Well, I'm currently about 107 lbs, 5'0" (total shortie). I ALWAYS have to get pants hemmed, even "short" or "petite" length, because my legs are practically stubs.

I wear S shirts from Old Navy if I want them to fit, but I have a decent rack. Old Navy size 4 jeans fall off me, size 2 are too tight at the waist but too big in the butt.

Most clothing just varies so dramatically that it's just impossible to go by "sizes," I think.

But for shorties who are small... yeah, there are options in regular "cheap" stores. I find Juniors clothing to fit me the best (except in length and in the bust), mostly because they're cut for girls with smaller bootys.

I don't care what the number on it is - I just wish they'd make them the same size from brand-to-brand! It's really obnoxious when a size 14 in something is bigger than a size 18 in something else. I makes shopping annoying because you then have to try on 2-3 pairs of the same pants to find which size fits (unless it's obvious from holding it up), which means more trips back and forth to the dressing rooms, etc.

Originally Posted by banananutmuffin:
In general, I find cheaper stores (meaning less expensive) are more likely to vanity size. Target, Old Navy, etc. seem to do it more often than places like Ann Taylor. I am not sure why this is, although it might have something to do with the manufacturers they choose.

Actually, though, I find the CUT of clothing to be more frustrating than the size number. Jeans that dig in my belly are too loose in the thigh/rear. Dresses that fit my waist are too snug in the boobs.

Finding clothing that fits well and looks good is a pain, vanity sizing or not!

the reason on this as were learning in school ( I am in school for design )
is that stores such as target walmart or old navy are targeted towards your evreyday woman .... women who are not extremely fashion foward /active on the go type women .... the kind that dont want to fuss with their garments and these are the "average" cuts to fit such a person

stores like anne taylor , calvin klien, micheal khors etc is catered to a more fussy fashion foward crowd who considers themself more couture and haute couture is to be slim ... the slimmer the better a lot of high fashion people say or feel that fashion is for the slim ( i disagree fashion is for anyone who is willing to spend a ridiculous amount of money .... if the consumers are fat i dont see why designers arent making the clothes bigger ..... thats over 30% of the market that they are missing out on .... id want in on that !! )





and as per the other poster i guess i just thought 5'6 is tall because im my tallest friend ... i dont really see many other girls my height , even my mother is only 4'9 idk what cloud i fell out of lol

This is what I think....

Men have it so simple...even a beer gut they measure across their hipbones and wear jeans under their beer belly.

Us women we wear pants higher, let's say just about or around our belly button.

Hips may measure 40" waist may measure 30, but that is not the measurement around hips nor belly button. Why can't us be measure based on belly button as a waist measure?

1) I don't wear my pants on my waist...hehe...that would mean 80's style!! I wear my pants at belly button level or below...why can't we go by those measurements??? Waist maybe 30 but belly button may measure 35. Why is the fashion industry against women???

2) Why do they say 30" when they actually mean 35'?

Originally Posted by Vex:
I remember in high school back in 1987 (yes old!) I was 145 and wore a 14/16. I had a terrible time because those weren't even sold in normal stores.

I'm pretty sure yeah, you'd have to weigh something like 100 lbs to fit into a 4 or 2.

I'm going to my mother's house in the summer, and I'm planning to find those old 14 jordache jeans (omg!) I had and bring them home with me just to compare them with what I have.

I wish women's would work just like men's sizes.
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We must be about the same age. I posted earlier about how excited I was when I could find a size 12 at The Limited - I was 5'7" and 145 pounds (HUGE among my classmates, there was usually ONE fat kid in your class and I was it, at 145 pounds) - and I had to suck in to get into that 12. I remember finding a pair of Guess jeans in a size 12 on sale and my mom was like, never gonna happen, you have never in your life been a size 12! And 12 was two sizes into the "fat sizes" back then (with ten being the first and 8 being dangerously on the border).

