What I liked about this movie was its effect on people I knew who hadn't thought too much about their diet. Most of us here are trying to eat healthy, so we think about the implications of fast food. But a lot of people don't. The movie helped people I know rethink their eating habits.
EXACTLY!! That's exactly what I think the value of this is. There are certain perceptions in the public that I think counteract a lot of the health advice they also see. This movie's "shock value" may make some make healthier choices and for that reason I don't see it as a total waste. Someone asked if I thought we should all sue; no I most certainly do not and have never suggested it. I completely agree with people taking personal responsbility for their actions and their weight. My point was many Americans do eat like "crap" whether fast food or not and this movie showed, in an accelerated way, what happens to your body when that is the fuel it gets.
i think you are a little confused on the point of the film and also what he was attempting to accomplish by eating mc donalds. if you pay attention in the beginning of the movie he explains why he chooses to eat it for breakfast luch and dinner.
it was because, according to the courts, in the case of the people who were suing mcdonalds (which also explains why he chose mcdonalds to begin with) that mc donalds could be held liable in thier case if it could be proven that eating thier foods for 3 meals a day on a daily basis could be shown to be harmful. which it obviously was shown to be quite harmful.
the experiment that he was doing was not to resist mcdonalds, but to eat it consistently, and to biggie size only if he was asked to. i think the point that he was making is that if the food was healthy you could eat it three meals a day every day and suffer no consequences. and that if it causes a person such bad health effects in just one short month, think what it does to your body over a lifetime.
you seem pretty perturbed over his seeming lack of good "Choices" by eating the "unhealthy" items on the menu. but in reality, as part of his experiment he required himself to eat everything on the menu at least once. therefore, he HAD to eat all of the items, even the really bad ones. so he did make choices from the menu, but he also had to adhere to the rules of the experiment. besides, i find it doubtful that there are enough low fat and low calorie items on the menu that one could realistically eat "healthy" at mc donalds for every meal anyways.
furthermore, many of those low fat items only came about after the litigation. before the law suit, they didn`t give out pedometers with thier "adult" happy meals, or have nearly as many salads. also, i think you are missing a point here too: there ARE people out there who DO eat fast food 3 meals a day. and yes, i fully agree that life is about choices, and that your food is no different. but the movie did have merit and there was definitely a point to it other than trashing mcdonalds.
also, you need to consider that these companies are peddling that crap at schools to our children, and look at what its doing to them: they are overweight, they have vitamin deficiencies, and diabetes is rising. i dunno if you have ever seen anyone who has just had thier leg amputated above the knee from poorly controlled diabetes, but i have, and i wouldn`t wish that on anyone.
and, i don`t understand why you are defending mc donalds so much when it is apparent even before the movie came out that the food served there is by and large BAD for you. even thier fruit parfaits are loaded with huge amounts of calories and sugars. and yes, there are other chains that serve food that is equally as dispicable, however, mc donalds is the largest, best known, at the time was embroiled in publicity over a law suit, and for his sake in purely practical terms, the most abundant in manhattan where he lived.
furthermore, the movie didn`t miscontstrue fact. for instance, he was fully evaluated before he began the experiment and found to be a completely healthy person. at the end, he was tired all the time, depressed, overweight, his liver was having significant issues as were other organs. i think we can all agree that anything that makes us feel that crappy is probably something we should avoid.
also, another important point of the film was to point out how little education is available by the establishment in regards to what exactly is IN the food. in the film, he visits every mc donalds in manhattan ( i think there were close to 100 stores) and only a handful had a wall chart displaying nutrition info and even less had a take home pamphlet. if the food was good for you, wouldn`t a company prefer to use that as a selling point? instead, mcdonalds sweeps it under the mat. does it give you the feeling that they don`t WANT you to know?? it does to me.
i think considering that we are all here because we have had one too many big macs ourselves in our lifetimes (i can feel the flame already) that arguing that mcdonalds is a healthy choice for a meal is pretty ludicrous. i know, everything in moderation yada yada yada. but obviously, we and millions of others in america don`t abide by that concept, judging by the fact that americans on average are far too fat for thier own good. personally, i think it was a huge and much needed wake up call. i am glad he chose to put himself through all of that to show the american public just what eating those foods does to your body. and if mcdonalds feels slighted in the process, well, maybe they better get busy searching for thier jared...after 50 some years there should be SOMEONE out there who has lost weight eating at mc donalds, right??
