IP Daily Chat - Thursday 9/23/2010
 

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Good Morning everyone!

I guess I ended up posting this on wed. I was reading some of the posts from later last night. I was amazed at the price difference with new life styles diet? 12.50 a box is way cheaper than 24.00 a box.

I am hoping when I do WI next Thursday that I am in the 140's. I am going to stay out of the kitchen as much as possiable today as this day is a hard day for me, would have been 21 years still hurts some but hasn't even been two years yet. My daughter is having surgery on tuesday so i will be taking my bars, etc with me for the haul.

Hope you all have a good day.

New Lifestyles products
 

Sheila, it's less convenient for me to get alternative products, so I haven't used them. There's some information about alternative products, including New Lifestyles, in the IP Food Alternatives sticky. There are probably some lurking quasi-former members who after the first few weeks switched to alternative products for the budget savings.

Waking up to a great day and feeling positive about this lifestyle change. The pounds may not seem to be moving, but the inches are! Hmmm, does that mean the fat is just migrating around and eventually I'll have 36" ankles?

sending hugs
:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

been there; I know of no words to make it better, but it matters to us that you are feeling sad. Don't let the day derail you, though. YOU matter!!

Good Morning
 

Good morning, I hope that every wone makes it through their day with little stress.

I don't remember who suggested it, but i had the crispy cereal today with some tea flavored with cininomion and vanilla, so good almost like a chi tea with out the milk. Thanks for all the wonderful suggestions and support on this forum.

Whishing everyone the best.

Dear IP friends, I need a PEP talk! I am drinking over 100 oz of water per day, I am weighing and measuring, and I haven't even come close to cheating. The only thing I do have trouble with is my schedule doesn't allow me to eat every 4 hours. Breakfast drink is at 7, lunch is at 12, Dinner is at 5-5:30 and my snack is at 8. After a nice first 2 weeks, (14 pounds), I have stalled. My scale at home has only moved .5 pounds in 2 weeks. I am feeling so discouraged. Inches have slowed too. I have added walking every other day. TOM is completely messed up, used to be like a clock--last month 5 days early, this month 5 days late and still waiting! PMS is OOC, and I need some help! I am also at the weight where I stall at every diet I have ever done. Please help me get past this road block!!!! I am getting desperate. How can I possibly consume less than 1000 calories a day for 14 days and see such small results when others do so well? I am sure I am not the only one that has faced this -- Any suggestions?

Good morning all !

Can Carla or anyone give me clear information on exactly why we cannot have pop/soda on this plan? I have some info in my manual but it is really unclear and complicated. Is it the pancreas that is put into action or is just that it changes the alkalinity of the body? Thanks in advance for any clear, simple info you can give me.

Thanks and have a great day everyone !

How about this:

Prof. Dr. Carlos Alexandre Fett Faculty of Physical education at UFMT with masters in nutrition at UFMT Laboratory of Medical fitness and Metabolism -

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FINISH DRINKING A CAN OF SODA **

First 10 minutes: 10 spoonfuls of sugar strike your body, 100% of the recommended total daily allowance. You do not vomit immediately from the extreme sweetness, because the phosphoric acid cuts the taste.

20 minutes: The sugar level in the blood explodes, bringing about an insulin spurt. The liver responds transforming all the sugar that receives into fat (which is a lot at this particular moment).

40 minutes: The caffeine absorption is complete. Your pupils dilate, the blood pressure raises, the liver responds pumping more sugar in the blood current. The receivers of adenosine (not sure if that is the right word as I translated this article) in the brain are blocked to avoid dizziness.

45 minutes: The body increases the production of dopamine, stimulating the centers of pleasure in the body. (Physically, it works like with the heroin.)

50 minutes: The phosphoric acid pushes calcium, magnesium and zinc to the large intestine, increasing metabolism. The high doses of sugar and other sweeteners increase the excretion of calcium in the urine, that is to say, you are urinating your bones, one of the causes of the OSTEOPOROSIS.

60 minutes: The diuretic properties of caffeine go into action. You urinate. Now it is guaranteed that you will eliminate more calcium, magnesium and zinc, of which your bones would need. As your sugar high drops you will undergo a sugar shock. You become irritated. You will already have eliminated everything what was in the refreshment, but not without first also eliminating things which your organism will need.

