[pattygirl63]

Carol Sue I agree DH doesn't need to give up anything but the sugar and maybe some of the carby foods that seems to raise bs. He doesn't eat fat because he doesn't like it but should eat a little more protein. I think the signal that shows he doesn't eat enough protein is that he is hungry all the time. So he mostly has to tweak his diet plan for the blood sugar since he does not need to lose weight.

I am going to give up on the IE group and left it today. Also left the calorie groups mainly because I don't have time. I am going to work at low carbing again although I really have no desire to give up milk if I don't have to. I have some ideas on how to do a better job of eating lower carb. I have to read the book some more and I also have some of the info on YouTube of Dr. Ekberg that I want to listen. I think the reason he sounds so much like Dr. Fung is that he is Swedish like that other low carb doctor we used to listen to who led us to Dr. Fung. Remember that doctor said they had decided in Sweden to stop using the Western form of diets and go with low carb and found that people were improving their health, etc. I think that doctor was an MD like Dr. Fung where Dr. Ekberg is a Chiropractor.

Weight coming back down and was 191. so I lost the .6 gain of yesterday. I am working on a fast today until 3 if I can, but starting to feel a little shaky so not sure I can. We are doing breakfast for our main meal today. I think I could do the semi-CAD plan and eat only low carb the other meals. I want to see more about what this book has to say. I don't want to do the newer WW because they only use white chicken and turkey meat and fish for their 0 pts foods. Eating only fish and chicken might be okay but on low carb, I like some beef and pork too. So I will probably do low carb most of the time with some carby meals once in a while. My goal is to lose the weight since my bs is doing pretty well too.

Edited: Just went on MFP and reset my goals for high protein, low carb and moderately low fat. I already have my fiber set at 21 grams. So the easiest way I know how to do this on MFP is to subtract the fiber from the total carbs of the day to get my net carbs which will be 76 net for today with calories at 1013, Will see how this works. I also plan to do this along with IF window of 8 hrs or less.

Hope to hear from Mad and Pipsicle today.

Have a good day.

[Wannabehealthy]

Trish, somewhere in the book I read where he said how much protein fat and carbs and mine calculated to 110 GM of protein, and for weight loss carbs and fat should be no more than half of that so 55 gm net carbs and fat. I don't intend to get that deep into it. I will increase protein and reduce carbs, for now. Wait til you see the exercise section! Not a chance! LOL

I had a McDonalds Sausage and egg mc muffin for breakfast. I know an English muffin is not an acceptable carb but it was my only carb all day. At noon I cooked some chicken legs for Rusty. I cut off the meat and put it in a container for him. Then I ate the meat still on the bones, so maybe equal to one chicken leg. I made steak, Brussels sprouts and mashed potatoes for DH and I ate steak and Brussels sprouts. I might track on MFP just to see what my macros were but I'm not going to count macros on a daily basis. I ate just meat eggs fish and veggies in the past and lost weight and had good labs, so I'll do that now.

Trish, you could use your protein shakes to increase your protein, too if you still buy them. I wonder if your DH would do IF. I know my DH would NOT. He thinks you'll die if you miss a meal! LOL. However, he ate very little when he was in the hospital and rehab and he lost 28 lbs but has since regained. Mostly he would eat any fruit, applesauce etc that they gave him but not much else. But he eats something every night before bed.

[Pipsicle]

I am still working on stopping the upward trend. I had an unexpected NSV this weekend. I went skiing this weekend and for the first time in the probably five years I have owned them, I was able to fully snap and comfortably wear my ski pants. I have always been able to snap them standing up but could never sit in them when they were snapped at the waist. This weekend I could do both. The pants are made of a stiff synthetic material that does not stretch at all. It is so weird because my regular pants have been feeling tighter.

[pattygirl63]

Carol Sue You always ate less carb than me. For a while I will probably do the semi-CAD carb meal and low carb for the others. My eating window was longer (9 hrs) because I got hungry but I my low carb eating are little snacks of protein and no starch veggies. Plus I always get hungry more after eating breakfast for our main meal for some reason. However, I did good so I'm happy with it.

Pipsicle That is great that you got to go skiing. That and ice skating are things I've never had the opportunity to do living in the south. How exciting to be able to wear those pants too.