Well if you live on Hershey bars and nothing else you won't be very healthy either. So does that mean we should sue Hershey company for making them? You could say that about just about anything! I don't think there are really that many people who are stupid enough not to know that eating fast food 3 meals a day every day is not good for them. If they are, the problem is their own laziness and personal responsibility; not suing the fast food places. I don't eat at McDonald's because I think the food is crap; but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have the right to sell it. Of course we should avoid it; but do we really want to live in a communistic society where we are FORCED to avoid it and to eat only what we are told? I don't and certainly not by the government!
Who do you mean by "the establishment" in terms of education? Who is supposed to teach everybody that junk food every day is unhealthy? What ever happened to expecting people to use a bit of common sense? Who exactly is supposed to spend their zillions of dollars to "educate" people. You can't educate people who don't want to be educated. If the American public is really that stupid not to KNOW that eating all the time at McDo's or ANY fast food place is not good for you, this documentary is not going to change that. I doubt if many people have really stopped eating there over it.
And it is the responsibility of the SCHOOLS not to serve this crap to the kids!!! And what ever happened to the responsibility of parents to see that their kids have decent lunches?
I guess I should sue Sara Lee because of all their cheesecakes I have eaten...???
Last edited by Misti in Seattle; 04-24-2006 at 08:49 AM.
i HAVE A COMMENT TO MAKE: I am NOT an enemy of mcdonalds.
The idiot who made this movie KNEW it was going to be a quick sell. But think about this logically-who would choose to eat all their meals (breakfast, lunch and dinner?) at a fast food joint? He didn't even RESIST once , he just ate it each and EVERY time. This is not a depiction of real life. We do make choices. And even if they were rather unwise, we don't deliberately do it all the time. He deliberately did it BECAUSE he knew it would make money and he thought he could sell mcdonalds out. Sorry to the guy who directed this, but this certainly isn't my type of movie. Because the way I see it, MCDONALDS iSN'T THE ONE TO BLAME, it is ourselves who CHOOSE to eat that stuff.
Tipping my hat to ya. You took the words right out of my mouth.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, we can make just as many bad choices at home as we can in a restaurant. For that matter, we can make bad choices at the grocery store as well.
Fast food didn't make me fat and ruin my health. *I* made me fat and ruined my health.
i think you are a little confused on the point of the film and also what he was attempting to accomplish by eating mc donalds. if you pay attention in the beginning of the movie he explains why he chooses to eat it for breakfast luch and dinner.
it was because, according to the courts, in the case of the people who were suing mcdonalds (which also explains why he chose mcdonalds to begin with) that mc donalds could be held liable in thier case if it could be proven that eating thier foods for 3 meals a day on a daily basis could be shown to be harmful. which it obviously was shown to be quite harmful.
the experiment that he was doing was not to resist mcdonalds, but to eat it consistently, and to biggie size only if he was asked to. i think the point that he was making is that if the food was healthy you could eat it three meals a day every day and suffer no consequences. and that if it causes a person such bad health effects in just one short month, think what it does to your body over a lifetime.
you seem pretty perturbed over his seeming lack of good "Choices" by eating the "unhealthy" items on the menu. but in reality, as part of his experiment he required himself to eat everything on the menu at least once. therefore, he HAD to eat all of the items, even the really bad ones. so he did make choices from the menu, but he also had to adhere to the rules of the experiment. besides, i find it doubtful that there are enough low fat and low calorie items on the menu that one could realistically eat "healthy" at mc donalds for every meal anyways.
