Diabetes and Prediabetes chat Spring 2019

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  • In spite of yesterdays chipped beef, my weight was back down to 213.8 this morning and my FBG was 138 before BPC. So thankful for the little bit of coconut oil and the 1 T MCT oil BPC that I drink 2x a day because I think it is making a difference. I'm doing all this with diet, exercise and my vitamin supplements no meds. I'm finding the yogurt with fruit that I eat along with the last BPC around 8 pm is very helpful snack to keep me from snacking all night. Baby sister was looking for chips yesterday and I walked past them and didn't even have the desire to look at them. In fact, we still have a lot of chips in a box in our pantry that neither of us touch any more. I'm sure we will eventually have to throw them out because they will become stale.

    Carol Sue DH hasn't taken his G in about 2 months now and no problem. He gets upset when his FBG goes to 170s but I remind him that until his body adjusts that he will have swings up as mine does to. However, my fasting doesn't swing too high any more. A high FBG is usually in the 140s now. Then I remind him that at least he isn't getting readings in the 200s any more and that is a blessing that he needs to be thankful for. I have to say that I honestly remember feeling exactly like he does because I didn't have anyone to tell me what was happening. I think this is where checking BS readings before and after meals helps us understand this better. We have finally learned that we are missing our lowest reading because we are asleep. I am relieved to know that. I am also excited to know that I can control the daily readings by what I eat as well.

    BBL
  • Trish, I agree your DH should be very happy his is no longer taking the G. I understand it may be necessary for some people, but I feel that if they would change their diet it wouldn't be needed. I don't take as much as your DH was taking, but I have been taking it for several years now and I am still able to get good blood sugar readings if I watch my diet. It's very hard to give up carbs, but the benefit is worth it for health and quality of life. That's my new mantra..."I'm doing this to improve my health and quality of life." I could have had this years and years ago if I had did things differently, but it's never to late to change.

    Good for you for coming back down to 213. This is your new range. You will bounce up, but you will also bounce back down. That's how weight loss goes. Your bouncing much lower than you did before. You are finding the health benefits of making this change.
  • Sorry I stopped in the middle of previous post because of phone call with Baby sister. She is such an inspiration to me and my eating. It was strange that she told me yesterday that I was an inspiration to her because she said she knew all the heartaches and hard times I'd gone through and I had come through it strong. She said it helps her. We talked about the strong women who had lived before us and that had let me know that God got them through and I knew He would do the same for me.

    Today I told her that I am so glad she is back here because she inspires me to eat heathy. She seemed excited when I told her that I need her in my life. Although she is 11 yrs younger than me, she and I were always so close until I married DH and moved to FL. We are going to plan a Keto meal and have DS and BIL over and see if we can get them interested in eating this way. Her DIL has lost 18 lbs in 2 weeks and she was making a keto pancake and an egg for baby sister's breakfast. What fun it is to have them eating the same way. I hope we can get DS to eat this way too.

    Carol Sue I love knowing what I'm doing is healthy. I checked my bs 1 hr after BPC and it was down to 124. The guy on YouTube said that some people can bring their FBG down by eating something. It seems that my BPC with MCTO brings mine down. He also stressed checking your salad dressing etc to be sure the carbs are lower. I checked my salad dressing yesterday and both DH and mine are only 2 g for 2 T. So we are good on that. I love knowing that checking bs more often helps me get into more control of my bs.

    fatmad The chipped beef is sold by Stoffeurs and is in a white gravy. The military calls it SOS. DH loves it on biscuits. We buy the little 5 count of biscuits and we always half everything. I used to eat 2 and 1/2 biscuits and he ate the other half and the package of chipped beef is one serving that we halve. However yesterday I used 2 biscuits and used only 1/2 c of the chipped gravy and we always have it with a salad. Instead of using my ranch dressing, I used EVOO and ACV. I can't even imagine how high my bs reading would have been an hour later if I had not cut back some. I'm sure the culprit was the biscuits so I could either put it on the 45 calorie Multigrain bread or even substitute spiral veggies for the bread. I was wrong about the 210 it was 217. Either way it was too high and I will not be eating regular biscuits again. I am so thankful that I didn't eat the Cracker Barrel biscuits yesterday morning and that is quite an accomplishment in itself so all wasn't lost.




