Supporting all women and their different body types, and supporting unhealthy weight loss/maintenance regimens?
This is not a criticism of this forum or of anyone in particular. It is just meant as a point of discussion, because I truly don't understand.
The reason I ask this is that there has been HUGE controversy on this forum with the Jenny Craig/Is Kirstie Alley telling the truth? and Is Kiera Knightley too thin? questions. Inevitably, a comment will pop up where we are all advised to "support all women and their different body types".
I agree with this concept of support, but do we in turn support those who wish to attain an underweight BMI? Or those who are maintaining an unhealthy BMI?
Where do we draw the line? I mean, there is no end of discussion about the habits of those at the Brookhaven Obesity Clinic or on the TLC shows featuring morbidly-obese people. BUT, it does not seem to be acceptable when conversation turns to an equally unhealthy population featuring those who are severely underweight, or who aspire to be such.
Just wondering....no offense or criticism is intended. I just think this is an interesting thing to discuss.
I think finding the right balance is important. I think it must be hard when some people's goal weights are higher than other people's starting weights. With so many on this website, there is a huge amount of diversity.
That said, I think 3FC does a pretty good job of being balanced. When people come in here trying to be unhealthily small, members usually jump in to offer healthy suggestions, with moderators not too far behind.
I will be interested to see what others have to say.
A fine question. I find it quite hard, to be honest, so I try (TRY, mind you, not always successfully! ) not to say anything if I can't be supportive. A kind of 'vote with my fingers on the keyboard - or lack thereof...'
You bring up a good topic. Personally, I don't care about what size people are so as long as theyrehealthy. Yes, scarily thin or fat may look like their habits contributed to it, but how do we know? I can't ever judge someone..
I personally would support everyone's goals, but hope that everyone has a healthy approach to it. Sometimes, I must admit, its hard being on 3FC and seeing some members strive for less-than healthy BMIs. So, so SOOOO hard to say something like, "hope you reach your goal!" when improperly done. I've seen way to many pro-ana posts here, and the threads usually get closed. I know this is a support forum full of resources to lose weight and to be healthy, but sometimes I think that could be very well abused. And when threads supporting unhealthy regimens are closed, I'm constantly wondering why the users even post them if all they'll ever get are comments saying that they need professional help (which they don't want). It's hard for anyone like me whose experienced self-destructive behavior in the past and now, as a grown woman, seeing younger women constantly striving to be thin, posting here but not wanting any help at all.
I, too, think the moderators do a great job of keeping this forum online. I don't envy them at all. It seems to be that if someone wants to pursue an unhealthy diet (hence the 3fatchicks diet reviews and recommendations) or get to an unhealthy weight, they are really effectively dealt with.
BUT, it seems to me that if someone actually PRESENTS at an unhealthy weight, someone will comment that we should accept all body types and individuals as they are.
This just seems to be a bit of a disconnect, that's all...
Everyone has a different body frame/type and 128lbs will look different me than it would on even another 5'4"-er because my body is uniquely mine.
That being said; we do NOT promote ANY unhealthy lifestyle choices at 3FC. This site is a support system for healthy living. If someone wanted to weigh 88lbs and was 5'10" (and was not a troll) we would be seriously concerned and worried and tell her so.
That's how it is here. We are a tolerant lot; different strokes for different folks and all that. But we also only support healthy choices, because we are a caring bunch and don't want to see anyone doing anything to hurt their bodies. So if there is something odd or extreme posted, people here do pipe up.
Last edited by shrinkingchica; 09-10-2007 at 06:44 PM.
Please review the "Agree to Disagree" Sticky at the top of this forum page. What it basically says is that advice is best given if the poster asks for it. The reason is to prevent lots of people jumping on a poster who hasn't really asked for comments or advice. For awhile, 3FC was seeing too much of that--posters were feeling attacked.
Even so, supporting folks in their efforts does NOT mean saying "I hope you reach your goal" if they have an absurd goal! That would be silly!
If someone were to say, "I want to weigh 88 pounds and I'm 5'10"," a moderator or admin might respond by saying "That seems dangerously underweight, and you might want to rethink that goal. Read more on our site." Or they might be referred to the Chicks In Control forum for better feedback.