I can remember being FINALLY a comfortable size 12 (I must've had flu or something) and trying on a vintage dress in a size 12 and it wasn't even CLOSE to fitting - the dress was probably from the 50s. Vanity sizing is nothing new.

As it happens, I went shopping with my husband yesterday - for pants. They're doing it for men, too! He tried on probably ten pairs of pants, all the same waist/length and the fit was all over the place and none of them were his actual waist size (measured before he went). GUYS PANTS which are measured BY INCHES are totally lying about the inches, now.

I personally just don't care. Sizes are just numbers. If they creep one way or the other, who cares. So even a fat person can be happy about a size 12? I don't need to take that away from someone to feel better about myself. I just wish there was some standardization so I could more easily pick out my size when shopping (especially online!!!) and not have to take in 15 pairs of pants.

Originally Posted by Sum38:
This is what I think....

Men have it so simple...even a beer gut they measure across their hipbones and wear jeans under their beer belly.

Us women we wear pants higher, let's say just about or around our belly button.

Hips may measure 40" waist may measure 30, but that is not the measurement around hips nor belly button. Why can't us be measure based on belly button as a waist measure?

1) I don't wear my pants on my waist...hehe...that would mean 80's style!! I wear my pants at belly button level or below...why can't we go by those measurements??? Waist maybe 30 but belly button may measure 35. Why is the fashion industry against women???

2) Why do they say 30" when they actually mean 35'?

YES, this EXACTLY! I wear a 29/30 in jeans... but I don't measure that down where I wear my jeans. It doesn't make much sense :P. My husband measures 34" at his hips/waist where he wears his pants. He wears a 34" pant. Go figure! Don't even get me started on inseams. How come they get the whole range and all we get is petite/regular/long? :dizzy: Longs are sometimes too short for me and sometimes I need a regular. There is no rhyme or reason to this, either. Please just give me a measurement in inches!!!

Originally Posted by 98DaysOfSummer:

As it happens, I went shopping with my husband yesterday - for pants. They're doing it for men, too! He tried on probably ten pairs of pants, all the same waist/length and the fit was all over the place and none of them were his actual waist size (measured before he went). GUYS PANTS which are measured BY INCHES are totally lying about the inches, now.

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Yes !!! i thought i was the only one that noticed .... my hubby wears a 36 in most stores but we checked with a measuring tape hes actually 39.5 inches around ....

i knew he didnt look like no damn 36 ... that sure wiped the smile off his face !

Hehe...give me pants that say 35" waist (measured at belly button :) with 30" inseam; meaning 30 inches from my crotch to to the floor :) -- MY DD would need 33" inseam cause she is tall :D AND 27" belly button waist. -- REALLY...would this too much to ask? :lol:
27 waist with 33 inseam for her
35 waist with 30 inseam for me


Life would be so simple!!!

Yep, guys pants lie too! DH is just under 40" at his waist and 36 pants are falling off of him!

Originally Posted by runningfromfat:
Yep, guys pants lie too! DH is just under 40" at his waist and 36 pants are falling off of him!

That must really depend on the brand because everything my husband owns is true to size. And he has been about the same weight for 30 years (he went up twenty for awhile, but is back down) and he has always worn a 32" or a 34" when he was 20 pounds heavier. We just measured his 32s the other day and sure enough - 32. I could wear them no problem as my waist is now 31" (in the morning, sucked in).

Originally Posted by berryblondeboys:
That must really depend on the brand because everything my husband owns is true to size. And he has been about the same weight for 30 years (he went up twenty for awhile, but is back down) and he has always worn a 32" or a 34" when he was 20 pounds heavier. We just measured his 32s the other day and sure enough - 32. I could wear them no problem as my waist is now 31" (in the morning, sucked in).

True....

My DH has stayed the same weight wise (+/- 15 pounds and he is nearly 6'3") during our 20 years of marriage. He takes 34 on Levi's jeans; he likes them loose. He took 34's 20 years ago and I just bought him "umpthteen" pair of Levi's, same ole 34.