  • Trish if you are interested you could make the beef lower carb. You can buy dried beef in a jar by Hormel or Armour. In the spice aisle you can get the packets of gravy mix and they have white country gravy. I think the biscuits are a southern thing because up north it is served over toast and you could use the Sara Lee 45 bread. Even if you don't eat it you could make it for DH.

    We went to Tx Roadhouse. I got ribs, baked sweet potato and green beans. I ate the meat from 2 ribs, 5 bites of sweet potato and half the green beans. No roll. Then we went shopping I took 1/2 G. Maybe I shouldn't have because when I came home I tested at 105. Maybe I need to cut them in fourths. But I am proud that I was able to order what I really wanted and only eat a small amount. I can remember getting a half slab and eating it all. If I can keep this up I should be back in the 170 s soon.

    I used to go on a diabetes board and this one woman used to keep beef jerky on her nightstand and eat a piece as soon as she woke up and she said it stopped DP. Who knows.
  • Carol: eating anything will bring down the high glucose from Dawn Phenomenon; eating triggers release of insulin, which will bring down the blood sugar.
    BUT: according to Fung's theories, we can get rid of excess glucose this way.
    However, that's good only if we are eating (or sometimes not eating) in other ways that reduce glucose and glycogen storage, like LCHF, IF etc.

    So if you are sticking to plan 90+ % of the time, dumping glucose will do you good most of the time. If you are eating "normally" more than say once every 10 days (3 MAD, snacking, carbs in the diet) then you should think of it as a symptom of high blood sugar caused by the diet, and take the meds. Taking diabetes meds DOES generally help prevent the negative side effects of diabetes, and let's remember what they are:
    (I am saying this for my own sake, have been off plan this weekend again)
    damage to small blood vessels, which means
    -blindness caused by retinal issues
    -kidney failure
    -nerve damage, including the kind that causes foot pain
    -poor circulation to the feet and lower legs, resulting in gangrene, resulting in loosing feet and other parts of the lower limbs.

    These are NOT pretty things, and they happen slowly, but if you have friends and relations who have suffered through these results of diabetes, they are truly awful.

    We are doing far more than treating high blood sugars, we are fighting for healthy longer lives. This is why I went on metformin, when conventional wisdom was that I did not need it, YET. But that helped me keep my sugars from getting a lot worse, I didn't gain much weight (didn't lose much in spite of trying) and I hope prevented too much damage from the higher sugars. Now that I have found the key to my weight loss, I don't plan to stop being vigilant.

    I hope to fast more this week again. Had lots of treats yesterday, today will stick to LCHF and then fast Monday. It would be harder to fast today after treats yesterday, higher carb days make fasting MUCH harder for me.

    Best wishes to both of you to stick to the WOE that is now working for you so well!

    Hello to our other friends, and hope to hear from y'all soon.
  • Success this am. DH, who recently told me that eggs could be causing my problems, cooked eggs without asking me if I wanted them. He asked me if I wanted bread with my eggs and I told him I didn't want the eggs. He said that's ok the dog will eat them. But they are sitting out there on a plate. I truly do not want them or anything else besides black coffee. "I am doing this to improve my health and quality of life.". I have no idea how long I can sustain this healthy pattern. I am doing it just for today.

    Mad there were periods of time when my eating was out of control. Months, when I did not test at all. I suspect that I already have irreversible damage. My stupidity. That doesn't mean I have to continue down that path.
  • fatmad Thanks for the reminders of why we treat ourselves the way we do. I know what I do 90+% of the time. This reminds me why I want it to be my priority. I am slowly learning by the post checking that there are certain things that I must eliminate those foods from my eating plan. I've been eating regular crackers again and that white flour shoots my post reading too high. I like knowing what I am or am not doing and why.

    I also found a site I had saved on Leptin dieting and the site recommends Intermittent Fasting along with LCHF diet and 3 meals no snacks each day.. However, it says that breakfast is important. They say it a higher protein with fat for breakfast, then eat a little less protein for lunch and then eat only veggies for the 3rd meal which is better to eat before 5 or 6 but at least 3 hrs before going to bed. It suggest fasting at least 12 hrs and working up to a 8:16 IF ratio. However, it calls for a lot of fiber which it doesn't really describe however it does allow some foods which is not allowed on keto but doesn't allow the fruit that is allowed on some keto plans. So interesting info but not sure what I will take from it except that the article does stress that it is better to eat the bulk of your food at breakfast because you can use the fuel f rom that meal throughout the day. Then by eating less as the day goes forward you need less and can eat less and the body won't have to spend its time digesting food while sleeping. I know I like having practically nothing in my evening meal which is usually more of snack than a meal.