furthermore, many of those low fat items only came about after the litigation. before the law suit, they didn`t give out pedometers with thier "adult" happy meals, or have nearly as many salads. also, i think you are missing a point here too: there ARE people out there who DO eat fast food 3 meals a day. and yes, i fully agree that life is about choices, and that your food is no different. but the movie did have merit and there was definitely a point to it other than trashing mcdonalds.
also, you need to consider that these companies are peddling that crap at schools to our children, and look at what its doing to them: they are overweight, they have vitamin deficiencies, and diabetes is rising. i dunno if you have ever seen anyone who has just had thier leg amputated above the knee from poorly controlled diabetes, but i have, and i wouldn`t wish that on anyone.
and, i don`t understand why you are defending mc donalds so much when it is apparent even before the movie came out that the food served there is by and large BAD for you. even thier fruit parfaits are loaded with huge amounts of calories and sugars. and yes, there are other chains that serve food that is equally as dispicable, however, mc donalds is the largest, best known, at the time was embroiled in publicity over a law suit, and for his sake in purely practical terms, the most abundant in manhattan where he lived.
furthermore, the movie didn`t miscontstrue fact. for instance, he was fully evaluated before he began the experiment and found to be a completely healthy person. at the end, he was tired all the time, depressed, overweight, his liver was having significant issues as were other organs. i think we can all agree that anything that makes us feel that crappy is probably something we should avoid.
also, another important point of the film was to point out how little education is available by the establishment in regards to what exactly is IN the food. in the film, he visits every mc donalds in manhattan ( i think there were close to 100 stores) and only a handful had a wall chart displaying nutrition info and even less had a take home pamphlet. if the food was good for you, wouldn`t a company prefer to use that as a selling point? instead, mcdonalds sweeps it under the mat. does it give you the feeling that they don`t WANT you to know?? it does to me.
i think considering that we are all here because we have had one too many big macs ourselves in our lifetimes (i can feel the flame already) that arguing that mcdonalds is a healthy choice for a meal is pretty ludicrous. i know, everything in moderation yada yada yada. but obviously, we and millions of others in america don`t abide by that concept, judging by the fact that americans on average are far too fat for thier own good. personally, i think it was a huge and much needed wake up call. i am glad he chose to put himself through all of that to show the american public just what eating those foods does to your body. and if mcdonalds feels slighted in the process, well, maybe they better get busy searching for thier jared...after 50 some years there should be SOMEONE out there who has lost weight eating at mc donalds, right??
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Yes I made myself fat and in no way am I saying that these girls had the right to sue McDonalds because they were overweight. All I thought was so good about this was the points that meeegun said above. The food serverd in highschools is CRAP. In our High School we had vending machines everywhere. The lunches sold CAME from McDonalds, Dairy Queen, Wendy's and everyday you could go and get another deal from another place.
Remeber when McDondalds used to have their 50 cent hambuger days? Well we had a McDonalds right by the school and you would go there and their would be like 100 kids waiting for the 50 cent hambuger. After all - what else can you buy for 50 cents to eat for their lunch? They were too lazy to pack themselves a lunch and most of them didn't want to look uncool by doing so or eating a salad. I mean at that time the healthiest thing on the menu was probably a diet coke! And about this "healthy" food McDonalds servers... a salad from there can still have as much as 300 calories and 12 grams of fat before any dressing... not saying a buger isn't worse for you but I can go to subway and get a sub that has less fat then that.
YES I KNOW they MADE THAT CHOICE! So I am not slamming McDonalds in anyway. I used to work for Taco Time - for TWO YEARS! I ate there or another fast food place at least once everyday that I worked. YES I gained 30-40 pounds AFTER I stopped working there EVEN though I stopped eating all that stuff. Why? Because the job requires you to be active! BUT I would hate to see what it did to the inside of my body. I was 17/18ish at the time and I never thought twice about what I was eating. NEVER even THOUGHT about it. All I thought was I hope I don't gain weight. I wasn't chowing down on my fries going "jeez, I wonder what this is doing to the liver and my blood pressure, etc." Why didn't I think like that? BECAUSE I didn't KNOW ANY BETTER! Why didn't I know any better? Because no one ever told me. Now you might say that is common sense that a person knows that, and sure it is common sense to me now. But it wasn't a few years ago.
