IP Daily Chat Thursday, Jan 20, 2011
 

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Here is a link back to yesterday's conversation:

daily chat Jan. 19, 2011

Listen up Ladies! Birth Control and IP
 

So, I thought I would bring it up just in case. We have many new women on the forum and diet right now. I am curious how many of you have read, heard from others, or heard from your coach that Ideal Protein adjusts your hormones in some instances. Have you also heard that it will mess with your birth control??

YEP! That's right. It has made BC (birth control) less than effective in many cases. It also will cause break through bleeding and spotting. During the past 15 months we have had 8 instances of "unexpected" pregnancy. I say it that way because several of the women wanted children, had even been trying, and hadn't had success or had been told it wasn't possible. GUESS WHAT? As this diet changes you, some of those changes happen too.

SO, with valentine's and other romantic events ahead, if you aren't looking to add to your family, be aware of the need to take extra precautions.

Here is a link to some old discussions about IP, birth control and, IP's impact on TOM.

http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/idea...ontrol-ip.html

Carla, I read in yesterday's post that you like the Costco brand protein drinks. Are they as good as the IP version? I wouldn't mind trying them but you have to buy a boat load (aka case)of them.
So sorry to hear of your uncle's passing.

Good Morning IP'ers......Another COLD day here in Jersey and more snow on the way...Thank u all for the kinds words !!

NSV !! after WI and hitting my 1st goal...I decided to pull out the tote of stuff from my thinner days.....I had 'complained' a few wks ago about my bras being too big... my daughter workd at Victorias secret for years and she got me tons of discounted stuff....I have matching bras and panties in every color and style u can imagine......THEY FIT AGAIN !!.....
..they had only fit for a short time so they all look brand spanking new !! YIPPEEEEE!!!! ....my pups layed on the bed and watched me as I tried every set on and danced the happy jig when they fit !!!

DOLLARNME....u asked if I eat the same stuff every day...I AM a creature of habit so I do tend to have the same protein drinks morning and afternoon..and usually a pudding at night....I have started experimenting w my dinners to spice it up a bit...

Last night's dinner : EVOO, 4 cloves of garlic, 1/2 c canned diced tomatoes,1 large bag fresh kale....simmer til kale is wilted down, adding a bit of water so it does not stick......(serve w 5oz beef,pork,veal or 7oz of fish)....I had leftover pork roast so I had pork with it....so simple and WOW...so DELISH....Hub loved it,too!!

HAVE A GREAT 100% IP DAY !!!

....PS....any fresh leafy green can be used, I have used fresh spinach and collard greens as well !!! All are so easy, healthy, filling and YUMMY!!!

Carla.....WOW, is the only word that I can get to come out of my mouth. You are just so awesome to take the time to read and respond to so many posts!!!! I've been sitting here for 40 minutes just trying to catch up on the posts from last night.. LOL

Regarding my post about my coach and the girl that decided to quit. I need to clarify, my coach is fabulous and not against giving out this forum website. She told me she was going to go on it and read all of the posts as well. She is also on the IP program and I told her about the threads with all of the recipes.

The members on this forum are the best group of people that I've ever come across and it's such a wealth of combined knowledge, it blows me away.

One question. I thought I read way back in November that we can weigh our protein (fish, chicken, beef, etc) after it's cooked. I'm going to have to weigh before and after to see what the difference really is.

I have an off-the-topic question...how do you get the weight indicators and number of pounds lost dudes on your signatures?

As a second question, is there anyone out there who is Type 1 diabetic or on the alternate plan (not very willingly)? Seems like it will take forever going this route, but I understand it has to be this way.

Good morning!

I have my WI#3 today and I am very excited. The only thing I am not happy about is that I get weighed at 5:00 pm since I get off work at 4 so I am heavier than in the mornings, and of course I want to see lower numbers on the scale. :)
Also I have been weighing in my military uniform and I have weighed the diference with and without it and it is like 2 pounds!! Ha ha Ha, I guess I am being just picky, I am still loosing weight and inches so I am very happy.

About the birth control issue, Yes , my coach told me about this when I went to my first appointment. I am not worried though because my husband is deployed and he won't be back until I am already out of the program.

Have a nice day!!!

Hello.