And this is what some give their children? This is why diabetes and obesity exist at such young ages, AVOID giving sodas as a reward for finishing his food (hamburgers, hot dog, pizza, etc) especially coke. Do you really love your children? Think about this before drinking sodas.

THANKS ! for your quick reply......Would this be for 'diet' soda as well?

Stuck
 

I must be on the same boat. OK, yesterday when I went weigh in I talked to my Coach about having the big C. I have had a BM daily but it has been so minor and feel like my bloating and C has held me back for 1 to 1/2 weeks. She suggested at stool softner and make sure I am taking the CalMag lunch and dinner. Well followed her instructions and low and behold at 5 a.m. I woke with severe burn in my stomach and the big D. It lasted about 1 hour and then calmed down to let me sleep about another hour. I have a little one so I can't sleep in ever. Well that moved the scale about 3 lbs. I wouldn't suggest it but the big C might be an issue. I'm sure some of the lbs is water but just seeing the scale for a minute has boosted my energy to get going as it will come off. Do something good for yourself and get moving I say. I look at all the tickers of everyone and that gets me going. Remember it didn't take 14 days to put the weight on so it will take time to take it off too.
You can do it just push trough it.

FatnFunky,

YOU can do it! By what I read on here, your body will let go of the weight. Just keep on track and soon you will see it happen. I haven't seen any change by my home scale this past week. But then, I did have a slip this past weekend. I'm hoping by my WI tomorrow, I will see a move downward. I write in a journal every night and told myself in it last night that I will win this battle. It is so easy to get discouraged when we don't see a lost, but I would bet that if we stick to this plan, in the months to come, we will be thinner! One day at a time, turns into a week, and then into a month. Just think how good we will feel when we win this battle of weight lost.

On a side note, last night when I walked the dog, I carried a hand weight of 2 pounds. Pumping it in the air off and on. Too my surprise, after a mile or so, I was amazed at how heavy two pounds are. Started thinking about how I had lost over 5 of those hand weights put together. When you compare it with something like that it really makes you think.

Morning all! Yesterday was a rough day. I just felt really weird. This is my second week on IP and I know that they said in the first week you could feel light headed and sick to your stomach. Well thats how I felt yesterday. Any idea's for why? :?:

Tomorrow is my second weigh in! I'm so excited. The only thing I hate about my weigh in days....I do it in the afternoon after lunch. But then again...that will get me down to the true weight I want! Does everyone wear the same clothes each week to weigh in?

MereBear when you are feeling light headed etc take a 1/2 tsp of sea salt in a glass of water. I was talking to my coach yesterday and we need the extra salt to keep our electrilits in balance because we are not getting the sugar our bodies are used too.

You can do it....I too had a bit of a slow down where I only lost 1 or 2 lbs for a few weeks, but then thinks geared up....stick to the plan --- it works!!!:hug::hug:

Start of Day 4!!!
 

Good morning!

You guys really are an inspiration!
I still have my question on ketosis though. When I read through the boards, its sounds like some kind of nervana! I'm not sure I'm there...

I am not hungry and don't have cravings (except maybe for a glass of wine after work, but that's just habit because it was my comfort, relax thing). I can't say I have a lot of energy though. I've been sleepier than normal the last two evenings. The last two mornings I've had a very mild headache first thing and I rarely have headaches.

The good news is that my scale says that I've lost almost 4 pounds as of this morning. I just wonder what this ketosis feeling is?

Top of the Monin' to All!!
 

Good Thursday Morning....here's to another wonderful IP day!!
Everyone is doing great on the Hallowe'en Challenge, if you haven't posted this weeks weight be sure to do it!!
I have up my water to 112 -128 and have lost every day since I started that, somedays only .6 of a lb, but it is a lose!!! So drink, drink, drink your water!!!;);););)

all sodas are bad... think about it, you can use it to remove rust from your car engine and to clean toilet bowl...regular or diet... it eats at your bones

Lol. Lord help us if that's what going to happen. I can't even imagine 36" cankles. Sheesh.
:D

Good Morning kaarin....sounds like you are in ketosis if you are not hungry all the time is a great sign. Make sure you are getting the right amount of sea salt, that should help with the headaches (gotta keep you electrolytes up). Your energy should pick up, just make sure you are getting all the protein you are supposed to. The IP packs are specifically formulated for us to ensure we get the protein we need. :hug:

I was just on the NewLife site and it looks like most of their shakes and puddings have fructose as one of the 1st or 2nd ingredients and that is a no no for us!