Do I blame Taco Time because I ate their everyday? Or New York Fries? Or KFC? No I do not blame any of them - I blame the school system and/or my parents for not making it more clear to me how unhealthy this stuff really is.
Yes this film had added shock value - but it also had some very valid pieces of information.
There must be some kind of misunderstanding going on because about half the people seem to be saying "no one forced me, I made my own choice" but I don't hear anyone saying they were being forced. The other side of the debate is simply that the movie makes it harder to rationalize to yourself that that cheeseburger isn't "so bad." That's the value in the movie for me. It makes denial over the negative health effects of that kind of food (besides weight) more real to me. I would never suggest and I don't think anyone else here would either that anyones weight problem is anyone's fault other than their own.
There must be some kind of misunderstanding going on because about half the people seem to be saying "no one forced me, I made my own choice" but I don't hear anyone saying they were being forced. The other side of the debate is simply that the movie makes it harder to rationalize to yourself that that cheeseburger isn't "so bad." That's the value in the movie for me. It makes denial over the negative health effects of that kind of food (besides weight) more real to me. I would never suggest and I don't think anyone else here would either that anyones weight problem is anyone's fault other than their own.
It is because the girls blammed it on McDonalds. That is why the point keeps coming up.
I guess I should sue Sara Lee because of all their cheesecakes I have eaten...???
This is the kind of post I don't understand. (I kind of understand what you're getting at Misti, and I totally support and agree with personal responsibility. I think the people who sued over their weight represent the ultimate in spoiled brat nothing is my fault mentality. I just haven't heard anyone here on 3fc support that kind of attitude.) I have heard no one in this thread suggest sueing Mcdonalds or any other establishment. I haven't heard anyone not wanting to take responsibility for their weight. For the one's that liked the movie it was just a wake up call as to how bad that food is. Yes, you can eat poorly at home. But I'd have to work to make a 1200 calorie burger or an 800 calorie milkshake. When I started this journey it was a rude awakening for me how many calories were in some of the things I was eating, and that was assuming I was eating a portion! There are enough calories in that food for a day in one meal. That's something that those of us newer to weight loss need to know.
Last edited by happydaisy; 04-24-2006 at 12:25 PM.
I have heard no one in this thread suggest sueing Mcdonalds or any other establishment.
But people ARE suing fast food chains and making mega bucks for not taking personal responsibility for their own actions.
And I think my quote was taken out of context of my entire message... MY point was that I think it is WRONG for anyone to pick out one business and intentionally set out to do something that is designed to damage their business.
And actually there ARE other mentions of suing over such in this thread... including -- but not limited to -- your comments. There were such comments in several messages; perhaps you need to reread the thread.
personally, i do believe it is a schools job to educate our children about good eating habits, just like we expect our school to educate our children about sex, physical education, art, music or any other subject that is pertinent to thier success in the future. but, nutrition education is sort of swept under the mat by school because they tell the students "eat healthy" and then supply them with never ending amounts of BAD food! its a little hypocritical, if you ask me. but, if you look at it from the schools perspective, they are probably getting huge kickbacks from these places to bring in the fast food. the kids don`t know any better. and then they grow up into obese, poorly educated (nutritionally speaking) adults who have been conditioned to this food. the guy in supersize never disagreed that the girls law suit was frivolous. and if you ask me, it is! BUT, i am GLAD those girls stood up and brought suit, because look at what the spin off from that has done to cast light on the CRAP they are peddling to our chldren and to US! given what mc donalds and other fast food places are serving, its not like he even had to TRY to make them look bad, the food does that ALL BY ITSELF! and, i do believe that the film has had a lasting POSITIVE impact on what the general public eats, and what fast food establishments will serve. also, the film brought up the fact that the US government puts in a very limited budget towards nutrition education, but fast food places have billion dollar budgets to reel us in. what is your child more likely to ask for, a carrot or a greasy, food color filled happy meal?? think about it.
i think you are a little confused on the point of the film and also what he was attempting to accomplish by eating mc donalds. if you pay attention in the beginning of the movie he explains why he chooses to eat it for breakfast luch and dinner.
it was because, according to the courts, in the case of the people who were suing mcdonalds (which also explains why he chose mcdonalds to begin with) that mc donalds could be held liable in thier case if it could be proven that eating thier foods for 3 meals a day on a daily basis could be shown to be harmful. which it obviously was shown to be quite harmful.