Welcome to the site!!! Read the very first post today about how to get your weight tickler. There are requirements that have to be met before you can get one. :)

NSV!!! Added my pair of cords back into the wearable stack!!! Haven't worn them in forever. And I need them as Texas goes through this "artic blast"! LOL... You know, 50's today... 20's tonight! That's cold for us! Especially when I am constantly freezing on this diet! Anyway, carrot dance for the cords!!! :carrot:

Good luck on your WI today!!! I know what you mean about weighing less in the morning (without clothes) LOL There is a 4-lb difference from the weight I am in the morning and what I will weigh at my WI. But, I try to wear the same weight of clothing each time.

Originally Posted by bulleriina View Post
Is EVO actually 2 tsp or 2 tbsp ???? It is really big difference between calories and fats ???

Carla ♥♥ please, 1-2 tsp or tbsp?

2 tsp I believe

That sounds ok to me but some says 2 tbsp and it adds a lot calories and fat (even that EVO is good fat ):dizzy:

:( I'm stabilizing and still in phase 1:mad:

Have a great IP day everyone, this works (not for me right now ), I can wait!

I just went through this. I had no movement from Dec 23 - Jan 15th. Then finally this week it started moving, and LOTS! I am down 4 pounds since my WI and WI isn't until tomorrow!
Stick with it. Change things up. Have lunch for breakfast and lunch for supper and breakfast for lunch.
You get what I mean. Try some alteration. Go back and read your journal and follow Week 1 to a T.

Good Luck!

So does anyone have a special outfit picked out for Valentines Day...
its a great time to show off your success and have a wonderful evening...
I weighed yesterday and after vacation and pulling myself back together
i was down 2 lbs..I'll take it and gladly....
Have a great IP day...
:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::c heers::cheers::cheers:

WI #2 today. Little bit nervous as my scale at home has not really moved in 3 days. Not sure why as I am only 11 days into IP. I have not cheated and followed protocol. The only thing I know I could do better at is measure my oil intake a bit better. Feeling great though.

Heres to all and a 100% IP day! We can do it.

Good morning beautiful people!!! ;)

This morning I was late and I forgot to take my "thinning" pills (that's what I like to call them) with me!!!!!!
All my vitamins for this morning...do you think I should just take the ones with my supper or take both tonight...will it be too much?

I usually put a week's worth in a plastic carry on but I forgot last night with everything that is going on!!!

Anywho...I was reading on Dr. Tran's site and I got inspired and kept reading over and over again..and I decided that I was going to put in on my mirror on my closet so I will see it every morning! Here it is :

"When you go on a diet, you have the courage to decide that you are going to accept yourself and stop beating yourself up. If you do not make that decision, you might just spend your life at the train station, waiting and waiting. But what are you waiting for? You’re waiting to take charge of your life. You must ask yourself a crucial question: “Am I finally going to decide to accept myself the way I am or am I going to continue to let life pass me by and even have negative thoughts about myself?”

Good morning all,

Question of the day: Is anyone else getting sick of hearing how unhealthy this and it is bad for us to eat protein and lose weight?

My coworkers are driving me nuts! constantly asking what i'm eating, or poking fun of what i'm not eating etc. of course when i tell them the rate at which i am losing they go into orbit!

The way i see it is this- i am eating more nutrition now than i was. 4 cups veggies a day, greens, lean proteins, vitamins and water. sure, maybe less calories, but overall way more nutrition. it's got to be good for your body compared to the pastries, chips and big macs, we all know that, right?

anyone care to chime in on this one?

have a great day all!

W2 last night...Down another 6lbs! thats 12.6 in 2 weeks! I love this program!

My coach game me the detox prgram last night to start today. Has anyone done the Novi Cleanse. I'm worried about how my body will react to the "cleanse" as I'm not having any problem right now "cleansing". I do understand that it's more about the Detox of my system, I just wanted to hear what other might have experienced from it.
Thanks
Jamie

I forget to take my pills all the time, I just take them all at dinner. My coach said this is fine as long as I take them.

I work in health care and heard this over and over, IN FACT, I was one of these chirpers over a year ago.
NOW....most of those ladies are on this diet, INCLUDING me!
It's what we feel, its what we think. We are taking the steps to a better healthier us. Unless they research it and learn about it, they have no idea what it is about.

And no one said it better than Dave

The skeptics can kiss my steadily shrinking butt!

Have a great day!

Thanks you!!! I will take them tonight!!! And that will probably take 1L of water by itself haha

CONGRATS on your weight loss!!! :carrot:
I loved doing the detox the first time I did it. I lost weight and you feel good :)

Can pickled okra in a jar be eaten on phase 1? I have not looked at the lable, but would think you might be able to if you can eat pickles from a jar which are pickled cucumbers. As long as it was 0/0/0 it would be ok right?

