and I'll say it again, I think it is a matter of personal limits, if you can make Core Oatmeal cookies (I want the recipe) and have only a couple...go for it, if you eat the whole pan in the course of an hour/day...maybe that would not be a good idea. As for my "baked corn-apple mush souffle" it makes about four texas-size servings which are VERY filling....and if I want more I ahve to to whip out the kitchen-aid and go to work
....when you start cooking things, they usually cease to look like themselves...
You can look at some recipes and say what is in that or you can look at some and say there is a onions, celery, lean meat, etc. That is what I think they are looking at.
if ya think about tomato soup doesn't really look like a tomato...heck it could be a red pepper...I think that if we look at the program and take it as it is intended...to eat natural, minimally processed foods (baked or otherwise), then you will be fine....if we or WWers, for that matter, starts throwing in rule after rule after rule..then it will cease to become a managable system, it will become a TRUE "diet". If these rules start saying that you can't have this item or that item..unless you use your WPAs...even though they are by themselves CORE...then it becomes so confusing, so convuluted, that people will just go back to Flex and call it a day. Lord knows if we have to start counting every UnCore "appearing" recipe then the 35 WPAs will be gone by day 2....and I don't know about you but that won't work for me...and I LOVE core by the way...at least the original version that was first presented to us.
So why do they provide CORE RECIPES? This whole thing is crazy. I agree with NaTron. I had cornmeal cooked with egg and milk twice last week. I lost 2 lbs. That works for me. As long as it has all core foods, I'm counting it core. If it has all core foods and only 1 ingredient that is not core, I'm counting the 1 ingredient's points--not the whole recipe (it says if a recipe is not all core, all ingredient points have to be counted.) I also like Core the way it was at the beginning. I have lost 6 lbs. so far so it must be working. I will continue to do it that way, as long as I'm losing, that is
NaTron, I am slap dab in the middle between you and the boats.
Janette
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I agree and that is why I think maybe some of the stuff they did as 'non trigger' foods and some as 'possible abuse' foods and most of 'non whole' foods.
Most of the recipes they provide you can still see the 'whole' foods and not a processed food.
Nate, you put your finger right on it ... this is exactly why I personally called it a day and am now happily on Flex. But I intend to use CORE again in a few weeks, so continue to read all the threads.
Re Core, which I also like in the form I originally understood it, I don't see why there's a problem with the idea of mixing and cooking the ingredients ... even WW puts out a cookbook that has CORE recipes ... and some of the foods on the list are not basic foods anyhow (such as WW little Fruitie candies and lots of other things).
Food is meant to be cooked unless you're a raw food devotee and even these people MIX ingredients to make recipes. It also seems like people are putting a bit too much stock in what one person or another says is the absolute right way to do the program (not meaning this thread or to offend anyone). There's no right or wrong way, really, to do a plan, just because someone says so. In the end, the right way is the way WE choose to do it; it's all about US as individuals. If the word "cornbread" makes a dish noncore but you want to count it as core, then call it something else, as someone suggested ... apple/corn "souffle" ... baked "fritters" ... baked "corn/apple mush?" No one is going to eat cornmeal raw (I eat oatmeal raw, but that's another issue).
If WW makes a rule that doesn't fit us as an individual then why worry about breaking it? There aren't CORE police out there making sure we do it right?
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Originally Posted by NaTron
if ya think about tomato soup doesn't really look like a tomato...heck it could be a red pepper...I think that if we look at the program and take it as it is intended...to eat natural, minimally processed foods (baked or otherwise), then you will be fine....if we or WWers, for that matter, starts throwing in rule after rule after rule..then it will cease to become a managable system, it will become a TRUE "diet". If these rules start saying that you can't have this item or that item..unless you use your WPAs...even though they are by themselves CORE...then it becomes so confusing, so convuluted, that people will just go back to Flex and call it a day. Lord knows if we have to start counting every UnCore "appearing" recipe then the 35 WPAs will be gone by day 2....and I don't know about you but that won't work for me...and I LOVE core by the way...at least the original version that was first presented to us.
My husband was born in Longview Texas....did you ever hear of it?
I am flying to Dallas in a couple weeks to visit his brother in Denton!
Now about CORE.........
Keeping is simple is best! No sense in knockin it......cause if you dont like it you have other options,right?
Of course as a previous WW member many times over I certainly "re-wrote" many versions of each plan and still got weight loss results...but always lost better by following what WWers wrote! I was a slow-learner but finally made it!
Thanks CIN! I think that is what W/W really intends. I just wish they were a little clearer (and I think these corrections are a step) and maybe as time goes on it will get clearer.
Another way to make something cornbread-like would be to slice polenta (which is just cornmeal and water and without a doubt is Core, IMO) and bake it ... or would that just be polenta?
Anyhow, polenta is an excellent way to use cornmeal ... it is great with mushrooms (Core).
This is all very interesting. But I think no matter what you make whether it's corn bread with all core ingrediants or oatmeal cookies made the same way it shouldn't make a difference because the point of Core is to eat until satisfied right? So if we make a huge batch of cookies that are Core one or two should be enough to satisfy us and if we find ourselves eating the whole pan then we have abused that "satisfied" gauge and should re-examine ourselves. So I haven't made any core cornbread (have lots of great recipes) or oatmeanl cookies... but I will in the future without worrying if it is core or not.
Actually Spryng I think the intent is to get satisified on less calories. There is a thread over at Dotti's (I can't get there from here at work because she blocked the IP here) about calorie density that really explains why I think W/W doesn't want us to come up with these types of things. I wish I could get to the site to post the link but if you go to this thread at BCB you'll find the link http://www.***************.net/forum...5&page=3&pp=25 it is by Paris Madeleine on page 3 or the same post at http://tinyurl.com/3mlw6
Kelly thanks for those links! I see what you are saying now. I can definitely see how cornbread and those oatmeal cookies and such would be a trigger food and be really easy to over eat on. I haven't made any yet and it did get me thinking about if I could stop at one serving (with cornbread probably not, I love it so much! and cookies are delicious in milk right? lol... which means you need at least a dozen, lol) so I'll probably stay away from those things. But I did like how one person said (on the official ww boards) that if your weightloss is going fine and you are making those things and counting them as core then that is fine just don't recommend them to others because it can be a trigger food for them. Good advice! So thanks so much on that info!!!
I agree about the "trigger food" thing. I don't think I will try making cookies--way too tempting. But the cornbread was really good with my beans and I only ate one piece. I can't imagine eating my beans without it after 50+ years of conditioning! Of course, I have been averaging 28 flex points left at the end of the week so it could have been included in that and that's why I lost. So if I think it is Core and I have enough points to cover it if it isn't, I figure I can't lose or will lose---you know what I mean. The main thing is stop when you are full and start out with a reasonable amount on your plate so you won't be tempted to keep eating after that full feeling begins--I need to tatoo that on my glasses Think anyone would notice?
Yup! :)
... apple/corn "souffle" ... baked "fritters" ... baked "corn/apple mush?" No one is going to eat cornmeal raw (I eat oatmeal raw, but that's another issue).
I was a slow-learner but finally made it!