In the lastest article of the New York Times Under Health and Science, clearly McDOnald's is no longer liable for anything. They do not have to implement the fact that their food is harmful. Obviously YOU DON'T get my gist; I'm not defending McDOnalds. I simply see no use in this movie pertaining to myself. Why? (Like I said, this is MY TAKE AND NO ONE ELSES? How many times do I have to repeat this???) Because i'M WAS NEVER AN IDIOT ENOUGH TO EAT IT 3 TIMES A DAY. As for the girls who sued, the courts dismissed it completely. SO there goes his liability- he's simply finding a fast food chain to pick on. I'm not supporting McDOnalds, but I wouldn't support the movie either.
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the experiment that he was doing was not to resist mcdonalds, but to eat it consistently, and to biggie size only if he was asked to. i think the point that he was making is that if the food was healthy you could eat it three meals a day every day and suffer no consequences. and that if it causes a person such bad health effects in just one short month, think what it does to your body over a lifetime.
WHose choice was it? Again, you seem to support the fact that the average consumer is a pretty dumb ambivalent choice maker. "SUper size it , sir?" "Why of course! He didn't warn me about the calories, so its okay! I don't ever need to check by myself!"
Look, Meeegun, read everyone else's beside mine. I'm not the only one who emphasizes choice; I'm a smart consumer. Even when I was in elementary school, I even told my friends about the nutrient values in french bread pizza. I know he brings attention the school cafeterias, but what was that going to do? Only educate the people who didn't know anythign about it before. Great, good for those who don't bother to check what their kids are eating. Look at User LLV (LInda) 's kid- she even taught him SUGAR CONTENT. He's 6 years old and he knows how much sugar he's supposed to be getting. How would I ever thank this movie if it never pertained to me? I'm simply arguing that it didn't serve a purpose for those who obviously did their hw. For those who didnt, it's a culture jargon to say "shock value" because it delivers an unexpected yet cheap take on something the audience didn't know- and the audience who obviously thought this movie was a "heads up" are the ones who didn't bother researching before. We all start at some point, but many of us aren't "sure, supersize it since you offered" people.
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you seem pretty perturbed over his seeming lack of good "Choices" by eating the "unhealthy" items on the menu. but in reality, as part of his experiment he required himself to eat everything on the menu at least once. therefore, he HAD to eat all of the items, even the really bad ones. so he did make choices from the menu, but he also had to adhere to the rules of the experiment. besides, i find it doubtful that there are enough low fat and low calorie items on the menu that one could realistically eat "healthy" at mc donalds for every meal anyways.
Again, do average joes require themselves to eat everything on the menu at least once? Maybe some, but definitely not the majority! Does the target audience feel the need to experiment? There are no rules when it comes to your own diet.
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furthermore, many of those low fat items only came about after the litigation. before the law suit, they didn`t give out pedometers with thier "adult" happy meals, or have nearly as many salads. also, i think you are missing a point here too: there ARE people out there who DO eat fast food 3 meals a day. and yes, i fully agree that life is about choices, and that your food is no different. but the movie did have merit and there was definitely a point to it other than trashing mcdonalds.
McD's wanted their target consumers back if they were, at all convinced by the movie. The movie had merit ONLY for those that turned heads. DOes it take a man eating 3 meals a day at a fast food joint and seeing the negative consequences of his actions stimulate any motivation from ME (me me me me me this was originally MY opinion about the movie and I have no idea why you are attacking my opinion) ? What a joke. I was never one of those it might even APPLY to.