We started exactly the same day and I have only lost a few more pounds than you. I wouldn't worry. Are you measuring your foods, along with your olive oil and sea salt. Are you eating any restricted items? I have only had 3 in the past 5 weeks. It will happen! :hug:

Good morning, all. I survived my travel day. I ate my "regular" meal at lunch because my flight to TX was right after work. I brought along a bar - which was a good thing, since my flight was delayed and the layover didn't allow me enough time to find anything to eat. I even brought my granddaughters the 2 peanut packages from the plane. I brought my IP packets and shaker, and I'm ready for a great weekend. We may be going to the TX state fair tomorrow, but I think I can handle it. My DD knows I'm on IP, so I won't be tempted to cheat while we're there. Today, I'll go to the store and buy my salad fixin's and I'll be all set

FatnFunky ... I can't remember where I read this at but it helps me get through my plateaus. As you put on the weight there were times that your weight stayed around the same, no matter what you were eating. It's the same way on the way back down. Your body will just stall out at random weights while it readjusts. Just stick to the protocol and things will get moving along soon enough. I lost 14 lbs my first week and then stalled out for about 6 days... and now after three weeks I've lost 22 lbs... so it all evens out in the long run :)

FatNFunky
So I think by my calculations you have averaged -4.67 week, total down 14.5/4 weeks???? whooop whhoopppp..... that is fantastic:carrot::carrot:. A true plateau is no movement for 30 days, yes your body will adjust at certain times but if you a following the program it is working :hug: do not get discouraged, dont base your journey on others results. Are you going to the bathroom? Water, salt, oil, veggies..... what has changed since the first 2 weeks, it can be something as simple as sugar free gum or mints that can have a negative affect, really look at your journal, weigh and measure everything and write down everything. My motto is dont fail the program it wont fail you, it is tried, tested and true. PS I love your name but soon you will have to change your name to ThinNFunky:)

Mornin' everyone. Today is my first official WI... wish me luck... I'm off to see the wizard.

After being stalled, I finally dropped 1 1/4 pounds overnight and am now down 20 pounds! YAY!

When I first started this program I couldn't even visualize myself having a waist or thin legs, it had been so long. Now I can imagine it, which is delightful, and seeing it starting to happen in the mirror, is even better.

Today I put on a blouse that I bought a few years ago - it was kind of aspirational even then, because the sleeves were tight. So I never wore it, since my arms looked terrible in it. Today, it's loose around the arms. (The arms still need some shape but I'll take the progress!)

I'm still pretty new to the IP diet. I'm in week 3. But today I had a moment that makes all the salad and vegetables worth it. While I've only lost 8.5 lbs I'm sure the inches are coming off faster as I have baggy butt syndrome in all of my pants. Today I opened up my jeans drawer and pulled out that pair of "someday I'll fit into them" jeans. THEY FIT!!! Not only did they fit they were a bit loose. I have never been happier. It's the motivation I needed when I was starting to feel down about this diet. For those of you that have been doing this for a while, you know what I mean. So thanks 3FC for being there for me in the good times and bad!

I saw this on yesterday's thread and had to respond.

Let’s take a look at this from a different perspective. Instead of veggies, insert chicken. Is there a difference between frying chicken and chicken stir fry? Is one healthier than the other? Of course!

A person doesn’t go to a restaurant and order ‘fried veggies’ unless we’re talking about fried green tomatoes, for example. A side of veggies in the cooking world almost always means steamed or sautéed.

When I read the Phase 1 sheet and it says “No Frying or Breading” I take that to mean “No Fried Chicken” and not “No Pan-seared Chicken” and, by extension, “No Fried Green Tomatoes” and not “No Sautéed Vegetables.” That can be extended to fried fish, fried shrimp or french fries, but I just can’t get to fried veggies from there…

Green Peppers, for example, need to be cooked according to Phase 1 protocol. I grill my peppers most of the time, but have no problem sautéing them in a sauté pan (which some people refer to as a frying pan) with my daily amount of olive oil along with some zucchini.