If it is 0/0/0 You are allowed

Warning...Long Message!
 

Welcome and congratulations! I can smell everything now, yes. It's great to see more people from LA here. Who Dat? We're gonna BE dat! :D

Can't wait to see what you lose! You've been doing great...was kinda wondering about you the last day or so. I had cut calories to 1500 and started exercising, but I just really wasn't into it. I kept making excuses, and now I really am committed to IP.

Awesome! Congratulations, but don't let the loss with cheating reinforce the behavior! That's something I struggle with, and didn't lose anything (actually gained) on week two.

2 pounds on VACA! Yes, ma'am, that rocks! I bet your husband is loving the way you look, especially because YOU love the way you look.

Carla, I am saddened to hear about your uncle, but know that his life must have been greatly enriched by having you in it. Just here, to virtual strangers, you are so generous and compassionate.

Congratulations on getting through day 3! Thanks for starting the thread today!


I was NOT told this! Thank you. I was wondering why I got TOM TWICE(!!!) this month when I'm normally very, um, normal. :D As for the birth control, Ladies...be careful when you BCBC! (brown chicken brown cow, aka bowchickabowwow...you know what I'm talking about here!)

THIS is one of my mini-goal rewards! I used to work for VS and loved all my pretty sets, then I outgrew them. I got mad one day and tossed them, so I will buy all NEW pretty sets when I get to goal!
I'm also a creature of habit, and tend to eat/drink the same thing everyday. I'm a little worried that eventually my body will get used to it, but then I'll just change things up. As for right now, it's working wonderfully for me! 15 pounds in three weeks and tight shorts falling off! :carrot:

I gave my coach the link to our forum (yes, OUR, taking ownership, lol). He was pleased to know there's such a strong support group and likes the knowledge I'm gaining. I know they like the money, but I find they're really interested in getting us healthy!
As to the weighing, I did that and found it's about an ounce difference. For my body, that doesn't have an impact, but for others it might! Do what works for you!

I'm not a diabetic, but :bravo: for starting IP despite obstacles! Welcome!

Carrot dance for the cords!!! :carrot::carrot::carrot:

You can do it! You've been doing so well, we're all here for you. Hope your weigh-in goes well!

I forget my vitamins ALL the time! I take them all with supper, when my six-year-old reminds me that we have to take our vitamins together. Get them in, and you'll be ok.
What a wonderful quote! Thank you for sharing. This is exactly how I feel.

Do you guys have lunch together? Have they noticed how much healthier yours looks! I think they have a case of jealousy.

Let us know how the cleanse works, please! I'm curious, but kind of a chicken. Congratulations on your loss!

Pumped up to start Week 4! I can't believe so much time has passed already and I love the way I feel. Thanks for the support, ya'll. The sense of community really helps.
Mad love to you all, have an awesome IP day!

Oh, and I almost forgot...COUTS, you rock for being so supportive! Seems you congratulate everyone. Thank you.

Just check the sodium count and look for sugar alcohol.

Read what Crystal88 said here: IP Daily Chat - Wed. 10 Nov. 2010, post 59... EXCELLENT response to naysayers...

hugs :hug:

OK i have attached the carb count spreadsheet that i got from my clinic. I must say that HOLY COW I am going to have to do net carbs. it isn't possible for me to only take in 20-25 carbs when my chocolate drink has 9 my strawberry pudding has 6 and my vanilla pudding has 3. and then i take in 1 with my rtd vanilla portion that i put in my coffee. that's 19 just from the packets!!!! and the vegetables have a lot more than i thought. I am going to recalculate things taking away the fiber from the carb amount and see if this makes it easier. I think i must have REALLY been doing like 40 or something a day. maybe that's why i have been hungrier, wonder if that was enough to get me out of ketosis.
on the birth control not. i take loestrin24 which makes you have a very short cycle and i honestly only get a light flow every couple months, cause i have always had light and short periods. this last week i noticed for 2 days i had spotting. kinda freaked me out so i was reading past posts on the bc issue. I ended up calling my doc and she totally said yes for sure such a quick release of fat cells releases more estrogen into the system (since that's where a lot of estrogen is stored) so my pills may not be as effective. she said she would just take extra precaution if she was me. after talking to my boyfriend we have just decided to put it in the hands of the gods and i will continue to take my bc as usual. honestly, i'm not really wanting to lose all this weight and then get prego and we really can't afford it. but i wouldn't be too terribly upset. ;)

Have a great day everyone!!!!