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also, you need to consider that these companies are peddling that crap at schools to our children, and look at what its doing to them: they are overweight, they have vitamin deficiencies, and diabetes is rising. i dunno if you have ever seen anyone who has just had thier leg amputated above the knee from poorly controlled diabetes, but i have, and i wouldn`t wish that on anyone.
Blaming health hazards on other people/companies other than yourself is justifiable but comes with a condition; you were abolutely helpless in the situation. Like ASBESTOS poisoning in a rented apartment. So I take it you think vitamin dificiencies, diabetes and weight couldn't in any way, be prevented by the individuals? No? parents couldn't give children food? For those who couldnt afford to pack lunches, they couldn't even tell their kids? People couldn't prevent weight gain by exercise and proper dieting themselves? SOMEONE GET ME A LAWYER! There must be someone else to blame besides me!
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and, i don`t understand why you are defending mc donalds so much when it is apparent even before the movie came out that the food served there is by and large BAD for you. even thier fruit parfaits are loaded with huge amounts of calories and sugars. and yes, there are other chains that serve food that is equally as dispicable, however, mc donalds is the largest, best known, at the time was embroiled in publicity over a law suit, and for his sake in purely practical terms, the most abundant in manhattan where he lived.
I sound like I'm defending McDOnalds only because I'm not for the movie. I said McD's wasn;t my enemy, not that they were my best friend. The fruit parfaits? I always get the tiny one, and even then, whose responsibility is it to check the grams of sugar, if youre so concerned? Seems to me you like defending the action of blaming someone else....
I live in NYC. I don't think the quantity of chains ever made me eat their more often.
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furthermore, the movie didn`t miscontstrue fact. for instance, he was fully evaluated before he began the experiment and found to be a completely healthy person. at the end, he was tired all the time, depressed, overweight, his liver was having significant issues as were other organs. i think we can all agree that anything that makes us feel that crappy is probably something we should avoid.
I never refuted that part. And uh... I knew what crappy food was before the movie... so thats how I avoided McD's. I think the average person had the same capability.
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also, another important point of the film was to point out how little education is available by the establishment in regards to what exactly is IN the food. in the film, he visits every mc donalds in manhattan ( i think there were close to 100 stores) and only a handful had a wall chart displaying nutrition info and even less had a take home pamphlet. if the food was good for you, wouldn`t a company prefer to use that as a selling point? instead, mcdonalds sweeps it under the mat. does it give you the feeling that they don`t WANT you to know?? it does to me.
"where's the fine print? The calorie info? Oh you don't have it? That's okay, I'll take it anyway!" It's called marketing. Wanna know how people overcome advertisements? They do their research. Yes... what it means to be the true educated consumer.
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i think considering that we are all here because we have had one too many big macs ourselves in our lifetimes .......i am glad he chose to put himself through all of that to show the american public just what eating those foods does to your body. and if mcdonalds feels slighted in the process, well, maybe they better get busy searching for thier jared...after 50 some years there should be SOMEONE out there who has lost weight eating at mc donalds, right??
Good for you, you're glad. I'm STILL not impressed by the movie. Again, I think you picked out some very slim ideas from my critique and you mashed it into somehing else. I won't argue against what anyone said. Each statement is only suppose to represent MY opinion. I'm not the only one who feels this way. You must realize that the movie came out during a diet hype era, when south beach and atkins was exploding again. That's marketing too, isn't it? That's selling an idea, is it not? The way I see it, McDOnald's hides their info and some people don't bother to check. They see this movie and they're like "OH MY GOD. I JUST HAD AN EPIPHANY. FAST FOOD=BAD. NATION IS FAT." COngrats to those who needed this movie for that extra little tad of motivation. Unfortunately for some of us, we learned nothing knew, and we took away nothing, because it never applied to us to begin with.
