I don't have any experience since you can't take NSAIDS with prescription pain killers. But they do appear to cause edema. I'd check with your doctor. And thanks.

It happened too fast to be scary. It wasn't until I got home that it hit.

Linden I'm glad you're ok after the canine (mis)behavior. Well or a pit bull just being a pit bull and the owner's misbehavior. As for the "coach" the quotation marks are just the start of my humble opinion. And this


tbf410 IP makes buying clothes fun instead of an ordeal, no? on your shopping trip and your new "non-dumpy butt" pants!

candace5 Snowsuits -- perish the thought!! I know it's coming but I'm not ready for winter to happen yet.

Keep up the great job of managing the mindgame of IP especially around the possible monthly weight loss slowdown. One of my favorite quotations is from Yogi Berra, who said, "Baseball is ninety percent mental and the other half is physical." Kind of applies to IP.

2 NSVs:
1. I wanted to get somewhere this morning a little faster than just walking so I ran/walked about 1 km!
2. It actually felt good!

Good Morning to all! Thanks to mbswainer and Kaarin for responding to my question about retaining water!! I lost .5 # last week and when I talked to my coach about it she said that she wasn't concerned because I have steadily lost inches - over 20 inches in fact!! I am happy losing the inches and feeling good in general, so I guess I'll try to drink even MORE than 120 oz every day this week!! I even bought myself a bigger drinking cup - I can fill it to 24 oz each time. So.....here I go!

Linden, I am so sorry about your experience with the pain meds! I can so relate as from last September through June of this year I was on heavy heavy pain meds for something. I could not wait to get off that medication. In fact, it was such a motivator for me to lose the extra 30 # that I had. I am hoping that you can find some way to be pain free and medication free too, but in the meanwhile, I hope you continue with some kind of pain management. I know i couldn't function at all with the level of pain I had. You've done so well and have helped so many here, I am hoping for the best for you!!

Have a lovely fall week everyone!

I just started that this weekend!

I am halfway through the first thread (500 posts) in categorizing them. I hope to be completed with this by the end of the week and create a thread that the moderators can sticky.

There is more than this and I still need to modify formatting (there is a method that allows just the name of the recipe and not the whole link to show) but, here is an example of what I have going so far...

Recipes Index:

Condiments:
A-1 sauce ala Torchlaker http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/2973031-post3.html
Dry Rubs for Meats by Kira http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/2992237-post22.html

Soups:
IP version of Weight Watchers zero point soup by alwe74 http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/2974921-post8.html

Salads:
Tuna on Salad by Sandrab http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/2975124-post10.html
Oriental Beef salad by Sleeping BeautE http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/2977301-post16.html




Salad Dressings:

Mom’s Salad dressing by Torchlaker http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/2973024-post2.html
Sandra B’s Dressing by sandrab http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/2975124-post10.html
Spinach Salad Dressing by Torchlaker http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/2980905-post18.html


Categories I have included so far are:
Soups
Salads
Salad Dressings
Appetizers
Snacks
Drinks
Snacks
Breakfast
Eggs
Breads/Crackers/Crusts
Fish/Shellfish
Chicken/Turkey/other poultry and fowl
Beef
Pork
Lamb/other meats
Vegetables
Side dishes
Asian
Mexican
Italian
Vegetarian
Desserts
Condiments
IP Packet Recipes and Tips

As I find more categories I will break them out. If anyone sees a suggestion for a category let me know.

My thought is to create each part of the index as a separate post. With the topic heading being the category. In the event I were no longer on the board, I believe, anyone could request a moderator/administrator to add a new recipe to the appropriate section post for the index. This ultimate allows up to 500 post/categories of the index. (I don't think it necessary but, who knows.) Also, it will allow for a future recipes 3 thread to be incorporated as the other threads have been.

Well, I can't just stop taking them. The withdrawal would be as bad as the pain. But I have an appointment with my doctor to discuss gradually reducing them. Although if losing weight means less padding for sciatic nerves. . . . Thanks for the encouragement.

Hey guys,

Hope you don't mind if I jump in. I go for my first meeting next Monday and should get my started pack then. I'm planning on using this week to do some prepping - both physically and mentally. Any tips, suggestions, etc., ya'll can give me would be appreciated.

Congrats on staying strong and resisting all the temptations!
I can't wait to shop for something new in a smaller size. I'm sure it made you feel great

Interesting article in The Atlantic about medical research: Lies, Damned Lies and Medical Science

TennesseeLeigh Seasoned posters might be bored of reading this, but my best tip is to read the FAQ and Newbie Tips sticky threads.

