stormy -- hi there! I forgot, you're one of the two always wowing me with your knowledge of the human body, you and grass, what a pair! Of course you would know about all the parts of a shoulder. I thought you sounded like you were afraid to "get big." But I see you're not. Thank God. I get so tired of hearing these women at the gym saying things like that, like the way they look, unable to barely lift their own arms! is normal, healthy, or in any way desirable. And if that IS the only way they can make themselves "desirable" then . . . well, I pity their choice in men!

Why are some people hypermobile I wonder? Is there a way of fixing that?
Oh, and yes, about being out of the States, not long, only about 26 years! Sure, I've been back for bits and pieces here and there and I read constantly and my work and the Net and all keeps me informed about things. I even get to see some of the TV programs at times!

but you're right I really have little clue about things like the smaller trends, things that it really takes being somewhere to realize. So, really, everyone's wearing scrubs. How weird. Well, I guess not, like you said, they're very easy to strip off and clean I suppose. Did they wear them on ER? I think I saw a couple episodes of that and I do remember thinking it was weird that everyone looked ready to scrub down and get the knives out. I thought, this looks like an warfront hospital but everyone's so serious! unlike M.A.S.H! That must be the reason!
As for me, I WAS ready to roll but have been sitting here so long I've lost that momentum. It has been raining all day. I must get out and try to rev myself up for the gym. You see, the caffeine is wearing off. I guess that's why. Maybe I should split my dose over the day. I guess that wouldn't be any harder on my body, right? grass, would you know about that? So, yes, thanks again for the kick. I WILL get my butt to the gym. Yesterday I only did weights. I want to work up a sweat and work out heavy. It did feel so good to be going heavy again. I am ready to take the weight off though. I've faced it now, accepted the fact that I gained a ton and as I lost a lot of muscle, I have really turned to fat. My face looks totally different and I don't like it. I can still wear the same clothes more or less but that's because the muscle is gone and fat come in its place. But I'll get there, back to where I was and better. You are doing so great 14 lbs is a lot when you don't have all that much to lose. Help keep me on track for Valentine's Day. let's both come out winners!
As for that book, no, I haven't read it, don't have it. I was going to buy it and may still. Or, maybe just reading Meg's explanation on the thread may be enough. I like reading others' responses to it. I mean, if you're like me, we KNOW how to lose weight. It's getting to that point where, like you said, FEEL like doing it, feel like applying the knowledge. So I think the discussion can do enough. I may not need to buy the book. From the reviews I read on Amazon I don't think there's anything new.
My biggest weight gain was this recent one. It wasn't 30 lbs but it was a good 10 and probably closer to 20 of pure fat because of the loss of muscle. That's why I was so sickened to realize what I had done. But I DO know how I did it and I have now accepted that. It was a very very bad time, some of the worst I've had in a long time and I've had some hard knocks emotionally. Not that they were so bad, certainly not more than a lot of people experience, deaths of loved ones, failed relationships, but they hit me hard. This was kind of new because it was linked to work, which I'd pretty well thrown myself into and also identified with. I also identified with working out hard and heavy at the gym, hanging with all my bodybuilder friends and to have lost the muscle and, perhaps worse, to have lost all desire to work out even, that was hard to deal with. I wasn't disallusioned with working out but I was still disallusioned as to what was the real source of the stress. It was work, it was being used at work. The shock was coming to the realization that a lot of what had been my strengths and things that I had supported me (such as working out and eating healthy) I had allowed to be sacrificed in the name of "helping out" at work. I hope I won't do it again. Anyhow, that was my biggest gain in 22 years. I had weighed a bit more at one point but a lot of that was muscle. I was even stronger than I was this last time, squatting an easy 130 kgs and used to do db curls with 16kg. But at one point I allowed fat to creep back in and so coupled with the muscle it had me at a high weight. But this time I'm not as strong, yet I weighed almost the same! That's why it bothered me so much. Still, it's not like I've never been fat. I blew up when I was a teen and only got that weight off when I came to Japan. I guess I have the exercise, new ways of eating and new ways of dealing with life to thank for the fact that it didn't get totally out of hand. Thanks to all you too. But, unlike first losses, second, third and fourth ones, having to do it over and over again, just leaves you saying, "you should know better!" and that's what makes it hard. Oh well, it also probably shows that, even after all these years. I'm STILL human!!
Tell me, stormy, when you gained your weight and why you gained it back again. Do you think this time you are ahead of the game when it comes to keeping it off once you lose it again and you are doing that!
Ok, I'm getting go to the gym, brave the cold rain and wind. Ugh!