Celebrity bashing is also discouraged. Why say rude, mean things about a celebrity if you wouldn't say the same things to a stranger on the street?
The comment about supporting all women and their body types really refers to the fact that some folks on this site will have 20 pounds to lose, and some will have 200 pounds to lose. In either case, or anywhere in between or beyond, it is still a struggle! And we all know that! So that's really about showing respect to others.
One can be respectful and supportive without giving blanket approval to what someone is doing.
Also, remember that mods and admins are just people, like everyone else on here. Everyone has their own opinions and biases, and sometimes mods make mistakes. That's why it's nice to have the forum rules to refer to!
I hope this helps to clarify things. We'll always have posts that are controversial now and then.
I assume that people who post goals which are not attainable in a healthy way either have a disorder which is beyond my expertise or are simply fishing for compliments from people telling them they are just perfect the way they are.
Either way, I now simply choose not to comment at all.
I think the mods above explained our policy well. We also appreciate that you all understand how difficult moderating can be sometimes. It really IS hard to know where to draw the line sometimes. Sometimes the line is fuzzy because each situation is unique, and we have to make judgment calls. We're not always right, but we do our best And it's the same way for the members. Sometimes our topics cross the border, and it's not always easy to know when to stop. It's a team effort to keep things where they need to be.
I am "one of those". But you probably knew that already ;-)
You're right, I didn't really come here to get support for weightloss. I wasn't overweight to being with, hadn't been for 6 years, was right in the middle of my healthy BMI range in fact.
Since then I dropped 10-11lbs through life trauma rendering me unable to eat, but once that blew over I deliberately kept up that loss, and I'm shrinking, and I don't intend to stop until I reach my goal, which some people havn't and wouldn't like.
I'd personally say *don't support anyone's ideals of an *anorexic* weight, BMI 17.5 or below. 17.5-18.5 is still underweight, sure, but I think thats more a personal choice category than seriously ill ...physically. Although of course, the mental problems may abound.
But we're all adults. Or mostly, or should be here. And as long as we arnt rude/illegal, should use this site as we see fit.
I've stopped posting my weights etc and I'm trying to kick a few eating disorder attitudes etc. I've succeeded in breaking a few habits, but my core is still pretty anorexic.
But actually, I'm not sure thats relevant to this forum...EDs are mental illnesses, losing weight in itself isn't that.
It makes me sound sad, but aside from pro-ana sites..which I'm AVOIDING..this is one of the few places I've felt supported and accepted for whatever I want to be.
I love this place. I don't pass judgement on others and they don't to me.
I did go buy some skinny jeans etc today and bought other clothes, and in 2 hrs or so I didn't get revolted by my reflection. I think, very slowly, I AM making progress..its a winding route.
Complicated post, sorry
emily
xxx
Last edited by CousinRockingChair; 09-10-2007 at 08:31 PM.
There's also a difference between supporting the poster his or herself, and supporting their plans or their goals. They don't necessarily have to go hand in hand. I do think it is possible to be supportive of a person, while not totally agreeing with their goals or their methods.
I think that what is important to remember is that losing weight affects different people in different ways. I've had many of my friends comment on my "warped body image" and "obssessive eating rituals". What some people see as normal coping mechanisms other people see as obssessive. When it comes to BMI as a reflection of health, no two people are alike, so how can we make a chart to say who is healthy and who is not? If there are professional athletes that are falsely dubbed obese by these charts doesn't it make sense that it can work the other way too where someone who is not really underweight, but built to be very slight, would show up as falsely underweight? Just some food for thought.
this is one of the few places I've felt supported and accepted for whatever I want to be.
I love this place. I don't pass judgement on others and they don't to me.
Emily, I just want to say I think it's so wonderful that you do feel welcome here. Sometimes anorexia is a tough thing for people to understand, so it's nice that you're here to chime in with some perspective about it, and I hope that you can get some good perspective from others here as well. I've had a few bouts with anorexic behaviors in my past, as recently as 2004, but I've never had an extended problem with it. I have felt the pull of it before, though, and I know it's got to be really difficult to get over. I wish you all the best with your efforts. From your posts, you seem like a strong person.
Where do we draw the line between...
) not to say anything if I can't be supportive. A kind of 'vote with my fingers on the keyboard - or lack thereof...'