I prefer the term "pan-searing" to "pan-frying" when it comes to cooking meat and fish because it's more accurate. It occurs at slightly lower heat (medium, as opposed to medium high) to ensure that the meat is thoroughly cooked without burning the outside of the meat. Adding salt alters the protein structure on the outside of the meat, which allows it to brown more effectively, thus enhancing the flavor.

Sautéed vegetables cooked with a smaller amount of oil (as per Phase 1 protocol) will also need to be cooked at lower heat to ensure that they don’t burn. Sautéing for me means that I toss my veggies in the pan frequently. I’m cooking, not caramelizing, and I don’t want them to burn. I want them cooked but not overdone. Sauté does not mean soggy. I never "turn" my veggies (who needs a spatula when you've got a good sauté pan?), and I flip my meat once during pan-searing because it cooks evenly that way.

I hope that makes sense.

On a related note, I find myself wondering if Carla or anyone else has access to a revised Phase 1 sheet that could be posted.

First, take a deep breath. Exhale. Then again. It will be alright. :hug:

From what I've read -- Wannabe may be pulling from the same reference -- a plateau on IP is defined as no weight loss for 30 days while complying with the program.

A couple of program related questions:
- What supplements are you taking?
- Are you getting the required amounts of oil?

More "situational-type" questions:
- Are you hungry?
- Do you have cravings?
- What is your level of energy?
- How is your sleep?
- How do you feel about doing another 2 weeks on Phase 1?

You're frustrated and probably a bit scared to see the scale stay at the same number. Sometimes our bodies are cycle between healing and fat burning. That may be what's happening for you. Would you be willing to put the scale away for two weeks?

What has your coach told you?

About the menstrual cycle changes: Many women experience a change in their menstrual cycle. IP and other low carb programs eliminate the stimulus (simple carbohydrates) for insulin release from the pancreas. The pancreas is just one player in the endocrine system which includes the adrenals, the ovaries, the pituitary, and others. If you change the amount of one particular hormone in the system, the others will be affected. Also, estrogen is stored in body fat, so as you burn fat it's as if you've gained an ovary or two.

Ah-ha! So that's where those ovaries came from! :rofl:

Well you do want to get rid of them, don't you? They wouldn't look so good in either your animal print or your Santa Claus Speedos!

Good Luck!:crossed:

small NSV for me: just as I am starting my salad & vanilla rtd (almost same lunch everyday - but I am only on day 6). Anyway, I found a ziploc bag of Kettle baked potato chips that I brought last week for lunch (I was cleaning out my junk food by eating it!). Only slight hesitation as I tossed the ziploc in the garbage. All of YOU warning us about cheats worked. Thanks!

HI Everyone,

The last couple of weeks have been crazy busy for me! Plus, I've been dealing with some health "yuck". Grrr....

Sounds like everyone is doing great and working hard to stay on plan. Good job! Keep it up!

Hello everyone! It's been a few days since I've checked in but just wanted to say hello! I was reading over today's thread and just wanted to comment to those who may be in the early weeks of the program. I was just talking with my coach last night and we were looking over my chart and how much has been lost so far. Weeks 4 & 5 I only lost about 2 pounds each week. She mentioned that sometimes your body can give you some resistance when your body is switching over from burning carbs to burning fat. I know that some coaches say that you burn that down the first 3 or 4 days. But for me, who wants to lost 100+ pounds, it was about week 5 before I really started to notice some substantial loss from week to week.

Hang in there, keep following the protocol and it will kick in!!

Good Morning All!

I have a couple of questions:

1. I tried linking several quotes so I could respond to individuals, and I did look at the sticky about it. I got the part about hitting the multiple links but when I go to do my post I cannot find the button to press to make them show up in my post.

2. Yesterday I mentioned that my coach said celery and cukes are unlimited and someone commented that they are...I think that is what she said..so are they or aren't they.

3.Rhubarb? Is it allowed as a non restricted? I am only in week two. I keep hearing people talk about it but not sure where it fits in.

4.Thank you all for your answers and encouragement and sending out encouragement to you all today and hugs to those who need it today. I appreciate you all. Coming here helps so much and if I am tempted to cheat I come here and read some posts and think about what I would be giving up if I did cheat.