    I've had too much processed foods the past few days. I should never do that 2 days in a row. I wasn't in the mood for fish yesterday and blood sugar had dropped not too low but too fast and my resistance was low so I made us a salad and a pizza using the whole wheat ultra thin ready made dough. However, I did put a lot of veggies on mine as I always do. My weight is up a 2 lbs but that is just water weight due to the sodium in the organic pizza sauce that I use and will come back down today. I expect better readings tomorrow. FBG was 145, but that is because I missed the lower reading and DP was in progress. I checked it again just before drinking BPCMO and it had come up to 150. I think I really shouldn't even check it at that time of day any more.

    DH wants to go to Harbor Freight today to get some outdoor solar lights that are on sale. We had them in SC and I hope they work better here than they did t here. I am so proud of him as he is so very busy getting his part of things cleaned up around here and throwing out things he doesn't need. Trash can is full so I will start working on mine tomorrow or Tuesday. I want to go through things and throw out what I don't want too. Then I want to get the room that was supposed to be our office re-arranged so that the guest bedroom will be exactly that. DD says she is coming to spend a week this summer so I will be ready for her as well as DH SIL from previous marriage. Plus when we have family gatherings, I noticed that my nieces like to congregate in the guest bedroom with their kids and lay on the bed and talk. I will be able to have more room for their sessions as well.

    I had a place in the utility/pantry room where a bottle of Tide leaked all over the floor between dryer and wall with no room to get there to clean it up. I noticed this morning that he worked on cleaning that up after I went to bed. It is funny how he doesn't care about a lot of stuff with my family, but when any of his 1st wife's family ever came around, he would get busy and make things just so so. I'm not sure what that is. My family doesn't care about all that stuff and I guess he thinks his previous in-laws do. I like things clean, but more informal. I love my family being able to come and visit and feel at home. I used to keep a perfect house because of my child care business when DH#2 was living, but we also lived in my house. I remember coming home from his brother's house one time and he said that he hated going over to their house because his SIL kept her house too clean. He said she kept it so clean he didn't know whether to use the ashtray or not. Of course that was silly since we all smoked back then. However, the funny thing I learned about her when I helped her pack to move one time was that she really wasn't all that clean. She just made it look like her house was that clean. LOL I'm sad to say that these days, I keep my house clean enough to be healthy and comfortable. I let some things go too long these day but that is because it is just us. Plus I'm older.

    I hope everyone has a pleasant Sunday.
  • Trish back in the 80s when I lived alone i didn't know anything about dieting. I did my own thing. My thinking was to eat breakfast and lunch because I would burn it off. But no dinner as I was less active in the evening. It worked for me then and now.

    Do you remember a couple years ago when I wanted the one level house that was for sale up the street.. Well it is for sale again and I went through the open house today. Now I want it more than ever. It is priced $50k more than they paid but it looks completely redone. DH would never go for it so it is just a dream if it is meant to be it will happen somehow.

    I did not eat until 5pm today and felt I could continue on. But I ate a leftover rib and scoop of sweet potato and green beans. No G. I don't think I need it and don't want to have to eat tonight. DH bought those donuts I like. Not gonna happen. My old thinking would have been thar I didn't eat all day so the donut would be ok. Not today.

    Tornado warnings for Ohio but not us.
  • Carol Sue I pray your DH will change his mind about the house. It would be so much easier for both of you to have the one level house. I used to eat the same way you did. I just hate that I ever allowed people to convince me that I had to eat 3 meals then 3 meals and snacks. I told DS the other day that I thought I was going to go back to eating the way I used to eat. When I lived in SC, I learned to eat foods with a purpose. Oatmeal was for lower cholesterol and berries were for healthy cleared arteries etc. I only ate foods that had a healthy purpose. Very little was eaten for pleasure back then and I was much healthier.