[Wannabehealthy]

Pipsicle, great on wearing the ski pants and being able to sit in them! Keep trying with the weight. Weight loss is very hard. Our bodies don't want to let go. But we can win as long as we don't give up.

Well, my weight loss held and went down another .6. I have already started the low carb flu. I don't remember it being this bad before. I wasn't hungry, but my body wanted sugar, specificly chocolate, the fun size Kit Kat DH has. But I didn't want to break my fast or eat sugar, or anything else. It was hard but I made it. I have a headache this morning but black coffee is helping. I feel good that I survived without giving in.

DH had bad shoulder pain last night so I guess mashed potatoes aren't ok. We are going to try red potatoes.

It is going to be harder to stay low carb today. I had scrambled eggs for breakfast. DH put a half slice of toast on my plate and I ate it and enjoyed it. If it had been my zero net carb bread I would not have been concerned. Sometimes he will give it to me and other times he gives me regular. I know it is up to me to not eat it but you can't put something I like in front of me and expect me to not eat it. I'm lucky it was only half. Then I ate an avocado that was getting too ripe. At least that gave me some fiber. I feel full, as if I overate, but I think it was ok since it was lower carb. I mainly want to avoid sugar. I don't know how the rest of the day will go. I think we are eating out for dinner and that could be bad depending on what I choose. I want to have a,salad for lunch but it depends on what DH has planned for the day. He's the boss.

I had lunch already. A chicken leg and a big salad. So I'm not hungry, but my body is screaming for carbs. It was never this hard in the past.

DH made pasta and sauce for his lunch. I picked up a forkful and put it in my mouth, but before even chewing, I spit it into the sink. It is not worth it to screw this up. I'll get through it somehow.

[pattygirl63]

Carol Sue It is good to know you can get the scale moving again. It is work but we will do it. I gave into eating 2 slices of sandwich type meat that DH had bought since it is protein and thank God it didn't hurt my loss today but it broke my fast. So I know what you mean. I have to start planning better when we have eggs for our main meal on Sunday because I definitely want to get my 20 hr fasts again. I which I won't get today. When we have done this for a while correctly a slip like that once in a while won't be disastrous like it can be while trying to get to that point.

I don't think the avocado is a bad thing. It is a healthy fat and I am seeing it considered a fruit on some low carb/keto plans. I think it is good to have them because the fat curbs the appetite. I want to start buying them again from Walmart because they are smaller. In SC I ate one a day and had no problem with weight loss. I've been using some diet margarine when I was WW but after listening to Dr. Edberg on fats, I ate real butter on my MGSL toast yesterday. Avocado is also good to use on toast in place of butter and much healthier.

My weight this morning was back down to 188.6 so not eating until 3ish each day obviously is key to my weight loss as well as eating low carb snacks rather than low carb meals and eating all my carbs at 3ish. So I will continue this woe at least until I use up the carby foods that we have recently bought. I would love to eventually do ketoish to lose weight but may find that eating this way with a shorter eating window is what works best for me. My fasts aren't true fasts because I start my day off will coffee with SF creamer and Stevia somewhere between 9:30 and 10:30 am most days. so my fast is just a liquid fast in the morning instead of breakfast. If I can stick to my rule of 3:30 pm to 7:30 pm eating window, I will still get a good 4 hr eating window and 20 hr fast with 14 hrs of that being a clean fast.

I watched another Dr. Ekberg video on sweeteners that was very interesting. I am happy to know that my Stevia is one of the ones that gets a green light all across the board. There are 4 that get the green light Monkfruit, Chicory Root and another one I didn't know of which I've never used. These don't have any toxicity. He spoke about a lot of them. Liquid Stevia is best from the 500 serving brand but I don't know where you to get it. I have a liquid I get at the local store that isn't easy to use and changes the taste of thinks. I noticed that there is a difference in the one Stevia I get at Walmart and local as to how it mixes in liquid. The one from the local store mixes better so I think it is how it is mixed because Walmart brand has <1 carb where as the local store brand has 0. There are others that work but these 4 on his list were the best to choose from because of either how it is made or what it is added to it to make it toxic etc. and how it affects keto, glucose, IR, BIOME and toxicity. A lot of good information.

