least 6 glasses of water (8 ounce glasses and 1/2 of those can be decaff, no alcohol beverages such as juice or milk)

8) Take a multi-vitamin daily
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My advice is to weigh and measure your food. You said "from what I can tell" and that tells me that you may be guesstimating your portion sizes. That's fine, but it might slow down your loss.

Good luck!
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Gosh, thanks to all of you for your advice!

Yesterday was a bad day because I was trying to cut out my daily mocha, but I finally broke down and found a way to work it into my diet so that I wouldn't end up losing my family as well as weight! To say I was a bear to be around would be an understatement.

Kels - I really appreciate the time you put into your reply! I am doing so many things right (6-8 glasses of water a day, all of my fruits and veggies, milks, etc.) It's hard to eat within my 22 points and still fulfill those requirements, but I know I need to to stay healthy. I can see that I definitely had a problem with portions. I am now measuring anything I'm unsure of and erring on the side of caution if I'm still unsure. My husband and I have tried several of the WW recipes over the past 3 days and I'm amazed at how big some of the portions are. When we made tuna patties I figured they would be tiny and wouldn't fill me up. Boy was I wrong! Those were awesome and only 3pts.

As I'm on week 1, they haven't given me any exercise points or anything yet. I'm eating as close to my 22 points as I can, though. So far my 3 days have gone as follows - 23.5pts, 22pts, 21.5pts.

As far as weighing myself, we don't own a scale. haven't had one for 15 years! If I have one in the house I obsess about it, so I won't even have one any more.

I'm a little worried about my weigh-in on Thursday because it'll be "the wrong time of the month" and I know I'll be bloated. Ugh! Oh well, whatever happens, happens.

Thanks again!
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Wow Kelly!! That was a very indepth response!! so much info there! Thank you!!

Now Liz, You are doing good with your points you just have to make sure that you eat ALL of your Points everyday! I learned that the hard way by thinking that I would lose more by not eating all of them but that is wrong.The amount of points is how much food you need to eat in order to lose, if you eat less then your body will store the fat instead of burning it. Which you may know this already. And as for the time of the month, to tell you the truth that is actually when the scale suprises me and I usually have the most weight loss!! They said that at the meeting too, the people that weigh you in, that you will be suprised that although you feel bloated a lot of people actually have more weight loss at that time. So dont stress it and worry about the weight loss just take it one day at a time!! The stress may cause you to not lose. There are quite a few ww recipes that are good the stuffed peppers are really good!! There is a good site that you can check out and she has point values for almost everything out there. it is dotties weight loss zone. www.dwlz.com Check that out too! Have to go crying baby ttys! Michelle
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You all are just awesome! I don't think I would have made it through these first 4 days without you! Today I am feeling full and not really hungry at all. I don't know if that's a normal occurrence, but it's definitely not normal for me! I'm actually having to MAKE myself eat my points today (except for my latte, of course).

I really appreciate all of the help and support!
Thank you!
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no problem Liz!! That is what we are here for!! Any questions at all feel free to send me a personal message!! I dont have a buddy at the moment, did have one but then she never posted, so if you would like to be my buddy that would be great! we can chat a bit everyday, let me know!! Maybe we can set a time that we would both be online and message each other. I have yahoo messenger which is free, so if you want to let me know! If not that is ok too! Have a good night!! Michelle
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That sounds like a good idea, Michelle!

I don't bother with IM any more because my time at the computer is sporatic at best and there's just never enough time to sit and have an IM conversation. I'll send you a personal message with my e-mail addy and maybe we can check in with each other that way. I think it would help me to have someone to "talk to" about all of this. My family is already getting sick of my points-talk.

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