Got it! Thanks. I obviously skimmed that part. I have only been a member for a day so got a few more to go.

I think you have to be a member for 20 days with 20 posts.

Weight tickler... I love that hee hee!

Goodmorning everyone I sure love when I get the time in the morning to read everyones questions statements and comments.

We are all doing so good and everyone seems to be quite content..just the way I like it!

Potty mouth!
I have had a problem with the Big C for 3 days now. I usually take floralax (an ip product) but I ran out and didn't make it to my clinic til yesterday (realized I had to go because I really needed to go! lol) So I double dosed yesterday and finally became unC'd this AM but boy are my guts and stomach talking now! Hopefully along with the bowel movement (gross) there will be a scale/weight movement! Both have been stuck for days! LOL

So Carla posted on another thread that there are people on the daily thread that are wondering about phasing off prior to surgery and recomendations for recover.
I will speak to this as I have had a round of HUGE surgeries during my IP experience. I phased off IP I think maybe a few weeks prior to my surgery. I did phase 2 & 3. Some people will not have to do this but please consult with your physician prior to making any changes. Mine wanted me to be pretty carb loaded due to the time spent on the operating table.
I was not cleard to go back on IP for quite some time and simply tried to pair my foods together as I was taught in phase 4. For example... If I had carbs I had protein as well so that my inculin and glucagon levels did not spike so high.
My case is probably a little differient than others will be since my surgery was so intensive. Best advise is consult your physician prior to any changes and make a plan.
I did attept IP again after I was cleared but had some more medical stuff happen and was put on steroids. I sort of gave up after that since I was gaining weight even being compliant (side effect of steroids) I then went on vacation.
I am happy to say that I am no longer on steroids and am back from vacation and on day 2 of my program again. It has been really hard for me to get back into the swing of things but I am trying to be kind to myself.
If you have any other questions or need any advise for upcoming surgeries feel free to pm me!!!

I haven't been here since last week. I was discouraged because I was having a hard time, taking the vitimins, getting regimented, and drinking water. It was my first week afterall. I was not happy with my couch for IP, she lacks knowledge. I went in for my first weigh in and I lost 4 lbs. I thought I should have lost more, I had stuck to the plan (I thought), I did have 2 pieces of gum and I added "0" everything creamer to my coffee. When I went to weigh in (On Monday) they didn't have the same tape measure so it appears I gained inches in some places and lost in others. Go figure. I then went to pick out my product only to fund slim pickens' which made me more frustrated (the order wasn't in yet, I bought 2 boxes and said to call me when the order comes in, NO CALL and it's Thursday). I went home and ate a piece of cake (LOL). I went right back on it, I feel great since my body has adjusted to less, and I'm not having hunger pains. I've organized my vitamins and I'm taking them at scheduled times and my water count is up. Had my BP checked on Monday and it was down to 134/71, which is great for me. So as long as I feel better, regardless of weight, I will carry on! Hugs!:cool:

They are higher in protein and a calories. They do include some added vitamins. I like them. As an alternate they are a good replacement. The flavor is right (for me) and the texture is creamy.

I was hesitant at first too. I decided to do it anyway. I tried them while I was on break and used them to keep the protein level up in my diet. Now, they are just a convenient extra. BF is still using them so, we have them in the house mostly for him. He has a picky palette and tends to think they are pretty good.

:congrat: What a nice way to spend your day!! I love pretty lingerie! So happy you are able to wear yours!!

Dinner sounds DELISH!! I have done the kale before and it really is a yummy, hearty side dish.

I am glad your coach is fabulous. (I wasn't trying to imply she wasn't.) Regarding my comment about switching, sometimes people need to find a coach that is a good motivator for their personally. You know how we click with some people and not with others? Personality matters a great deal when it comes to finding the right coach. The most knowledgeable coach can rub someone the wrong way or not be able to motivate them. It really is ok to find a right fit and I hope that client finds what it takes to motivate them.

Precooked, post-cooked... that is the question. :) Yes, you can do a post-cooked measurement. It is not on the protocol though. You will find if you do post cooked you may get a 1/2 oz to 1 oz difference. WHY? Because a 7oz precooked piece of meat contains fat and fluids that cook out. You are left with a 5oz piece of whole meat. This means you are getting more calories (protein and fat) than if you had "shrunk down" a 5 oz piece. It is not something to through you out of ketosis. It may stall you a bit if you are close to goal when the portion size really begins to matter.