Blessings,
Ciebelle

If you are not hungry don't worry about the 4 hour requirement. REALLY... if you are hungry you should eat but, if you aren't you are ok. Some people need to eat every 2 to 3 hours others can go 6 very easily. Just make sure you get in all your food each day.

If the scale is moving, you are slowed down NOT stalled. I hate to say that but, it is true and it happens. Your body will make adjustments as you do this program. DO NOT expect that you will have a linear weight loss it is rare and very few people lose the same or close to the same each week.

There are many things that effect weight loss. One of them is stress so, first things first, free yourself of the expectation to meet a certain weight loss goal each week or a mini goal by a certain date. If you are doing the program as written, your body may fight you but, you will win! :)

Another issue is menstruation. Women are unlucky enough to have to deal with it and for some women it can really slow you down for 1 or 2 weeks. If that is your case, look at a 4 week window of loss before you worry. I literally slowed down 2 weeks out of every month because of the way my hormones and related water weight effect me.

If your TOM is effected you are probably experience a major hormone shift. Let your body adjust to the changes. Keep doing what you are and it will eventually give you the results.

If you are not eliminating your bowels well, the BIG C, then you can have these issues too. Make sure you are talking with your coach. There are several techniques or products you could try to get things moving.

Are you getting enough oil? Are you taking omega oil too? Some people can't lose if they don't have at least 30% fat in their diet. It might be worth exploring.

If you are sure you are measuring and weighing everything, not adding any extra foods not on the program, watching your portions, getting in all of your salt, water, and supplements, then I can't think of any other considerations.

Do be patient with yourself. It is HIGHLY NORMAL to hit points our body was comfortable at before and just "hang around for awhile". Remember YOU want to lose weight but YOUR BODY wants to create homeostasis. Homeostasis is basically your body trying to create a state of equilibrium, where all body systems are working and interacting in an appropriate way to fulfill all the needs of the person and/or the body. It allows the cellular structure and bodily needs to be met consistently DESPITE or IN SPITE of whatever external forces are being exerted on them. That said, overtime you will win but, the body generally will get the upper hand to begin with. You are forcing many changes on your body -hormones, metabolic processes, reduction in fluid and blood volume, changes in energy sources and changes in blood pressure. If your body needs time to adapt, relax and let it happen. Continue to "coach" it to how you want it to respond by staying on the plan. Let it figure out how it can do that an still maintain what you need on a cellular level. It became "happy" and comfortable at a certain level of body fat and was familiar with how to operate there. As you lose, you may find your body recognizes certain points it operated at fairly easily and just wants to hang around awhile.

I know, I personify this a little too much perhaps but, really, it isn't just about you and your will power. We are a highly complex machine that self-regulates. It isn't like we can control it all!

You are doing great! Just stay to the plan and look at your results on a monthly basis instead of day to day or weekly.
:hug:

Elizabeth gave a great reply. No, part of it doesn't apply to diet soda, you don't get the sugar rush but the other parts still matter.

Related to this diet, the caffeine push is not the concern, we are allowed coffee and tea.

The big reason for not having soda is the phosphoric acid. The phosphoric acid robs your body of essential nutrients and changes you from a more alkaline PH to a more acidic PH. It essential has a negating effect on the calcium and magnesium we take each day.

Soda also can stimulate appetite for some people. So, it might be removed to prevent a trigger for a craving.

I know several people on this plan that have lost successfully and large amounts while drinking soda. It is not the plan, it is not preferred but, for some people it isn't a problem. Also, I know some coaches that will allow it in moderation if it means a person is able to stick to the plan and get the overall results as opposed to going off and using foods that aggravate the pancreas, upset ketosis and weight loss.

Some may say it is the citric acid which can cause an insulin spike. Yes, for a very, very small number of people it is possible that may happen.

I have read that some dislike soda because of a theory that the citric acid kicks off the krebs cycle (normal energy production in the body) and removes us from the Cori Cycle which we are in for ketosis. I have not yet found anything that strongly proves that belief.

Others may say it is the aspartame. It isn't. This diet was originally designed around, and obtained great results, using Stevia in one country and Aspartame in another country. The sweetener is not the problem many people successfully manage ketogenic diets with aspartame, saccharin, or sucralose amongst other sweeteners. The problem is moderation. If you use to much of most artificial sweeteners you begin to get sneaky carbs. And, some of these other sweeteners do create a measurable insulin impact in SOME people.