Carol Sue In an IE video I watched it was mentioned eating pasta made from vegetables like spinach and I think I've seen one recently made from lentils. I'm thinking of getting something like that to eat with my spaghetti sauce next time instead of the multigrain.

Cod fish on the menu today. I am going to bake it in lemon butter and add salad and veggies to it. I have been hungry for chocolate lately so I keep a little package of Dark Chocolate Dove candy pieces in the freezer. Four is a serving and some days I may have 2 of them. One thing I learned on WW is that I don't have to eat a whole serving of anything. I can eat enough to satisfy the taste. I also have 1 Fiber One with a cup of coffee for dessert at this time because it is high in fiber and keeps me regulated and signals that I am finished eating. This being my semi-cad meal also is when I can have my milk. Around 7, I will have a small low carb meal or snack.

Since I have to plan this to keep my IF ratio, there is no way I can do IE woe. Carol Sue you and I are not only doing this to lose weight but to control blood sugar along with avoiding diseases because of our ages. I think we are both on the right track. Hopefully your hunger for sugar will go away.

Have a good day everybody.

[Wannabehealthy]

I forgot to mention that yesterday I did not check my blood sugar because not eating any carbs after that English muffin in the morning I figured it would go down. I took 1 Metformin and no G. At bedtime my blood sugar was 102. I was so excited. If I can continue to eat low-carb I might be able to stop G. I will not tell my doctor though because I want to continue taking my G if I need it. This morning FBG was 130 due to DP so I took 1/2 with breakfast.

I want to eat an avocado twice a week. They are healthy but if I eat them too often I get sick of them.

Today we went out to the new local casino because they gave us $60 free play every week until 5/1. I lost mine but DH came home with $175. So free money! On the way home we ate at Texas Roadhouse. I had salmon again. I'm not tired of it yet. I had mushrooms and green beans, no potato and no rolls. That was hard but every day it should get easier. My body still wants sugar but not as bad as yesterday. We stopped at the grocery store and I got some deli turkey so I can have a turkey roll up if I need something.

Trish, its ok if you don't get a 20 hour fast every day and probably better to vary it. Dr Naiman said if you are doing IF especially with a short eating window you can get away with more carbs. I will probably not stay as low carb as I'm eating now but I want to do it long enough to get a decent drop into the 180s and a solid good start. I know if I keep this up eventually my body will stop craving sugar. I had a 16 HR fast overnight and 18 the night before. I know if I give in and eat sugar/carbs I will have to start over at day 1.

[pattygirl63]

Carol Sue That is great news not having to take the G. In time even the FBG will be better. Dr. Ekberg talks about how it is slow but it does come down with low carb. Is the new casino closer to y'all. I think I remember you saying it was.

I think of myself eating a longer window because of eating when I get hungry at night but I just realized that I still only ate within 7 hrs so that isn't bad. I guess I did better than I thought. I think I will have to throw out the few Fiber One bars that I have because I think whatever sugar substitute is a sugar alcohol and it gives me potty issues. I really want to start phasing out some of the carby foods that I eat as well as start making better choices for my second meal. Being it is low carb, I think I'm not eating enough of a good quality protein. I drank a Premium shake tonight and still wanted a slice of ham with cheese. Maybe I need the protein, I don't know. Probably need to do a 2 week Aktins Induction but my baby sister will be coming in Sunday and I don't want to be feeling like crap while she is here. She is the one who does Keto/Low carb.

Carol Sue Dr. Ekberg says not to eat the same # of IF ratio all the time. He says it is good to shake it up instead of using the same everyday. He says our body figures out what we are doing and gets comfortable and we may not do as well as we would if we mixed it up once in a while. I watched today about cortisol and how the exercise we've been taught to do causes more cortisol. I remember Dr. Agastaton in his second South Beach Diet book said to do fast, slow alternate speed was better now I understand why. In fact, this doc explains so much easier for me to understand Keto and LCHF better and how and why it works. He also seems to think it is good to do keto but not all the time. I'm not sure if that is because the body does adjust so much or what. Keto seems to be more for getting things under control and then move into LCHF as they both will help with weight loss and health.