AND, although we can not convert carbs to protein, EXCESSS PROTEIN that is unused by the body is converted from protein to "sugars aka glucose" so, too much protein at a sitting and you might spike your insulin. You might also pull yourself out of ketosis.


I had that issue, sort of. I always went by my official weigh in but, I also always weighed at home, in the morning and kept track of my real weight. It helped me to not freak out. If you are consistent with your weigh in time and attire, although the number will be higher, the losses should be real.


1Tbsp oil(14g) - 14 g fat and 124 cal

1tsp oil (4g)- 5g fat and 40 cal

you can see that a tablespoon is almost 3 times more than a tsp. So two tablespoons is nearly 6 times more. For some people, that added difference from 2tsp (10g fat and 80 cal a day) to 2tbsp (28g fat and 248 cal) is HUGE. It is enough to stall them.

Try to stay at 2tsp a day. If you have a reason go up by 1 tsp (almost at 1TBSP at that point). Very few need to go all the way to 2 tbsp.


It is not uncommon for a great week one to be followed by an average or low week 2. SO, if it happens, don't stress and move on. You will find next week goes better.


it is definitely a common topic. :) One of the old posters use to have a saying, "it is non of my business what other people think of me." I think it goes with this too. What they think of YOUR diet is their business. If they keep it up, just start asking them about THEIR healthy diet. I am sure there are a few "ding dong" or "oreo" bombs you can blow up! :)

YES!! I love my okra! Just look for one that is low carb and doesn't have a sugar in the ingredients.

Thank you! He really was a great person. Very kind and a gentle soul. He taught me about horses, how to ride a motorcycle, how to drive a car, and how to water ski. I always loved summers at his farm house with my cousins. He was 90 years old so, he lived a long life. He is actually my great uncle (grandma's brother). With him passing she is the last of her immediate family alive. That knowledge is a bit hard on her this week.

Thanks, again! It wasn't as hard getting here as I thought! YEAH! Now to get into next week. :) I was hoping to give Sheila a break. I will have to message her.

Some coaches forget to tell ladies about the BC issues. Some male coaches aren't aware of it. Definitely expect that you could have fluctuations and changes as a result of the hormone changes. In my case, my cycle shortened up! NOT a desired result in my book! :mad:

It is INCREDIBLY hard to get in the 20 to 25 carb range as whole carbs and use packets. You can do it on Atkins using meat only but, that is harder on the kidneys relative to our plan. You would have to use the lowest puddings and soup packets and only greens and lettuce to make it in that range, whole carb on our plan and, I THINK, the greens would have to be raw much of the time. Definitely plan to do net carbs!

DEFINITELY! If you are around or above 40g of carbs, that IS the window where some people start to come out of ketosis. A lucky few can stay in ketosis until about 70g but, the majority of people are out of ketosis in the mid 40's. A low carb diet is still considered to be below 125g but, it is not a ketogenic diet. If you are dancing around in and out of ketosis you will be hungry, possibly losing muscle, have some cravings, and, sometimes, feeling a bit more emotional or irritable.

Agreed! Everyone is pretty content right now. :)

I have to try that floralax this time. I had big C issues and would like to avoid it this time round. Nice to know it works so well! ;)

NSV!.. after whining & feeling sorry for myself & generally being a big baby a couple of days ago because I still wasn't losing my jelly belly, I was surprised this morning to find that the black jeans, size 10, I wore to a party on Dec. 10 (they were tight then, but I could get them on & zipped) are actually a little bit loose now!!!.. ah, such relief!.. I was almost ready to give up, phase off, & just forget about ever losing that darned tummy pouch... maybe it's still shrinking after all, just more slowly than before... nope, not giving up now!.. IP is the BEST!!!..

hugs :hug:

Good for you! that is such an awesome feeling!!:carrot:

Back from WI #2 - lost 8.2# this week for a total of 17.8 in the 11 days I have been on IP. Lost 2.5" from my chest, 2" from my waist and 1" from my hips. It was a great WI. Around 16% body fat lost. This is working quickly and I feel I can keep doing this.

I wish you all well in your IP journey. I have a ways to go, but it has been great so far.

Thanks for the support in this forum!