Wonder if Levi's for women have changed their sizing over the years?

On other brands as well. I do all his shopping and I have always bought size 34/34. I have never returned anything because of a wrong size.

I think it's two things. 1. the pants are from Old Navy and the vanity sizing and quality control are insane there and 2. He's all waist and no butt/legs so pants have to fit perfectly on him to stay up. ;)

I think all clothing designers/manufacturers should switch womens clothing sizes over to something similar to mens sizes. No 'misleading' numbers on the clothes, just everything spelled out in inches/cm with ACCURATE measurements none of us would have trouble getting the right clothing size.

This would certainly eliminate a lot of the 'snooty'/vanity factor in sizing and let us get on with life instead of stressing ourselves out over meaningless/fictional sizing.

In addition, there should be a uniform language about fit - i.e. relaxed means it will give 2 or 3 inches or something like that.

Just an idea.

Originally Posted by Sum38:
True....

My DH has stayed the same weight wise (+/- 15 pounds and he is nearly 6'3") during our 20 years of marriage. He takes 34 on Levi's jeans; he likes them loose. He took 34's 20 years ago and I just bought him "umpthteen" pair of Levi's, same ole 34.

Wonder if Levi's for women have changed their sizing over the years?

On other brands as well. I do all his shopping and I have always bought size 34/34. I have never returned anything because of a wrong size.

Yep, Sven has worn 32x34 (32x33 if we can find it) from Levi's and Dockers forever and ever. He just has to tell me what color he needs and I go get it.

Precious Little That would be perfect.

i was at target yesterday looking for a shirt for work and i thought of this thread.


i got a tank top and a couple short sleeve shirts.


wait for it ...

XS.


ain't no way my 5'2" 144lb frame is an XS. and it made me think..if i want to lose weight, if i do lose about 20 lbs, what size will i be then??

kids section, i guess.

so i can definitly feel the pain of those who are smaller than me and just want to buy (adult section) clothes at target if they want to. and i don't think it's fair to those who are larger than me, thinking that they "aren't that big".

Originally Posted by valalltogether:
ain't no way my 5'2" 144lb frame is an XS. and it made me think..if i want to lose weight, if i do lose about 20 lbs, what size will i be then??

I'm pudgier right now, but couple of years ago when I was 110 pounds, I had major issues finding clothes that are properly fitting AND age appropriate (I'm 52). At 130 pounds I'm still in most of my 4P clothes, and at 110 lbs I was wearing anywhere from 0P to 2P depending on the brand. Ridiculous. And just for giggles I went to the girls section and found that I fit into a 14 girls. I felt almost penalized for working so hard to lose the weight and get in shape - only to get all frustrated over trying to find new clothes that fit me. I finally found new shops, but still never have a lot of choices. Thank goodness for online shopping.

I vote for sizing by inches and losing the silly arbitrary sizes that mean nothing anymore anyway. Just who are they trying to kid? But, I'm not in the clothing business.

Originally Posted by MBN:
I'm pudgier right now, but couple of years ago when I was 110 pounds, I had major issues finding clothes that are properly fitting AND age appropriate (I'm 52). At 130 pounds I'm still in most of my 4P clothes, and at 110 lbs I was wearing anywhere from 0P to 2P depending on the brand. Ridiculous. And just for giggles I went to the girls section and found that I fit into a 14 girls. I felt almost penalized for working so hard to lose the weight and get in shape - only to get all frustrated over trying to find new clothes that fit me. I finally found new shops, but still never have a lot of choices. Thank goodness for online shopping.

I vote for sizing by inches and losing the silly arbitrary sizes that mean nothing anymore anyway. Just who are they trying to kid? But, I'm not in the clothing business.

Originally Posted by valalltogether:
i was at target yesterday looking for a shirt for work and i thought of this thread.


i got a tank top and a couple short sleeve shirts.


wait for it ...