Here are some links:

Tips for Newbies
FAQ
an oldie Best advice you were given
another oldie What do you wish your coach told you

Just about any daily chat thread has new people posting and asking questions about what to do or how to deal with the diet in the first few days and weeks.

Good luck at your consultation. Come back and let us know how it goes!

This is a lot of excitement on a Monday!
Bras (yeah, rosemary! mine are getting loose in the cup, too!), non-dumpy butt pants (tbf410!!), broken puppy legs (Oh, no, Linden, that's terrible! How are puppy's spirits? Are you and puppy going to be able to continue with the agility class? If you even want to. And, as everyone here agrees, this sudden enlightenment about the pain meds - you are deservedly p***ed off.)


I need some advice from people who have been doing IP longer than me. I don't consider this a planned-cheat question, but maybe it is. To me it is more "massaging" the protocol to fit a situation: Tomorrow is a challenging day with two work meetings over breakfast and lunch. I know the kitchen very well (high-quality, as it is part of a conference center) and I'll be able to have a two-egg and 2-cups allowed veggies omelet for breakfast (made-to-order, so I can control the preparation) and then I will be able to take my WF 1000 island dressing for a lunch salad+veggies. I wondered however, if I could have a real-food protein portion along with my salad, then just have IP packets the rest of day. If I am planning on having two real-food meals in one day, should I maybe just have a IP packet-and-vegetables tonight for dinner, in order to double up real-food tomorrow? In other words, no real food today, in order to have two tomorrow?

I will take a RTD IP drink with me to lunch in case they only have stuff that doesn't work (it is a buffet and the menu rotates; the salad bar is excellent and always there). I have no worries at all about my self-control to make correct choices with what is in front of me. But I wondered about my plan. In 4 weeks, I haven't eaten anything but IP and my own prepared food.

Thanks in advance for any input!!

And, Carla, thanks for all that work you are putting in to indexing the recipes. The dedication of you (and Jordanna and others before you) to make things easier for us all deserves our never-ending appreciation. Thank you, thank you

Sounds like a GREAT plan. One day of Phase 2 eating won't hurt you and you don't need to skimp on food the day before or the day after. What will slow you down is a lot of carbohydrates, and that's not in your plan! Enjoy your meals, have productive meetings and come back and let us know what you chose!

WOO HOO!! Good for you! I lost band size but not cup size. I wish I had but, given that my hips won't budge either, at least I still look "balanced"

OMG! I can't believe they weren't more thorough about your medications! They really should have been. In fact, some of the blood pressure medications are in direct conflict to the levels of supplements we take (mostly if they are potassium sparing or LOOP medications). WOW!

Your poor puppy! I am glad you got there quickly. That is just awful! I have had pit bulls off and on through my life and with proper training and guidance they are wonderful pets but, in the hands of a poor owner, they can be real problems. Are they going to be allowing that dog back in agility training?

Way to go!! That is awesome!


Yes, NSAIDS (motrin, aleve, advil, motrin, etc. for over the counter varieties) can cause water retention and slowed weight loss if they are used very regularly.

Boy is this a good idea. And boy, what a lot of work. My hat's off.

About the pit bull -- well, you know, I can't blame him. The owner/stupido is another case altogether.

And yes, about the medicine. I'm more than peeved. I know I need to say something, strong, to them. But I still need the packets for another 2 months. It's tricky. My experience -- the less competent people are, the more defensive and self-righteous they can be.

First, bookmark this link so you can easily get to our subforum index/content page.

http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet-236/

This page the above link retrieves will show you all of our permanently stuck (ie sticky) threads at the top of the page and all of the thread based conversation going back to the origination of this diet group.

Take some time to read the recipes. They will give you great ideas about what to make your first weeks. ALSO, read some of the protein packet recipe tips and favorites threads. That may help you get some ideas of what is most commonly liked. And, review the walden farms threads which will give you an idea of what people like and how they like to use it. If you frequently travel or eat out familiarize yourself with the tips in those topics too!

http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/idea...n-packets.html
http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/idea...-farms-ip.html

Don't be afraid to jump in and ask questions! There are so many people on here who have a lot of experience and are very willing to help!

You are welcome. I was frustrated the other day while searching for a recipe I KNEW existed and thought "why can't we...." I just didn't realized how involved it was going to be!

About your plan, yes! That would work. I had to do this once and my coach said to just do a phase 2 day. Use an IP breakfast, normal meal lunch (like dinner), a normal dinner, then an IP snack. In your case maybe a protein and veg breakfast, protein, veg and salad lunch, and an IP and salad dinner with an IP snack might work very well!

Good for you! Big wins on your part! More rewards to come, no doubt!!