I'm sitting here wondering why in God's green earth are people SO OFFENDED by me saying that Twilight is a ****ty series.

Why on earth do you care unless you're SM?

If someone sat there and said what a ****ty writer Virginia Woolfe was, I would simply say that I enjoy her novels and why, and leave it at that. if they insulted me for it, what the **** ever. Why does everyone care so ****ing much over what I have to say about the Twilight series and the people who praise them as good books? It's as if everyone is so personally insulted by me saying that they're a poorly written series.

I've already said repeatedly why I'm angry over this series, and it's apparent that no one cares to read it, and they only care that I said that it's a crappy series and that people say that it's good are ignorant and poorly read. If you think Twilight is WRITTEN WELL, you are poorly read and you don't know what a good book is.

If you don't like it, get over it and pick up some Faulkner or Morrison (Or even Palahniuk) and learn what good writing is. Go read Thomas Mann or Simone de Beauvoir. But SM is NOT a good writer. I don't think she ever will be, and I doubt she'll ever write another thing and she'll fade into the backgrond, while the GOOD writers, won't.

I just don't like to be called ignorant for my opinion. I don't agree with your opinion, but I've not called you a single name or challenged your intellect. It's just incredible that someone who's so upset over this book and the fact that MOST of us like it is STILL posting in this thread! If we're all so ignorant then please post elsewhere on 3FC, and leave us idiots to our discussion in peace.

@ sunflowergirl68

*sigh* I think you're really missing the point here. I feel I'm banging my head against a brick wall. I really *don't* have a problem with you disliking the series (neither does anyone here I believe). I am really *OK* with that. Everyone does not have to love the series. Again, we're not robots! It is a personal preference, honestly.

As for insulting you, how DARE you call everyone ignorant and an idiot who happens to like this series. You *don't* know anyone on this site personally. So, go ahead and take a look at yourself first.

Oh I am mature enough to accept the fact that people have loved it and hated it, for whatever reason, and I am *OK* with either opinion. I don't have to personally attack folks who love the series and throw my so called degree in their face claiming *I* know more about good literature and you don't cuz look I have an English Lit degree. Again, a degree has *nothing* to do with being well read. It is a personal choice to read whatever one wants to read. I did not need some 3rd party website to tell me what was wrong with this series. I am quite *able* to think for myself. Not every fluff needs to be well written. It is hence fluff and is called mindless reading.

And, yes it is funny, despite you insulting everyone for enjoying this series, you (a) read it multiple times and (b) still went to watch the movie.

As for comparing your English degree with a doctor, that's just silly!

I've had enough here...

i think the thing people here have a problem with is being called ignorant and poorly read. you don't know me, so don't assume things about me just because i enjoy vampire novels that aren't classics.

exactly. It's summer. I want to be mindless in the summer.

Well, ladybugnessa ... I think that is really sad. I couldn't disagree more; they shouldn't be living a life that requires birth-control at that age.

I know there are many who feel the way you do, but I have to be honest ... I think it's very harmful to our young people in the long run.

is it more harmful than an unwanted pregnancy that parental pressure would force them to keep?

The only alternative is not an unwanted pregnancy. Another is to teach your children the difference between what's right and what's wrong for them, and then let them know that you expect them to respect those teachings. They're the kids, we're the adults ... and we all need to act like it. If we just throw up our hands and say, "oh why bother ... they won't listen" ... then they get that vibe from us, and they do what they want.

Kids generally give you what you expect from them ...

Well as the mother of a 14 year old daughter I can tell you that we can talk to them, educate them and tell them what OUR beliefs are all we want, but, when it comes down to it, THEY make the decision to have sex or not. Its not a throw your hands in the air thing.

I tell my daughter what I believe to be right and wrong, I tell her I dont want her having sex yet and all my many reasons why, but in the end I cannot stop her no matter how hard I may want to. Teenagers do what they want despite the vibe they are getting from the parents. You can say oh it shouldnt be that way, its wrong all you want but thats just the way it is and the way it has always been.

The dangerous thing to do is to try and teach abstinence only. You cant do better if you dont know better. Teens need to be educated on birthcontrol and sex in general so they know what their choices are and hopefully they'll make wise decisions.

Unfortunately or not teens DO need to be thinking about birthcontrol. My daughter has had very close relationships where I was worried sex was going to happen so I talked to her every chance I got but most of all I stressed the importance of protecting herself, that means birthcontrol. If she isnt prepared going into the situation then the consequences could very well be an unwanted pregnancy.

We arent raising children we are raising adults, the best thing we can do is give them the tools and hope and pray they use them!

Just my 2 cents anyway!

ah well then that explains it. I don't think sex outside of marriage is wrong. we did express to daughter and boyfriend that we would prefer that they wait.. but we can't control them when we are not with them and you can't be with them 24/7 when they are 17. you have to raise them so that you trust them. So I taught my kids what was right. girls on the pill, boys use condoms no matter what. Responsibility is what I teach my children.

ladybugnessa, I didn't say that I thought sex outside marriage was wrong. I'm saying that I think TEENS having sex is wrong. Once they're older and wiser, that's a different thing altogether.

How do you think they get wiser?

How do YOU think people get wiser, lbn? Do you think people have to experience EVERYTHING in order to live an intelligent, sensible life?

Not EVERYTHING but you sure do have to have LIFE experience in order to properly live life.

I can raise my kids to the best of my ability, and I can tell them what I think is right.

My daughter and the current boyfriend (her first) are having a rough time because he's being a typical teen and not falling at her feet wanting to be with her ever second of every day.

We can tell her we think she should break it off with him
We can tell her that she is being emotionally abused
We can even FORBID her to see him

what does she learn?