personally, i do believe it is a schools job to educate our children about good eating habits, just like we expect our school to educate our children about sex, physical education, art, music or any other subject that is pertinent to thier success in the future. but, nutrition education is sort of swept under the mat by school because they tell the students "eat healthy" and then supply them with never ending amounts of BAD food! its a little hypocritical, if you ask me. but, if you look at it from the schools perspective, they are probably getting huge kickbacks from these places to bring in the fast food. the kids don`t know any better. and then they grow up into obese, poorly educated (nutritionally speaking) adults who have been conditioned to this food. the guy in supersize never disagreed that the girls law suit was frivolous. and if you ask me, it is! BUT, i am GLAD those girls stood up and brought suit, because look at what the spin off from that has done to cast light on the CRAP they are peddling to our chldren and to US! given what mc donalds and other fast food places are serving, its not like he even had to TRY to make them look bad, the food does that ALL BY ITSELF! and, i do believe that the film has had a lasting POSITIVE impact on what the general public eats, and what fast food establishments will serve. also, the film brought up the fact that the US government puts in a very limited budget towards nutrition education, but fast food places have billion dollar budgets to reel us in. what is your child more likely to ask for, a carrot or a greasy, food color filled happy meal?? think about it.
They're feeding you? Wait, so they strap you down and feed you with no choice?
For kid education: No, most parents HAVE to take responsibility for their kids actions. Look at it this way, if your kid shoplifted, would you require the school to teach them about LAW? Keep in mind, many parents do place their kid's in the hands of the ever poor public educational system. That's why all the HOMESCHOOLED kids get to the national spelling bees.
If youre kid asks for a greasy happy meal and not a carrot, you are completely void out of being responsible? Look at this- IF YOU WANT SOMETHING DONE RIGHT, YOU DO IT YOURSELF. DOn't depend on other people to set things straight. Things never work according to YOUR plans if you don;t take matters into your own hand.
But people ARE suing fast food chains and making mega bucks for not taking personal responsibility for their own actions.
And I think my quote was taken out of context of my entire message... MY point was that I think it is WRONG for anyone to pick out one business and intentionally set out to do something that is designed to damage their business.
And actually there ARE other mentions of suing over such in this thread... including -- but not limited to -- your comments. There were such comments in several messages; perhaps you need to reread the thread.
I actually did re-read the thread - my comments about suing are only in relation to other peoples comments, never did I advocate it. It's only mentioned in terms of thinking it SHOULDN'T be done and that people should take personal responsibility for their actions, perhaps you should have another look? I really don't appreciate my words being taken out of context or misrepresented. I said to you I don't see anyone on this thread advocating suing - I still don't. I'm not arguing the fact that people have sued, just saying I haven't seen anyone HERE support that. I think and have thought since the suit came out that it was absolutely ridiculous. I have never said in this thread or anywhere else that I didn't. I was simply saying a few of the members seem to be getting overly hostile towards the few of us that got something from the movie and were behaving like we were advocating suing by speaking positively about the movie. In contrast to that, I have seen no one actually say "Oh yes, we should all get to sue Mcdonald's, THAT's why I'm fat! That was my whole point.
Last edited by happydaisy; 04-25-2006 at 12:09 AM.
I actually did re-read the thread - my comments about suing are only in relation to other peoples comments, never did I advocate it. It's only mentioned in terms of thinking it SHOULDN'T be done and that people should take personal responsibility for their actions, perhaps you should have another look? I really don't appreciate my words being taken out of context or misrepresented. I said to you I don't see anyone on this thread advocating suing - I still don't. I'm not arguing the fact that people have sued, just saying I haven't seen anyone HERE support that. I think and have thought since the suit came out that it was absolutely ridiculous. I have never said in this thread or anywhere else that I didn't. I was simply saying a few of the members seem to be getting overly hostile towards the few of us that got something from the movie and were behaving like we were advocating suing by speaking positively about the movie. In contrast to that, I have seen no one actually say "Oh yes, we should all get to sue Mcdonald's, THAT's why I'm fat! That was my whole point.
Edited to add: I don't know if it's the lack of physical cues you get with the internet or what, but all I have ever tried to say in this thread is I enjoyed the movie, thought it made a few good points, sure it is commercialized but what isn't? and that no, I don't think anyone forces you to be fat/eat Mcdonald's etc.. If it has come across any other way it was unintentional.
There were such comments in several messages; perhaps you need to reread the thread. 