Did you see where the guy who started Texas Roadhouse killed himself. Seems that besides the struggle of the business during the pandemic, he recently had covid symptoms. I hope it doesn't change the quality of their business doesn't change. Sometimes when kids inherit a business things change.

[Wannabehealthy]

Trish, when we were at Texas Roadhouse they had table set up with a memorial for him. I think the business will be just fine. I don't know that his children were involved.

My weight is up .2. I think I know why. I tracked my food yesterday. I only had 38 gm of carb but I overate in an effort to up my protein to 110 GM like Dr Naiman said and as a result that I also ended up with too much fat. He says it should be half of protein. So now I think I need to find a way to maximize protein without increasing fat. Or maybe I don't need 110 GM of protein. I ate a couple slices of deli turkey and that increased protein and fat but it also took away my craving for sweets so that's good. I just need to find a balance. I know of people who gain on Keto. I am satisfied with 192.4 and I think I learned some things. Dr Naiman says not to do high fat if you want to lose body fat so I want to eat lean protein and not eat extra fat. So I guess I'm doing LCLF.

I just looked up the nutrition in an avocado. I am not going to buy them for a while. I know the fat is healthy fat but the carbs are also high. I want to eat more lower carb veggies that don't have that much fat at least until I get going with this.

I think having your other sister near you will help you. She will be a good influence on you.

[fatmad]

Hi friends: no have not been doing well. More difficulty sleeping, and not eating well. I got up to being a beast: 166.6
I finally managed a fast yesterday. I asked DH to eat his supper in the dining room while I was in the living room.
Today I am down 2 pounds to 164.6
I plan to eat Keto today and on my eating days. I have only made a plan for 4 days, fast again tomorrow and eat again on Thursday. I will then make a plan with DH for the weekend.
I am a little dopey this morning, took a bit of an old prescription to help me sleep, and it did. I know I stopped it because it did not seem to work.
But something sure worked last night. I slept about 9 hours, which I have not done in ages.

Pipsicle: glad for the NSV, wonder why? Have you built up some muscle and lost a bit of fat? good for you.

Glad people are ok overall; now the good weather is coming, my knee is better and more time outside. Hope the same for everyone

[Wannabehealthy]

Mad I am so glad to hear from you. We were worried. I'm glad you finally got some good sleep. Hope it continues. I have no doubt that you will get your weight under control.

Trish, I didn't answer your question about the new casino. It is 20 minutes away and the others are an hour away or an hour and a half away. We rarely go to the one an hour and a half away . The new casino is small, in a closed department store at the mall. I used to shop there. As I walk thru I can say, this used to be the shoe department, this was jewelry, and the restrooms are in the same place they were in the department store, probably because of the plumbing. They still have the door leading to the mall so I could leave and go to J C Penneys or eat at the food court.

I was surprised to see that I had 1700+ calories yesterday! think I'm doing better today but I ate the last avocado so that's raising carbs and fat. I had scrambled eggs with the avocado and for lunch a salad with a slice of turkey chopped in. When I eat turkey I usually have a slice of Swiss cheese with it but I'm now omitting that. I know of a lot of people whose weight loss stalls with cheese and its not really a favorite for me. I'm making pork and sauerkraut for dinner with grilled asparagus. I have no cravings for sugar/candy today so that only lasted 2 days. No headache either. Hoping for a drop tomorrow.

I was thinking of getting something like the fiber one bars for fiber but I don't want anything that will lead to potty issues. Maybe my veggies will give me enough fiber.

[pattygirl63]

Mad So good to hear from you. Glad you got a good nights sleep. This doctor I've been listening to speaks of keto for weight loss. He seems to think a lot like Dr. Fung. Remember Dr. Fung talked about not doing the same thing all the time and this doc explains a lot about why we have to shake things up even when fasting because of how our bodies adapt so easily to new routines. Also I'm glad to hear that your knee is better with the warm weather because your walks helped you a lot. It won't be long until you will get everything under control and the scales moving lower.

Carol Sue Sounds the new casino could be a good thing for you and DH especially if y'all start winning and the coupons are good too. This way you can go and walk around the mall some and still play which your Hubby seems to like for you to do. Maybe you can find an eating place where you can even eat OP. I used to do that some when DH and I would go to the mall in SC even if it was a carb meal.