XS.


ain't no way my 5'2" 144lb frame is an XS. and it made me think..if i want to lose weight, if i do lose about 20 lbs, what size will i be then??

kids section, i guess.

so i can definitly feel the pain of those who are smaller than me and just want to buy (adult section) clothes at target if they want to. and i don't think it's fair to those who are larger than me, thinking that they "aren't that big".

I've started shopping in the kids section actually. Just for pants, since I'm a bit more broad shouldered so it's fairly east for me to still get shirts.

At least the kids section is cheaper....I just have to search for pants that don't have butterflies all over them

I've already mentioned this in other threads, but back when I was 19 I got down to 220 pounds and wore a size 14. That was back in 1995, so with everything that's changed it really makes me wonder what size I'll be in once I get down there again.

For those who can't understand the excitement of getting down to, say . . . a size 12? Some of us have rarely been outside of plus size clothing, if ever. Even with the vanity sizing, at least it gives us the opportunity to shop outside of the ugly, limited plus-sized options. I'm not even small enough to shop at a place like Old Navy, as their plus sizes are only available online.

^^^^I am sort of with you here. I thought I was out of the Plus sizes when I could fit into the misses dept at Target but could not really fit into any other misses dept with the exception of Old Navy. It was good to have those options but still a little misleading. I am still on the cusp and waiting to fit into a misses16 Levi at Macys. That will be my bench mark. I can fit into cloths at NY and Co, so I am happy about that.

I need a spanking for clicking on this thread. I need one even worse for reading the posts and letting these comments affect me. I cannot imagine complaining that I cannot find clothes small enough due to "vanity" sizing. And I cannot imagine saying that we should go back to the way things were when Americans were smaller.

Well guess what? Things aren't the way they were. People are larger. Some designers want to actually sell their products to a large portion of the society. Other designers have a different view. Perhaps you guys should only buy things from designers who cater to "true" thin women and aren't trying to make us fatties feel better about ourselves.

I love the clothes at Top Shop and H&M. I also love Victoria Beckham's line and Rachel Zoe's. Too bad they don't buy into this vanity sizing. I guess my fat butt will just have to head over to Target...

Oh, and I remember back in 1992 when I was in high school and at my lowest weight (170), I could fit into a size 10 (sometimes) / 12 (most of the time). So according to you ladies I was the "victim" of vanity sizing way back then. I had a tiny waist and appeared thin to many people. When did this "problem" start?

Seriously?...

Originally Posted by ValRock:
Seriously?...

Yes, seriously (if that was directed at my last post). It's interesting to me that two people can weight the same but wear different sized clothing. Perhaps some of the sizing issues have to do with your overall shape.

Anyway, this topic triggered me. I'm working hard on trying to feel better about myself while I tackle Mount Everest (this 100 pound weight loss). Topics like these make me feel awful. I wish I could fit into a 16 and the idea that people are writing it's more like a 24 is really discouraging.

Carry on...my feathers just got a little ruffled.

Originally Posted by Resipoo:
Yes, seriously (if that was directed at my last post). It's interesting to me that two people can weight the same but wear different sized clothing. Perhaps some of the sizing issues have to do with your overall shape.

Anyway, this topic triggered me. I'm working hard on trying to feel better about myself while I tackle Mount Everest (this 100 pound weight loss). Topics like these make me feel awful. I wish I could fit into a 16 and the idea that people are writing it's more like a 24 is really discouraging.

Carry on...my feathers just got a little ruffled.

I don't understand why your feathers have gotten ruffled. Thinner women complaining about not being able to find clothing is almost on par with larger women complaining about not being able to find clothing. The point is, a lot of us don't fit into the standard 0-14 clothing sizes and we're made to feel bad about that. They can move the standard around all they want, but someone is going to get left out.

Sure, I could go buy designer clothes where they run smaller, but that costs me more money, just as clothes did when I was plus sized. I'm hardly alone in this too as I see many, many women much more petite than I am! They must have a harder time finding clothes.

