Hi, all!

Hey, LLB, I agree with Crone about the Zone. I tried it (twice), and it didn't work well for me -- too much rigidity. However, I support you in your choice

After reading everyone's posts, I'm reminded that the thread is about "non-dieting" and the first thing I did was go against that and write about what "plan" I intend to follow...

My intention was this -- to eat for balance (for me, craving sweets is an indicator that I'm not getting enough protein), but not eat to excess. I do so want to get away from the "diet mentality" and after re-reading my own posts, realize that the "diet mentality" is still having an effect on me.

Gotta work a little smarter!

Blessings!

I know what you are saying Crone & Claire because I fought this idea for a couple years.

BUT I personally know someone with fibro who has done this for a year and is feeling much better. I also intentionally ate more protein for a week and that even seemed to help so...... I don't know that I will "do" the Zone Diet point by point but intend to use it as a guide to get more protein and more balance in my eating. I also don't eat red meat and many days don't eat protein at all. I have to train myself again and since I know and trust this person who has done it I figure I can use as much or as little of it as I like. I mostly want to start with the daily meal planning and for that they have some good ideas that incorporate protein. Thanks for not booing me!!!

I know that Geneen's method is the way to permanently "fix" my food issues. I suppose we could call this the Non-Diet Diet!!!

I am very excited because I think this is the first time we have made it to 2 pages for one thread since we started. Thanks for joining in and posting, everyone. I still worry about HollyGirl, so if you are lurking just send an OK.....

Crone I read that Tina Turner weighs herself everyday - if it's good enough for someone with legs like hers it's good enough for anyone!! I have a scale but haven't been on it - too scared...

LLB: I think you should go for it!

As I think I said somewhere, I've just started eating meat again. While this doesn't jive with my spiritual beliefs, I do find that my cravings have suddenly disappeared, my aches and pains lessened and my metabolism seems to be moving along better. This is not to say that vegetarianism does not work, just that I personally had stopped handling it well.

Re: Diet vs. Non-Diet ... isn't this just semantics anyway? A diet is merely a planned approach to eating. It's when "diet" equals an unhealthy obsessed imbalance that it becomes dangerous.

Roth's ideas and similiar approaches are behavioral strategies that seek to liberate us from tyrannical and rigid patterns of thinking about weight and food. But if we reach a point where we declare ALL planned eating bad and we demonize a simple instrument such as a scale, aren't we just locking ourselves up in yet another thought prison? Aren't we just giving ourselves another reason to feel bad about ourselves and guilty about eating/not eating?



IMHO, we should give view all experiments as valid and continue to grow (metaphysically) and try new approaches.

Hi all!

It's frosty here in Nashville!!

Crone, I was a vegetarian for many years and my health finally started to decline a little. I began eating a bit of meat here and there and have progressively felt better. Going back to eating meat was really hard for me.

I also understand you are the tatting queen -- I am so envious! My Josephine knots are just that -- knots!!

Y'all, with regard to my other remarks -- my personal goal is to reach a point where food is fuel and nothing more. In taking away the emotional aspects of eating and using food as medication, I become free to use food as it was intended. That means I wouldn't need measuring devices (another anchor to overeating and too much focus in the wrong place) and I don't have to worry about eating for the wrong reasons.

I applaud and support everyone's personal decision. Our choices indicate our individual journeys.

My goal for today is to wait for true hunger signals and not eat past the point of satisfaction.

Have a fabulous Monday! Stay warm!!!

I just wanted to pop in to say hello. This exercise demands more attention than I can give it this morning, but i'm going to come back to do it again.

Crone, I used to be vegetarian, too, and am no longer. One thing that I've found helpful to get my head around eating meat is my belief that life and spirit permeate everything, so that life must feed on life to survive. Plants even seem to have a desire to live -- they certainly try to survive. I fear I am being too wacky here, but I truly believe this. I think that, ideally we would only eat meat from animals that were raised responsibly. I intend to try to ensure that as soon as I can arrange it.

I'd better get some work done. Take care, All.

xo
babette

I appreciate the words of encouragement about the meat. It is a difficult decision. Now the people who pressured me about being vege are pressuring me to return to my principles. Sigh.

It just underscores how the issue of food permeates all of our relationships and how strongly people seek to validate their own eating by interfering with the eating of others.

Babette: I haven't gotten my head to the place you are at, but you do have a point about plants. Also, I've been thinking that wolves, lions, tigers, etc., seem to have no guilt about eating their prey ... tough if you're the prey, though!

Waterbaby: Josephine Knots are SUPPOSED to look like knots, so don't give up. If you don't like JKs, try decorating your chains with floating rings!

Re: Food only as fuel ... I think I have the opposite goal. While I want to eat good fuel, I also want to enjoy food and have it as an important and fun part of my life, just as my ancestors did. I want to celebrate feasts in healthy moderation and in a natural manner (non-diet, if you will) without guilt and without gaining weight and without stressing over every bit of food I see. I want to enjoy meals as I did in childhood, without worry about calories. I don't think I can realistically achieve all of these goals, because the truth is calories do count and my fat cells are just dying to swell up like little balloons again, but I do hope I can get some part of this vision to work.

Hi all!

Thanks for note of encouragement about the JKs...I'm still learning and it's fun, but I'm still at the point where it's labor rather than love

I have been fat all my life, so I have to treat my eating compulsion with information like this thread provides -- treat the emotional part so that I don't turn to food for recreation or to numb myself -- all during my childhood (I mean, from the time I was a baby) my parents fretted about my weight, and it rubbed off on me

So I feel I must learn to use food for the purpose it was intended, and enjoy gatherings and holidays for the togetherness rather than all the food.

Oh, yes, Crone and Babette -- I eat a lot of free-range chicken. My DC told me (and I looked it up later) that free-range fowl and their eggs have lower cholesterol than their brethren in cages. I am a big supporter of humane farming practices, too.

Thanks for letting me blab -- and the information and support I get from everyone is really helping me!

WOW

This was fun reading all your posts and I agree with all of you.


I hope you continue to share - Crone long story made short - I moved from big city and friends to small town and new friends who have no idea what metaphysics even is....I let out of yelp of joy when you wrote that.

Onto the next lesson and this one will be extremely interesting.

Hi everybody!

Long time to no write.

I have not been on this thread for over a month now and feel it's high time I stopped avoiding. I was using Xmas and New Years as my excuse but that's over with so I'm back again and ready to deal with this weight issue!

I gained 4 pounds over the holidays but took 2 off this week so I'm back on track! I find this site has really helped me alot and I'm glad to see it's continuing.

Here it goes:

If I were to begin living as if I deserved love and satisfaction, success, respect and all good things I would:

1. Feel confident in my own thoughts and decisions.

2. Not worry so much about what other people think of me.

3. Establish a great career for myself. Not be afraid to go for it!

4. Love my body and feel comfortable and sexy in anything I wore.

5. Open up more to my friends and not be so guarded.

6. Laugh often.

The one thing on this list I will do this week is:

Feel more confident in my own thoughts and decisions.