I want to listen to some more of Dr. Ekberg's videos to see if he tells what are the best fiber foods on keto/LCHF woe. I definitely want to get away from the sugar alcohols. I actually like ice cream when the weather gets warm and will just have to make them. I want to go more low carb and when BS leaves to go back home to get her stuff to move back here, I think I will move into a 2 week keto woe to see how I will do. I even thought of reading some of the 2nd SBD book and do Dr. Agatson's 2 week intro to SBD. I think that taking taking SBD and using that plan with good fats in place of some of the bad fats people eat too much of in Atkins sometimes would be a great way of doing LCHF plan. I know when I originally did SBD that I didn't agree with the no fat plan because I liked my bacon etc which I could have on Atkins so I just ate my bacon and added things like avocado so that I could eat some of the better fats. Then when we went out to eat where I couldn't control all of that I would have a CAD reward meal with carbs within 60 minutes rule. It worked and I was losing weight. The other thing I like about SBD is I didn't have to give up milk and no counting calories or carbs.

Weight back down to 187.? I was so shocked to see the 187 that I forgot if it was .6 or .4 so counted it as 187.6 on my record sheet. FBG has been 108 for 2 days and bp is good. I got a new bp monitor it tells me my readings and then tells me my bp is normal. LOL Can you believe this?

Pork chops are on the menu today with a salad and after you mentioning sauerkraut, I 've decided that we will have that for our veggie. I will finish my meal with yogurt and blueberries for my dessert. Since I drink milk, I will continue using it but after this doctor explained that the higher the fat in milk the lower the sugar, I will switch to whole milk when I run out of my 0% fat. I guess that is why that Muslim said to drink whole milk if you are just drinking it once a day. I thought that was interesting to learn. When I run out of my store bought yogurt, I will go back to making my own.

Have a blessed day everybody.

[Wannabehealthy]

Trish, I think its funny that we both had pork for dinner. DH gets boneless loin chops and I had boneless country ribs. I prefer the bone in, but this was what they had.

We will only go to this new casino when we have free play. Most of the machines don't pay out. DH just got lucky. The mall isn't very crowded anymore. Sears closed and some of the smaller stores. There used to be 2 sit down restaurants but they closed, too, plus McDonalds in the food court. I think the pandemic was really bad for the mall.

[pattygirl63]

I had a wonderful eating day with a 5 hr eating window. I am eating less than 100 g of carbs each day but at today my net carbs were 71 g. Calorie count was 1200. So I call this a good day with protein being a higher 35% of calories, carbs were 28% and and the rest was fat making today a LCHF day. So I very pleased with my eating day. I did eat the Fiber One but since it is a high protein bar with high fiber, I decided to try eating it with the low carb meal and no potty issues. So it looks like I just can't eat all my fiber with one meal. Plus the total fiber was only 15 grams so maybe I can't eat high fiber like I was trying to do. As long as this works that is all I care about. I will continue with the 5 hr eating window for a while before I switch things up. I think in order not to let my body adjust to this way, I will figure out a way to shake this up after a few weeks and go to a different eating window.

Carol Sue I learned today that DH only likes kraut with franks. I actually enjoyed having it with the pork so on days we have pork, I will cook him some other veggie while I have kraut.

We used to go to the mall in SC, but we haven't been to the big enclosed one here. Not much there any more since Sears closed and I don't think we even have a Penneys here any more. That is something we need to do when people start going out more. I'm still not planning on getting out a lot until April because some say you should wait 2 weeks after vaccine shot. I use to love window shopping and hope DH and I can do that again.

I watched a video of Dr. Ekberg on the best vegetables to eat on keto. I found it very interesting. With the potassium in avocado, he says you could eat 2 and get half your daily potassium. I have heard it has more potassium than a banana. I ate one a day in SC and wondered if that was good. So I will begin doing that again too. I look forward to easing back into eating keto in the future.

[Wannabehealthy]

Well my weight is up again! I might as well go back to including bread and chocolate! I always lost on low carb before. It could have been the,sodium in the sauerkraut, but I was so psyched that this was going well but its not.