The fashion industry sucks. They make us all feel bad about our bodies and force us to clamor to fit inside a limited range of sizes. We shouldn't take this frustration out on other women but rather on the industry. It shouldn't be thin against fat, woman against woman.

This is so stupid. I didn't event realise it was going on and it explains a lot! In December I went to a little shop id never been in before. At home I could barely squeeze into my 18s and probably should of been in 20s. Yet I stepped into this store and I was a size 14! 18s fell off me literally. Huge confidence boost but eventually I came ti the conclusion something was off because I couldn't even really fit into my jeans at home. Now I see why.

Its effecting my mom too. She doesn't think she is as large as she is. She refuses to get on my scale and says "I could fit into a 14 the other day so I'm not too bad!" The last pair if jeans she got probably weren't effected by vanity sizing .

And my aunts came to visit and we were going to give them some clothes and they were really upset that the old 12s wouldn't fit when they were in a 10 for new clothes!

Originally Posted by Resipoo:
I need a spanking for clicking on this thread. I need one even worse for reading the posts and letting these comments affect me. I cannot imagine complaining that I cannot find clothes small enough due to "vanity" sizing. And I cannot imagine saying that we should go back to the way things were when Americans were smaller.

Well guess what? Things aren't the way they were. People are larger. Some designers want to actually sell their products to a large portion of the society. Other designers have a different view. Perhaps you guys should only buy things from designers who cater to "true" thin women and aren't trying to make us fatties feel better about ourselves.

I love the clothes at Top Shop and H&M. I also love Victoria Beckham's line and Rachel Zoe's. Too bad they don't buy into this vanity sizing. I guess my fat butt will just have to head over to Target...

I'm sorry, but just because you can fit into a size 16 at a store that offers vanity sizing, does not make you a size 16. Yes, its a confidence boost, but it doesn't make it true. I could tell myself all day and night that I am a dark haired, tan skinned model but it wouldn't make it true. So pretty much what the stores are doing is LYING to its consumers. Stores should not LIE! Alyj89 pointed out a great reason why. See below.

Originally Posted by :
Its effecting my mom too. She doesn't think she is as large as she is. She refuses to get on my scale and says "I could fit into a 14 the other day so I'm not too bad!" The last pair if jeans she got probably weren't effected by vanity sizing .

See how thats a problem? People stop becoming fully aware of how large they are actually getting. For example, they think "O, I'm a size 14 again just like I was back in college, this is an okay weight"... when really they are pushing 18 and 20s. Do you REALLY think that most people fitting into a size 20 pant are truly healthy? If they are still healthy at the point, they are sure on the path that leads to health issues. If pant sizes had been kept the same, it would be a true and REAL wake up call.

Also, you act like who cares about skinny womens problems. You say you can't find clothes and its unfair to you, how come its not unfair that they can't find clothes either due to sizing issues. You have to go to specialty shops to find clothes (plus-sized stores), and they have to go to designer stores just to find pants small enough for them. It should be considered unfair to both parties. - rant over -

Resipoo Nobody on here is saying that women on the larger of the end of the spectrum don't need cute clothes too!!! I actually would love to see women on BOTH ends of the spectrum in well-fitting, flattering clothes!!

However, finding and producing clothes that fit well on so many body types is extremely difficult as I outlined in my post. Additionally, what's happening is that vanity sizing is making clothing shopping more difficult for many because the size charts don't reflect the actual cut of the clothes. Moreover, women need to wear drastically different sizes at different stores. It's a bit crazy-making considering that more and more women shop online for clothes.

I agree that's it's also an issue because it's hard to see when you put on a few extra pounds. I'm not quite as considered about that effect, though, because I do think it's the person's responsibility to take care of their weight. Furthermore, denial is a very powerful tool (trust me, I know first hand) and if you're really in denial the number on your clothes isn't going to necessarily make you change your habits.

First, I accepted my responsibility for choosing to read this thread. It's my own fault for reading something I knew would upset me. I take the blame. You have a right to your opinions, I just don't agree with them.