Another consideration is soda is a chemical. Chemicals are processed by the body differently than water. They must be broken down and flushed out in our liver and kidneys differently. The impact to the kidneys from the metabolism of soda has been studied and it isn't favorable.

The biggest reason I see and have heard outside of the phosphoric acid issues is MODERATION. Many people will forfeit water in favor of a flavored drink. A little soda won't present a problem to how your body flushes toxins or metabolizes fat but a lot of soda, to the point you stop drinking or have too little free/available water, will create an issue.

Your body requires water to remove fat and toxins. The liver can not effectively process fat without the presence of water. There is a logical reason. When the kidneys do not have enough water the liver kicks in to help process toxins. Removal of toxins is a bodily function that takes priority over fat metabolism. Because the liver is the organ that both backs up the kidneys and processes fat, fat metabolism slows down. Having that soda actually gives your body a double whammy. It INCREASES toxins and DECREASES available water. The end result is an added load on the kidneys which, if they can't manage that load causes the liver to slow down metabolism.

Some people try to justify and ask "isn't soda made with water?" Sure, and there is water in vegetables too. The problem is it isn't "freely available". SODA is a chemical. It is several things bonded to water. It must be broken down to obtain the water. In the process of breaking it down our body is still using water so we never really get the full value of "water" from soda. Justify it all they like no one has yet been able to show me we get the same value of water from soda.

Water is one of those essential elements along with food and air. I think the reason the diet discourages other drinks including soda is the more "sweet" drinks tend to cause people to substitute away from water.


Here is an interesting overview about water, bodily function and colon health. http://www.colonhealth.net/free_reports/h2oartcl.htm


I hope that helps some!

Sounds like YOU are doing a great job and working hard to stay on the plan. You joined 3FatChix in June, but did you start IP then? Starting weight of 237 and today at 127 is absolutely phenomenal. :cp::cp::cp:

Ketosis is when your body starts burning the fat for its source of energy (which is the premise behind IP). When you hit ketosis you often get a bad or metallic taste in your mouth and sometimes you see a slightly different look to your urine. Since you are on day 4 you are probably already in ketosis or will be reaching it any time now. Your energy should start increasing now and headaches decreasing.

rox824, LOL! I seem to have a good weight loss week with a low inch loss week alternating with a good inch loss week with a lower weight loss week. As long as you see improvement yourself that is all that matters!!

FatnFunky, First, stop stressing. I think I slow my weight loss when I start overchecking and worrying about my losses. Let it happen as it happens. My TOM was messed up too the first month...badly, but things seem to be back on track the 2nd month. Estrogen is stored in your fat which is why TOM is getting screwed up. Hang in there and don't give up. Give it another week or two and be sure to discuss with your coach. They often have ideas on what is causing or what might boost you out of the lulls. Good luck and you are doing great. Don't let 2 slow weeks upset you...persevere!

Crystal88, Congrats on 20 lbs!!! I totally understand the arm thing. Mine are in a major jiggle phase at the moment but I'm trying to ignore it and look at the big losses everywhere else.

tbf410, I had this same moment/revelation last week. It is an awesome feeling, isn't it? Congrats!

salesgod, Here is a link to the post with it http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/3054810-post7.html I can scan my official IP copy and send it to you if you'd prefer.

Emma Jayne, The phosphates in soda prevent your body from absorbing calcium which is already strained while on IP which is why you have to take the calcium supplements. It also contains other chemicals that can eat away at your stomach and intestines causing stomach and intestinal irritation (and now that you are not ingesting all the fatty and carb-filled foods to buffer this some, you may feel the effects of what they are really doing to your body 10fold).

Hi there Ciebelle! According to the paperwork I was provided from my coach, cucumbers and celery and ok as well as rhubarb (if I'm not mistaken - I will check my paperwork tonight to make sure and let you know). I know that some people have added artificial sweetener to the rhubarb when they've prepared it. I also know that there are some clinics that alter the protocol and remove some item from the list of "okay foods". Make sure that you check with YOUR coach on what he/she permits. I have eaten cukes and celery almost every day since day one and I continue to lose.