    DH decided on the way home to get LJS fish. He wanted that or McD CB. I know he will won't a burger tomorrow when we come home from seeing Daddy. He got mad at me in the store and I guess he is mad at me even now. We haven't had one of these arguments in a long time. It made me mad at first but then I realized that his bs was probably dipping. I had decided to eat some yogurt with a few blueberries before we left so that I wouldn't get one of those dips while out. Any way I didn't want to argue with him about food so we got the fish. When he asked we what I wanted I reminded him that he still had some KFC cole slaw to go with his fish. I had bought some organic celery at the store so I ate my fish fillet and 3 shrimp along with what I call a finger salad of sliced tomatoes, radishes and celery. I hope the 3 stalks of celery helps offset some of the sodium. I also had a few pecans and serving of the diet ice cream I made for dessert. I decided to save my veggies for a snack later if I need it. If I don't need it, I won't eat anything. Since we are going to see Daddy tomorrow, I think I will eat eggs in the morning. I definitely want to do a lower carb woe. I plan to make a new batch of yogurt later because BS wants to try some and I would like to share a better batch with her.

    I talked to Daddy. He doesn't say much, just that he is just setting there watching tv. I feel bad for him and I really don't want to go down the path he has if I can stop it. I told him that BS is coming with us to see him tomorrow. He loves seeing her.

  • Trish I know that house would be perfect for DH and I. But he is a very private person and the yard of the house behind it is right there. Both yards .are very small. That would not
    bother me but it would him. Our yard is small but there is a hill behind it. No neighbor. I could sit out there naked if I wanted to.. What a sight that would be. Lol

    I can only pray that if if it's meant to be it will be. My life will unfold the way it is supposed to. It is almost impossible to find a home with no basement In this area. It was previously used as a group home for invalids but they had to leave because it is zoned for single family. So it has a handicap bathroom and is wheelchair accessible. These people bought it and updated it. I really want it. There is not 1 thing I don't like about it. What will be will be. I have no way to make this happen.

    Im sorry your dad is sad. This is the downside of living a long life. It is out of our hands. I was texting with my stepdaughter today. She does not understand that her dad and I are not able to do what we used to do. She said she is getting old too. She is 50. I told her just wait. She is in her own little world.

    No one is responding to my dil for Easter. I feel bad. That is so rude. She doesn't know how much food to make. If no one comes but us they will probably never host again. I don't want the responsibility.



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  • Things this week headed in the right direction (better numbers). Weight still hasn't dropped below ticker -perhaps next week. I've been really trying to plan at least one day ahead. I've had a couple of meals that fit in my plan and were suppose a bit of a treat that were just bad (food was cold, tasted bland). I was really disappointed.

    I tried to go ice skating again but the rink is closed for a full month for refurbishing. There are other rinks in the area but this one was on my way home for work. In addition, it is the least crowded. Yesterday was a big day for my daughter. She competed in the state meet for gymnastics and qualified for the regional competition! She also had a car entered in a pinewood derby. It did well too but she didn't get to watch it because of gymnastics.

    In it for another week. Hope all is well for everyone!
  • Hi all: Pipsicle, glad for the check in, and Hurray for the numbers budging a bit. Its hard, but worth it.

    Carol: hope things work for the move, and so please for you being able to stick to your guns about how you eat.
    I think a lot of the research about breakfast being good is done in regards to a SAD for weight loss and not IF. But IF can be done with breakfast and late lunch, or brunch and early supper. I think lots of IF folks do supper more to eat with family and have the social side of eating. Especially if we fast, there may only be a few days to eat together so they make the most of it. It would be interesting for an IF study to be done to see if time of day makes a difference.

    Trish: keep on doing what is working for you! its going better than ever for you.

    For me I am 152.5 today, I ate 2MAD for 3 days in a row, and had carbs and other treats. Fasting today, hope to extend it a little. Maybe a two day fast?
    DH and I worked on getting paperwork ready for taxes this weekend. I am ready for my stuff to go to the accountant. DH has his together too.
    Dads stuff tonight. So close to done!
  • Hi Pipsicle! So glad things are improving for you. You are doing a good job of hanging in there and giving it a chance to work. Congratulations to dd on her gymnastic accomplishments. It is so good for kids to have something physical like that. I did nothing physical as a kid.

