This. People seem to confuse "slower metabolism when in a marked calorie deficit" with "inability to lose weight when in a marked calorie deficit." The former is true, the latter is not.

After weight loss surgery, people typically consume 600 to 800 calories per day and they lose MASSIVE amounts of weight -- as do anorexics and people who are actually starving.

I like the term Kaplods uses instead of starvation mode: conservation mode.

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Swop meat for fish and you will lose.

All those who say i'm just regurgitating a poorly understood idea, clearly have not read anything i said about Dr Amanda or the links i share.d

She says its a simplified conception of what actually goes on in the brain and body. Read the links.

I'm also mostly vegetarian. I get most of protein from dairy and beans/lentils . I lose weigh easily and don't have to take any drugs.

I'm sticking by what i have read and believe from Dr Amanda Sainsbury-Salis until any of you lot can show me clear and convincing evidence to the contrary.

Bignomore, you haven't yet lost enough weight to understand first hand what is being discussed here. The pill and your diet is working for you fine so far. Watch out when you go off the pill.

Dr Amanda has something to say about these doctors and their weightloss pills as well. Basically that once you go off them, the weight comes back.


You might want to ask your doctor about this? From wikipedia

No Pattience, those who are on this pill are actually abusing it. It is meant for appetite suppression alone (with an intention to establish correct/healthy eating ways) and not to starve while on it. The weight comes back to those who predominant means of losing weight while on this med is starving, and they see a rapid weight gain when they start eating normally. Whereas I am using this med just to establish a right eating procedure/healthy diet, and doing my part of exercise to shed the weight. It is true this med is for short term use only. Actually I'm right now weaning off of it and taking a lesser dosage which I'm due to stop shortly. But, I will ask the doc about the point raised by you.

I do hope you are successful with it and that you can make a good transition.

Yes the wiki article talks about the history of the way it was used and how it is being used now i.e. which is for appetite suppression.

What?>?

The OP has lost zilch and you're talking about her "famine mode" need to increase calories while Bignomore has lost 30 lbs but she isn't part of the equation?

As my kids are fond of saying ... o_O ...

I did read the links. There is nothing but conjecture and basic biochem. Got a link to the research Dr Amanda has done? I tried to google it up but her marketing machine pitching her books got in the way of any actual information. Got a link for a peer reviewed study she published?

I do enjoy reading these spirited discussions, how stale we might be on 3FC without them

nobigmore is on a appetite suppressant pill of course she's going to lose weight easily.

there is no relation between what nobigmore is doing and what the rest of us are doing.

thanks Kellie.

ah no i haven't found a link to her research you might have to email her directly and ask her where to find it. It probably wasn't put on the web.

Are you any good at reviewing scientific studies yourself. I believe they have limited use for non-scientists who have never done a study and don't know how to asses them.

the article you read wasn't for a scientific audience it is for the general public. Are you saying she's a sham? Wow. I can probably get you a link to her talk on radian national on the health report. You don't get invited to talk not that show if you are not for real.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/...054#transcript

So here's the dissuasion on radio national which is somewhat over my head and at the bottom are the references to two of her research papers. YOu can dig them up yourself from the library or wherever they may be kept.

Things have undoubtedly moved on since then but to where i don't know exactly. Her book came out in 2008 or so . Its working fine with me and i suspect it will work fine with anyone who isn't on a low carb diet. That said, i had a brief email exchange with her and she acknowledges the low carb approach. That is to say, she didn't dismiss it.

This is just a common misunderstanding of all those who haven't used Phentermine - they think it somehow speeds up the metabolism and thus gives weight loss on its own - this is totally incorrect! I've worked hard to lose weight - both in eating as well as in exercising. All that Phentermine has done is to suppress my appetite. It is not a magic pill. So I am 100% following the guidelines of diet + exercise in having lost the 30. So I do really think I am a practical example to consider for this discussion. Had I not eaten 1200 calories a day each day for the past 4 months or not exercised 1 hr most of the days, I wouldn't have lost the 30, for sure.

Dear Pattience, I respect your view and theories if it works for you and congratulation for your weight loss.

that being said I do not share your views and yet I will not belittle your approach because there are many different approach to loosing weight.

we all have different issues and we might have gained weight for different reason, some might be inactivity, excessive eating, health issues, etc. So because we are all different we cannot fit in a single mold and we need to respect each other.

if someone needs medication for one reason or another it does not make it easier on them and their achievements are as important as anyone else.

If what you do works for you great I am glad for you.

First of all, what is OP's BMR? If say, it is just 1500, she is already eating 300 more (@1800 Calories a day) and she may not be gaining weight currently because she is doing exercise. If she is asked to eat more, she is going to end up gaining weight.

big no more i didn't say anything about it other than that its an appetite suppressant. I didn't say it sped up your metabolism or anything else about it. I don't think you need to be this defensive. I don't think you would have been able to successfully eat such a low calorie intake if you hadn't had the appetite suppressant. I really doubt it. Four months is a long time to eat such low calories. I can only go for about two before i get a massive famine reaction - lethargy, depression, followed by hunger.

I think the issue with pills is what happens when you come off them and whether you can live with the increased appetite. I hope for your sake that the program you have followed has set you up well for it. I hope your program works in the long run.

but if you do find your appetite comes back the best solution for you would be to increase the amount of food you eat but keep eating healthy food.

Michou my disagreeing with bignomore is not disrespect. I am not trying to make her feel bad for taking the option she has. Its not my way.

What is working for me is my own plan but i have lately taken on ideas from more than one scientist in the field. I have picked up my approach from a range of different scientists and not all of them are from the one direction.

I am not being disrespectful but i can disagree with people. It does get a bit frustrating when people accuse you wrongly of saying things you never said or meant. With those people i get short.

And when i say that being on a pill cannot be compared with those who aren't its because the person on the pill is no longer dealing with the same basic parameters as everyone else. If you take away a person's normal appetite you take away one thing that causes a lot of people to fail early on in their diets.

Lets face it if none of us had issues with appetite, none of us would be overweight.