WHAT? I won't lose all my fat in two weeks or something? <getting into melodramatic pose> Oh, I simply couldn't STAND it!!!

Where is the fat fairy with the "instantly skinny" wand, and the magic pills?

<end of drama queen tantrum> Actually, I completely agree that baby steps are the only way to make changes permanent, LOL!!

Thanks for the reminder!

hehehe Waterbaby, if I knew where the Fat Fairy was, I'd sell her services on Ebay!

And what about those magic pills?

Anyone remember Phen Fen? YEAH!!! Fat or Death. hmmmm let's decide here

yeah but you probably don't abuse it like some did which is why the fiber cap came out (WINK)

Hi! I've been reading this board for a bit, but this question brought me out to post. I lost weight successfully on the old WW Quick Start and Quick Success plans -- 30 pounds back in the mid-80s. Kept it off for five years, when a job change got me off track and I started gaining weight back. When I went basck to WW they had made a change that made it difficult for me to lose -- they upped the starch exchanges a lot. I couldn't lose on that plan.

I've restarted and restarted and restarted -- never lost much. I've gained 5-6 pounds a year for the past 12 years, gotten lazy, stopped cooking, stopped doing any exercise (and I was never a jock). So I'm restarting again. I may use Points as a framework, but I've been using the old exchange program that worked for me before. It's the only diet I ever loved. I dug out all the old cookbooks from that program -- real food, not processed or frozen -- made up an exchanges chart, and have lost six pounds in two weeks. That's a whole year gone!

Glad to meet you all. Can I post on the WW forum if I'm doing a defunct program, or should I go to a general thread?

Penny

Oldpenny, you may certainly post here! Defunct program or not, you're still here to try to be healthier and lose weight. That is the same goal as every one else! Best of luck to you!

They never really added or took away 'starches' or really changed the basic programs. I hope that the following info will help you do much better. Additionally if you look at the foods now (and I am not trying to change your mind just giving you more info to make your decision) that are designated Core you tend to eat more balanced.

Points Pies

Balanced (under 250 pounds)

Complex Carbs/Grain Based Foods – 8-9 points a day
Protein-rich Foods – 6-7 points a day
Fruits and Veggies – 0-3 points a day
Fats, added sugars – 2-3 points a day
Milk and Milk Products – 4-6 points a day

20-28 points a day

Higher Protein (under 250 pounds)

Complex Carbs/Grain Based Foods – 5-6 points a day
Protein-rich Foods – 9-11 points a day
Fruits and Veggies – 0-1 points a day
Fats, added sugars – 2-4 points a day
Milk and Milk Products – 4-6 points a day

20-28 points a day

Higher Carb (under 250 pounds)

Complex Carbs/Grain Based Foods – 9-10 points a day
Protein-rich Foods – 5-7 points a day
Fruits and Veggies – 1-3 points a day
Fats, added sugars – 1-2 points a day
Milk and Milk Products – 4-6 points a day

20-28 points a day

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Balanced (over 250 pounds)

Complex Carbs/Grain Based Foods – 11 points a day
Protein-rich Foods – 10 points a day
Fruits and Veggies – 3-4 points a day
Fats, added sugars – 2-3 points a day
Milk and Milk Products – 4-6 points a day

30-34 points a day

Higher Protein (over 250 pounds)

Complex Carbs/Grain Based Foods – 8 points a day
Protein-rich Foods – 12 points a day
Fruits and Veggies – 2-3 points a day
Fats, added sugars – 4-5 points a day
Milk and Milk Products – 4-6 points a day

30-34 points a day

Higher Carb (over 250 pounds)

Complex Carbs/Grain Based Foods – 13 points a day
Protein-rich Foods – 8 points a day
Fruits and Veggies – 2-4 points a day
Fats, added sugars – 3 points a day
Milk and Milk Products – 4-6 points a day

30-34 points a day


Congrats on the loss but while W/W does allow for processed/frozen foods they truly would prefer people look at the real food...most of us tend to be more satisified on the real food. I do a combo of points and Core. BTW I lost most of my weight originally on the exchanges program too but am so happy that there is something that gives me more flexibility.

I compared one of the recipes from back with exchanges to points and it was the majority of my points and nearly 1/3-1/2 of my selections.


You can post where ever you feel comfortable. I post on a lot of the other weight loss forums because I think there is a bit from all the programs that one can learn and use from.

Penny[/QUOTE]

Actually, they did add the number of starches. I wasn't talking about the current program, but about what they were doing about 15 years ago. Thanks very much for taking the time to post all of that information, but I'm doing just fine. I'm not looking for another program.

boaterswife, thanks very much for the welcome and encouragement!

I don't remember them adding any starches...Maybe because I used my optional calories/selections for starches. HMmmmmmmmmmm.

(Sticking tounge out jokingly) this info may help others too. LOL

Everyone is welcome! No questions is too stupid OldPenny, so don't worry.
I'm excited about the change - I have been struggling over the holidays and don't want to lose my momentum. I think this will help. 2 more weeks til they announce it!

Kelly thanks for posting that - reminds me of what I did when I lost my first 25 lbs a few years ago Sigh, now if I could just get to my NEXT 25 lbs.

I wonder how much of the "program changes" are due to actual IMPROVEMENTS or to MARKETING? I hope for the former, but suspect the latter. I think if a plan or program works for you and it is balanced, who CARES what the "new" program is? I personally get tired of seeing all the changes and having to adjust to them to stay on their plan. It will be interesting to see what new things come up. I just hope that all my old cookbooks aren't defunct as of Jan 1st, because they come up with another method of accounting for food. Not that I would necessarily FOLLOW the change - I think I would stay with what works for me!
Good luck to our US WW friends for Thanksgiving! Sweet potato pie, green beans with fried onions on top, stuffing, turkey...sigh...

Is the new program supposed to come with the first of the year or what? I do WW online so haven't heard anything yet..

I have not been to a "real meeting" in ages.
Will someone tell me what this new plan is all about, please!!!!!!!

I do better on the Points than the Core.

No one has the new information yet and it will be available to both those at meetings and online. You will get it when it is released.

If you are doing it on your own it is a copyrighted information and thus we legally cannot just give it to you so you may have to find a way to obtain it.

It is supposed to be released the week of December 10 so if you can hit a meeting then.

Thanks Kelly,
I will be going back to meetings on a monthly basis. So, I'll make sure I attend that week.

I love the changes when they come along! Even if it's a slight 'tweaking' of the program ...it shakes things up a bit, it's something 'new', I pay more attention to what I'm doing, I journal like I should, I look at it as a 'challenge', and I'm excited to see the results ...it's just good for me. I've been a member off and on since 1973, and every change has been for the better. I reached goal 3 1/2 years ago. I love the flex plan, but I'm definitely ready for a change or two ...even the little ones ...bring it on!