Second, to the person that said no one here is saying plus sized gals shouldn't have cute clothes, I say re-read my posts. I never said that.

To the woman that wants to give me blunt advice that just because I wear a 16 it doesn't mean I am one...dear, I wear a 24. I can't wait to be a 16. That's my motivation. Whether you think I'll actually be what you consider a 16 or not. That's what I'm looking forward to, it's one of MY goals. I don't care what you think about the reality of my goal (i.e. I won't REALLY be a 16).

Third, I must say I know many normal weight women. Other than really petite women or really tall women, I don't know any who can't walk into a department store and find clothing. None.

Fourth, to the poster that wrote she can't understand why my feathers were ruffled...it's because I'm beginning a very long journey. I'm really struggling right now and reading posts about "vanity" sizing aren't helpful to me. That's why I admitted (and accepted blame) I shouldn't have read this thread. I'm not in the best place and reading that my size 24s (which I'm very ashamed to be wearing) are really 30s or 32s is a little much for me to take. Now, does that mean that those of you who claim sizing is an issue shouldn't discuss it? No, it means I should be strong and not click on topics I know will only upset me.

Fifth, I never really get all of the complaints about fashion period (another reason I should have avoided this thread). I've never had a problem finding fashionable and affordable clothing. I never purchased jeans from Target so I can't speak to them. But I can give you some options of places to shop that will have clothing "small enough" for you.

The Limited, Ann Taylor, Banana Repulic, Macys, Boston Store, Asos, Top Shop, Nordstroms, Bloomingdales, Neiman Marcus, The Gap, etc.

I shop at many of those places but in the plus sized department. The ones that don't have plus sized departments have good sizing. They also have GREAT sales so if you're struggling to find clothes, try any of these places. Forever 21 is another one with sizing you might like and also has cheap clothes. I'm not a fan because the clothing looks cheap to me. (They also have a plus sized line, Faith 21 for those who wear those sizes as does the Limited, it's called Eloquii).

Anyway, if I haven't made it clear, I'm sorry to myself for reading something I knew would trigger me. I have a problem doing that (I always read the comment sections on articles about obesity knowing the remarks are going to upset me). Maybe I'm some kind of masochist.

Good luck to you guys that are struggling with sizing. I hope you continue to be successful and not fall into the category of people that gain it all back. I've been there and done that. So, all in all, enjoy your thinner selves.

"I agree that's it's also an issue because it's hard to see when you put on a few extra pounds. I'm not quite as considered about that effect, though, because I do think it's the person's responsibility to take care of their weight. Furthermore, denial is a very powerful tool (trust me, I know first hand) and if you're really in denial the number on your clothes isn't going to necessarily make you change your habits."

Who is in denial? Honey, I'm morbidly obese. I wear a size 24. Those are the facts. If I fit into a smaller size, I'd still see the lady in the mirror. I'm not dumb. I don't get why people think that some sizing issue tricks women into believing they are thin? Wouldn't you still have rolls of fat if the sizing were messed up? Wouldn't you still get tired walking up a flight of stairs? Wouldn't you still have health problems related to your weight?

This so called vanity sizing has never made me blind to the fact that I have a serious weight problem.

Originally Posted by Resipoo:
"I agree that's it's also an issue because it's hard to see when you put on a few extra pounds. I'm not quite as considered about that effect, though, because I do think it's the person's responsibility to take care of their weight. Furthermore, denial is a very powerful tool (trust me, I know first hand) and if you're really in denial the number on your clothes isn't going to necessarily make you change your habits."

Who is in denial? Honey, I'm morbidly obese. I wear a size 24. Those are the facts. If I fit into a smaller size, I'd still see the lady in the mirror. I'm not dumb. I don't get why people think that some sizing issue tricks women into believing their thin? Wouldn't you still have rolls of fat if the sizing were messed up? Wouldn't you still get tired walking up a flight of stairs? Wouldn't you still have health problems related to your weight?