    Wt was 181. Pushing for 179 by Easter. Hope I don't screw this up. Blood sugar was 85 overnight but no worries because I did not take G. This is another reason why it's best for me to have my eating earlier in the day. Breakfast food is my favorite. Its easier for me to give up dinner food. I can look at a restaurant menu and nothing appeals to me. So was 106. I did get the DP but it was still in a good range. The later in the day I eat the higher my fasting number. It is what works best for me. I'm just weird I guess.

    Moving is off the table without a miracle. I thought of a downside about the house. The beautiful screened in porch means I would have to go outside in 10 degree weather at 5 am to let the dog out. Here, I just open the door and out he goes. That is a big factor for me. Guess I better get cracking with my leg exercises so I can stay here.
  • Pipsicle Congratulations on the better numbers and DD gymnastics accomplishments. I think one of my problems when I got out of school was that the activity switched to sitting in a typing pool all day with very little activity plus living with my aunt and going from 1 or 2 meals a day to 3 + snacks and cold drinks when we went out. Hopefully she will learn from your new way of eating to keep her diet and exercise working for her. So glad things are going in the right direction for you. Just look at what you have accomplished and use those as successful building blocks as you work toward success. Have a great week.

    fatmad My goal this week is to stay LCHF and within at least 7 or 8 hr eating window with a few shorter eating windows thrown in there. I am going to work on getting my exercise going too.

    Carol Sue I guess if you can't move it is a good thing to start seeing the negative things about it. I have a tendency to do that as well. Congratulations with the lower bs readings without having to take G. After reading about how the Leptin hormone works and affects weight loss as well as bs, I tried eating a bowl of veggies last night about 4 hrs before I went to bed... they say 3 hrs minimum and my FBS was 132 this morning in spite of the fried fish from LJS yesterday. So there just might be something about eating more veggies. I'm not sure about the weight as it was down .4 lbs but I weighed earlier and scale is bouncing a lot which means that I need to change the batteries. So I'm not putting much stock in that reading right now.

    I had to be up by 8 am so that pest control could come spray around our house. They never have to come in but she knows that I like to give her a check when she finishes. I forgot about her coming last week and missed her. I told her that they had actually sent me an email bill in the past and I had mailed them a check so I told her that she could do it that way if I ever missed her again. She has to drive 32 miles to come spray our house so there s no need for her to have to come back. Any way I had to get up much earlier than I wanted to since I woke up around 4 am and had to come in and see if DH had remembered to check the yogurt at 3:30 and put it away. Thank goodness he had it all put away and cleaned up. I checked one of them and it looks beautiful so we now know how to make homemade healthy probiotic/prebiotic yogurt. I am thrilled.

    Since we won't be eating on time today, this is a good day to go back to eating brunch around 10:30ish and then if DH decides that he wants a cheeseburger from McDs I will come home and make a salad and break the double cheese burger in to it and throw the bun down the garbage disposal. I will have a serving of yogurt for my dessert with a few pecans in it. Then if I need some veggies later I will have that again tonight although I would really like to get used to doing just 2MAD without any night time eating.

    I am so sleepy but I think I'm going to go exercise on the bike before I have my eggs and bacon. I might just try doing 10 minutes on the bike and there will be walking at the nursing home and then I can do another 10 minutes of something else and still get 30 minutes of exercise today.

    Hope everyone has a great OP day.
  • Sounds like a good plan, Trish. I had an avocado that was getting ripe so I ate that this morning. I have been buying one every few days and letting it ripen but I forgot to buy one this week. They are usually hard as rocks when I buy them and they take a few days to get ripe. I would like to buy the bag of small ones from Aldi's but they would all get ripe around the same time and if I eat one every day I get tired of them. I don't know what we are having for dinner. I would like to make chili but DH isn't crazy about my chili. He likes CANNED!! Yuk!

    Today I am wearing an outfit that I got in the 1990s. I only got to wear it a couple times before it got too tight. I kept it, because it is basic and I don't think it's noticeably out of style. It fits perfect. I keep looking in the mirror because I can't believe I can fit into it. I am down 19 lbs from when I was 200 and 12 lbs from when DH went into the hospital, but I can't see it. Wearing this outfit proves it's true. I have another similar outfit from around the same time. I will have to get it out and see how it fits. I hate to spend money on new things when I can shop in my closet.