This so called vanity sizing has never made me blind to the fact that I have a serious weight problem.

I think it's more about realizing you're on your way to a weight problem and being able to stop it. Like the poster above whose mother thinks she's doing okay because she fits in a 14, but she doesn't realize that it's not the same 14 that she thinks it is. What she thinks she is, might be more like a 10 today. If she knew that what she fits into is really more like an 18, maybe she'd realize that it may be time to take off a few pounds.

Originally Posted by Blueberries:
I think it's more about realizing you're on your way to a weight problem and being able to stop it. Like the poster above whose mother thinks she's doing okay because she fits in a 14, but she doesn't realize that it's not the same 14 that she thinks it is. What she thinks she is, might be more like a 10 today. If she knew that what she fits into is really more like an 18, maybe she'd realize that it may be time to take off a few pounds.

Yes, that's exactly what I was getting at. Resipoo maybe I wasn't clear in my post but in re: denial we're saying the same thing. I was trying to argue that vanity sizing is not necessarily causing denial in regards to weight. Possibly in people who have gained a few pounds over the years but not if you've gained a lot more than that. HOWEVER, and this was what I was alluding to in my post. If you're really truly in denial about your weight (like I was at my highest weight) you're going to ignore every indication that you need help (like I did). So even a higher number on your clothing side can be thought away. I'm just speaking from personal experience here. I was not indicating you were in denial. Not all my words were directed specifically at you because there were a few different issues going on in this thread not just your post.

I'm currently in a 22/24 jeans, so what I find really confusing about vanity sizing is knowing that I was in a 22/24 back in high school, when I actually weighed more than I do now. By all this vanity logic I should be in a smaller size now, right? But I'm not. :halfempty

I honestly don't think it's nearly as prevalent in plus sizes as it is in the single digits.

I was in Scandinavia last spring and I realized that at least Finland had not gotten into vanity sizing.

When I lived there way back when, I was around 100 pounds and size 32. This past summer at 165 pounds I was size 44....

So easy; and when I got back to US, it really motivated me to shed some weight. I was :mad:

Originally Posted by ValRock:
I honestly don't think it's nearly as prevalent in plus sizes as it is in the single digits.

I could be wrong, but I kind of agree with this. The sizing overlap between plus and Miss is super confusing and does not make sense to me, but as far as large dept stores go Macy, Lane Bryant....The sizing seems to be consistent with its self and each other over the years.

I try not to worry about it TOO much, but it's tough when you try not to obsess about weight and more on size. I've bought 2 pairs of the same jeans, same brand, and one was perfect, the other was so small I couldn't get them past my hips.

Originally Posted by Euphy:
I try not to worry about it TOO much, but it's tough when you try not to obsess about weight and more on size. I've bought 2 pairs of the same jeans, same brand, and one was perfect, the other was so small I couldn't get them past my hips.

That is quite true.

I just pulled out some 8's from their hiding place :lol3: They are both Gap brand. One still has tags on because way back when I fit into 8's, I had bought them...and they were too small. I just placed them on top of other pair of Gap jeans, and there was 1 1/2 difference on waist. :fr:

Yesterday I was buying shoes. Some 9s fit me and others didn't (in one pair I had to try on a 10). When this happens, do you consider it "vanity" sizing or just different sizing due to manufacturig?

Somebody mentioned Old Navy as being notorious for "vanity" sizing. I think Old Navy is notrious for screwy sizing period. I'm a 3x everywhere but at Old Navy I can be an XXL (I guess you guys call that "vanity) all the way to a 4x. I find it very problematic because I do a lot of ordering online. You just never know what kind of sizing any item is going to have. I've learned to wait until people review their items before purchasing. And even then it's still questionable whether the item will actually fit.

Some pants are simply cut differently. If you're buying skinny, straight leg jeans and you've got hips, you might find that you're sizing up. If you're very narrow and you're buying something curvy fit, you might find yourself being swallowed by the item. Just depends.

Resipoo I think you need a :hug: